Reopen the railways

Started by Eamonnca1, July 27, 2023, 04:31:15 AM

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RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 04:33:33 PMHow much is a packet of fags now? Cars can be taxed  the same.

Do that and you utterly kill the economy. No government will be able to do that and stay in power.

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Eamonnca1

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 02, 2024, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 03:30:35 PMThe age of motorways will end given climate targets. Railways will return and crossborder will benefit.

You smoking some good stuff there all right!

Motorways are here to stay. People simply won't forego the convenience versus traveling to a train station, parking up, getting a train then having to find another means of travelling from destination station to wherever they actually want to go to.



Re-opened railways have to be part of a broader change in the way land is used. We need more people living and working within reach of a train station. Active travel access to the stations has to be improved too, Dutch style. Dutch train stations have parking for tens of thousands of bikes, and they're heavily used.


RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2024, 09:58:21 PMDutch train stations have parking for tens of thousands of bikes, and they're heavily used.

There are potholes in the road outside that have a bigger climb out of them than most hills in the Netherlands ffs!

That plays a slight role in the uptake of bicycles!
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AustinPowers

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 03, 2024, 11:25:43 AM

How many of those do  you see happening?

There's been a campaign for Sligo - Galway in  recent years , the track is still  there, and it's  not even included in these plans.

So realistically, what's the chances  of the likes of Portadown-Armagh  and  on to Mullingar happening where  the whole route would have to  be built from scratch?

Tony Baloney

Quote from: AustinPowers on August 03, 2024, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 03, 2024, 11:25:43 AM

How many of those do  you see happening?

There's been a campaign for Sligo - Galway in  recent years , the track is still  there, and it's  not even included in these plans.

So realistically, what's the chances  of the likes of Portadown-Armagh  and  on to Mullingar happening where  the whole route would have to  be built from scratch?
I'll start the bidding at zero.

armaghniac

Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 03, 2024, 06:12:03 PMI'll start the bidding at zero.

Waterford-Wexford will reopen, Navan will get something, maybe the Aldergrove line. Some lines will be double tracked.
The rest is about is about as likely as Armagh winning the All Ireland.
MAGA Make Armagh Great Again

ONeill

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2024, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 01, 2024, 12:25:51 PMThere's no need for Fermanagh people to be going on trains.

Then why so many cars on the roads in Fermanagh?

Ach there aren't that many.
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Eamonnca1

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 03, 2024, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2024, 09:58:21 PMDutch train stations have parking for tens of thousands of bikes, and they're heavily used.

There are potholes in the road outside that have a bigger climb out of them than most hills in the Netherlands ffs!

That plays a slight role in the uptake of bicycles!

Ireland is hardly the Alps now, is it? What are called "mountains" in Ireland are known as "hills" in other countries. The vast majority of Irish towns and cities are flat enough to be favourable to cycling. In any case bikes have gears, and eBikes have made hills irrelevant anyway.

Holland in the 1950s was just as car-ridden as many US cities. Those big public squares where people like to hang out in cities like Amsterdam? They were used as car parks in the postwar years.

The legendary Dutch cycling infrastructure is a relatively recent development.

clonadmad

#99
Who knew that getting in foreign expertise to complete a full rail network in a quarter of the time and a fifth of the cost could be a solution

https://x.com/jillkerby/status/1824743859240271872?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

armaghniac

Quote from: clonadmad on August 17, 2024, 12:07:58 PMWho knew that getting in foreign expertise to do complete it in a quarter of the time and half the cost could be a solution

https://x.com/jillkerby/status/1824743859240271872?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

The Chinese stuff is amazing


We could also ask the Russians who seem to have built a railway from Mariupol to Crimea in double quick time.

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AustinPowers

Quote from: clonadmad on August 17, 2024, 12:07:58 PMWho knew that getting in foreign expertise to complete a full rail network in a quarter of the time and half the cost could be a solution

https://x.com/jillkerby/status/1824743859240271872?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

It's  mad when you think about how far ahead they're looking at. 2050? Ffs that is 26 years away!  Its too  far away for anyone to think  about or care about. It's needed now.

I actually flew into Belfast city  on the first weekend they opened the  new terminal in 2001.  The  airport stop  is pretty much redundant as it involves walking along  the busy dual carriageway .  They've talked about moving the train stop further down  to accommodate  the new terminal. 23 years later , it still hasn't happened.  They'll probably  still be talking about it  in 2050.

So realistically, what are the chances of  a railway from Portadown  to Derry, or down to the midlands if an airport stop is taking 23 years,  and counting?

clonadmad

Quote from: AustinPowers on August 17, 2024, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 17, 2024, 12:07:58 PMWho knew that getting in foreign expertise to complete a full rail network in a quarter of the time and half the cost could be a solution

https://x.com/jillkerby/status/1824743859240271872?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

It's  mad when you think about how far ahead they're looking at. 2050? Ffs that is 26 years away!  Its too  far away for anyone to think  about or care about. It's needed now.

I actually flew into Belfast city  on the first weekend they opened the  new terminal in 2001.  The  airport stop  is pretty much redundant as it involves walking along  the busy dual carriageway .  They've talked about moving the train stop further down  to accommodate  the new terminal. 23 years later , it still hasn't happened.  They'll probably  still be talking about it  in 2050.

So realistically, what are the chances of  a railway from Portadown  to Derry, or down to the midlands if an airport stop is taking 23 years,  and counting?

From 2007 in relation to a fairly simple spur to Shannon Airport which would have brought about the first rail connected airport on the island

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The Irish Times report said the following:

"The feasibility study by MVA Consultants has put a cost of €700 million on constructing the rail link. However, this has been disputed by the locally-based Shannon Rail Partnership which claims that the rail link will cost €240 million."

clonadmad

#103
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2024, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 17, 2024, 12:07:58 PMWho knew that getting in foreign expertise to do complete it in a quarter of the time and half the cost could be a solution

https://x.com/jillkerby/status/1824743859240271872?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

The Chinese stuff is amazing


We could also ask the Russians who seem to have built a railway from Mariupol to Crimea in double quick time.



The Chinese

Laying more new track in a day than the Irish have laid in 40 years


The Italians and Spanish might be a better bet than the Ruskies 😉

I read somewhere recently that every 1km of underground rail cost the Brits £1bn

While the Italians were doing it for €100m per km

clonadmad