ok its not GAA fans (it never is !!!) - a couple of people will be expecting me topost this so I cant let them down.
To be fair- its not even soccer fans, as Ireland have a fantastic rep throughout the world for fans behaviour.
its these young feckers that follow rovers (though in the tv clip I saw earlier there was an older chap on the pitch looking to fight also).
the fai need to sort rovers and ther so called fans out.
There are a lot of rovers fans I know who are decent and sound, but this other shower are f**king it up for everyone.
from rte.ie
St Pat's to investigate post-match incidents
Wednesday, 20 October 2010 14:17
St Patrick's Athletic are to investigate the incidents that occured after last night's FAI Ford Cup semi-final against Shamrock Rovers at Richmond Park.
The club has also pledged to take immediate action against any fans found to be involved in the post-match crowd trouble.
Pat's were beaten 1-0 at Richmond Park and after the game, a number of Shamrock Rovers supporters invaded the pitch. Pat's fans then also entered the playing area and Gardaí and security staff were forced to intervene as fans engaged in taunting and aggressive behaviour.
A statement by St Pat's said they are committed to ensuring that Richmond Park remains a place where fans can enjoy football in a 'safe, secure and friendly environment'.
A statement on the club website www.stpatsfc.ie said: 'St Patrick's Athletic have already committed to taking action against any supporters found to be involved in the disturbances.
'St Patrick's Athletic is committed to ensuring that Richmond Park is a place where people can enjoy football in a safe, secure and friendly environment.
'A full review of the incidents that occurred at the end of last night's match is already underway at the club.
'Strong and immediate action will be taken by St Patrick's Athletic against any home supporters found to be involved in crowd disturbances of any kind on the night.'
What do you expect from an ass but a kick.
It appears from all the media reporting that the mischief came from the Pats fans who attacked celebrating Rovers fans....
The 4 arrested were Pats fans....
Statement quoted is from Pats who are investigating their fans...
Yet you still want the FAI to 'sort Rovers out' and describe some kids throwing shapes as a 'riot'? If that was a 'riot' what was the Leinster Final?
Want vinegar for that chip?
Quote from: dublinfella on October 20, 2010, 03:36:17 PM
It appears from all the media reporting that the mischief came from the Pats fans who attacked celebrating Rovers fans....
The 4 arrested were Pats fans....
Statement quoted is from Pats who are investigating their fans...
Yet you still want the FAI to 'sort Rovers out' and describe some kids throwing shapes as a 'riot'? If that was a 'riot' what was the Leinster Final?
Want vinegar for that chip?
Are you saying is that it wasn't us it was them and anyway because other idiots did it in Croke Park that makes it ok?
Quote from: muppet on October 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
Are you saying is that it wasn't us it was them and anyway because other idiots did it in Croke Park that makes it ok?
What I am saying is that what happened last night was not a riot and what unsavoury things that happened were instigated by the Pats fans. Lynchboy, yet again, has excelled himself with hyperbole and nonsense.
People in glass houses etc.
Quote from: dublinfella on October 20, 2010, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
Are you saying is that it wasn't us it was them and anyway because other idiots did it in Croke Park that makes it ok?
What I am saying is that what happened last night was not a riot and what unsavoury things that happened were instigated by the Pats fans. Lynchboy, yet again, has excelled himself with hyperbole and nonsense.
People in glass houses etc.
whatever you like to call it - you dont find the same kind of thing being done by GAA fans...
also - is it sheer coincidence that its always rovers ?
no chip on my shoulder- you prev challenged me to prove that such incidents of crowd violence actually exist in soccer and also to point out any events that pertain to rovers (paraphrasing but that was the gist).
OK I am not saying that all rovers fans are scum - but they have a big problem - even you cant stick your head in the sand over this !
whats the glass houses thing - what are you trying to say - do you have reports of similar running battles and fights between fans at top level GAA games?
didnt think so!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on October 20, 2010, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
Are you saying is that it wasn't us it was them and anyway because other idiots did it in Croke Park that makes it ok?
What I am saying is that what happened last night was not a riot and what unsavoury things that happened were instigated by the Pats fans. Lynchboy, yet again, has excelled himself with hyperbole and nonsense.
People in glass houses etc.
whatever you like to call it - you dont find the same kind of thing being done by GAA fans...
How do you know the people involved are not GAA fans? they could be Rovers fans and Dublin Gaa fans for all you know
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 20, 2010, 05:01:55 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on October 20, 2010, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
Are you saying is that it wasn't us it was them and anyway because other idiots did it in Croke Park that makes it ok?
What I am saying is that what happened last night was not a riot and what unsavoury things that happened were instigated by the Pats fans. Lynchboy, yet again, has excelled himself with hyperbole and nonsense.
People in glass houses etc.
whatever you like to call it - you dont find the same kind of thing being done by GAA fans...
How do you know the people involved are not GAA fans? they could be Rovers fans and Dublin Gaa fans for all you know
if they are, then they dont do it at GAA games...why is that ?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 20, 2010, 05:01:55 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on October 20, 2010, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
Are you saying is that it wasn't us it was them and anyway because other idiots did it in Croke Park that makes it ok?
What I am saying is that what happened last night was not a riot and what unsavoury things that happened were instigated by the Pats fans. Lynchboy, yet again, has excelled himself with hyperbole and nonsense.
People in glass houses etc.
whatever you like to call it - you dont find the same kind of thing being done by GAA fans...
How do you know the people involved are not GAA fans? they could be Rovers fans and Dublin Gaa fans for all you know
if they are, then they dont do it at GAA games...why is that ?
Too locked and Spaced out from all the drink and drugs on the Hill?
Anyway my point is you have no way of knowing if these lads involved aren't also members of Gaa Clubs and attend Gaa matches,they could be just as big Gaa fans as soccer fans..
They might be scumbags but that doesn't mean they aren't Gaa fans
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 20, 2010, 05:08:25 PM
Too locked and Spaced out from all the drink and drugs on the Hill?
Anyway my point is you have no way of knowing if these lads involved aren't also members of Gaa Clubs and attend Gaa matches,they could be just as big Gaa fans as soccer fans..
They might be scumbags but that doesn't mean they aren't Gaa fans
thats fine and I understand what you mean
however the whole point of this is to yet again provide roversfella with the examples he was looking for in relation to crowd/fan violence in soccer and at games and that
IT DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE GAA
you get local rows and fights in local soccer and GAA games
but at these higher levels of soccer and GAA - there is only crowd/fan violence at soccer (and generally when rovers are playing).
thats the point.
rovers need to sort out these thugs as they are ruining it for the rest of their fans and for the league soccer people in Ireland.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:00:11 PMwhatever you like to call it - you dont find the same kind of thing being done by GAA fans...
No, they bate the referee and players. Different, but the same.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:00:11 PMalso - is it sheer coincidence that its always rovers ?
Biggest fanbase = more of everything. Combined with a media that jump up and down on any little incident (in all sports) and you have your column inches. And my understanding is Bohs are by a mile the worst. Pub in Derry, that granny in Austria etc.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:00:11 PMno chip on my shoulder- you prev challenged me to prove that such incidents of crowd violence actually exist in soccer and also to point out any events that pertain to rovers (paraphrasing but that was the gist).
Was it 'crowd violence' though? A few kids throwing shapes and then they all went home. Its hardly Heysel...
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:00:11 PMOK I am not saying that all rovers fans are scum - but they have a big problem - even you cant stick your head in the sand over this !
I couldn't give a rashers one way or the other, my issue here is your low brow attempts to score points while completely denying that there is a similar issue in the GAA. Was anyone arrested or banned over the Leinster Final? Or that lad videoed clipping a ref with a hurl in Tipp? Bad and all as Rovers reputation is, they deal with fans who act up.
wha
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:00:11 PMts the glass houses thing - what are you trying to say - do you have reports of similar running battles and fights between fans at top level GAA games?
didnt think so!
As I said, rather than target other fans, GAA hooligans attack players and officials. Its utter nonesense after the summer the GAA had in terms of off field issues to point a finger at anyone. Clean our own house first.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 20, 2010, 05:31:36 PM
be scumbags but that doesn't mean they aren't Gaa fans
thats fine and I understand what you mean
however the whole point of this is to yet again provide roversfella with the examples he was looking for in relation to crowd/fan violence in soccer and at games and that
IT DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE GAA
you get local rows and fights in local soccer and GAA games
but at these higher levels of soccer and GAA - there is only crowd/fan violence at soccer (and generally when rovers are playing).
thats the point.
rovers need to sort out these thugs as they are ruining it for the rest of their fans and for the league soccer people in Ireland.
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So the Leinster final wasn't marred by crowd trouble that ended up with the GAA erecting fences?
A raft of referees weren't happy slapped by fans over the summer?
Will you rev up. Every sport has problems that manifest in different ways. The GAA doesn't have a higer moral ground here.
LOL
the GAA have mountaintop moral ground here !
you talk about others speaking in hyperbole !! :D
fences erected in Croker to stop crowds coming onto pitch for health and safety reasons - not even close to being the same as th eviolence that follows rovers and some fai soccer teams
secondly while these two to three fellas that went after the ref at leinster final (think one may have pushed him) and two more went after joe sheridan/mark ward - this ONE OFF is a hell of a long way off what soccer endures.
BUT these identified fans have been banned from their clubs last I heard. I'd have preferred they were done by the gardai to be honest.
The GAA acted at least at club level here.what do rovers do ?
why does it continue with rovers all the time.
Bohs dont have this problem. first I have heard of it if this is true. give us some evidence where other fai soccer teams have the same fan problem then !
anyhow you asked for evidence from me before and said that soccer violence didnt exist and GAA violence not only existed at the same level - but was worse ! ::)
so I post each time now to prove this. This is the third incident in a few months I believe.
If you are going to try to drag in local Club GAA to the equation, then you will have to also drag in local soccer -where one is as bad as the other at least. We are highlighting the difference between fai soccer clubs and GAA intercounty matches here ! - and boy is there a difference in the behaviour of the soccer fans and their violence by comparison to GAA fans !!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
LOL
the GAA have mountaintop moral ground here !
you talk about others speaking in hyperbole !! :D
To be honest they don't. There are incidents at soccer. There are incidents at GAA. You are the one trying to point score, despite getting your story completely arseways.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
fences erected in Croker to stop crowds coming onto pitch for health and safety reasons - not even close to being the same as th eviolence that follows rovers and some fai soccer teams
So there wasn't a (far worse) incident at the Leinster Final? That wasn't refered to in the justification for the fences?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
secondly while these two to three fellas that went after the ref at leinster final (think one may have pushed him) and two more went after joe sheridan/mark ward - this ONE OFF is a hell of a long way off what soccer endures.
BUT these identified fans have been banned from their clubs last I heard. I'd have preferred they were done by the gardai to be honest.
The GAA acted at least at club level here.what do rovers do ?
why does it continue with rovers all the time.
Link to the action against the Louth fans? The guy who belted a ref with a hurl in Tipp is still active in his local club. You cannot even almost begin to say enough is being done to root out the element in the GAA. The fact they don't fight with rival fans is irrelevant.
Rovers ban and will ban anyone who messes. But in this case the Pats fans were the ones up to no good, and they were huckled immediatly by the Gardaí. Something they don't do when it kicks off at the GAA.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
Bohs dont have this problem. first I have heard of it if this is true. give us some evidence where other fai soccer teams have the same fan problem then !
A Bohs fan was done in an Austrian Court for sticking an old lady in a coma. Bohs fans were jailed for smashing up a loyalist pub in Derry.
The point is though that you are painting the LoI as a hotbed of carnage. It is in its arse. Incidents happen in the same way they happen in Gaelic Games. No-one has the monopoly on it.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 01:24:58 PManyhow you asked for evidence from me before and said that soccer violence didnt exist and GAA violence not only existed at the same level - but was worse ! ::)
so I post each time now to prove this. This is the third incident in a few months I believe.
Will I go through all the incidents over the summer of fans attacking officials, players getting hospitalised etc? Again, it happens. But I don't see the soccer lads denying they have an issue and deflecting like you do.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
If you are going to try to drag in local Club GAA to the equation, then you will have to also drag in local soccer -where one is as bad as the other at least. We are highlighting the difference between fai soccer clubs and GAA intercounty matches here ! - and boy is there a difference in the behaviour of the soccer fans and their violence by comparison to GAA fans !!
I disagree. You could argue soccer fans have respect for the match officials and players and never attack them. Its six of one.
so you are trying to drag it down to all the same !
I said that the same kind of incidents at local level occur in soccer as well as GAA - refs getting hit and fights etc. Have seen them and have been involved in them (fearful for our lives at leinster junior cup games in jobstown and cardiff inn fc ) .
the 'Irish mail on sunday' at least - ran the story about the half dozen of fans that were guilty of the leinster final shennanigans - and named them too. Commented that they had been banned by their local GAA.
fence was a joke in Croker- as if there was a real problem, they would have put it up all around the ground immediately. Its insurance reasons driving this - not violence - but nice try.
I am simple providng the evidence for you as it happens, incident by incident - but each time you deny them !!
fai leagues in (semi pro) soccer have fan violence on a reoccurring basis. Intercounty GAA games dont. pity you cant see this is the case or refuse to acknowlede it as they are not 'as bad as each other' ::). Yer living in De-nial old chap !
Lynch, there are two simple problems with your rant.
1: There are very few incidents at any Irish sport events, and this is a good thing. You have labelled the handbags on Tuesday as a 'riot'and 'running battles'. This hyperbole is quite simply silly and makes you look desperate to score points.
2: There are issues at intercounty GAA games, the Leinster Final being the highest profile one. To say that its not an issue to be tackled because fans weren't battering each other, only the referee and opposition players, is mental gymnastics of the highest order.
Neither the GAA or LoI is a warzone, but both have their issues. To overhype one set of issues and deny there are problems at all in the other makes you look fundamentally foolish.
you can try to drag it down to nursery school level etc and whinge away calling names ,but your efforts to deny the reality and squirm your way out of this just dont add up.
you have no answer.
meanwhile the violence events and fans violence at soccer matches - esp that secion of sham rovers fans- continues and will continue...as it has done this past few years !
enjoy that sand bank !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 04:51:40 PM
you can try to drag it down to nursery school level etc and whinge away calling names ,but your efforts to deny the reality and squirm your way out of this just dont add up.
you have no answer.
meanwhile the violence events and fans violence at soccer matches - esp that secion of sham rovers fans- continues and will continue...as it has done this past few years !
enjoy that sand bank !
So you are going to completely ignore what I said. That is a massive shock to me.
The fundamental difference is that soccer acknowledges there is an issue and does something about it. As it happens, Tuesday was shapethrowing, nothing more, nothing less. But even then, Pats and Rovers will take action, immediatly and decisively. The same simply cannot be said for the GAA, and you are symptomatic of why. "We aren't as bad as themuns, so nothing to see here..."
the leinster final guys have been dealt with by GAA.
aside from that
yes , all these occurrences of soccer violence are 'isolated incidents' ! :D
....all of them.... :D
Dublinfella, how do you know that the guy that belted the ref. in Tipperary is still active in his club?. You don't know any such thing and are just chancing your arm.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 05:24:20 PM
the leinster final guys have been dealt with by GAA.
aside from that
yes , all these occurrences of soccer violence are 'isolated incidents' ! :D
....all of them.... :D
No, you claim they were dealt with by their clubs. Subtle, but important difference.
People get arrested and barred from soccer for far less.
Who mentioned isolated incidents?
Quote from: Onlooker on October 21, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
Dublinfella, how do you know that the guy that belted the ref. in Tipperary is still active in his club?. You don't know any such thing and are just chancing your arm.
Chap I work with is from Tipp and hurls back home. He says that the chap basically got away scott free as the ref didn't press charges.
Quote from: Onlooker on October 21, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
Dublinfella, how do you know that the guy that belted the ref. in Tipperary is still active in his club?. You don't know any such thing and are just chancing your arm.
the difference is that club soccer and club GAA will always have such incidents.
the problem is that intercounty GAA games dont have any reoccurring problems of fan violence - or fans fighting other fans (organised or not) whereas fai league soccer does !
funnily enough all these 'isolated incidents' are adding up and have gone from 'never happen' to are happening regularly enough ....
but the fai/ clubs are dealing with it so we dont have to worry (yet they still are happening !!!)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 05:38:56 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on October 21, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
Dublinfella, how do you know that the guy that belted the ref. in Tipperary is still active in his club?. You don't know any such thing and are just chancing your arm.
the difference is that club soccer and club GAA will always have such incidents.
the problem is that intercounty GAA games dont have any reoccurring problems of fan violence - or fans fighting other fans (organised or not) whereas fai league soccer does !
funnily enough all these 'isolated incidents' are adding up and have gone from 'never happen' to are happening regularly enough ....
but the fai/ clubs are dealing with it so we dont have to worry (yet they still are happening !!!)
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 05:38:56 PM
the difference is that club soccer and club GAA will always have such incidents.
Good. So you now at least acknoweldge that there is an issue within the GAA that should be dealt with. That is progress.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 05:38:56 PM
the problem is that intercounty GAA games dont have any reoccurring problems of fan violence - or fans fighting other fans (organised or not) whereas fai league soccer does !
So the issue is now recurrance, and you are comparing club soccer to intercounty GAA - a bit of a goalpost shift there....
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 21, 2010, 05:38:56 PM
funnily enough all these 'isolated incidents' are adding up and have gone from 'never happen' to are happening regularly enough ....
but the fai/ clubs are dealing with it so we dont have to worry (yet they still are happening !!!)
Who mentioned 'isolated incidents' other than you?!?
The simple point I am making, whether you chose to grasp it or not, is that things happen. They are happening more and more frequently in the GAA (or at least being reported more) and less and less in soccer. One association goes out of its way to ban fans, one is by any benchmark ignoring the problem.
I am not for a second suggesting that the GAA has a significant element, but it was a bad summer for the GAA in terms of incidents and quite simply there has been no action at all. The fact that the half dozen Louth louts can stroll into Croker at will despite their behaviour is baffling. If they did it at a soccer game they would be in front of a judge, as the fool who got on the pitch at Tallaght and acted up found himself.
Quote from: dublinfella on October 21, 2010, 05:33:19 PM
Chap I work with is from Tipp and hurls back home. He says that the chap basically got away scott free as the ref didn't press charges.
You always seem to know a guy who backs up what you have to say. Forgive me if I treat these witnesses with a pinch of salt.
Having said that, I think you have the right of the original point. The idea that a handful of yahoos - and we are taking about three or four by the looks of it - indicates some kind of cancer at the heart of Irish soccer is ridiculous. What next? The GAA is the IRA at play because there are a few Provos in its ranks?
Who can forget that story of the famous GAA riot on the streets of Dublin ;D
Quote from: Main Street on October 21, 2010, 09:31:55 PM
Who can forget that story of the famous GAA riot on the streets of Dublin ;D
That guy threw a mean beer barrel
Quote from: dublinfella on October 21, 2010, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on October 21, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
Dublinfella, how do you know that the guy that belted the ref. in Tipperary is still active in his club?. You don't know any such thing and are just chancing your arm.
Chap I work with is from Tipp and hurls back home. He says that the chap basically got away scott free as the ref didn't press charges.
The fact that the referee did not press charges certainly does not mean that this guy is still active in his club. I repeat you are chancing your arm when you say he is still active in his club.
Quote from: dublinfella on October 21, 2010, 05:47:00 PM
Good. So you now at least acknoweldge that there is an issue within the GAA that should be dealt with. That is progress.
So the issue is now recurrance, and you are comparing club soccer to intercounty GAA - a bit of a goalpost shift there....
Who mentioned 'isolated incidents' other than you?!?
The simple point I am making, whether you chose to grasp it or not, is that things happen. They are happening more and more frequently in the GAA (or at least being reported more) and less and less in soccer. One association goes out of its way to ban fans, one is by any benchmark ignoring the problem.
I am not for a second suggesting that the GAA has a significant element, but it was a bad summer for the GAA in terms of incidents and quite simply there has been no action at all. The fact that the half dozen Louth louts can stroll into Croker at will despite their behaviour is baffling. If they did it at a soccer game they would be in front of a judge, as the fool who got on the pitch at Tallaght and acted up found himself.
if you actually read what I wrote you will see that I am saying all the time that local violence has occurred at local levels in all sports. these incidents on soccer and GAA remain unreported or people not banned -but the GAA does deal with local levels unlike leinster junior counties soccer as well as kildare leagues at least. Despite their protests that they 'ban' people!
it is you who are trying to compare different things. GAA intercounty can only really be (nearly) equated with semi pro fai league soccer- despite fai league having 1% of the fans attending games !
for this 1% there are a lot of incidents- and I called them 'isolated' as each time I report one, you sem to treat it like its the first one that has happened, so I'm really just taking the mick out of your ostrich like tendencies!
The louth lads have been banned - and if you can put up your tipp anecdotes- then surely the banning of these louth lads that was reported in the press the week after the incident can be accepted also. Even though it destroys your non-argument yet agan !
at least this time you managed to not resort to child like name calling !! That augurs well for your own behaviour and self discipline !
hard luck rovers fella - please respond if you have an actual argument next time ! but so far you havent ! I'll reply if you do !
Dont expect you will have anything yet again though ! hard luck !
as for laois lad - no wonder you dont want to debate such an issue - with the likes of laois and the violence that follows this counties players in soccer and GAA !
I'll let you away with the violence in Leix Gaa Lynch as everyone knows about that and I'm not gonna defend it but violence in Laois soccer? You'll have to fill me in on that as I played all my soccer in Kilkenny so I never heard of any violence in Laois soccer. We don't even have a soccer team representing Laois which I always thought was a pity BTW