FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022

Started by laoislad, April 01, 2022, 06:16:12 PM

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nrico2006

Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2022, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 04:03:36 PM
Mad isn't it.

Germany, Spain,  France, Brazil - who between them have won 7 out of the last 8 world cups - haven't yet kicked a ball. Serious football teams like Portugal, Belgium, Uruguay haven't yet kicked a ball.

But here it's England's to lose.

If Germany, Spain,  France, Brazil was near the quality that they were when winning those tournaments you might have a decent argument.

Portugal are nothing serious going by their recent matches against a very average Irish team.

And England's form until running into a lower tier opponent yesterday, was shocking too.

Iran are 20th in the world.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

thewobbler

Yeah but world rankings currently need a context (they always do, but more so again since Covid). They were 37th ranked going into the last World Cup, and haven't played a European team since then... until they met England

Wildweasel74

Doesn't interurpt as she knows damn all about soccer, so best say nothing.

Milltown Row2

Some complaining about the time added during the games lately, Keith Hackett saying the ref's are just making it up!!

But on average in the PL they play only 55 minutes of actual football, and Hackett on saying that players will become fatigued and that will either cause injuries or mistimed tackles, if they are actually only running around for 55 minutes they shouldn't really be tired!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Armagh18

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:21:37 AM
Some complaining about the time added during the games lately, Keith Hackett saying the ref's are just making it up!!

But on average in the PL they play only 55 minutes of actual football, and Hackett on saying that players will become fatigued and that will either cause injuries or mistimed tackles, if they are actually only running around for 55 minutes they shouldn't really be tired!
Would love to see how much time the ball is actually in play in a football/hurling match as well just to compare.

imtommygunn

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:21:37 AM
Some complaining about the time added during the games lately, Keith Hackett saying the ref's are just making it up!!

But on average in the PL they play only 55 minutes of actual football, and Hackett on saying that players will become fatigued and that will either cause injuries or mistimed tackles, if they are actually only running around for 55 minutes they shouldn't really be tired!

The time that should be added never gets added. If it did be there all day but it also might nip the time wasting in the bud.

if the right amount of time were added I think your club might have 2 AIs for you got beat by a point in a game that was one of the biggest displays of time wasting I've ever seen!

Milltown Row2

Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2022, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:21:37 AM
Some complaining about the time added during the games lately, Keith Hackett saying the ref's are just making it up!!

But on average in the PL they play only 55 minutes of actual football, and Hackett on saying that players will become fatigued and that will either cause injuries or mistimed tackles, if they are actually only running around for 55 minutes they shouldn't really be tired!

The time that should be added never gets added. If it did be there all day but it also might nip the time wasting in the bud.

if the right amount of time were added I think your club might have 2 AIs for you got beat by a point in a game that was one of the biggest displays of time wasting I've ever seen!

Aye it's a curse TBH, but I feel the ref's should be stopping their watches like they do in Rugby, its simple enough to employ at these grounds, one less duty for them to worry about and taken out of their hands.

I've two people doing clock duty with me at games, I raise my hand and visually show me stopping the watch, and do it again when play resumes, they'll remind me also to restart my watch just in case, when my watch is in the 30th minute that's time up, on the big clock at the pitch that could be saying 36.40 minutes though, If there was no taking the piss the game would end on 30 minutes each half.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

thewobbler

Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.

So don't add time on?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

johnnycool

Quote from: laoislad on November 22, 2022, 08:31:26 PM
Liverpool's Mbappe with the 3rd goal.

Liverpools Konate (a very decent player) is fit, that's the biggest surprise.

thewobbler

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.

So don't add time on?

Not so much that, so much as just don't try to pretend that injuries and stoppages aren't part of a football match. The halves are longer (at 45 mins) than any other sport for a reason: it allows for the ball not being in play.

Obviously an unusually long stoppage needs to be catered for. And a few extra minutes here and there for shithousery seems fair. But whacking back on 10 mins over 45 mins in a normal game of football? No f**k that. No need.


Milltown Row2

Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.

So don't add time on?

Not so much that, so much as just don't try to pretend that injuries and stoppages aren't part of a football match. The halves are longer (at 45 mins) than any other sport for a reason: it allows for the ball not being in play.

Obviously an unusually long stoppage needs to be catered for. And a few extra minutes here and there for shithousery seems fair. But whacking back on 10 mins over 45 mins in a normal game of football? No f**k that. No need.

Yeah, somewhere in between, ball out of play that's part of the game providing there isn't someone taking the piss on that side of things, can't imagine too many games when Celtic play that there is much stoppages with how they speed things up for sidelines and so on
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

thebigfella

Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.

So don't add time on?

Not so much that, so much as just don't try to pretend that injuries and stoppages aren't part of a football match. The halves are longer (at 45 mins) than any other sport for a reason: it allows for the ball not being in play.

Obviously an unusually long stoppage needs to be catered for. And a few extra minutes here and there for shithousery seems fair. But whacking back on 10 mins over 45 mins in a normal game of football? No f**k that. No need.

The direction given to refs is around 30sec per substitution but up to the ref's judgement too. With the possibility of 10 subs per match, you could have around 5 mins added time before injuries etc. are taken into account.

Most of the games where there was extra long stoppage time also had players down for head injuries too. Those were easily 3/4 min stoppages.

Armagh18

Quote from: thebigfella on November 23, 2022, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.

So don't add time on?

Not so much that, so much as just don't try to pretend that injuries and stoppages aren't part of a football match. The halves are longer (at 45 mins) than any other sport for a reason: it allows for the ball not being in play.

Obviously an unusually long stoppage needs to be catered for. And a few extra minutes here and there for shithousery seems fair. But whacking back on 10 mins over 45 mins in a normal game of football? No f**k that. No need.

The direction given to refs is around 30sec per substitution but up to the ref's judgement too. With the possibility of 10 subs per match, you could have around 5 mins added time before injuries etc. are taken into account.

Most of the games where there was extra long stoppage time also had players down for head injuries too. Those were easily 3/4 min stoppages.
Is that not changed now that there are only 3 substitution windows allowed?

thewobbler

Anyhow some context why football isn't "perfect" and trying to achieve that state, causes more problems than it solves.

Watching Spurs recently. Can't remember which game, but it was about 7-8 minutes to go and Spurs are trailing by a goal. A Spurs attacker gets cleaned out 25m from goal.

As is the "football way", he rolled around for 30 secs to see if he could influence a booking. Then he spent at least a minute with the physio, to prove to everyone how hurt he was. It's only after he's up in his feet that the referee gets things going again, and the opposition start setting up their wall. The really odd thing is that it's only then that Spurs' dead ball specialists gather together to decide who's hitting it. Then there's 30 seconds of the anointed one placing the ball, taking the required number of steps, and a completely unnecessary number of deep breaths.

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Anyone who follows Spurs knows that they score about one direct free kick every three seasons.

Yet the team still spent over half the remaining time on this "chance". When if they had even a titter of wit, they'd have as quickly as possible used this opportunity to try to force a corner (which Spurs are good at).

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This isn't a story about Spurs. It's a story about football.

Every team wastes their own time, both knowingly and unknowingly, throughout a match.

Adding on a bundle more time isn't a solution. It's just another stick to beat the referee with.