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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: Today at 10:14:26 AM »
Former ref Maurice Deegan on the mess and what sort of changes may ne necessary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b15gLkEs7eE&t=3420s

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: Today at 09:08:44 AM »
Is this not we’re Brollys point was relevant that O’Rourke isn’t a Glen man and could potentially manage KC in the future?
I think that's overthinking it. He was asked in the spur of the moment and he couldn't speak on behalf of the club given what had happened.

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On the 12th of July loyalists burn tricolours and re-enact the Battle of the Boyne in places such as Scarva. The poor craythurs.
 In a United Ireland could these rituals be moved to County Meath, to the real thing? Or would the victory of Protestantism over Catholic absolutism
 be rendered pointless by a United Ireland ?

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2023
« on: Today at 08:49:41 AM »
Strong Galway team for Saturday night

Connor Gleeson; Eoghan Kelly, Seán Kelly, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, John Daly;Daniel O'Flanherty Paul Conroy, Cillian McDaid; Paul Kelly, Matthew Tierney, Johnny Heaney; Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Dessie Connelly

Subs Bernie Power,Neil Mulcahy,Cathal Sweeney,John Maher,Billy Mannion,Matthew Barrett,Peter Cooke,Gerard Davoren,Ryan Monaghan,Eoin Finnerty,Owen Gallagher

That's a strong team alright. Joyce mustn't like Tomo Culhane or is he playing Sigerson?
Very different to the one put out last time in the Prenty Dome.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2023
« on: Today at 08:33:42 AM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/26/nfl-division-one-champions-kerry-look-to-retain-title/


NFL Division One: Champions Kerry look to retain title
Four Ulster teams, three from Connacht in what will be a competitive league
Seán Moran
Thu Jan 26 2023 - 20:42

Armagh
Manager: Kieran McGeeney
2022: 3rd in Division One and lost Ulster 1st round to Donegal; All-Ireland, lost quarter-final to Galway
Opening fixture: v Monaghan (away)
An encouraging 2022 saw Kieran McGeeney’s team start fast in the league and end it a little unlucky to miss final. Also unlucky to exit championship on penalties. Rian O’Neill was excellent in an at times high-performing attack. Discipline though remains a fundamental problem.


Donegal
Manager: Paddy Carr
2022: 4th, Division One and lost Ulster final to Derry; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R2 to Armagh
Opening fixture: v Kerry (home)
Byzantine managerial manoeuvres ended with Paddy Carr taking over. Aidan O’Rourke joins as coach but Michael Murphy finally called it a day. There’s not much optimism that they can turn around the underachievement in his absence.

Galway
Manager: Pádraic Joyce
2022: Runners up, Division Two and Connacht champions; All-Ireland finalists.
Opening fixture: v Mayo (away)
Excellent championship brought Galway closer to an All-Ireland than for two decades. This season isn’t starting well with loss of Liam Silke for what looks like a year and Kieran Molloy nursing a cruciate. Return of Ian Burke a positive but greater depth needed.

Kerry
Manager: Jack O’Connor
2022: 1st in Division One and winners, Munster champions; All-Ireland champions
Opening fixture: v Donegal (away)
Jack O’Connor returned for a third tenure to do his trick of a first-year league and All-Ireland double. They may ease up on the league, particularly as they start the campaign without most of their first team between injury and club commitments. David Moran called it a day, leaving hole at centrefield.

Mayo

Manager: Kevin McStay
2022: 2nd in Division One and finalists, lost Connacht quarter-final to Galway; All-Ireland, lost quarter-final to Kerry

Opening fixture: v Galway (home)
Pre-season disappointment as Lee Keegan retired and Oisín Mullin returned to Australia. Buoyant all the same under the new management and with some good under-20 talent bubbling under. Can a renewed championship challenge be unearthed?

Monaghan
Manager: Vinny Corey
2022: 6th, Division One and lost Ulster semi-final to Derry; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R1 to Mayo
Opening fixture: v Armagh (home)
Time of transition, as Drew Wylie and former All Star Colin Walshe retired but Vinny Corey came to the rescue of a management void. There is still optimism amid the realism. David Gartland tearing it up for UCD another positive.
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Roscommon
Manager: Davy Burke
2022: 1st Division Two and winners, lost Connacht final to Galway; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R2 to Clare
Opening fixture: v Tyrone (home)
New manager Davy Burke must cope with the travel plans of first teamers Ultan Harney and Ronan Daly. On the credit side, Tadhg O’Rourke is back involved. Need to hit the ground running if their yo-yo status isn’t to continue.

Tyrone
Managers: Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher
2022: 5th, Division One and lost Ulster quarter-final to Derry; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R1 to Armagh
Opening fixture: v Roscommon (away)
Hoping to bounce back from the now traditional post-All-Ireland deflation, Tyrone have the wherewithal to do a lot better. Conor McKenna’s revived AFL career is a significant loss but with younger talent developing the 2021 champions can improve.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: Today at 08:10:07 AM »
I was at the Mageean Cup final this year, SLG and St Killians. SLG were three ahead and St Killians had a free or a 65 on the blow, SLG made a sub and the player never went off. Came to nothing, whistle blew, SLG fans ran on the field and then the ref had to clear the field as he was blowing because he wanted it retaken. Retake happened and again came to nothing and SLG won.

Malachy O Rourke said he realised at the time and asked for a retake but the officials ignored it. That's inexcusable.

Also, Dara Mullin, I'm not buying he didn't know he was to come off. He stayed on and Kilmacud had 16 on so it's a clear breach.
That decision to ignore Malachy O'Rourke was a huge mistake. The GAA has been in crisis mode and all over the media all week as a result of it.
The irony is is that a replayed 45 with 15 versus 15 might have resulted in nothing. The whole situation is insane.

Malachy also said that Glen would accept the result and I’m pretty certain they still will. I think they just want the moral high ground and to be told they’re entitled to a replay. I still think the rules are ambiguous and crokes could be given a fine. Despite what people have said here a fine is still an option for this minor transgression particularly since the main fault is unfortunately with the officials.
Of course they will, especially given they have objected to it.
And of course it's a minor transgression according to the rules. Why did they only have 17 on the pitch if it was only for 2 seconds ? They could have had 40. It's inversely proportional to the time it takes to kick a ball.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: Today at 07:00:14 AM »
I was at the Mageean Cup final this year, SLG and St Killians. SLG were three ahead and St Killians had a free or a 65 on the blow, SLG made a sub and the player never went off. Came to nothing, whistle blew, SLG fans ran on the field and then the ref had to clear the field as he was blowing because he wanted it retaken. Retake happened and again came to nothing and SLG won.

Malachy O Rourke said he realised at the time and asked for a retake but the officials ignored it. That's inexcusable.

Also, Dara Mullin, I'm not buying he didn't know he was to come off. He stayed on and Kilmacud had 16 on so it's a clear breach.
That decision to ignore Malachy O'Rourke was a huge mistake. The GAA has been in crisis mode and all over the media all week as a result of it.
The irony is is that a replayed 45 with 15 versus 15 might have resulted in nothing. The whole situation is insane.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: Today at 06:49:37 AM »
If KC play hardball the GAA will be in a difficult position. It's their rule book.
They might have to respond. Teams play in Croke Park on the understanding that they follow the rules.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: January 26, 2023, 10:25:05 PM »
So this could drag on for some time. Did the ref refuse Watty's a second go at the 45 featuring 15 aside ?

As Mencken observed, for every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: January 26, 2023, 08:32:01 PM »
This is senior hurling


Replay may be some way off as Kilmacud prepare to play hardball

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/26/replay-may-be-someway-off-as-kilmacud-prepare-to-play-hardball/
Even if the decision to replay the All-Ireland club final is taken, finding a date will prove problematic


Seán Moran
Thu Jan 26 2023 - 18:14

By Thursday afternoon, there was still no word from Kilmacud as to what the club’s response would be to Glen’s objection to the outcome of Sunday’s All-Ireland club football final.

There have been plenty of rumours and informed speculation that within the club there is a hard-line view that no replay should be entertained. Of course, no decision on that can be taken until Kilmacud convey their response to the Croke Park’s Central Competitions Control Committee.

As the CCCC wait, there are a number of complications. Clearly the most straightforward resolution would be for the club to go quietly and accept the rationale for a replay.

Even in those circumstances, finding a date isn’t easy. There was no replay date set because Sunday’s final was designated, “winner on the day”. The Allianz Football League starts on Saturday and players from both clubs might expect to have an involvement with their counties.


Although Dublin and Derry play on the same day for the opening two weekends of the league, four of their next six matches are on different dates, making it difficult to slot the replay in on a Saturday or Sunday.

The Saturday of the blank football weekend on February 11th and 12th is also the date for Glen centrefielder Emmett Bradley’s wedding. The next blank weekend for the NFL is a month later, March 11th and 12th.



Finding a day that everyone can live with shouldn’t be beyond the CCCC but the date mightn’t be as far away from the traditional club finals’ spot in the calendar of St Patrick’s Day as initial joking suggested.

If Kilmacud resist the proposed sanction of replay, have they any realistic remedy? After all, the 16 men were broadcast live in all their supernumerary splendour.

There were two substitutions being made and set in motion in the 63rd minute as Danny Tallon was lining up the 45. The linesman, standing on the field, can be seen raising his flag to signify the first substitution and referee Derek O’Mahoney halts play for Tom Fox to come in for Paul Mannion, who on being informed, sticks out his hand and leaves.

The second arrival, Conor Casey then comes in but play resumes as he reaches front of the goal – with Dara Mullin, who he’s replacing, still standing on the goal-line where he took up position.

16th man Kilmacud
Kilmacud had 16 players on the pitch in the closing stages of their All-Ireland club football final win over Glen on Sunday
An argument from some in the club is that they were conducting a substitution when the referee played on and whistled for the 45.

A protest from Glen that the kick should be retaken in the immediate aftermath also fell on deaf ears.


Does the question come down to intent? If a team ends up with too many players on the field, is it an infraction of strict liability: they either have or have not? Or might it become a part of the “circumstances” considered when imposing a penalty under Rule 6.44?


It may be reasonably argued that it is the substituting team’s responsibility to conduct the process properly but precedent has generally involved mistakes, such as sending in too many substitutes or trying retrospectively to categorise one or more as blood subs, rather than the act of replacement itself.

It is established that a referee’s mistake is not grounds for overturning a result. In the 2005 DRA case between Limerick county board and Fr Casey’s, it was found:

“How an error at any particular stage in a game will affect the outcome is something of an imponderable, and the fact that injustice will occasionally result from a blanket protection of referees’ decisions is a consequence that must be borne by all. It is the lesser evil.”



Were this to apply to 6.44, it would make many challenges in situations like this redundant and the rule’s clear meaning puts responsibility on the team making the switch. There is, however, room for argument.

Any potential replay may not require floodlights

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General discussion / Re: A5 WTC (New Road from Aughnacloy to Derry)
« on: January 26, 2023, 08:09:58 PM »
I often wondered why  Britain took Tyrone and Fermanagh.  Both counties had  nationalist majorities 100 years ago,  and A lot of the land  in both counties  is quite poor, is it not?  And frig me , some parts of both counties are wild, desolate hellholes. Both counties  were probably more trouble than they were worth , especially when it came  to policing  their borders with the south.  Tyrone had a natural border with Armagh  (blackwater) and with Lough Neagh. Easier patrolled there so it was

 I can understand taking  Derry , as Britain would still have  Derry port/Lough foyle and access to the  North Atlantic
I think they needed a minimum size for long term viability and the Taig population was less than 1/3 and everything would always be the same


Yes , as you say ,  6 counties is a minimum size for long term  viability but  that will go out the window  if push come to shove and unionists would settle for less  to maintain their majority.  Thats Derry Fermanagh and Tyrone gone

When you look at the infrastructure map of the north , and unionism’s  blatant  disregard for anything west of the bann , maybe they knew  their acre of ground  would have to narrow so they looked after their own corner of the field
They had no economic foresight so I can't see a slimmed down unit flying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY2FgX6dhCc&t=78s

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: January 26, 2023, 07:30:58 PM »
I kind of hope Crokes refuse a replay.

It’ll be interesting then to see the reaction of those who’ve has spent the past 4 days squealing about the integrity of the game, and how KC cheated to win, and how if rule breakers aren’t punished, the game is ruined, and how the top brass of GAA are a sham and a disgrace.

Will they declare such an outcome a success?
That would be bullshit from Crokes if it did happen. Enoch Burke could be the 16th man in their next match.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should An Glenn object?
« on: January 26, 2023, 06:49:41 PM »
When did everyone realise that the game result didn't stand ?

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The last year for which non-Covid accounts for the FAI were available was 2019.
Turnover was €42m

Page 19
https://www.fai.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/2019%20Financial%20Accounts.pdf

GAA turnover was €73.9 m
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0211/1114542-gaa-announce-record-revenue-of-73-9-million-for-2019/

IRFU turnover was €85m
https://www.irishrugby.ie/2020/10/23/irfu-annual-report-for-2019-20-season/

The main difference is infrastructure. The GAA has modernised most of its portfolio.   So has the IRFU.
 It's like Monopoly. If you invest in the grounds you can increase the rent and even put a hotel on them. This process can be continued indefinitely. But you need capital to start the process.

Both the IRFU and the GAA have a certain amount of financial momentum because they own property of a higher standard.
The FAI is more like a spailpin.  I don't think this is sustainable but I don't think the FAI is capable of changing things on its own either. This is also a class issue.

https://www.rte.ie/video/id/4305/
The main difference is difference. The GAA run all  it's competitions in owned stadiums. The IRFU run 4 professional teams. The FAI don't
Also the GAA and IRFU have more regular moneyspinning games. The FAI doesn't get juicy home games every year.

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Kilmacud

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