Starts tonight, will be a surprise if Tyrone don't retain the title, Derry would be there or thereabout also but will Rory Gallagher allow some of Derry's best players to take part in this competition?
First round Wednesday 22nd March
Monaghan v Armagh - Castleblayney 7:30pm
Quarter finals Wednesday 29th March
Fermanagh v Derry - TBC
Donegal v Antrim - Ballybofey
Tyrone v Down - Healy Park
Cavan v Monaghan/Armagh - Breffni or Athletic Grounds
Semi finals Wednesday 12th April
Tyrone/Down v Monaghan/Armagh/Cavan
Fermanagh/Derry v Donegal/Antrim
Final Wednesday 26th April
Tonights match live on here https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/item.html?id=3594911
Teams https://ulster.gaa.ie/ulsterchampionship2023/programmes
Monaghan v Armagh postponed owing to wet pitch.
Brutal timing with the Senior ulster championship round the corner, should played the championship off Feb/ March, then U-20 who good enough straight onto training with their senior team.
Tonight's game has been refixed for this Saturday 25th March at 3.30pm in Clones.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2023, 11:24:25 PM
Tonight's game has been refixed for this Saturday 25th March at 3.30pm in Clones.
Tough ask on young lads to be ready for another game on Wednesday. My county the beneficiary here possibly, but that's tight going on underage players
Half time Armagh 0-5 Monaghan 0-4
Monaghan 0-09 Armagh 0-07
Monaghan stuck at their work, and could have had a goal when they hit the post , but Armagh had a ridiculous series of wides in the second half, missing chances that you would expect a team to put away. They did a lot of the hard work and fluffed the finish.
Why are Armagh so poor at underage? They haven't challenged for a thing in the past decade +. Rarely reaching even semi-finals.
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2023, 06:31:21 PM
Why are Armagh so poor at underage? They haven't challenged for a thing in the past decade +. Rarely reaching even semi-finals.
Obviously there's not the drama with Armagh underage and academy's as Donegal but surely its time for some questions to be asked about what is going on. We are pathetic year in year out, as you say rarely winning a first round match at minor or under 20.
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2023, 06:31:21 PM
Why are Armagh so poor at underage? They haven't challenged for a thing in the past decade +. Rarely reaching even semi-finals.
Good question and one i don't have any answer for. One should also wonder why so many think Armagh seniors should be doing better than they currently are? Given their underage record i think they are arguably punching above their weight to be in Div 1 for a 3rd year in a row and reaching the last 8 of the championship only losing on penalties.
Quote from: pbat on March 25, 2023, 07:34:29 PM
Obviously there's not the drama with Armagh underage and academy's as Donegal but surely its time for some questions to be asked about what is going on. We are pathetic year in year out, as you say rarely winning a first round match at minor or under 20.
The point is that we are not pathetic, a lot of work has obviously been done and they are talented players. But the whole seems less than the sum of the parts, and different people have been involved with the management. This has been the case for years.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: pbat on March 25, 2023, 07:34:29 PM
Obviously there's not the drama with Armagh underage and academy's as Donegal but surely its time for some questions to be asked about what is going on. We are pathetic year in year out, as you say rarely winning a first round match at minor or under 20.
The point is that we are not pathetic, a lot of work has obviously been done and they are talented players. But the whole seems less than the sum of the parts, and different people have been involved with the management. This has been the case for years.
I disagree Armaghniac, while I am not saying the lads as individuals are pathetic I believe the structures, teams and tactics/set ups are and the results back this up. We were hammered out the gate last year by Donegal at u20, the excuse was that we were a very young team and most were available again this year. After watching today I cant see anything better than last year if anything lads have regressed. Who is the Armagh's Karl Lacey?
When one reads that, then it's impressive that Tyrone are there or thereabouts each year.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 02:14:01 AM
When one reads that, then it's impressive that Tyrone are there or thereabouts each year.
I made a point in the Ulster Colleges thread about Tyrone being a relatively very large county with a lot of in built advantages, applies double at county underage level, the volumes of numbers (& thus a better quality pick) are a different level to smaller counties with only Donegal in Ulster really comparable in numbers & size. Having said that the Armagh underage set up seems poor enough and Tyrone seems very professional.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2023, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 02:14:01 AM
When one reads that, then it's impressive that Tyrone are there or thereabouts each year.
I made a point in the Ulster Colleges thread about Tyrone being a relatively very large county with a lot of in built advantages, applies double at county underage level, the volumes of numbers (& thus a better quality pick) are a different level to smaller countries with only Donegal in Ulster really comparable in numbers & size. Having said that the Armagh underage set up seems poor enough and Tyrone seems very professional.
Armagh is a small county with too many clubs and too many of those clubs are small clubs; many of whom have to amalgamate at some or all age levels. Every year there's some new team thrown together that I've never heard of. There's even been a rake of clubs at junior level that have appeared and then fizzled out, why they were ever given the green light is beyond me. All the while the potential in the urban areas remains completely neglected.
Apart from the odd anomaly, it's the same clubs at underage doing all the heavy lifting. While I'm all for promoting our games, it doesn't lend itself to a good environment for producing good county teams at underage.
Schools wise you've two (maybe three depending on what St Paul's Bessbrook have coming through) mediocre schools at MacRory level. Yes there's St Colman's and Abbey but even they're not producing teams that can challenge. St Ronan's on size alone should be perennial challengers for MacRory honours.
Tyrone is virtually the opposite of Armagh in terms of numbers of clubs proportionate to the size of the county, standard of clubs, standard of schools, etc
Perhaps when the new centre of excellence is built Armagh will turn a corner at underage.
Quote from: general_lee on March 26, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2023, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 02:14:01 AM
When one reads that, then it's impressive that Tyrone are there or thereabouts each year.
I made a point in the Ulster Colleges thread about Tyrone being a relatively very large county with a lot of in built advantages, applies double at county underage level, the volumes of numbers (& thus a better quality pick) are a different level to smaller countries with only Donegal in Ulster really comparable in numbers & size. Having said that the Armagh underage set up seems poor enough and Tyrone seems very professional.
Armagh is a small county with too many clubs and too many of those clubs are small clubs; many of whom have to amalgamate at some or all age levels. Every year there's some new team thrown together that I've never heard of. There's even been a rake of clubs at junior level that have appeared and then fizzled out, why they were ever given the green light is beyond me. All the while the potential in the urban areas remains completely neglected.
Apart from the odd anomaly, it's the same clubs at underage doing all the heavy lifting. While I'm all for promoting our games, it doesn't lend itself to a good environment for producing good county teams at underage.
Schools wise you've two (maybe three depending on what St Paul's Bessbrook have coming through) mediocre schools at MacRory level. Yes there's St Colman's and Abbey but even they're not producing teams that can challenge. St Ronan's on size alone should be perennial challengers for MacRory honours.
Tyrone is virtually the opposite of Armagh in terms of numbers of clubs proportionate to the size of the county, standard of clubs, standard of schools, etc
Perhaps when the new centre of excellence is built Armagh will turn a corner at underage.
Where's the new COE being built at?
Tyrone had 308 registered underage football teams in 2022 while Armagh had 282.
Tyrone had the 12th hightest number of underage teams while Armagh had the 16th overall.
Not exactly a massive gap in the numbers to pick from.
The numbers in other Ulster counties.
Antrim 213
Cavan 296
Derry 268
Donegal 325
Down 298
Fermanagh 136
Monaghan 232
Fair to say Tyrone looking like serious over-achievers in terms of numbers and success.
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2023, 06:31:21 PM
Why are Armagh so poor at underage? They haven't challenged for a thing in the past decade +. Rarely reaching even semi-finals.
Since the All Ireland minor success of 2009 the record has been shocking at both underage grades. I'd say you could count on 2 hands the number of games we've won since then. I can't answer the question of why but whatever we're doing isn't working.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Tyrone had 308 registered underage football teams in 2022 while Armagh had 282.
Tyrone had the 12th hightest number of underage teams while Armagh had the 16th overall.
Not exactly a massive gap in the numbers to pick from.
The numbers in other Ulster counties.
Antrim 213
Cavan 296
Derry 268
Donegal 325
Down 298
Fermanagh 136
Monaghan 232
Fair to say Tyrone looking like serious over-achievers in terms of numbers and success.
I'd like to see the actual breakdown of that data. Armagh have 44 senior clubs, Tyrone have 53, a 17% difference in actual clubs, but it doesn't tell you the difference in sizes, memberships and most importantly quality.
Tyrone are undoubtedly doing a lot right at underage but i've always thought Derry are the real over achievers in underage county football in Ulster.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2023, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Tyrone had 308 registered underage football teams in 2022 while Armagh had 282.
Tyrone had the 12th hightest number of underage teams while Armagh had the 16th overall.
Not exactly a massive gap in the numbers to pick from.
The numbers in other Ulster counties.
Antrim 213
Cavan 296
Derry 268
Donegal 325
Down 298
Fermanagh 136
Monaghan 232
Fair to say Tyrone looking like serious over-achievers in terms of numbers and success.
I'd like to see the actual breakdown of that data. Armagh have 44 senior clubs, Tyrone have 53, a 17% difference in actual clubs, but it doesn't tell you the difference in sizes, memberships and most importantly quality.
Tyrone are undoubtedly doing a lot right at underage but i've always thought Derry are the real over achievers in underage county football in Ulster.
Those figures were taken from the GAA Annual Report which doesn't break it down any further.
Also these figures don't give the breakdown by age ranges which would tell if numbers are growing/stagnant or falling.
Not as simple as saying we are a small county. We're not huge but size isn't the issue! Doesn't explain why we can't get a win in a championship match at any underage level (or senior for that matter). Massively underperforming at underage.
A stupid way to compare counties. Cavan have a club atevery cross road for example, this list means nothing.
Derry got a shocking record at the U21/20 level. Only 1 All-Ireland win (1997) since 1968. 65 odd years. There do not have the same attitude to this age group as minor.Mostly likely due to no actual league at this level. Don't know the criteria for picking players, and not up in owenbeg but is the U20 training with the Senior team again this year? Otherwise I don't see how the players on the senior panel actually train/ drill with their own U-20 panel.
11 of that Derry team started and won the 2020 Minor All Ireland final. Eoin McEvoy would be a 12th is he injured or staying with the seniors?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsVOmbBWIAIETRq?format=jpg&name=small)
Strong line out that from Derry, with McEvoy still to come in
Would Ryan McNicholl be involved in that panel as well? he got a bad injury for the minors last year
I must have misunderstood the new rule, i thought Murray and Downey were cup tied as they played for the seniors on sunday past. I thought there was a 7 day rule
Quote from: God14 on March 29, 2023, 08:43:39 AM
Strong line out that from Derry, with McEvoy still to come in
Would Ryan McNicholl be involved in that panel as well? he got a bad injury for the minors last year
I must have misunderstood the new rule, i thought Murray and Downey were cup tied as they played for the seniors on sunday past. I thought there was a 7 day rule
Championship rule only is it not?
A few famous names in that Derry line up.
Sons of the 90s teams?
Quote from: God14 on March 29, 2023, 08:43:39 AM
Strong line out that from Derry, with McEvoy still to come in
Would Ryan McNicholl be involved in that panel as well? he got a bad injury for the minors last year
I must have misunderstood the new rule, i thought Murray and Downey were cup tied as they played for the seniors on sunday past. I thought there was a 7 day rule
McNicholl would have been involved surely. Was minor captain last year. He was a huge loss despite a great year for them.
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2023, 05:49:54 PM
A few famous names in that Derry line up.
Sons of the 90s teams?
Yassir x 3 afaik
Quarter final results which includes the Ulster and All Ireland champions Tyrone making their exit.
Tyrone 1-8 Down 2-9
Cavan 0-13 Monaghan 1-11
Donegal 0-9 Antrim 0-9 (extra time to be played)
Fermanagh 0-8 Derry 3-12
Semi final draw?
Big result in Omagh. V surprised to see that. Even when they went behind early on, I'd have expected them to recover.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 08:58:05 PM
Semi final draw?
Down v Monaghan
Derry v Antrim / Donegal
Played Wednesday 12th April 7:30 - not sure on venues could be neutral
Brilliant performance by Down
Quote from: Estimator on March 29, 2023, 09:00:21 PM
Big result in Omagh. V surprised to see that. Even when they went behind early on, I'd have expected them to recover.
Younger boys at the club earlier were saying that Down were going to win, and were all on them @ 7/1. Seems like they knew something
is tyrone out of all ireland aswell or is their a back door for u20
Donegal win 5-4 on penalties and go through to the Semi Finals!
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2023, 09:44:18 PM
is tyrone out of all ireland aswell or is their a back door for u20
They are out , it's straight knockout
The Tyrone result is a big shock. One of the favs for the All-Ireland out in 1st round.
Who would be favourites for Ulster now?
Quote from: ck on March 29, 2023, 10:51:27 PM
The Tyrone result is a big shock. One of the favs for the All-Ireland out in 1st round.
Who would be favourites for Ulster now?
Derry and as i stated yesterday they had 11 of their 2020 Minor All Ireland winners on their current U20 team.
And two injured in McAvoy and Brady, both certs when fit
Quote from: ck on March 29, 2023, 10:51:27 PM
The Tyrone result is a big shock. One of the favs for the All-Ireland out in 1st round.
Who would be favourites for Ulster now?
Derry would have been favorites before the Tyrone exit even. Derry won all the Ulster competitions at this age group coming up (Buncrana Cup etc) and then won the All Ireland minor. I'm not one to be bigging us up usually and anything can happen on any given day but anyone who's been involved with or kept an eye on this age group knows that.
Quote from: Rawhide on March 29, 2023, 11:39:16 PM
And two injured in McAvoy and Brady, both certs when fit
Has Brady developed much post minor? Not sure on that. Forbes is a star in the making at LHB (Bradys position at minor).
Monaghan v Down will be an interesting semi-final. Huge result by Down to knock Tyrone out. Monaghan have started slowly in their games against Cavan and Armagh. But reeled both in and the longer the games went on they looked like the more likely winner. Both Armagh and Cavan will regret kicking a shit load of wides in the first half of both games when they were a few points up. Both if they were more clinical really could have killed Monaghan off. But this Monaghan team are a tenacious bunch with 4 or 5 superb talents (especially Mooney up front). Derry still favourites and I expect them to win their semi-final handy enough.
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Think the same minor team was something similar, lost out to Fermanagh from memory.
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Must be some sort of record that. Burren could easily become the main force in Ulster over the next few years.
Think every team should raise the white flag and let Derry walk.
That full forward line is scary
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2023, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Must be some sort of record that. Burren could easily become the main force in Ulster over the next few years.
Another from Burren on panel but carrying an injury. This squad at minor level were let down by their management team.
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2023, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Must be some sort of record that. Burren could easily become the main force in Ulster over the next few years.
Another from Burren on panel but carrying an injury. This squad at minor level were let down by their management team.
How many are on the Down senior squad? Murdock in midfield?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2023, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
Don't recall Cross ever having 10/11 on a county squad with 8 on the starting team. With respect to both Antrim or Carlow, I don't think either would ever have been at the level of being capable of dethroning the current AI champions either.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 30, 2023, 10:43:45 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2023, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2023, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Must be some sort of record that. Burren could easily become the main force in Ulster over the next few years.
Another from Burren on panel but carrying an injury. This squad at minor level were let down by their management team.
How many are on the Down senior squad? Murdock in midfield?
there's a few in senior squad as well, Liam kerr and Odhran Murdock would be nailed on starters, there's also Peter fegan, Ryan magill, Danny magill and Patrick McCarthy who have all featured at different times in the league
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2023, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2023, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
Don't recall Cross ever having 10/11 on a county squad with 8 on the starting team. With respect to both Antrim or Carlow, I don't think either would ever have been at the level of being capable of dethroning the current AI champions either.
Aged defined groups are different, yes Tyrone were the current champions of last year but that means a batch of lads can't play so there for not the same team nor dethroning the AI champions, with respect ;)
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Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2023, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
Don't recall Cross ever having 10/11 on a county squad with 8 on the starting team. With respect to both Antrim or Carlow, I don't think either would ever have been at the level of being capable of dethroning the current AI champions either.
Aged defined groups are different, yes Tyrone were the current champions of last year but that means a batch of lads can't play so there for not the same team nor dethroning the AI champions, with respect ;)
That's a fair point it's not the same side but I'd say Tyrone are still fairly competitive and among the top sides in the competition so to go and win in Omagh is no mean feat for them. I suppose time will tell on the relative strength of this Down side but I would expect to see a Down v Derry final which will be the litmus test for them.
How many have Tyrone on the team from last year? Still a mighty result for Down whatever the context.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2023, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
I'm pretty sure that Cross never had so many on an underage team. In Armagh, underage teams often have a spread of clubs, Cross just doesn't lose as many in the transition to senior.
Quote from: IronMike247 on March 30, 2023, 12:23:51 PM
How many have Tyrone on the team from last year? Still a mighty result for Down whatever the context.
Last year All Ireland final team.
S McMenamin,
M Rafferty, B Conway, E Corry,
J Donaghy S Donaghy, N Devlin
R McHugh C Daly
C Cush C Bogue
R Canavan S O'Donnell, M McGleenan, D Muldoon.
Subs brought on
G Potter, F Taggart, S Daly, L Donnelly, L McGarrity.
Team last night
C McAneney;
M Rafferty, E McCaffrey, B Hughes;
G Potter, F Taggart, B Cullen;
R McHugh, F Hayes;
C Cush, O Gormley,
R Canavan;
S O'Donnell, O Miller, R Cassidy.
Subs:
J Donaghy, E McElholm, S O'Hare, O Brolly, C Daly
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Quote from: IronMike247 on March 30, 2023, 12:23:51 PM
How many have Tyrone on the team from last year? Still a mighty result for Down whatever the context.
Last year All Ireland final team.
S McMenamin,
M Rafferty, B Conway, E Corry,
J Donaghy S Donaghy, N Devlin
R McHugh C Daly
C Cush C Bogue R Canavan
S O'Donnell, M McGleenan, D Muldoon.
Subs brought on G Potter, F Taggart, S Daly, L Donnelly, L McGarrity.
Team last night
C McAneney;
M Rafferty, E McCaffrey, B Hughes;
G Potter, F Taggart, B Cullen;
R McHugh, F Hayes;
C Cush, O Gormley, R Canavan;
S O'Donnell, O Miller, R Cassidy.
Subs: J Donaghy, E McElholm, S O'Hare, O Brolly, C Daly
Different C Daly, Ciaran played last year Callum came on last night.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 30, 2023, 05:48:07 PM
Different C Daly, Ciaran played last year Callum came on last night.
Fair enough, edited corrected.
Rory Gallagher unhappy that Derry have five U20s in their squad who will be ineligible against Fermanagh in the Senior championship if named in Derry's U20 squad this week v Donegal.
That's a very bad situation and stupid rule too. McAvoy def start with Downey, Murray likely to come off the bench, he's to be annoyed. Panel thin already plus a few men injured. Do you keep the players and cause the U-20 team a lost when they could win a Ulster?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:49:34 PM
That's a very bad situation and stupid rule too. McAvoy def start with Downey, Murray likely to come off the bench, he's to be annoyed. Panel thin already plus a few men injured. Do you keep the players and cause the U-20 team a lost when they could win a Ulster?
Why has he 5 U20 players on his panel?
You'd think there'd be another 5 seasoned lads who would do a job in the senior squad.
Derry should get over the line V Fermanagh but shouldn't need lads who are 18, 19 and 20 to do it.
As stated before, he should have used a few more players during the league. Be interesting to see the varying amounts of players used in the different divisions throughout the league.
Derry will play Donegal this Saturday 8th in owenbeg, match has been brought forward. Down have home advantage against Monaghan in the other semi next Wednesday 12th
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 11:54:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:49:34 PM
That's a very bad situation and stupid rule too. McAvoy def start with Downey, Murray likely to come off the bench, he's to be annoyed. Panel thin already plus a few men injured. Do you keep the players and cause the U-20 team a lost when they could win a Ulster?
Why has he 5 U20 players on his panel?
You'd think there'd be another 5 seasoned lads who would do a job in the senior squad.
Derry should get over the line V Fermanagh but shouldn't need lads who are 18, 19 and 20 to do it.
As stated before, he should have used a few more players during the league. Be interesting to see the varying amounts of players used in the different divisions throughout the league.
Waldorf and Statler, you pair should be down in Owenbeg offering your services to Gallagher and his management team. Be a fairly safe bet men that Gallagher, a proven winner who leaves no stone unturned doesn't have the very best players onboard who are able / willing to commit.
From Div 4 to Div 1, Ulster champs and able to go toe to toe with pretty much any team in the land. But what does Gallagher know?
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Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 11:54:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:49:34 PM
That's a very bad situation and stupid rule too. McAvoy def start with Downey, Murray likely to come off the bench, he's to be annoyed. Panel thin already plus a few men injured. Do you keep the players and cause the U-20 team a lost when they could win a Ulster?
Why has he 5 U20 players on his panel?
You'd think there'd be another 5 seasoned lads who would do a job in the senior squad.
Derry should get over the line V Fermanagh but shouldn't need lads who are 18, 19 and 20 to do it.
As stated before, he should have used a few more players during the league. Be interesting to see the varying amounts of players used in the different divisions throughout the league.
Waldorf and Statler, you pair should be down in Owenbeg offering your services to Gallagher and his management team. Be a fairly safe bet men that Gallagher, a proven winner who leaves no stone unturned doesn't have the very best players onboard who are able / willing to commit.
From Div 4 to Div 1, Ulster champs and able to go toe to toe with pretty much any team in the land. But what does Gallagher know?
+1
Derry v Donegal semi final tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMvewW1_ZCg
Down v Monaghan semi final on Wednesday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0cwGxHYi8o
Some dive by No.17 for Donegal.
Derry not exciting themselves against a very poor Donegal side
Donegal are hugely disappointing Derry will be happy enough with that performance considering Murray and McEvoy are both missing!
Higgins and McCullagh both going well.
Donegal are now 8pts down, and played 15men behind the ball the whole game when they are behind.
There literally should be about 15pts in it, game been that 1 sided.
FT Derry 0-11 Donegal 0-5. Back in February Derry beat Donegal by 5 in the Leo Murphy Cup Development League that form carried through today.
Just can't understand the logic of Donegal under 20s today , down by 5or 6points in the second half playing as defensive as they did
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
His granda is a Tyrone man who moved to Corlacky. His uncle Joe would have been a mainstay of the Swatragh team of the 90s.
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Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
His granda is a Tyrone man who moved to Corlacky. His uncle Joe would have been a mainstay of the Swatragh team of the 90s.
Didn't know he was related to big Joe , first time I saw him play ,he was very impressive
Some size o men up round Swa these days, what they feedin them...
It's a very big Derry U-20 team
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 06:15:08 PM
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
For me, he was the stand out when they won the minor title, some talent.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 09, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
Some size o men up round Swa these days, what they feedin them...
No idea, they ran me out round the turn of the century because I was only 6' 2".
Well, there may have been other reasons.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
His granda is a Tyrone man who moved to Corlacky. His uncle Joe would have been a mainstay of the Swatragh team of the 90s.
Ah big Joe, an oul classmate
Not a bad player either, just seemed to lose interest after minor
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
His granda is a Tyrone man who moved to Corlacky. His uncle Joe would have been a mainstay of the Swatragh team of the 90s.
Ah big Joe, an oul classmate
Not a bad player either, just seemed to lose interest after minor
Lot of injuries, including cruciate iirc. Still had a long career with us. Captain in 1993 when we got to senior final.
Didn't realise Joe was captain in 93
But for injuries and a bit more commitment from your no.8, the swa could've had the mcgilligan tohill combination at club level
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 09, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
Some size o men up round Swa these days, what they feedin them...
No idea, they ran me out round the turn of the century because I was only 6' 2".
Well, there may have been other reasons.
Theres a story there lol. Tell all Champion yer among friends here 😉😁
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Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 09, 2023, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 09, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
Some size o men up round Swa these days, what they feedin them...
No idea, they ran me out round the turn of the century because I was only 6' 2".
Well, there may have been other reasons.
Theres a story there lol. Tell all Champion yer among friends here 😉😁
I was posting shite on internet message boards.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 09, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 06:15:08 PM
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
For me, he was the stand out when they won the minor title, some talent.
Christ no. Downey and Murray.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 09, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 06:15:08 PM
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
For me, he was the stand out when they won the minor title, some talent.
Christ no. Downey and Murray.
Doherty was good that year too many of the match in the Ulster and all Ireland final from memory
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 10:16:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 09, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 06:15:08 PM
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
For me, he was the stand out when they won the minor title, some talent.
Christ no. Downey and Murray.
Doherty was good that year too many of the match in the Ulster and all Ireland final from memory
Yeah he was excellent. Very brave player
Down leading Monaghan 1-10 to 0-5 at half time. Down on top all over the field and should be further ahead, brilliant goal by oisin savage. Monaghan depending on frees to get their scores
Down 1-17 Monaghan 1-9 ft, Down through to play Derry in the final. Comfortable win for Down, match was over long before the final whistle
Any idea of date for final? I'm assuming Omagh as venue
Quote from: snoopdog on April 12, 2023, 10:54:06 PM
Any idea of date for final? I'm assuming Omagh as venue
Athletic Grounds??
Final down for next Weds - 26th. Would it not be better next Sunday even. Allow lads to play. Murdock and McEvoy the two main players likely to lose out. Silly.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 19, 2023, 08:34:30 PM
Final down for next Weds - 26th. Would it not be better next Sunday even. Allow lads to play. Murdock and McEvoy the two main players likely to lose out. Silly.
plus it would get a bigger crowd, Wednesday night is no night for an Ulster final.
Athletic Grounds confirmed as the venue with a 7.30pm start time
Down senior panel named, and despite the report in the Irish News, Murdoch will be available for the U20s as he is not in the 26.
even next friday would be better.
Quote from: Estimator on April 21, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
Down senior panel named, and despite the report in the Irish News, Murdoch will be available for the U20s as he is in the 26.
I don't think Murdock is in the 26
Right who's winning it. Derry likely to be missing 2 best players. Down at full strength?
Derry the stronger team at full strength. McAvoy def not start, probably either, Murray. Downey I wouldn't be sure about.
Can you be on the subs, not come on, and still be able to play on Saturday?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2023, 09:50:04 PM
Can you be on the subs, not come on, and still be able to play on Saturday?
I think so. According to this piece in Irish news.
' If those players were to play any part in the Ulster U20 semi-final against Donegal next Wednesday night, either starting or as a substitute, they would be rendered ineligible for Derry seniors' game against Fermanagh next Saturday.
The motion passed at Congress in February had read that a player involved with the county's U20s may only play senior championship "in each seven-day period (Friday morning to the following Thursday night). Coming on as a substitute constitutes playing a game." '
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/04/04/news/no_plans_to_revisit_u20_ruling_say_gaa-3183534/
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 24, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
Right who's winning it. Derry likely to be missing 2 best players. Down at full strength?
Bookies have Derry odds on 10/11. +1 handicap. Down on a good run though and creating lots of goal chances. Looking forward to it.
Bookies don't know the inside track. Mc Avoy nor Murray playing due to the senior semi final on Saturday. Changes everything. Another Gaa balls up that is easy to remedy. i.e. they could play two games in a week for one week.
Quote from: shawshank on April 25, 2023, 01:46:02 PM
Bookies don't know the inside track. Mc Avoy nor Murray playing due to the senior semi final on Saturday. Changes everything. Another Gaa balls up that is easy to remedy. i.e. they could play two games in a week for one week.
Ha! Bookies always know the inside track. Very few Barney Curley moves get past them now.
Is the final on Ulster TV?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2023, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on April 25, 2023, 07:36:47 PM
Is the final on Ulster TV?
Assume tg4 YouTube?
https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1650817164012560385
TG4 TV channel
Apparently Down captain Ryan Magill is out injured for the Derry game. Played very well in the division 3 nfl matched for the seniors. Would be a considerable loss for the u20s.
Murray and McEvoy not listed for tomorrow night.
PP have Derry 6/5 outsiders and Bet365 8/11 favs... who knows 🤷♂️
Funny I would listed Murray at least, and possible use Murray as a last resort. I suppose what more important, making a senior Ulster final, where based on the last game he maybe play 5-10mins .possible Losing a, U-20 final or actually lose both.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 25, 2023, 10:52:27 PM
Funny I would listed Murray at least, and possible use Murray as a last resort. I suppose what more important, making a senior Ulster final, where based on the last game he maybe play 5-10mins .possible Losing a, U-20 final or actually lose both.
I'd let all U20s play in the U20 final. Plenty of time for them to play for the seniors including this year with the upcoming group stage.
Total short termism from Gallagher. No consideration for the players in this team and what winning this does do to their county self belief for the future. All about his own position and one game in a few days time.
Quote from: shawshank on April 26, 2023, 10:14:29 AM
Total short termism from Gallagher. No consideration for the players in this team and what winning this does do to their county self belief for the future. All about his own position and one game in a few days time.
Probably shows the difference in having an 'inside' and an 'outside' manager. If Down win the u20's and Derry win an Ulster senior championship have both managers made the right call?
I only saw the Derry 1st 15 named so details of the wider panel, and no info regarding the Down team at all.
The Derry lads in question could yet be named in the 26 and the few changes before throw in take place.
I'm only going of the Derry twitter page so apologies if the 26 have been named elsewhere.
At elite sport level (which let's face it GAA is) a talented u18 or u20 that's good enough for seniors would play seniors. If it came to it who would Evan Ferguson play for? Ireland seniors or underage. I reckon seniors every day.
Quote from: ardtole on April 26, 2023, 10:45:55 AM
I only saw the Derry 1st 15 named so details of the wider panel, and no info regarding the Down team at all.
The Derry lads in question could yet be named in the 26 and the few changes before throw in take place.
I'm only going of the Derry twitter page so apologies if the 26 have been named elsewhere.
Both teams only named 24 in the programme.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
At elite sport level (which let's face it GAA is) a talented u18 or u20 that's good enough for seniors would play seniors. If it came to it who would Evan Ferguson play for? Ireland seniors or underage. I reckon seniors every day.
a medal is not to be sniffed at
not too many chances for guys to win them
Underage football is about producing players. It's not a win at all costs mentality. Senior football is. Especially in Derry where our Ulster champ record is pitiful.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
At elite sport level (which let's face it GAA is) a talented u18 or u20 that's good enough for seniors would play seniors. If it came to it who would Evan Ferguson play for? Ireland seniors or underage. I reckon seniors every day.
Like David Clifford did.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 12:43:29 PM
Underage football is about producing players. It's not a win at all costs mentality. Senior football is. Especially in Derry where our Ulster champ record is pitiful.
That's it. In general i'm happy we seem to have a series of very strong underage teams coming through (regardless of winning it or not). This can only help to supplement the senior side if we want to cement ourselves as one of the better sides in the country in the coming years.
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2023, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
You only have to look at club football in Derry to know there should be enough players aged 21 to early 30s to fill in for any teenagers until the U20 championship is over. Something is fundamentally wrong if you are relying on those young lads to win championship matches and Sunday isn't a knock out tie.
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Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2023, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
You only have to look at club football in Derry to know there should be enough players aged 21 to early 30s to fill in for any teenagers until the U20 championship is over. Something is fundamentally wrong if you are relying on those young lads to win championship matches and Sunday isn't a knock out tie.
Right, so you have a age limit, no younger than 21. What about Monaghan in the their senior game, what nobody older than 33? Must be Monaghan men aged 33 and under and not have to be relying on older men. Every county has to cut their cloth accordingly at any given time ,
obviously!
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
You only have to look at club football in Derry to know there should be enough players aged 21 to early 30s to fill in for any teenagers until the U20 championship is over. Something is fundamentally wrong if you are relying on those young lads to win championship matches and Sunday isn't a knock out tie.
Right, so you have a age limit, no younger than 21. What about Monaghan in the their senior game, what nobody older than 33? Must be Monaghan men aged 33 and under and not have to be relying on older men. Every county has to cut their cloth accordingly at any given time , obviously!
And i was the one blethering..
Should Derry reach the AI final in the U20 championship it will be finished two weeks before Derrys All-Ireland senior group stage commences. I think with that in mind i think any U20s on the senior panel should be allowed to play for the U20s
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
You only have to look at club football in Derry to know there should be enough players aged 21 to early 30s to fill in for any teenagers until the U20 championship is over. Something is fundamentally wrong if you are relying on those young lads to win championship matches and Sunday isn't a knock out tie.
If you actually knew anything about Derry club football you would realise that infact the players in that age bracket aren't there. Gallagher trawled the county when he took over and many players didn't stick around. Slaughtneil have dominated for a long time and Glen are now taking over that mantle. Below that is Marafelt and Lavey then the drop off is vast! It's not like Derry club football of the 90s with 5-6 top sides. We don't have the depth of Tyrone or Armagh. That will change in the next few years but for now we need 1-2 excellent 19 year olds.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
I'm fairly sure that Sean O'Shea would also have been the age for that 2018 Kerry U20 team but played for seniors instead.
Clifford was also u20 in 2019 ( he never played a single game for the Kerry U20s)
Mark O'Connor was also kept with the seniors in 2017, but never played a minute.
Jack O'Connor was manager in 2018 and there was a fair bit of grumbling about it after Kidare beat them by 2.
Derry won the Ulster U20 title in 2018, Ulster Minor (U18) titles in 2015,2017 how many of those players are currently on the senior panel? All of those players would be aged 23 to 26 now. Around that time Derry also reached and lost a few other underage Ulster finals.
I can understand resting McEvoy because of his importance to the Senior team. Largely due to his position what what Derry needs right now. but I really believe Lachlan Murray should be out there tonight. a player with his talent can be enough to win a game at this level and it doesnt look like he's expected to play a large role against Monaghan is it? a bit of game time tonight could only be good for the lad.
Can the game be streamed anywhere?
Ref very sore on Derry here should have had at least 2 scoreable frees already!
Proper 'modern' game of football so far...
15 minutes played Down 0-1 Derry 0-2
Ref letting things go at the minute. No handy frees being given.
Handy free there for Derry. Ref fell for the old hold onto the arm and fall tactic.
Half time Down 0-4 Derry 0-6.
45 minutes played Down 0-8 Derry 0-9. Down had a few goal chances, via a poor kick out and no keeper in goal.
Quote from: grounded on April 26, 2023, 08:00:28 PM
Handy free there for Derry. Ref fell for the old hold onto the arm and fall tactic.
Being repaid in full this half
Goal for Down. They lead 1-9 to 0-9 51 mins on the clock.
Down man slipped and took the Derry man in a scoreable position out. No free. How does that work?
How was that not a free to Derry too? McCullagh obviously dragged back.
Ref certainly seems to be sore on Derry. The overturned sideline ball was v strange as well.
Game over I can't see how we get a goal... referee not great but Down's senior man made the difference!
A second goal for Down. 2-10 to 0-9.
They can't mark Murdock I think. Down better but ref hasn't been kind to Derry. Really think Derry should have been playing Murray and mcevoy.
Big Murdock a great player. Savage a handful too. Down deserved it even if I thought the ref was harsh on Derry.
Congrats to Down a 2nd Ulster U20 title in 3 years. Full time Down 2-11 Derry 0-9. As for Derry fell away badly after 40 minutes when they led 0-9 to 0-6.
Very honest interview by Conor Laverty. on the 4 Down senior players on tonight's U20 team. "We asked the players which match they wanted to play and took on board their opinions" He feels the GAA have got it wrong and these players should be allowed to play both grades.
Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.
From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.
Quote from: Estimator on April 26, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.
From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.
Was reading the match report from their minor game. 4 scores from 20 shots. fermagah 10 scores from 11.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 26, 2023, 08:49:37 PM
Congrats to Down a 2nd Ulster U20 title in 3 years. Full time Down 2-11 Derry 0-9. As for Derry fell away badly after 40 minutes when they led 0-9 to 0-6.
Very honest interview by Conor Laverty. on the 4 Down senior players on tonight's U20 team. "We asked the players which match they wanted to play and took on board their opinions" He feels the GAA have got it wrong and these players should be allowed to play both grades.
Yes absolutely and the same with the Derry manager. Interesting what he said as regards the Derry u20 hurlers and the contradictions that seem to be there in the rules. You always want to see the 2 best teams fight it out with their best players on display. Dissapointing for Derry.
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:13:22 PM
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.
Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 26, 2023, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:13:22 PM
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.
Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.
No question the best team won. Thought he was very harsh on us but maybe that's rose tinted glasses on. Who you play now?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 10:53:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 26, 2023, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:13:22 PM
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.
Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.
No question the best team won. Thought he was very harsh on us but maybe that's rose tinted glasses on. Who you play now?
All Ireland semi finals
Down v Kildare
Kerry v Sligo
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 12:43:29 PM
Underage football is about producing players. It's not a win at all costs mentality. Senior football is. Especially in Derry where our Ulster champ record is pitiful.
Maybe in professional sport it is, but in gaa it's a lot more than that. Great if you can develop and get players to come through to play senior, but for the majority playing in that game tonight, going on to win an all Ireland u20 in croker would almost certainly be the pinnacle of their Gaelic football career. Another all Ireland success at this level would be a fine achievement for the county, it's not as if either county is stacked with medals at any grade and underage success is important in the development of younger players, probably more so when they get such limited game time at senior level.
As someone else mentioned, with the amount of championship action to come this year, getting a few full length quality games under their belts might stand to them better than a few mins towards the end of a couple of games
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Did both teams play their U20s?
Well Naturally enough it was an U20 match so yes the U20s played. However I assume you mean did both teams play their Senior panellists. Down did but Derry didn't play Eoin McEvoy or Lachlan Murray.
Quote from: onefineday on April 27, 2023, 12:57:26 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 12:43:29 PM
Underage football is about producing players. It's not a win at all costs mentality. Senior football is. Especially in Derry where our Ulster champ record is pitiful.
Maybe in professional sport it is, but in gaa it's a lot more than that. Great if you can develop and get players to come through to play senior, but for the majority playing in that game tonight, going on to win an all Ireland u20 in croker would almost certainly be the pinnacle of their Gaelic football career. Another all Ireland success at this level would be a fine achievement for the county, it's not as if either county is stacked with medals at any grade and underage success is important in the development of younger players, probably more so when they get such limited game time at senior level.
As someone else mentioned, with the amount of championship action to come this year, getting a few full length quality games under their belts might stand to them better than a few mins towards the end of a couple of games
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We'll agree to disagree.
Quote from: Estimator on April 26, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.
From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.
Covid 19 pandemic ?
Our Minors squeezed past Sligo on a Stephens Day so wet and windy you wouldn't put a wild animal out in it never mind 16 year old gasúns.
Sligo obviously had a coaching and development system for those lads afterwards and it showed this year as they bet us and the other 2 big dogs!
One thing struck me watching some of the game last night .... the 7 step rule was being used!
Many of those Down players involved in the win 2 years ago?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 27, 2023, 10:07:07 AM
Many of those Down players involved in the win 2 years ago?
Ryan Magill, Paddy McCarthy and Ordhran Murdock all started 2 years ago
How many of last night's team started in the minors v Fermanagh 2 years ago?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 10:53:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 26, 2023, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:13:22 PM
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.
Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.
No question the best team won. Thought he was very harsh on us but maybe that's rose tinted glasses on. Who you play now?
I thought Derry came down the harsher side of the decisions, but similarly didn't feel it influenced the result. That said, I actually quite liked how he went about refereeing the game, he had very little sympathy for the ball carrier and gave nothing easy, he was consistent about that too. It goes against the grain nowadays where referees tend to blow for slight contact, so I can see how it infuriated some.
By my reckoning it was the 53rd minute until Derry delivered a foot pass inside to the FF line (discounting a nice threaded pass to the full back who made a clever run inside in first half.) They seemed extremely risk averse even in their running game.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
How many of last night's team started in the minors v Fermanagh 2 years ago?
By the looks of it 8 involved in both games for Down, and from Derry there was an overlap of 12 players from last night and the 2020 AI Final.
2023Down: Oisín Treacy;
Fiachra McAvoy, Patrick McCarthy, Finn Murdock; Thomas Hardy,
Ryan Magill,
James Kelly; Odhran Murdock (1-01), Tom McCarroll; Tiarnan Ryan,
Oran Cunningham, Harry Magill;
Oisín Savage (0-08, 0-05f, 0-01m), Jason Morgan,
Callum Rodgers (0-01)
Subs: Jamie Doran (1-01) for Ryan (23), Cian Cunningham for R Magill (ht), Cormac Greene for McCarroll (55),
Eoin Loughran for Savage (58), Senan Carr for O Cunningham (59)
2020Down: C Grant,
F McEvoy, P McCarthy, L Guinness,
J Kelly, R Magill, E McKernan,
O Murdock, J Howlett, N Toner (1-1),
O Cunningham, O Savage (0-2), T McCartan, Z Murdock,
C Rodgers.Subs: E Loughran for Howlett, W Kelly for J Kelly
As a comparison
2023Derry: B O'Connor; J Murray,
J McDermott (0-1),
L Brady; P McGurk, D Gilmore, R Forbes;
D Higgins, P O'Kane; P McCullagh (0-1),
C Diamond (0-3, 2f),
M Doherty (0-2);
M Downey (0-1, f),
N O'Donnell (0-1), R O Mianain.
Subs:
C Downey for O Mianan, S Deehan for O'Kane, N McGonigle for Doherty
2020Derry: Kian McGonigle;
Patrick McGurk, Lee Brady, Adam McGonigle;
Donncha Gilmore, Eoin McEvoy, Connor Sheils;
Dan Higgins, Patrick O'Kane; Jody McDermott, Matthew Downey, Mark Doherty; Niall O'Donnell, Lachlan Murray,
Charlie Diamond.Subs:
Callum Downey for Dan Higgins (30+1 mins – half time, blood sub), Callum Downey for Charlie Diamond (38 mins), Jude Moore for Adam McGonigle (49 mins),
Peter McCullagh for Lachlan Murray (61 mins).
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Quote from: Estimator on April 26, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.
From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.
Covid 19 pandemic ?
CV19 definitely a big factor - from memory that game was played at height of it.
There were several Down players isolating in the run up to the game.
Also the stop/start nature of competition that year was disheartening for the players. I remember at the time motivation was hard to maintain for the players - even if you won the match there was a lot of doubt at the time whether the competition would proceed any further.
Very depressing time looking back.
Plus it was one of those days where nothing clicked on the field for Down - happens sometimes.
I'm sure Fermanagh might have had a lot of the same issues going on, but on the day they got their tactics right (very defensive set up- forced Down into a lot of low percentage shooting) and got the result.
Apologies if wrong page but how does the minors work now after group stage? Top 2 in each group into semis or group winners meet in final?
Is the final before the senior game in clones?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 29, 2023, 09:15:54 PM
Apologies if wrong page but how does the minors work now after group stage? Top 2 in each group into semis or group winners meet in final?
Is the final before the senior game in clones?
8 teams in qf. Only bottom team in 5 team group eliminated.
Starts this weekend. Group format instead of knock out. Tier 2 competitions for more game for every team.
Round 1 – Sat 9th March
Section A
Antrim v Tyrone at Dunsilly
Down v Derry at Páirc Esler
(Monaghan Bye)
Section B
Cavan v Donegal at Kingspan Breffni (March 13th for that game)
Fermanagh v Armagh at St Josephs Park, Ederney
Round 2 – Wed 20th March
Section A
Tyrone v Down at Healy Park
Monaghan v Antrim at Castleblayney
(Derry Bye)
Round 3 – Wed 27th March
Section A
Down v Monaghan at Páirc Esler
Derry v Tyrone at Owenbeg
(Antrim Bye)
Section B
Armagh v Cavan at Athletic Grounds
Donegal v Fermanagh at Ballybofey
Round 4 – Wed 3rd April
Section A
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Section A
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Section B
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
U20FC Quarter Finals – Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
U20FC Semi Finals – Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
U20FC Final – Wed 1st / Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Tier 2 (Draw to take place between three teams after group stages)
Semi Final – Mon 22nd April
Team that did not qualify V One of QF Losers
Final – Mon 29th April
SF Winner V 3rd Team
Tier 1 & Tier 2
All-Ireland Semi Finals on 11/12 May
Tyrone favorites for Ulster and All Ireland? Still survivors from 2022 team and rest made up of the recent school successes. The new format should also suit them as they can't be caught out on the first day out.
Seen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
Quote from: God14 on March 07, 2024, 01:49:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
With a bit to spare, but very competitive, just Dublin were more clinical with the goal chances.. Just a challenge game and you'd take nothing from that of course, but teams are at different stages in their prep and its all about the championship
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
Probably plenty of the Dublin 2022 minor team on that U20 team. They won Leinster before losing narrowly to the All-Ireland champions to be Galway.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 07, 2024, 02:22:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
Probably plenty of the Dublin 2022 minor team on that U20 team. They won Leinster before losing narrowly to the All-Ireland champions to be Galway.
Derry lost to the same Galway team by 1pt in the all Ireland semi-final that year too.
Quote from: God14 on March 07, 2024, 01:49:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
Don't know if struggled is the right term. They lost a first round game by 1pt after leading most of the game. Straight knock out, so that was that.
They also played about 1 week after winning the previous year's all Ireland minor, with same management team, so preparation was unlikely to be the best and iirc a few key lads were covid isolating too.
Quote from: onefineday on March 08, 2024, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: God14 on March 07, 2024, 01:49:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
Don't know if struggled is the right term. They lost a first round game by 1pt after leading most of the game. Straight knock out, so that was that.
They also played about 1 week after winning the previous year's all Ireland minor, with same management team, so preparation was unlikely to be the best and iirc a few key lads were covid isolating too.
So Derry are hot favourite for todays game v Down in Newry?
Are any games in Ulster streamed today?
Down v Derry on Ulster gaa tv
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Quote from: snoopdog on March 09, 2024, 08:46:56 AMQuote from: onefineday on March 08, 2024, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: God14 on March 07, 2024, 01:49:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
Don't know if struggled is the right term. They lost a first round game by 1pt after leading most of the game. Straight knock out, so that was that.
They also played about 1 week after winning the previous year's all Ireland minor, with same management team, so preparation was unlikely to be the best and iirc a few key lads were covid isolating too.
So Derry are hot favourite for todays game v Down in Newry?
Indeed they were. Hammering Down.
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Good jases!!
Will Antrim be the next Kilkenny?
Down 1-9
Derry 2-14
Fermanagh 0-7
Armagh 1-10
Tyrone not even the decency to keep it at Austin 3:16!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 09, 2024, 03:53:27 PMTyrone not even the decency to keep it at Austin 3:16!!
What?
There's just no excuse for the state of football in Antrim.
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2024, 05:32:31 PMThere's just no excuse for the state of football in Antrim.
Shocking scoreline, Tyrone could not beat a decent cub team by that margin.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2024, 01:20:02 AMQuote from: Itchy on March 09, 2024, 05:32:31 PMThere's just no excuse for the state of football in Antrim.
Shocking scoreline, Tyrone could not beat a decent cub team by that margin.
At the same age group? They absolutely would.
As shocking as it is, it's a top end team v a bottom end team. Dublin put 4-30 past Laois in last year's Leinster championship and could have had 8 goals had they wanted.
What would Kerry do to Waterford if they wanted?
I'm not defending the state of football in our county btw.
Tyrone have been the best at all levels in Ulster over the last 20 odd years. And that comes from the massive work put in at underage. I don't believe they have many better players than the likes of Armagh,Derry, Donegal or Down but they have a much better coaching set up. They are years ahead of the rest. Only Derry look to be getting there.
They not a bigger pick also from clubs
Quote from: snoopdog on March 10, 2024, 09:02:44 AMTyrone have been the best at all levels in Ulster over the last 20 odd years. And that comes from the massive work put in at underage. I don't believe they have many better players than the likes of Armagh,Derry, Donegal or Down but they have a much better coaching set up. They are years ahead of the rest. Only Derry look to be getting there.
And that has brought one all Ireland from 2008 onwards.Tyrone do well at underage but seem to bring through alot of players of similar ability rather than generational talents.
In the last 20 years;
Dublin have won 7 Leinster minor titles and 18 Leinster senior titles.
Tyrone have won 8 Ulster minor titles and 6 Ulster senior titles.
I don't know what that tells you, if anything, but I thought it was an interesting stat.
Tells u how bad Leinster senior is for a start.
Why is it when their minor isn't bad?
How are the Dubs kicking on so much after 18?
I know lots of people point to the deck being stacked in their favour in terms of population, financially etc but I wonder why that isn't so evident at minor but completely explodes after it.
They got about 32 senior teams in a 1a and 1b league but only 1a qualify for senior championship as you limit 16. So, they got a massive pick.
I'm not saying that those factors aren't true. I'm just wondering why they aren't presenting themselves as clearly at minor level as they are at senior.
For example, I imagine their pick at minor level is completely enormous in comparison to the other Leinster counties.
It's an interesting point. Senior clubs having very professional setups helps and the standard of the Dublin championship helps. A great team that they just need to drip feed a few players into year on year helps. A manager like gavin helps. The demise of Meath and Kildare has helped though I think they have expedited and compounded it. There are boys currently playing that they won't be able to replace but there's a few years in them yet. Leinster teams have got themselves to such a low ebb I imagine they will dominate it for a long while.
I honestly think Tyrone don't have the right senior setup in place and should challenging for the ai.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2024, 10:14:21 PMIt's an interesting point. Senior clubs having very professional setups helps and the standard of the Dublin championship helps. A great team that they just need to drip feed a few players into year on year helps. A manager like gavin helps. The demise of Meath and Kildare has helped though I think they have expedited and compounded it. There are boys currently playing that they won't be able to replace but there's a few years in them yet. Leinster teams have got themselves to such a low ebb I imagine they will dominate it for a long while.
I honestly think Tyrone don't have the right senior setup in place and should challenging for the ai.
The problem the Tyrone management created for themselves was by winning the AI in their first season, massively overachieving and creating unrealistic expectations. They aren't a top 4 side any more and are well behind Kerry and Dublin.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 10, 2024, 10:50:25 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2024, 10:14:21 PMIt's an interesting point. Senior clubs having very professional setups helps and the standard of the Dublin championship helps. A great team that they just need to drip feed a few players into year on year helps. A manager like gavin helps. The demise of Meath and Kildare has helped though I think they have expedited and compounded it. There are boys currently playing that they won't be able to replace but there's a few years in them yet. Leinster teams have got themselves to such a low ebb I imagine they will dominate it for a long while.
I honestly think Tyrone don't have the right senior setup in place and should challenging for the ai.
The problem the Tyrone management created for themselves was by winning the AI in their first season, massively overachieving and creating unrealistic expectations. They aren't a top 4 side any more and are well behind Kerry and Dublin.
Maybe true but what a great legacy! I'm sure Derry, Mayo, Galway supporters would love that problem!
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 10, 2024, 09:51:45 PMWhy is it when their minor isn't bad?
How are the Dubs kicking on so much after 18?
I know lots of people point to the deck being stacked in their favour in terms of population, financially etc but I wonder why that isn't so evident at minor but completely explodes after it.
From recent experience of young lads I know in the Derry underage set-ups v Dublin underage set-ups, Dublin seems much more geared towards development of players for senior football as opposed to shorter term goals like winning what they see as developmental competition such as minor and u20 Leinster or all Irelands.
I don't like the approach myself as it ignores the inconvenient reality that the vast majority of underage intercounty players will never play senior - purely based on mathematics - and these competitions and games are likely to be the peak of many of their intercounty football careers.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 10, 2024, 10:03:56 PMI'm not saying that those factors aren't true. I'm just wondering why they aren't presenting themselves as clearly at minor level as they are at senior.
For example, I imagine their pick at minor level is completely enormous in comparison to the other Leinster counties.
Absolutely spot on - the pick is enormous at underage - it's so big that to my mind they could easily field multiple underage teams who would be similar standard and competing for honours.
I actually think they definitely should be as it would create a better channel for player development and lead to less disenchantment from talented players who they just can't find spots for.
There's no doubt but that many gooduns slip through the net.
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Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking £100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
Its as bad as Tyrone Hurling
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 09:10:04 AMIts as bad as Tyrone Hurling
Antrim Hurling is a joke as well ffs. When Antrim hurling is comparable to Tyrone football and the work that is put in is in any way similar you might have room to make a snide remark. If I was from Antrim I'd be pissed. What an embarrassment.
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 11:54:36 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 09:10:04 AMIts as bad as Tyrone Hurling
Antrim Hurling is a joke as well ffs. When Antrim hurling is comparable to Tyrone football and the work that is put in is in any way similar you might have room to make a snide remark. If I was from Antrim I'd be pissed. What an embarrassment.
Our club teams would put 40 past your county team, proper joke and embarrassment to the county board and Ireland in general ;D
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Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking £100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You'd feel sorry for the Antrim footballers there surely. Should be competitive given the pick they would have. I know our underage record is nothing to boast about but there is a pile of work being done in the background to improve it.
As much as I hate to say it the Tyronies are a credit with the work being done at underage and at school level (hopefully that doesn't translate to seniors or the rest of us are in bother)
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 10, 2024, 10:03:56 PMI'm not saying that those factors aren't true. I'm just wondering why they aren't presenting themselves as clearly at minor level as they are at senior.
For example, I imagine their pick at minor level is completely enormous in comparison to the other Leinster counties.
You'd imagine there are cumulative effects at play.
At underage grades, they're only rolling with two or three years of advantage at any particular time. Perhaps natural variation in other counties is enough to overcome those advantages more often than not.
But at senior level, they enjoy the cumulative effect of 12-15 years of advantage. This seems to have eliminated the possibility of any other county gaining the upper hand through natural variation.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTír Eoghain 8-16 (40)
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That scoreline reads like an Under 14 club match and it just shouldn't be possible at intercounty U-20 level no matter how good Tyrone may be at that level. It should provide a wake up call for Antrim football and pumping money into a management team at senior level in order to provide a short term sticking plaster will not provide lasting solutions.
That's far too wide a statement Yellowcard. Whatever happens at under age, the only team that's properly in the shop window is the senior team.
An alterior argument might be to put resources into a senior team that might just lift the profile and that had to start by getting out if Div 4. Now Div 3, that new target is Div 2, albeit that won't be this year.
While we don't expect to win a provincial minor cship or under 20, we still do need to be pulling three or four players per year from these squads to filter into senior level.
Imo it's at club under 8 level this needs to start. And there's a lot of clubs starting to get their act together now that it's safe to say we're not doing as much a decade ago.
I don't forsee much success in the next few years,but I'm not totally despondent about the future.
At U15/U16 level in recent years the two things that stood out was Armagh's improvement with a winning habit developed and Antrim shipping heavy beatings in matches.
Quote from: bannside on March 11, 2024, 05:06:37 PMThat's far too wide a statement Yellowcard. Whatever happens at under age, the only team that's properly in the shop window is the senior team.
An alterior argument might be to put resources into a senior team that might just lift the profile and that had to start by getting out if Div 4. Now Div 3, that new target is Div 2, albeit that won't be this year.
While we don't expect to win a provincial minor cship or under 20, we still do need to be pulling three or four players per year from these squads to filter into senior level.
Imo it's at club under 8 level this needs to start. And there's a lot of clubs starting to get their act together now that it's safe to say we're not doing as much a decade ago.
I don't forsee much success in the next few years,but I'm not totally despondent about the future.
I'm in agreement that the senior team is the shop window to improve things in the short term. It probably shouldn't be an either/or argument in terms of allocating resources into senior/underage development but where funds are limited, choices do have to be made.
Under 20 is the last staging post for players who may be capable of playing senior inter county football and should be the main recruitment tool for the next batch of young players capable of making the step up to senior grade. No matter which way you look at it, a 33 point beating is not good for morale within a county. In fact longer term it is damaging to the self belief of that group of young players because those sorts of defeats are not quickly forgotten. It's one thing not to be winning championship matches but its an entirely different matter when you aren't remotely competitive.
It's definitely a wake up call if one was needed! For the record last years under 20s struggled too at times, but it took a very fancied Donegal team to penalties in Ballybofey in the championship. But yes, a very bad day at the office, no one can dispute that.
When are the next matches and what is the draw?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2024, 07:22:21 PMStarts this weekend. Group format instead of knock out. Tier 2 competitions for more game for every team.
Round 1 – Sat 9th March
Section A
Antrim v Tyrone at Dunsilly
Down v Derry at Páirc Esler
(Monaghan Bye)
Section B
Cavan v Donegal at Kingspan Breffni (March 13th for that game)
Fermanagh v Armagh at St Josephs Park, Ederney
Round 2 – Wed 20th March
Section A
Tyrone v Down at Healy Park
Monaghan v Antrim at Castleblayney
(Derry Bye)
Round 3 – Wed 27th March
Section A
Down v Monaghan at Páirc Esler
Derry v Tyrone at Owenbeg
(Antrim Bye)
Section B
Armagh v Cavan at Athletic Grounds
Donegal v Fermanagh at Ballybofey
Round 4 – Wed 3rd April
Section A
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Section A
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Section B
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
U20FC Quarter Finals – Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
U20FC Semi Finals – Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
U20FC Final – Wed 1st / Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Tier 2 (Draw to take place between three teams after group stages)
Semi Final – Mon 22nd April
Team that did not qualify V One of QF Losers
Final – Mon 29th April
SF Winner V 3rd Team
Tier 1 & Tier 2
All-Ireland Semi Finals on 11/12 May
For those too lazy to scroll back...
Donegal 2-15 Cavan 0-16
Healy Park unable to host the u20s this evening, game moved to the Dub in Belfast. Surely something has to be done with the surface in the very near future?
Is Ulster GAA TV showing any of tonight's matches??
Monaghan 2-8 Antrim 1-6. Bit more respectable scoreline this week thankfully.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 10:40:41 PMMonaghan 2-8 Antrim 1-6. Bit more respectable scoreline this week thankfully.
A lot more respectable indeed. Tyrone and Down played out a low scoring draw 1-8 to 0-11
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 20, 2024, 04:40:46 PMHealy Park unable to host the u20s this evening, game moved to the Dub in Belfast. Surely something has to be done with the surface in the very near future?
Really convenient for anyone from up round the Omagh direction looking to attend the game particularly on a school night.Healy park is really not fit for purpose the game Saturday night should arguably not have been played either way a credit to both sides put on a decent show.
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/hogan-cup-hero-daly-completes-tyrone-comeback-to-reel-in-defending-champions-down-BFXU5JL5SZFDZHNGSOKI52BE5E/
Hogan Cup hero Callum Daly completes Tyrone comeback to reel in defending champions Down
Red Hands come from six behind as Mournemen U20s remain winless after two games
EirGrid Ulster U20 Football Championship Section A: Tyrone 0-11 Down 1-8
DEFENDING champions Down are still without a win in the current Ulster U20 Championship campaign after Tyrone came from six points behind to earn a draw at the Dub last night.
Hogan Cup winning captain Callum Daly came off the bench to grab a stoppage-time leveller for the Red Hands as they finally found a way to break down a packed defence.
Down dropped 15 men into their own half, repeatedly thwarting their opponents throughout the first half, and picking off scores on the breakaway.
Dara Mussen and Jamie Doran registered the only points of a low-scoring opening quarter, as the Mournemen led by 0-2 to 0-1, before Oisin Gormley finally got Tyrone off the mark in the 17th minute.
Doran was on target with his second long-range free, and with Ronan Kelly and Tom McCarroll leading the Down charge with their strong running, they continued to raid from deep.
With composure in possession, they crafted another score through Senan Carr, and despite losing full-back David Ruddy to a black card, grabbed a goal with another swift breakaway, finished on 26 minutes by Donal Scullion, to lead by 1-4 to 0-2 at the break.
The Red Hands closed the gap through Ronan Cassidy and Conor Owens (2), but remained vulnerable on the break, with Luke Quinn racing clear for another Down score.
But their six-point lead had been trimmed back to two by the end of the third quarter, and Cormac Devlin made it a one-point game.
Doran kept the Mourne side in front, but late points from Conor Owens and Daly tied it up, though Tyrone will reflect on their wides count of 17, against Down's sole miss.
You'd imagine the Omagh boys wouldn't have been in the best of nick of this one after the weekend? Is there many on the panel?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 21, 2024, 09:24:54 AMYou'd imagine the Omagh boys wouldn't have been in the best of nick of this one after the weekend? Is there many on the panel?
3 of them at the minute. Callum Daly, Ruairi McCullagh and Liam Og Mossey. Probably couldn't rule Charlie Donnelly, Eoin Donaghy or Nathan Farry getting called back up.
Don't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
No use to either team. Armagh have been winning U15/16 competitions the last few years and Antrim have been getting hammered in games so that U17 result is no surprise.
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:08:07 AMQuote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTír Eoghain 8-16 (40)
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Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking £100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You ain't wrong but you might want to look about your own greenhouse when you're lobbing bricks at others.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 24, 2024, 03:20:25 PMQuote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:08:07 AMQuote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTír Eoghain 8-16 (40)
Aontroim 0-7 (7)
Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking £100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You ain't wrong but you might want to look about your own greenhouse when you're lobbing bricks at others.
21 point defeat today for Tyrone. Clearly they aren't putting enough effort in. Utterly pathetic.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 24, 2024, 03:20:25 PMQuote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:08:07 AMQuote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTír Eoghain 8-16 (40)
Aontroim 0-7 (7)
Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking £100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You ain't wrong but you might want to look about your own greenhouse when you're lobbing bricks at others.
is he not a Tyrone man? They're performing unbelievably at underage and schools level are they not.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
If this was a semi-final then who was worse than Antrim?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 23, 2024, 03:38:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
No use to either team. Armagh have been winning U15/16 competitions the last few years and Antrim have been getting hammered in games so that U17 result is no surprise.
In 2035, when Taoiseach Pengelly congratulates her native county on winning Sam, it will be noted that that the core of that team beat Antrim at minor by 35 points.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 05:29:36 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 24, 2024, 03:20:25 PMQuote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:08:07 AMQuote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTír Eoghain 8-16 (40)
Aontroim 0-7 (7)
Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking £100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You ain't wrong but you might want to look about your own greenhouse when you're lobbing bricks at others.
is he not a Tyrone man? They're performing unbelievably at underage and schools level are they not.
It didn't stop them being "brutal" and "utterly pathetic" in the trimming they took today.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2024, 05:43:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
If this was a semi-final then who was worse than Antrim?
Fermanagh were deemed to be, though they never met.
It must be noted that this was the shield semi final. There were 4 teams in cup semi finals.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2024, 05:43:05 PMIf this was a semi-final then who was worse than Antrim?
Shield semi final beat nobody to play in it. Antrim finished bottom in their group, well beaten in their Derry,Tyrone. Armagh 2nd in the group losing narrowly to Down who might go on to win the league.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 24, 2024, 06:03:25 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2024, 05:43:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
If this was a semi-final then who was worse than Antrim?
Fermanagh were deemed to be, though they never met.
It must be noted that this was the shield semi final. There were 4 teams in cup semi finals.
I hadn't been following this. So Tyrone are in the cup, because of a better score difference than other runner ups, in which they were assisted by being in a group with Antrim. Armagh were in a group with Monaghan and didn't beat them by enough. Nevertheless, it is the 5th team against the 8th team, and it is a very wide margin.
To be fair, Tyrone only beat Antrim by 6.
It's a good thing Tyrone have this team coming through to senior at some point, considering the hammering they took today ;)
What happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 26, 2024, 09:19:41 PMWhat happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Match is on here https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/ (https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/)
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 26, 2024, 09:19:41 PMWhat happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Cavan and Armagh is on it tonight
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2024, 02:02:20 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 26, 2024, 09:19:41 PMWhat happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Cavan and Armagh is on it tonight
https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/item.html?id=3734827
Quote from: armaghniac on March 27, 2024, 05:26:28 PMQuote from: Itchy on March 27, 2024, 02:02:20 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 26, 2024, 09:19:41 PMWhat happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Cavan and Armagh is on it tonight
https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/item.html?id=3734827
Is Donegal v Fermanagh being shown too?
Streams working for anyone?
Quote from: smort on March 27, 2024, 07:54:11 PMStreams working for anyone?
Not the Tyrone Derry one anyway
Quote from: smort on March 27, 2024, 07:54:11 PMStreams working for anyone?
I've no problem with Armagh-Cavan
Quote from: smort on March 27, 2024, 07:54:11 PMStreams working for anyone?
Derry game working fine for me. Plenty of wides, but some decent football towards the end of the half. McNicholl with the score of the game.
Armagh held out to win 2-09 to 2-07 after some panic near the end when Cavan scrambled a goal. Cavan should have taken points then.
Like the senior team, Armagh proved capable of disciplined defence for the most part, although there were a few stupid frees given away and the ball was moved up a couple of time, again that doesn't help.
Donegal 1-13 Fermanagh 0-5
Armagh win by 2 (2.9 to 2.7) after looking like they were going to choke and throw it away after being in control throughout. Cavan much more aggressive in their pressing and application in the 2nd half, could have nicked it.
Out of Armagh's 2.9 I'd say the forwards contributed 0.2 maybe, that's a good & bad stat.
One point win for Tyrone.
0-13 to 1-09
Thought McGuckian had earned a draw with his goal. But Derry caught out on the final kick out and Tyrone got up the pitch to score.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 27, 2024, 09:00:44 PMArmagh win by 2 (2.9 to 2.7) after looking like they were going to choke and throw it away after being in control throughout. Cavan much more aggressive in their pressing and application in the 2nd half, could have nicked it.
Out of Armagh's 2.9 I'd say the forwards contributed 0.2 maybe, that's a good & bad stat.
Armagh were 6/7 point the better team only for a ridiculous collapse in the last 5 minutes. Very depressing stuff watching all cavan teams at the moment.
What way does the next stage work, is it top 2 through to semi's?
Quote from: PMG1 on March 27, 2024, 10:35:41 PMWhat way does the next stage work, is it top 2 through to semi's?
Scroll back to pg 16...or ask Orior.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 11, 2024, 11:04:44 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2024, 07:22:21 PMStarts this weekend. Group format instead of knock out. Tier 2 competitions for more game for every team.
Round 1 – Sat 9th March
Section A
Antrim v Tyrone at Dunsilly
Down v Derry at Páirc Esler
(Monaghan Bye)
Section B
Cavan v Donegal at Kingspan Breffni (March 13th for that game)
Fermanagh v Armagh at St Josephs Park, Ederney
Round 2 – Wed 20th March
Section A
Tyrone v Down at Healy Park
Monaghan v Antrim at Castleblayney
(Derry Bye)
Round 3 – Wed 27th March
Section A
Down v Monaghan at Páirc Esler
Derry v Tyrone at Owenbeg
(Antrim Bye)
Section B
Armagh v Cavan at Athletic Grounds
Donegal v Fermanagh at Ballybofey
Round 4 – Wed 3rd April
Section A
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Section A
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Section B
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
U20FC Quarter Finals – Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
U20FC Semi Finals – Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
U20FC Final – Wed 1st / Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Tier 2 (Draw to take place between three teams after group stages)
Semi Final – Mon 22nd April
Team that did not qualify V One of QF Losers
Final – Mon 29th April
SF Winner V 3rd Team
Tier 1 & Tier 2
All-Ireland Semi Finals on 11/12 May
For those too lazy to scroll back...
Taking pity on the lazy...here you go
Current Tables (in standard format) and Remaining Fixtures are:
Group A
Tyrone 3 2 0 1 64 30 34 5
Monaghan2 2 0 0 29 22 7 4
Derry 2 1 1 32 22 10 2
Down 3 0 2 1 33 46 -13 1
Antrim 2 0 2 0 16 54 -38 0
Round 4 – Wed 3rd April
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Group B
Donegal 2 2 0 0 37 24 13 4
Armagh 2 2 0 0 28 20 8 4
Cavan 2 0 2 0 29 36 -7 0
Fermanagh2 0 2 0 12 29 -17 0
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
Quarter Finals – Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
Semi Finals – Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
Final – Wed 1st/Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Mod playing a blinder here 🤝
Nice to see Armagh actually winning games at underage for once. I'm sure Donegal in Ballybofey will be a step up though.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2024, 08:00:54 AMNice to see Armagh actually winning games at underage for once. I'm sure Donegal in Ballybofey will be a step up though.
assured at least a quarter final so thats good
Poor game, but a good win for Derry.
3 April results from Group A:
Derry 1-11 Monaghan 2-6
Down 5-8 Antrim 1-6
Group A Standings:
Tyrone played 3, won 2, drew 1, 5 pts, +34 score diff
Derry played 3, won 2 lost 1, 4 pts, +12 score diff
Monaghan played 3, won 2, lost 1, 4 pts, +5 score diff
Down played 4, won 1, drew 1, lost 2, 3 pts, +1 score diff
Antrim played 3, lost 3, 0 points, -52 score diff
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Group B had no games this week, remaining games are:
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
Scroll to top of page post to see what happens after the Rd 5 games.
Minor Championship 2024 - 2 groups, top team in each group straight to semi-final, second and third in each group to 2 quarterfinals.
Group A - Games on Saturdays 6, 13, 20, 27 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Fermanagh 1-4 Donegal 3-13
Tyrone 2-7 Down 1-7
Monaghan a bye
Group B - Games on Saturdays 6, 20 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Armagh 2-9 Antrim 0-2
Derry 1-8 Cavan 1-5
Down #14 looks to be a good player. Had pace and power and able to hit a score. Looked to be Downs only threat up front. Down just didnt do enough when they had the wind
What sort of score is this in an intercounty game? One thing Jarlath Burns might do is try to get Antrim to take part.
HALF-TIME:
@EirGrid
Ulster U20 Football Championship Round 5
@Doiregaa
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@AontroimGAA
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 28, 2024, 01:52:39 AMCurrent Tables (in standard format) and Remaining Fixtures are:
Group A
Tyrone 3 2 0 1 64 30 34 5
Monaghan2 2 0 0 29 22 7 4
Derry 2 1 1 32 22 10 2
Down 3 0 2 1 33 46 -13 1
Antrim 2 0 2 0 16 54 -38 0
Round 4 – Wed 3rd April
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Group B
Donegal 2 2 0 0 37 24 13 4
Armagh 2 2 0 0 28 20 8 4
Cavan 2 0 2 0 29 36 -7 0
Fermanagh2 0 2 0 12 29 -17 0
Round 5 – Wed 10th April
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
Quarter Finals – Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
Semi Finals – Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
Final – Wed 1st/Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Is it open draw for the semi finals?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 10, 2024, 08:27:04 PMWhat sort of score is this in an intercounty game? One thing Jarlath Burns might do is try to get Antrim to take part.
HALF-TIME:
@EirGrid
Ulster U20 Football Championship Round 5
@Doiregaa
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@AontroimGAA
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This is their second worst defeat Tyrone beat them by 33pts!
Tyrone currently beating Monaghan by 27.
Come on....2 more points!!
Quote from: screenexile on April 10, 2024, 08:51:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 10, 2024, 08:27:04 PMWhat sort of score is this in an intercounty game? One thing Jarlath Burns might do is try to get Antrim to take part.
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Ulster U20 Football Championship Round 5
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This is their second worst defeat Tyrone beat them by 33pts!
That wasn't even the full time score, Derry must have taken the foot off the pedal second half as they ended with 5-16
Wednesday 10 April
Ulster U20FC
Donegal v Armagh - Postponed - Will be played on Saturday 13 April
Fermanagh 1-11 Cavan 2-9
Derry 5-16 Antrim 0-3
Tyrone 5-20 Monaghan 0-8
Fermanagh and Cavan competitive anyway.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 10, 2024, 09:30:42 PMWednesday 10 April
Ulster U20FC
Donegal v Armagh, Ballybofey - Postponed
Fermanagh 1-11 Cavan 2-9
Derry 5-16 Antrim 0-3
Tyrone 5-20 Monaghan 0-8
Monaghan played the second string tonight as they had nothing to play for. Couldn't get top spot and had their Quarter Final berth secured. Tyrone still impressive in awful conditions. Tyrone's squad men definetly put their hands up for selection going forward. Some wealth of options in having Ruairi McCullagh and Noah Grimes putting pressure on that starting forward line.
Final Standings Group A
Tyrone 7pts
Derry 6 pts
Monaghan 4 pts
Down 3 pts
Antrim 0 pts
Group B - Donegal v Armagh on Sat 13 April is last game
Donegal 4 pts, +16 scoring diff
Armagh 4 pts, +8 scoring diff
Cavan 2 pts
Fermanagh 0 pts
Quarter Finals – Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up - Derry V Third in Group B - Cavan
Group B Runner-Up - loser of Donegal/Armagh, Armagh if a Draw V Third in Group A - Monaghan
Donegal 1-6 Armagh 0-7
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2024, 05:15:12 PMDonegal 1-6 Armagh 0-7
Armagh playing Monaghan next week.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 07, 2024, 04:47:07 AMMinor Championship 2024 - 2 groups, top team in each group straight to semi-final, second and third in each group to 2 quarterfinals.
Group A - Games on Saturdays 6, 13, 20, 27 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Fermanagh 1-4 Donegal 3-13
Tyrone 2-7 Down 1-7
Monaghan a bye
Group B - Games on Saturdays 6, 20 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Armagh 2-9 Antrim 0-2
Derry 1-8 Cavan 1-5
Group A Rd 2 Results from 13 April
Monaghan 4-10 Fermanagh 0-8
Donegal 2-12 Tyrone 1-8
Caught a few minutes of Derry v Cavan u20 qf. Anyone who missed it, didn't miss much.
Cavan were putting on a clinic in the ills of the game, going through the greatest hits of mind-numbingly awful attacking play. It's hard to understand any team being coached to take the field these days with such predictable, clichéd tactics. Might be a poor crop, I dunno, but Larry Reilly shouldn't be near that team next year.
Edit: FT 1-14 to 0-7.
Is semi final an open draw or is it predetermined?
I saw its draw earlier on twitter. Derry won't play Tyrone.
Couldn't tell you who plays who now, but think the commentators referred to the pairings, so I think it might be predetermined, yes (definitely no repeat pairings, they said).
Ulster U20 Football quarter-final results:
Derry 1-11 Cavan 0-7
Monaghan 1-15 Armagh 0-13
Semi-finals on 24 April 7:30pm:
Tyrone v Monaghan in Omagh
Donegal v Derry in Ballybofey
Final on 1 May.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 17, 2024, 11:24:02 PMUlster U20 Football quarter-final results:
Derry 1-11 Cavan 0-7
Monaghan 1-15 Armagh 0-13
Semi-finals on 24 April 7:30pm:
Tyrone v Monaghan in Omagh
Donegal v Derry in Ballybofey
Final on 1 May.
They could nearly have played the Derry v Donegal game on Saturday in Celtic park, be like the old days when underage players used to get a proper taste of championship crowds!
They definitely should be trying to get underage games on before senior fixtures. Both from the point of view of giving the young lads a bit of exposure and secondly to give those in early something to watch at the senior games. There doesn't seem to be any effort put into promoting the games or making a day out of it. They have also totally devalued underage intercounty gaa.
They have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2024, 09:07:20 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.
What was wrong with u18 and u21 anyway?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2024, 11:44:50 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2024, 09:07:20 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.
What was wrong with u18 and u21 anyway?
Next to nothing. Páraic Duffy pushed for nearly a decade to scrap them before eventually getting his way before stepping down as Director General.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2024, 03:36:57 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2024, 11:44:50 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2024, 09:07:20 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.
What was wrong with u18 and u21 anyway?
Next to nothing. Páraic Duffy pushed for nearly a decade to scrap them before eventually getting his way before stepping down as Director General.
U17 to U20 would usually be a bigger jump than 18-21 i think?
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 14, 2024, 07:17:14 AMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 07, 2024, 04:47:07 AMMinor Championship 2024 - 2 groups, top team in each group straight to semi-final, second and third in each group to 2 quarterfinals.
Group A - Games on Saturdays 6, 13, 20, 27 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Fermanagh 1-4 Donegal 3-13
Tyrone 2-7 Down 1-7
Monaghan a bye
Group B - Games on Saturdays 6, 20 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Armagh 2-9 Antrim 0-2
Derry 1-8 Cavan 1-5
Group A Rd 2 Results from 13 April
Monaghan 4-10 Fermanagh 0-8
Donegal 2-12 Tyrone 1-8
Remaining Minor Group Fixtures:Group ARound 3 on 20 April
Monaghan 1-17 Down 1-13
Tyrone 2-12 Fermanagh 0-4
Round 4 on 27 April
Down v Donegal in Newry
Tyrone v Monaghan in Ardboe
Round 5 on 4 May
Down v Fermanagh in Newry
Donegal v Monaghan venue TBC
Group BRound 2 on 20 April
Armagh 2-11 Cavan 1-9
Derry 2-24 Antrim 1-3
Round 3 on 4 May
Cavan v Antrim in Kingspan Breffni
Derry v Armagh in Owenbeg
Edit to include 20 April results.
Minor Football Standings after 20 April games:
Group A
Donegal played 2, 4pts, +22 scoring diff
Monaghan played 2, 4pts, +18
Tyrone played 3, 4pts, +10
Down played 2, 0pts, -7
Fermanagh played 3, 0pts, -43
Group B
Derry played 2, 4 pts, +27
Armagh played 2, 4 pts, +18
Cavan played 2, 0pts, -8
Antrim played 2, 0pts, -37
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
The minor set up is shocking. Three tiers. It is nearly harder to get knocked out than it is to go and win something. All the talk of player burn out and they add a pile of meaningless games and then secondary tournaments. Cups, shields, plates, spoon competitions. Complete farce.
U20 semi finals on tomorrow and can be watched here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XEkblckuZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv69pdibFGA
A pity both are on at the same time.
Tyrone U20 Team V Monaghan - Ulster U20 Semi Final (Live On SportTG4)
1. Conor McAneney (Glenelly)
2. Joey Clarke (Donaghmore)
3. Ben Hughes (Donaghmore)
4. Conor Devlin (Ardboe)
5. Shea O'Hare (Ardboe)
6. Michael Rafferty (Killyclogher)
7. Odhran Brolly (Gortin)
8. Ronan Fox (Loughmacrory)
9. Conor O'Neill (Donaghmore)
10. Cormac Devlin (Ardboe)
11. Eoin McElholm (Loughmacrory)
12. Gavin Potter (Killyclogher)
13. Conor Owens (Beragh)
14. Ronan Cassidy (Donaghmore)
15. Callum Daly (Omagh)
16. Conan McGarvey (Donaghmore)
17. Fiachra Donnelly (Beragh)
18. Paddy McCann (Beragh)
19. Noah Grimes (Donaghmore)
20. Ruairi McCullagh (Loughmacrory)
21. Liam Og Mossey (Gortin)
22. Hugh J Cunningham (Pomeroy)
23. Ronan Donnelly (Donaghmore)
24. Callan Kelly (Cookstown)
25. Barry McMenamin (Aghyaran)
26. Shane Hughes (Clonoe)
27. Caolan Donnelly (Fintona)
28. Ruairi McHugh (Coalisland)
29. Fiachra Nelis (Edendork)
30. Oisin Gormley (Drumquin)
U20 semi finals at half time
Donegal 0-7 Derry 0-4
Tyrone 1-5 Monaghan 0-7
Results
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-12
Tyrone 2-9 Monaghan 0-14
The end of the Derry game hectic. Good win for them. Some good teams there.
Thought Derry made hard work of that it should have been more comfortable.
Should make for an interesting final although I thought Tyrone were just that bit better in the earlier fixture hopefully we can up it.
Quote from: screenexile on April 24, 2024, 09:04:43 PMThought Derry made hard work of that it should have been more comfortable.
Should make for an interesting final although I thought Tyrone were just that bit better in the earlier fixture hopefully we can up it.
Derry certainly had a slow start, but got going in the second half.
Two competitive semi finals and whoever wins the final will be hard stopped in the All Ireland series.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 20, 2024, 10:46:30 PMMinor Football Standings after 20 April games:
Group A
Donegal played 2, 4pts, +22 scoring diff
Monaghan played 2, 4pts, +18
Tyrone played 3, 4pts, +10
Down played 2, 0pts, -7
Fermanagh played 3, 0pts, -43
Group B
Derry played 2, 4 pts, +27
Armagh played 2, 4 pts, +18
Cavan played 2, 0pts, -8
Antrim played 2, 0pts, -37
Group A round 4 results 27 April
Down 3-9 Donegal 1-6
Tyrone 4-13 Monaghan 0-10
Tyrone played 4, 6pts, +25
Donegal played 3, 4pts, +13 scoring diff
Monaghan played 3, 4pts, +3
Down played 3, 2pts, +2
Fermanagh played 3, 0pts, -43
Last Round of fixtures:
Group A Round 5 on 4 May
Down v Fermanagh in Newry
Donegal v Monaghan in Ballybofey
Group B Round 3 on 4 May
Cavan v Antrim in Kingspan Breffni
Derry v Armagh in Owenbeg
U20 final on at 7:30pm.
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That Ruari Forbes has turned into a big lad
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2024, 08:03:23 PMThat Ruari Forbes hasturned into a big lad
Enjoyable game not much in it. Plenty of good scores and turnovers from both teams it could go either way this half.
Both teams with plenty of pace too!
Tyrone going too often for goals when they should be taking their points.
Still all to play for with 15 minutes to play. Derry 1-8 Tyrone 2-6
N O'Donnell not know when take a shot, 2/3 times he's in a better position than the man he passes too. Tyrone doing repeated fouling here.
Derry getting caught with silly turnovers.
Mc Elholm is a silky operator.
2 many of the Derry forwards can't kick of either foot, whereas Tyrone have a few which can. They about 4 times a point was on , but the lad couldn't kick it, as it was his bad foot.
Bad call there.Derry lad didn't swing himself round by himself, if it was 2 mins to go, that would be a free.
Jesus it's a painful watch from a Derry point of view so many bad choices when kicking for scores
Aye, a couple of decent chances to go in front there.
Too many Derry players wouldnt take the final shot there. End up in shots took when men in better positions earlier. Derry regret not winning this, they well on top. Too many lads simply avoiding taking the big decision.
Quote from: Brendan on May 01, 2024, 08:47:53 PMJesus it's a painful watch from a Derry point of view so many bad choices when kicking for scores
Yeah, decision making is poor enough at times.
But it's been an enjoyable game.
Very nervy shooting at the end of that game. Won't be easy to call a winner in extra time.
Should have won that but what a great game!!
Also have to say I think the ref has been brilliant.
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2024, 08:52:42 PMShould have won that but what a great game!!
Also have to say I think the ref has been brilliant.
Yes the Ref has been excellent.
What did the linesman tell him when he seemed about to book the defender?
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 01, 2024, 08:55:36 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 01, 2024, 08:52:42 PMShould have won that but what a great game!!
Also have to say I think the ref has been brilliant.
Yes the Ref has been excellent.
What did the linesman tell him when he seemed about to book the defender?
I think he wasn't sure who to book as it was a 'double' tackle.
Maybe he asked lineman which player was it but I'd say linesman wasn't sure either.
Quote from: marty34 on May 01, 2024, 08:59:39 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on May 01, 2024, 08:55:36 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 01, 2024, 08:52:42 PMShould have won that but what a great game!!
Also have to say I think the ref has been brilliant.
Yes the Ref has been excellent.
What did the linesman tell him when he seemed about to book the defender?
I think he wasn't sure who to book as it was a 'double' tackle.
Maybe he asked lineman which player was it but I'd say linesman wasn't sure either.
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Some miskick of a goal that.
It'll do 😀
Half time in extra time. Derry 2-13 Tyrone 2-9. A Derry goal seconds before the break.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2024, 09:15:09 PMSome miskick of a goal that.
Bit of a ballbag hit he put in on his way out too.
Can't throw this lead away now in 10 minutes can they? Will be a deserved win I'd say to keep up Derrys brilliant recent underage record
Derry appear to have the better bench or getting more of an impact from them tonight.
Goal to Tyrone.
How stupid are Derry not to foul them out the field. Tyrone were always gonna need a goal to win in 10mins of play
Tyrone goal all to play for again. 2-13 to 3-9
Imagine letting McElholm run the entire pitch, without any pressure
It amazes me, even at this age, that lads don't understand Tyrone needed a goal to win, and keep to fouling way out the field.
Level game 78 minutes played.
Derry have had 1 shot this half of extra time.
FT AET Derry 2-13 Tyrone 3-10. A shootout to find a winner.
Talk about throwing it away. Made the mistake last year of not playing McAvoy and Murray in the U20 final as they weren't needed for Fermanagh, and kicked ourselves out of this one the night.
Sitting back on a lead. You see it happen all the time. Entertaining game between two very evenly matched teams.
Some game lads great entertainment. Derry threw it away twice and now it's in the lap of the gods.
Probably a fair result given our tendency to give the ball away easily and not shoot when it's on.
Quite a few if these Derry kads were playing u17 last year.
Poor first penalty from Derry
Not sure why he was taking one, as he wouldn't shoot for a point all game.
Derry keeper abit small on it, compared to the Tyrone lad
2-0 to Tyrone after first two penalties.
Awful run of penalties there from Derry, All poor.
3 saves in a row from the Tyrone keeper. And the Derry keeper throws them a lifeline with a good save.
Tyrone win 3-1 on penalties
Tyrone win 3-1.
No complaints.
Derry were the authors of their own defeat.
Hard luck there some of the Derry lads played the shirt off their backs especially in defence but we just weren't brave enough going forward and that's going to cost at this level!
But going by the Armagh logic I think we're joint Ulster Champs so will look forward to the celebrations in Maghera! 😳
Yep, just not clinical enough. Good entertainment.
I take it both go forward into AI QFs anyway - what is the QF draw?
Hard to warm to a penalty shootout deciding a GAA championship match. Derry left that title behind them, Tyrone to their credit hung in there and having the experience of winning Ulster minor in 2021 and 2022 probably helped them get over the line tonight.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2024, 09:40:08 PMAwful run of penalties there from Derry, All poor.
My first thought was to wonder how much practice they've done recently.
Surprising to see such a number of poor penalty attempts at intercounty level.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2024, 09:45:25 PMI take it both go forward into AI QFs anyway - what is the QF draw?
No Derry are out now.
No quarterfinals at U20 level - straight to the semis.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2024, 09:45:25 PMI take it both go forward into AI QFs anyway - what is the QF draw?
Not at U20 that's minor. Tyrone v Roscommon or Galway now and other semi final Kerry v Meath.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2024, 09:45:25 PMI take it both go forward into AI QFs anyway - what is the QF draw?
Fairly sure Derry are gone and it's provincial winners just
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2024, 09:46:10 PMHard to warm to a penalty shootout deciding a GAA championship match. Derry left that title behind them, Tyrone to their credit hung in there and having the experience of winning Ulster minor in 2021 and 2022 probably helped them get over the line tonight.
Shouldn't be losing a game being 4pts up in last 10 mins.
Derry needed to stop/start the game by fouling away out the pitch.
Tyrone needed a lifeline of a goal and Derry gifted it to them.
Penalties is a lottery.
Enjoyable game though. Great entertainment but the feeling is that Derry threw it away.
Not much in the game throughout but Derry had a 10 minute spell where if they had a couple of 2 footed forwards they could have got a lead. Plenty of talent on show and interesting to see who will kick on
Jesus, surprised to hear that in this era of milking it. Derry will be sick 2nite.
Here,i seen fouling lads out the pitch with 4pts in it, in U-16 games in the county. We let them run 50m unchallenged then pass across the line, when u knew they weren't gotta score 4pts in 10mins in extra time!! All 3 Tyrone goals were very similar
I am left wondering about who prepared these lads or " didnt" in game management.
Was a good game to watch
Derry were blunt at times in the forward division considering the amount of possession they had
Two bad wides to win it in normal time
The two Loughmacrory men McElholm and McCullagh are natural forwards and had massive games for Tyrone tonight
Derry were 4 up at HT in ET and then decided to give up the kickouts (which they dominated in the first half of ET) this gave Tyrone the impetus to come and chase down the lead - Derry will be devastated - poor game management both on the pitch and along the line letting that lead slip.
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 01, 2024, 09:49:30 PMNot much in the game throughout but Derry had a 10 minute spell where if they had a couple of 2 footed forwards they could have got a lead. Plenty of talent on show and interesting to see who will kick on
Tyrone be looking a reasonable return out of this squad. Rafferty, Daly, Hughes, O'Neill, McCullagh, McElholm, Potter, O'Hare, McAneney would be the obvious players that would offer something to the Senior panel.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 02, 2024, 09:36:51 AMQuote from: NotedObserver on May 01, 2024, 09:49:30 PMNot much in the game throughout but Derry had a 10 minute spell where if they had a couple of 2 footed forwards they could have got a lead. Plenty of talent on show and interesting to see who will kick on
Tyrone be looking a reasonable return out of this squad. Rafferty, Daly, Hughes, O'Neill, McCullagh, McElholm, Potter, O'Hare, McAneney would be the obvious players that would offer something to the Senior panel.
Tyrone's McElholm and O'Hare look like very good indeed. They look to have 5 or 6 that will make the cut at senior. That's a very good Derry side too. Forbes, McEldowney and McGuckian will be top players for Derry for years to come. That was a very even Ulster championship with very little between the top 4 sides. Monaghan will be a coming force in next few years too with some top prospects coming through especially Stephen Mooney who put on an exhibition of point scoring against Armagh and Tyrone.
Derry must have given up 2-05 directly from turnovers, they have too many forwards whose first inclination is to have a wee solo which resulted in them getting outmuscled in the tackle time after time. This was a clear problem in the donegal game [first game I seen so was probably an issue in previous matches] and should have been remedied before the final.
They should also have started their strongest team and this would have been a comfortable win!!!!
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 01, 2024, 10:54:10 PMDerry were 4 up at HT in ET and then decided to give up the kickouts (which they dominated in the first half of ET) this gave Tyrone the impetus to come and chase down the lead - Derry will be devastated - poor game management both on the pitch and along the line letting that lead slip.
It thought in general, that team was badly managed. All afraid to shoot until the certain score was on, side-to-side, pass back mentality seems to be ingrained in this group of Derry players.
I thought we had better footballers all over the field, but our attack play was so slow and rarely did the player on the ball look up to see the runner.
Tyrone's blanket got back really quick, and they attacked directly and at pace.
Management need to take responsibility for that loss if you ask me as tactics won/lost that game
Agree with some of the other comments on turnovers - really cost us.
The whole game just felt like if Derry threw caution to the wind in attack, we'd get through or get fouled.
Tyrone more "cute" out the field and definitely more physical. But for me, Derry had the better players.
Generally I like penalties (I know I'm in the minority), but that was brutal from a Derry pov. Size difference in the two keepers was really noticeable, but the quality of penalties by Tyrone was much better.