Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Truthsayer]

Well, I have no problem saying our managers are not at the level to built our team to All Ireland level. They inherited a team that Mickey Harte built, a team that had been to an a final 2 seasons before and the addition of a couple of forwards helped. What they did do was take the defensive shackles off that team, and for that they deserve credit and our respect. The team was able to express themselves and the result was an All Ireland.

However building a team on solid defensive and attacking principles is a different thing.

They pushed on a team that Mickey Harte was holding back and have lost a lot of key players since while others best years are behind them. For that they deserve great credit and a new team doesn't materialise overnight...

[MC]

That team that Harte was 'holding back' were beaten by Dublin in the semi-finals in 2017; beaten by Dublin in the final in 2018; and beaten by Kerry in the semi-final in 2019 - and after a Covid disrupted championship in 2020 won a final in 2021. I've no problem with a change in manager but do people really think Tyrone lost out on 3 AIs they would or should have won with a different manager? I hope Tyrone are 'held back' this year.

[Truthsayer]

That team that Harte was 'holding back' were beaten by Dublin in the semi-finals in 2017; beaten by Dublin in the final in 2018; and beaten by Kerry in the semi-final in 2019 - and after a Covid disrupted championship in 2020 won a final in 2021. I've no problem with a change in manager but do people really think Tyrone lost out on 3 AIs they would or should have won with a different manager? I hope Tyrone are 'held back' this year.

That's it... didn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship since 2008.. the two lads came in and with Peter Donnelly, who had left previous set-up, beat Kerry and Mayo and Sam's yer man!

[LeoMc]

Tyrone became more attacking when they had McKenna & McShane available and in form. Not so much when they lost those 2.
Harte was a big part of having them both on this side of the World.

[imtommygunn]

That team that Harte was 'holding back' were beaten by Dublin in the semi-finals in 2017; beaten by Dublin in the final in 2018; and beaten by Kerry in the semi-final in 2019 - and after a Covid disrupted championship in 2020 won a final in 2021. I've no problem with a change in manager but do people really think Tyrone lost out on 3 AIs they would or should have won with a different manager? I hope Tyrone are 'held back' this year.

That's it... didn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship since 2008.. the two lads came in and with Peter Donnelly, who had left previous set-up, beat Kerry and Mayo and Sam's yer man!

Mayo are a different beast in a final though. All the other games against Mayo were before the final.

How big a loss is McKenna to that team?

[MC]

I'd say you could only really gripe about 2012 and 2014 as poor years.
...didn't beat Dublin - that was the entire country for eight of those years!

[Scoring Zone]

Good article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

That might well be the case.

Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.

This is standard confirmation bias on GAA reporting (annoying but par for the course) e.g, when Donegal where flying high '11-'16 suddenly that gobshite Devenney was on everything going spouting word salad on defensive systems, now that Derry are going well a Derry journalist is has by default more sway in analysing what Tyrone (and other teams) is doing wrong, he is a journalist re-writing what he is hearing in the stands and press box.

In general the standard of reporting, analysis and use of BS 'Statistics' to validate argument is so so poor in football atm, but I suppose you get that with the extra coverage its getting which has never been better, swings and roundabouts

[NotedObserver]

Many heading tonight? Any word on mattie Donnelly as not named on the panel

[Jim Bob]

Why not just pay an experienced ex county player or manager to write a piece?

At least they have experience in county football and would offer a more informed opinion that someone who has qualified in journalism and has an interest in GAA

Jim Bob, you're taking this article very badly. Should papers just do away with professional journalists? Cahair lives and breathes football, he definitely knows his stuff, but it's just his opinion at the end of the day. You don't have to like it, but no need to dismiss the views because an intercounty player / manager didn't write it.

Well I'm not sitting in the corner crying my eyes out over it

[Twobounces]

Is Healy Park the worse standard of a pitch for a county ground? State of the pith tonight was a joke but this has been ongoing for years. Was there not work done to the pitch recently or is work meant to be done on it.

[ONeill]

Worked hard for those points tonight. When the game was in the melting pot I worried about the inexperience of  the side but this will stand to them. They came through it, albeit with Morgan, McCurry and Canavan driving them home. Still a work in progress.

The minutes will do McShane good. Don't think those conditions suit his game. McGeary was busy in the first half and seemed to be getting some form back. Kilpatrick, Harte and McKernan were a loss.

[NotedObserver]

Some thoughts

Devlin in the corner looks tidy. Clarke also worked a good ball out when he came on at the end. Not sure on Quinn at this level.

Hampsey off the pace throughout and m likely hampered by injury

Cullen another decent showing. McGeary also looked to have a bit of drive about him.

Donaghy at midfield has good potential and gets his head up for pass

McShane movement sharp but for sure struggled with the back and forward running after being out so long

Great to win this type of game

[sam03/05]

A good league campaign, should stay in Div 1 - blooded a lot of new players, got some of the older players game time. If they can get a full squad available it's a group capable of winning an All Ireland.
They had some serious players missing last night - Hampsey,McGeary,  Kennedy, off the pitch in the last ten mins with the likes of McKernan, Harte, Kilpatrick all out along with the other longer terms such as Meyler and Burns. If they could get everyone back in the next few weeks - would be a very strong squad

[Truthsayer]

Kerry beat Roscommon.. thats Tyrone safe now. Next week's trip to Croke Park a dead rubber. Well done management and players. Critics and Harte disciples will have to hold fire until championship...

[tyroneman]

Really positive staying in Div 1 with such a turnover of players.

God jr snr living up to the hype God jr jr hopefully not far behind.

McShane back and Mattie there as well, great to see.

Some of the younger players did very well and if not starting certainly offer options from the bench.

Just wonder how much the lack of having a settled starting 15 play together will hinder the team. Would expect they need 2-3 games to click, which they won't have in Ulster.

Still....Happy with all that so far.