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There will be a few more of these before the 1st round is over. Ridiculous

Ryan McHugh ran meyler ragged in ballybofey, no chance he will be marking Kilkenny

It's only the third game of the season but how can Man u's defending go from one of the best last year to what we've seen the past few games? Is it injuries, change of tactics or something else? Matic been a big miss, to provide a bit of cover for the centre backs?

IIRC, De Gea had the second highest number of saves in the league last season (might be slightly off on that, but he definitely ranked highly). As is now well documented at this stage, he's let in 12 goals from the last 16 shots on target this year (including the World Cup).

That kind of stat means nothing though, some shots are not likely to be saved.

My point being that Utds great defence was more a case of having a great keeper - if he goes through a poor patch of form, the leaky defence is suddenly exposed.

There were stats earlier in the year which showed how good de gea was last season

https://twitter.com/optajoe/status/982690650528387072?lang=en

If he regresses to the norm or performs worse than the avg then utd are in trouble

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11212584/david-de-gea-premier-leagues-top-performing-goalkeeper-stats-reveal

RTE couldn't even dream about making programmes of that quality

TG4 now people

I'm beginning to believe.

It's the hope that kills you!

The towel went in quick

How? He was being outclassed the entire fight (as was expected) and had been badly hurt and down the previous round. He was looking to the referee for protection for no reason whatsoever when taking big shots. Corner got it absolutely bang on.

Had it on the radio last night in work and they listened in to Jackson's corner at the start of the round, Jackson didn't want to go back out but the corner told him to go out on his shield and give them 30seconds.

Commentators couldn't believe it saying it was a disgrace sending their man back out, it's their duty to protect him

What date is the first round of Ulster Club?

21st October or 4th November

Are the all-ireland club finals before Christmas this year?

[If the ref had give that free in the end]

Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.

Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.

For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

Great teams never complain about the ref. No team ever gets every decision. If this is the Monaghan psyche (and I think it is, given MO'R's comments) then they will never be serious contenders. They were beaten by a team operating at around 60% - 70%. And I'd imagine that hurts, as they probably believed (wrongly) that they could overcome Tyrone, but reality is they're probably 4-5 players short.

we'll agree to differ. The post match story is always written from the winners perspective. The margins are tiny. If the ref had give that free in the end and it went to extra time with monaghan winning or even a replay it would be a whole different conversation. Gievn that the ref made far bigger mistakes in the match he easily could have done so. E.g. one story might have been that starting Brennan as opposed to springing him from the bench didn't work out very well. They might want to look at that one again for the final

every team no matter how great they are complains about the ref if its justified. Many complain anyway.

Did you think it was a free for Hughes? I honestly didn't see that as one of the controversial decisions as I felt it was 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. I would have been p1ssed of it he had of given a free in for that.

The defender had both hands on him initially but there wasn't much in it. It would have been harsh but in the context of the 2 that he gave harte and cavanagh (which both resulted in pointed frees) then he should have given it. At least there was some contact - there was none in the other 2.

In the Harte incident, both players had hit the ground but Peter was up and away from his man and would more than likely scored anyway

The line ball before the goal should have been a Monaghan ball.

Yes that was as clear as day ...very very poor call ...

He was bad for both sides but the big calls went against the Farney county for sure...I can see how they were a bit aggrieved at the end.

To be so close to an All ireland when a better ref might or might not made a massive difference.

McManaus never so much as got a thing of Nolan all day as a previous poster said its as if he didn't like him ...

Pretty sure the referee gave a free to Tyrone for a barge in the back rather than a line ball in the build up to the goal

Was a penalty for me. Aussie guy got the faintest of touches which didn't actually knock the ball away from griezman who would still have gone on to get a shot away. The Aussie player then catches him from behind, it's a penalty

read my post again.

Ok  fair enough though you do say we are capable of beating Mayo or Kerry which I see nothing to indicate that.

Tyrone have already beaten Kerry and mayo this year

Some win in the Buncrana Cup semi final

Tyrone 6-19 Doire 0-6!! 

When's the championship draw? Presume league fixtures will be released at same time? 4 weeks to adult leagues start, would have thought fixtures would be out by now.

1st February, anybody hear word of adult fixtures yet?