Scottish independence referendum thread

[Eire90]

labour wont be giving snp a referendum either i think

[Armagh18]

labour wont be giving snp a referendum either i think

Tories will probably use threat of labour coalition with snp as a vote winner in next election

[balladmaker]

What's to stop Scotland holding a vote, despite the fact it won't be recognised or implemented ... even to have a vote to show x% of people now want Scottish Independence, what ye gonna do about it Westminster .... short of meeting the English in a field near Stirling, it looks like Scotland are forever tied into the Union?

[keep her low this half]

What's to stop Scotland holding a vote, despite the fact it won't be recognised or implemented ... even to have a vote to show x% of people now want Scottish Independence, what ye gonna do about it Westminster .... short of meeting the English in a field near Stirling, it looks like Scotland are forever tied into the Union?

What happened in Catelonia after they held a referendum without approval from the Spanish state? All the main independence leaders got thrown in jail. Scotland is a colony, same as Northern Ireland and same as the Catalans and the Basques.
The scots need to start civil disobedience like Gandhi at this point as they no longer have a legal way to leave the UK.

[AustinPowers]

The Tories will start (they already have done)  discrediting sturgeon , making up all kinds of allegations and firing all kinds of lies at her to hamper the Scots  independence campaign.  That will hold back the campaign for another decade. Then do the same  with her replacement .

Sure the same  goes on in the north . A 2 second video makes the headline news.  Anything to tarnish any talk or discussion on a unity referendum

[Eire90]

What's to stop Scotland holding a vote, despite the fact it won't be recognised or implemented ... even to have a vote to show x% of people now want Scottish Independence, what ye gonna do about it Westminster .... short of meeting the English in a field near Stirling, it looks like Scotland are forever tied into the Union?

sunak would have the right to send tanks to edinburgh and take the snp out

[An Watcher]

If thus is Sturgeons last stand do they have a strong leader coming behind her? Hopefully so

[balladmaker]

What today's ruling shows that it isn't and never will be a union of equals.  It's more akin to a hostage situation where one party wishes to leave and the other won't let them.  Surely the judgement is another nail in the union's coffin in the long run.

[Eire90]

should snp stand down and merge with labour

[Franko]

What's to stop Scotland holding a vote, despite the fact it won't be recognised or implemented ... even to have a vote to show x% of people now want Scottish Independence, what ye gonna do about it Westminster .... short of meeting the English in a field near Stirling, it looks like Scotland are forever tied into the Union?

sunak would have the right to send tanks to edinburgh and take the snp out

Ye wha?

[Armagh18]

This is gonna get serious in Scotland imo. Being pro union is one thing but denying democracy is another. 

[Franko]

This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign

[johnnycool]

This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign

Exactly this.

If the UKSC had ruled in favour of the SNP they'd have been like a dog chasing a car, and finally getting caught up with it, not knowing what to do. The SNP knew they needed another "wedge" issue and the UKSC have handed them one, the denial of democracy to the Scottish voter, so it will be interesting how the next GE goes north of the GB border.

[RedHand88]

This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign

Exactly this.

If the UKSC had ruled in favour of the SNP they'd have been like a dog chasing a car, and finally getting caught up with it, not knowing what to do. The SNP knew they needed another "wedge" issue and the UKSC have handed them one, the denial of democracy to the Scottish voter, so it will be interesting how the next GE goes north of the GB border.

Does it though? If the SNP pick up every single seat north of the border does it actually make them more powerful? The power ultimately resides with Westminster.

[Franko]

This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign

Exactly this.

If the UKSC had ruled in favour of the SNP they'd have been like a dog chasing a car, and finally getting caught up with it, not knowing what to do. The SNP knew they needed another "wedge" issue and the UKSC have handed them one, the denial of democracy to the Scottish voter, so it will be interesting how the next GE goes north of the GB border.

Does it though? If the SNP pick up every single seat north of the border does it actually make them more powerful? The power ultimately resides with Westminster.

It definitely does

But Sturgeon's strategy here is to present a case that the Scots want away, but London won't let them

She wants to destroy the whole 'voluntary union of equals' nonsense

The SNP (hypothetically) winning every seat in Scotland on an independence manifesto would a clear demonstration of this and would make it very difficult politically for Westminster to deny a referendum

There nothing that makes you want to do something more than some superior cnut telling you that you can't