Scottish independence referendum thread

Started by deiseach, September 07, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

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If you have/had a vote, how will/would you vote?

Yes
122 (87.8%)
No
17 (12.2%)

Total Members Voted: 139

Voting closed: September 18, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

Milltown Row2

Quote from: red hander on September 15, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 15, 2022, 11:04:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 10:37:16 AM
Quote from: general_lee on September 15, 2022, 10:21:42 AM
How will they not go? They keep voting SNP.
Southern Ireland wasn't always pro independence. You need a shock to shift conservative people. In the South it was Irish Independent readers. The shock was 1916.
In Scotland it could be pensions collapsing.
You need at least 75% for independence.

51% gives you clusterfucks such as Brexit.

And we are planning for a plus 1

That's all it will take. Days of unionist veto and gerrymandering are over. If it's good enough to retain their rotten Union, it's good enough to end it.

+1 is good enough for me, good enough for the person living in a nationalist town or area, those living in loyalist flash points or villages or town will come up against a tougher resistance to the result, a small factor to take on board for some..

Plus 10,000 wouldn't keep those happy either BTW so the smoother the process the better for everyone
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

general_lee

Quote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2022, 10:33:56 AM
SNP biggest and most popular Party but never get over 50% of vote.
Mind you Greens are also pro Independence and between them they have a pro Independence majority in Holyrood.
Exactly. Most of Scotland is also anti-Tory. When you see the special arrangement NI is getting via the Protocol and the disastrous Brexit imposed by the tories, sentimental shite like the Queen dying is soon forgot about. I don't think the Scots will make the same mistake twice.

seafoid

51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

weareros

Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.

They might play such games with Scotland, and indeed they are threatening to with their demand for it to be 50% of all registered voters (which is bull). But it will be a straight majority in North. The only bs they can pull there is not granting a border poll as it is in the power of the Secretary of State. But the poll is inevitable, and any delays post 2030 will only further drive up the unity vote. Unionists will continue to try to change the terms on the GFA too but with zero success.

Main Street

#829
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.

You can'e just rig the voting process like that  ;D  This isn't North Korea
The simple majority (first past the post) was agreed upon last time and surely will be the basis  for the next referendum.

Itchy

Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.

What are you trying to say?

51% wont work, as in after such a vote it will be unmanageable

or

The brits wont allow 51% to pass a referendum.

seafoid

Quote from: Itchy on September 16, 2022, 01:48:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.

What are you trying to say?

51% wont work, as in after such a vote it will be unmanageable

or

The brits wont allow 51% to pass a referendum.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/we-will-honour-commitment-to-hold-border-poll-says-tory-party-chair-oliver-dowden-41624183.html

Tory party chair Oliver Dowden has said the Government will honour the constitutional obligation to hold a border poll on the future of Northern Ireland if "there is a sustained majority" in favour of unification.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Itchy on September 16, 2022, 01:48:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.

What are you trying to say?

51% wont work, as in after such a vote it will be unmanageable

or

The brits wont allow 51% to pass a referendum.

It's probably difficult to manage if we are being very honest

Farrandeelin

Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.

Considering Brexit was passed with a narrow majority, 51% would be enough.
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armaghniac

You'll hear a lot about 51% not being enough. But Scotland and NI are not like the Brexit referendum. In both Scotland and NI there are people who want to remain the UK whatever, those who want to leave whatever and the middle block who might swing either way. If on the day there is a majority then the middle block in both cases will accept the legitimacy of this, they might not have voted to the leave the UK on the day but as they could see themselves doing so then they have no problem accepting the legitimacy of those who did.
Brexit was not acceptable because the whole process was a racket. 
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

HiMucker

#835
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.
Alright Seamus Mallon pipe down would ye lol. Surely then 50% plus 1 in favour of the union is not good enough to keep the status quo? 100,000s of unhappy unionists having to live with unification, we can't be having that, but it's alright for 100,000s of nationalist to be unhappy living in the union? 50 % plus one is all it should and will take. Its democracy, tough luck.

AustinPowers

Quote from: seafoid on September 16, 2022, 05:03:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 16, 2022, 01:48:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.

What are you trying to say?

51% wont work, as in after such a vote it will be unmanageable

or

The brits wont allow 51% to pass a referendum.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/we-will-honour-commitment-to-hold-border-poll-says-tory-party-chair-oliver-dowden-41624183.html

Tory party chair Oliver Dowden has said the Government will honour the constitutional obligation to hold a border poll on the future of Northern Ireland if "there is a sustained majority" in favour of unification.

How will they  know there is "a sustained majority "  unless they actually have a border  poll ?

Main Street

The criteria is a  simple majority,  50% plus one vote.

ardtole

Quote from: HiMucker on September 16, 2022, 11:16:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.
Alright Seamus Mallon pipe down would ye lol. Surely then 50% plus 1 in favour of the union is not good enough to keep the status quo? 100,000s of unhappy unionists having to live with unification, we can't be having that, but it's alright for 100,000s of nationalist to be unhappy living in the union? 50 % plus one is all it should and will take. Its democracy, tough luck.

Hit the nail on the head there Himucker. Agree 100%.

seafoid

Quote from: HiMucker on September 16, 2022, 11:16:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
51 won't work. The Brits won't go lower than 2/3. The occupied territories are complicated enough without a half arsed reunification.
Alright Seamus Mallon pipe down would ye lol. Surely then 50% plus 1 in favour of the union is not good enough to keep the status quo? 100,000s of unhappy unionists having to live with unification, we can't be having that, but it's alright for 100,000s of nationalist to be unhappy living in the union? 50 % plus one is all it should and will take. Its democracy, tough luck.
Of course it would be unfair. A sectarian headcount would take years. This is why Sinn Féin has started its outreach programme. 30% of Unionists may be amenable.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU