Scottish independence referendum thread

Started by deiseach, September 07, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

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If you have/had a vote, how will/would you vote?

Yes
122 (87.8%)
No
17 (12.2%)

Total Members Voted: 139

Voting closed: September 18, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

armaghniac

Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2021, 04:57:31 PM
So far
SNP 21 seats
Lib Dem 3
Rest 0.
Some pundits predicting SNP won't make the overall majority.

They have taken one labour seat though, the trick is not to lose any.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Rossfan

And now taken 1 Conservative one -Ayr.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

balladmaker

They'd 61 in last parliament .... +2 at the min, it's going to be close either way by looks of it. 

armaghniac

Quote from: balladmaker on May 07, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
They'd 61 in last parliament .... +2 at the min, it's going to be close either way by looks of it.

A constituency seat might just take away a SNP regional seat, the voters need to pile on to the Greens and Alba in this case.  The system was designed to not allow the SNP get a majority, after all.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

weareros

Quote from: balladmaker on May 07, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
They'd 61 in last parliament .... +2 at the min, it's going to be close either way by looks of it.
+3 now. 1 more and holds everywhere would do it.

ned

Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 07, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
They'd 61 in last parliament .... +2 at the min, it's going to be close either way by looks of it.

A constituency seat might just take away a SNP regional seat, the voters need to pile on to the Greens and Alba in this case.  The system was designed to not allow the SNP get a majority, after all.

The system was in place before SNP held power but WAS designed to give more even spread of political voices.

armaghniac

Quote from: ned on May 07, 2021, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 07, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
They'd 61 in last parliament .... +2 at the min, it's going to be close either way by looks of it.

A constituency seat might just take away a SNP regional seat, the voters need to pile on to the Greens and Alba in this case.  The system was designed to not allow the SNP get a majority, after all.

The system was in place before SNP held power but WAS designed to give more even spread of political voices.

It was probably intended to stop Labour getting a big majority, back in the day.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

John Egans left boot

Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2021, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: ned on May 07, 2021, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 07, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
They'd 61 in last parliament .... +2 at the min, it's going to be close either way by looks of it.

A constituency seat might just take away a SNP regional seat, the voters need to pile on to the Greens and Alba in this case.  The system was designed to not allow the SNP get a majority, after all.

The system was in place before SNP held power but WAS designed to give more even spread of political voices.

It was probably intended to stop Labour getting a big majority, back in the day.

Total nonsense the Scotland Act 1998 is a brilliant piece of legislation designed by the pricks in Edinburgh law school by there former pupils to ensure labour would almost always be assure of at least 15/20 per cent of seats and actually to stop the tories and SNP  having a majority it was a defence mechanism by the Labour Party for the Labour Party

Main Street

Duckworth - Lewis  is a piece of cake compared to the Scottish electorial system. The Greens do well on it considering they get 6 or so seats  with just few thousand 'first preferences'.

seafoid

Quote from: weareros on May 07, 2021, 07:08:23 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 07, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
They'd 61 in last parliament .... +2 at the min, it's going to be close either way by looks of it.
+3 now. 1 more and holds everywhere would do it.
They lost Dumbarton to tactical Tory voting for Labour.. Unionists are awful.hoors.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

ned

Quote from: Main Street on May 08, 2021, 02:14:14 AM
Duckworth - Lewis  is a piece of cake compared to the Scottish electorial system. The Greens do well on it considering they get 6 or so seats  with just few thousand 'first preferences'.

Greens use the system to their advantage. Don't stand many candidates for the constituency votes.

smelmoth

Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
The system was designed to not allow the SNP get a majority, after all.

Explain to me the grounds on which that is not a great big lie?

armaghniac

Quote from: smelmoth on May 08, 2021, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
The system was designed to not allow the SNP get a majority, after all.

Explain to me the grounds on which that is not a great big lie?

The system was designed not be majoritarian and the SNP is a party that might get a majority. So it is not a lie, it may be a simplification.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

weareros

Looks like the pro-Indy vote (SNP + Greens) will be under 50%. That will put kybosh on any chance of new referendum. Typical Scots - at the end of day they just don't have the balls to go it alone.

John Egans left boot

Quote from: weareros on May 08, 2021, 04:50:19 PM
Looks like the pro-Indy vote (SNP + Greens) will be under 50%. That will put kybosh on any chance of new referendum. Typical Scots - at the end of day they just don't have the balls to go it alone.

Clearly you need to stay of the drink pills or whatever your taking - 72 seats between them simple really to understand ..:: the tories and their former advisor are now admitting it's a when not an if !! If you get a chance there is an Irish fella Ciaran Martin at university of Oxford search his comments on Twitter tell you everything you need to know and he was the architect of the 2012 agreement to grant the 2014 referendum.