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If you have/had a vote, how will/would you vote?

Yes
122 (87.8%)
No
17 (12.2%)

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Voting closed: September 18, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #885 on: September 19, 2022, 07:49:53 PM »
Scotland is similar to NI in that support for independence is close to 50% and that isn't enough for a definitive break. The SNP like SF need too bring people onside.

Do Scottish people not generally accept that if a majority of Scots want independence then it should have it?
The ground rules for the last one was a "simple majority" in favor carries the referendum.
A simple majority is defined as 50% plus one vote.
Changing that criteria to favor unionists would surely boost the ranks of  "Rebellious Scots".

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #886 on: November 23, 2022, 11:12:59 AM »
The Scottish Government and Parliament firmly out in its "place" by the "UK Supreme Court".
Time they did an Ireland 1919 and withdraw from Westminster?
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #887 on: November 23, 2022, 02:26:30 PM »
Westminster will keep blocking any referendum  and every time Sturgeon talks about it , they’ll say “oh here we go again “... the same  happens here when SF talk of a referendum.

I ALways thought the text in the GFA about a referendum was nonsense,  for the same reason above.

No doubt the Tories will be there for another  year or two , so their antics will no increase the  support for referenda in both places. But  Westminster will continue to dig in their heels about granting one

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #888 on: November 23, 2022, 03:19:00 PM »
labour wont be giving snp a referendum either i think

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #889 on: November 23, 2022, 03:24:39 PM »
labour wont be giving snp a referendum either i think
Tories will probably use threat of labour coalition with snp as a vote winner in next election

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #890 on: November 23, 2022, 04:04:31 PM »
What's to stop Scotland holding a vote, despite the fact it won't be recognised or implemented ... even to have a vote to show x% of people now want Scottish Independence, what ye gonna do about it Westminster .... short of meeting the English in a field near Stirling, it looks like Scotland are forever tied into the Union?

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #891 on: November 23, 2022, 04:14:10 PM »
What's to stop Scotland holding a vote, despite the fact it won't be recognised or implemented ... even to have a vote to show x% of people now want Scottish Independence, what ye gonna do about it Westminster .... short of meeting the English in a field near Stirling, it looks like Scotland are forever tied into the Union?

What happened in Catelonia after they held a referendum without approval from the Spanish state? All the main independence leaders got thrown in jail. Scotland is a colony, same as Northern Ireland and same as the Catalans and the Basques.
The scots need to start civil disobedience like Gandhi at this point as they no longer have a legal way to leave the UK.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #892 on: November 23, 2022, 04:56:04 PM »
The Tories will start (they already have done)  discrediting sturgeon , making up all kinds of allegations and firing all kinds of lies at her to hamper the Scots  independence campaign.  That will hold back the campaign for another decade. Then do the same  with her replacement .

Sure the same  goes on in the north . A 2 second video makes the headline news.  Anything to tarnish any talk or discussion on a unity referendum

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #893 on: November 23, 2022, 04:58:41 PM »
What's to stop Scotland holding a vote, despite the fact it won't be recognised or implemented ... even to have a vote to show x% of people now want Scottish Independence, what ye gonna do about it Westminster .... short of meeting the English in a field near Stirling, it looks like Scotland are forever tied into the Union?


sunak would have the right to send tanks to edinburgh and take the snp out

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #894 on: November 23, 2022, 07:51:45 PM »
If thus is Sturgeons last stand do they have a strong leader coming behind her? Hopefully so

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #895 on: November 23, 2022, 07:53:57 PM »
What today's ruling shows that it isn't and never will be a union of equals.  It's more akin to a hostage situation where one party wishes to leave and the other won't let them.  Surely the judgement is another nail in the union's coffin in the long run.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #896 on: November 23, 2022, 08:02:46 PM »
TBH I'd have been very surprised if it had not been the decision that was announced today, given the doctrine of parliamentary (i.e. Westminster) sovereignty in the UK's unwritten constitution. Even if the UKSC ruled that the Scottish parliament could have legally made a unilateral independence referendum, all the government in Westminster could have done to stop it would have been to have made a law preventing them from doing so, make it a three-line whip and job done.

As it is, it's the job of the UK Supreme Court to rule on the facts of the matter at hand rather than "delivering" any leverage to political activism. I suspect that at least in the short-term, this won't help much for English-Scottish relations.
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #897 on: November 23, 2022, 09:39:35 PM »
should snp stand down and merge with labour

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #898 on: November 23, 2022, 10:20:38 PM »
What's to stop Scotland holding a vote, despite the fact it won't be recognised or implemented ... even to have a vote to show x% of people now want Scottish Independence, what ye gonna do about it Westminster .... short of meeting the English in a field near Stirling, it looks like Scotland are forever tied into the Union?


sunak would have the right to send tanks to edinburgh and take the snp out

Ye wha?

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #899 on: November 23, 2022, 10:25:37 PM »
This is gonna get serious in Scotland imo. Being pro union is one thing but denying democracy is another.