Official Gooners Thread - A New Hope

[Dinny Breen]

Hardly. 10 out the last 15 Europa/UEFA titles, after Sunday 9 of the last 15 UCL titles.

EPL has been pretty shit the last while, mini revival this year.

The level of the bottom 10-12 teams in Spain would be significantly lower than most EPL teams. The far more equitable money that lower level EPL teams get from the huge TV deals and the fact big three in Spain are hovering up most of the La Liga money has only widened that gap. Clubs like Girona, Leganes and Eibar (their stadium has a capacity of 7,100!) have facilities that a lot of League One teams would laugh at.

The EPL is easily the best and deepest league in the world, simply because money has made it that. You can't simply judge a league on how well its elite teams do in Europe, Dinny.

Seriously, you can't judge a league based on the only 2 barometers available? Atletico Madrid Sevilla and Valencia are hardly European Elite.

[Billys Boots]

You can't simply judge a league on how well its elite teams do in Europe, Dinny.

So what are the criteria for 'judging a league'?

[Walter Cronc]

A shitty appointment according to Syf. Well there you have it folks. Emery out!!

Your extreme offense at an opinion gave me a good laugh.

No offence, merely highlighting your comment.

[Farrandeelin]

You can't simply judge a league on how well its elite teams do in Europe, Dinny.

So what are the criteria for 'judging a league'?

A wet Tuesday night in Stoke.

[Syferus]

Hardly. 10 out the last 15 Europa/UEFA titles, after Sunday 9 of the last 15 UCL titles.

EPL has been pretty shit the last while, mini revival this year.

The level of the bottom 10-12 teams in Spain would be significantly lower than most EPL teams. The far more equitable money that lower level EPL teams get from the huge TV deals and the fact big three in Spain are hovering up most of the La Liga money has only widened that gap. Clubs like Girona, Leganes and Eibar (their stadium has a capacity of 7,100!) have facilities that a lot of League One teams would laugh at.

The EPL is easily the best and deepest league in the world, simply because money has made it that. You can't simply judge a league on how well its elite teams do in Europe, Dinny.

Seriously, you can't judge a league based on the only 2 barometers available? Atletico Madrid Sevilla and Valencia are hardly European Elite.

Athetico are the 14th richest club on planet Earth Dinny. Their new stadium puts them in a position to perennially compete with the big two in Spain as well.

The Spanish league has a couple of giants and then a handful of mid-majors, to borrow an American collegiate term. Then the league drops off a cliff in terms of money and quality. Even the bottom team in the EPL gets around £100 million for their efforts - in one season they earn more money than the market value of many La Liga clubs. It's not because English footballers are better than Spainish footballers (they ain't), but the money attracts the sort of talent lower level Spainish clubs couldn't dream of affording.

[Main Street]

Hardly. 10 out the last 15 Europa/UEFA titles, after Sunday 9 of the last 15 UCL titles.

EPL has been pretty shit the last while, mini revival this year.

The level of the bottom 10-12 teams in Spain would be significantly lower than most EPL teams. The far more equitable money that lower level EPL teams get from the huge TV deals and the fact big three in Spain are hovering up most of the La Liga money has only widened that gap. Clubs like Girona, Leganes and Eibar (their stadium has a capacity of 7,100!) have facilities that a lot of League One teams would laugh at.

The EPL is easily the best and deepest league in the world, simply because money has made it that. You can't simply judge a league on how well its elite teams do in Europe, Dinny.

Seriously, you can't judge a league based on the only 2 barometers available? Atletico Madrid Sevilla and Valencia are hardly European Elite.

Athetico are the 14th richest club on planet Earth Dinny. Their new stadium puts them in a position to perennially compete with the big two in Spain as well.

The Spanish league has a couple of giants and then a handful of mid-majors, to borrow an American collegiate term. Then the league drops off a cliff in terms of money and quality. Even the bottom team in the EPL gets around £100 million for their efforts - in one season they earn more money than the market value of many La Liga clubs. It's not because English footballers are better than Spainish footballers (they ain't), but the money attracts the sort of talent lower level Spainish clubs couldn't dream of affording.

This  season in Europe,  in the knock-out round and semi final,
Sevilla knocked out Man U,  Ath Madrid knocked out Arsenal.

[Syferus]

Hardly. 10 out the last 15 Europa/UEFA titles, after Sunday 9 of the last 15 UCL titles.

EPL has been pretty shit the last while, mini revival this year.

The level of the bottom 10-12 teams in Spain would be significantly lower than most EPL teams. The far more equitable money that lower level EPL teams get from the huge TV deals and the fact big three in Spain are hovering up most of the La Liga money has only widened that gap. Clubs like Girona, Leganes and Eibar (their stadium has a capacity of 7,100!) have facilities that a lot of League One teams would laugh at.

The EPL is easily the best and deepest league in the world, simply because money has made it that. You can't simply judge a league on how well its elite teams do in Europe, Dinny.

Seriously, you can't judge a league based on the only 2 barometers available? Atletico Madrid Sevilla and Valencia are hardly European Elite.

Athetico are the 14th richest club on planet Earth Dinny. Their new stadium puts them in a position to perennially compete with the big two in Spain as well.

The Spanish league has a couple of giants and then a handful of mid-majors, to borrow an American collegiate term. Then the league drops off a cliff in terms of money and quality. Even the bottom team in the EPL gets around £100 million for their efforts - in one season they earn more money than the market value of many La Liga clubs. It's not because English footballers are better than Spainish footballers (they ain't), but the money attracts the sort of talent lower level Spainish clubs couldn't dream of affording.

This  season in Europe,  in the knock-out round and semi final,
Sevilla knocked out Man U,  Ath Madrid knocked out Arsenal.

And again, does that say anything about how Girona would fare against Everton or West Ham? A league's quaility isn't defined by one or two teams. It'd be like saying if PSG win the CL the French league is suddenly the best in the world, that just isn't how it works.

As it happens, the third best team in England this year are in the CL final..

[Walter Cronc]

Lads don't engage this clown. He'd fight with his shadow.

[Boycey]

Far be it from me to agree with Syf but it's not an unreasonable point that although the top teams in Spain are currently ahead of the top teams in England (that's about to change mind you) that from top to bottom the Premier League is superior..

[Syferus]

Lads don't engage this clown. He'd fight with his shadow.

This is the typical way of discourse on GAABoard when someone is proven wrong and they don't have the ability to make a counterpoint, nor the balls to concede they were wrong.

[Walter Cronc]

Lads don't engage this clown. He'd fight with his shadow.

This is the typical way of discourse on GAABoard when someone is proven wrong and they don't have the ability to make a counterpoint, nor the balls to concede they were wrong.

Wheres the proof you muppet 


Until these teams play eachother we can only speculate. Maybe they'll revive the Intertoto Cup Syf!

[Ethan Tremblay]

I would tend to agree with syferus on this one, slightly.  European competitions pit the best teams from each league against each other.  From that perspective each team is representing the domestic league they play in and should be seen as an indirect reflection on how good their league is based on their best teams. 

[Milltown Row2]

Over the same period of the PL the champions in La Liga have been Barca or Madrid nearly every time bar Athletico and Valencia once each! so its really only 2 teams competing

So that would be your Blackburn and Leicester City..... But then City (3 times) Chelsea (5 times) and Arsenal have won the league 3 times with Utd winning 13

Add in the likes of Liverpool (twice after the weekend  ), Utd (twice) and Chelsea winning the CL in that period, also the few finals competed by the PL teams, they havent done too bad.. its a competitve enough competion, the problem being its not mainly 'home' players that make up the best teams.. so no real benefit for the national teams

How many 'home' players play outside of the PL?

[Dinny Breen]

Anyway so Unai Emery is the new Arsenal Manager, only the 7th in my life time. Going by reports seems very technical and tactical, whereas I don't think Wenger was as bad tactically as some make out I think that Emery will bring an improvement in that regard. I expect he will supplement the squad with some players from Ligue 1 and La Liga particularly in the central defence and central midfield positions.

Anyway it's a new cartoon and I will look forward to the first games in August.

[brokencrossbar1]

Lads don't engage this clown. He'd fight with his shadow.

This is the typical way of discourse on GAABoard when someone is proven wrong and they don't have the ability to make a counterpoint, nor the balls to concede they were wrong.

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