Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

Started by Trevor Hill, January 18, 2010, 12:28:52 AM

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muppet

Quote from: SuperMac on January 19, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
SF do seem to be going away



Quote from: Maguire01 on January 10, 2013, 06:25:09 PM
SF 4% fall / FF 3% rise.

And in the immediate aftermath of a budget.
FF's rise is at FG's expense, SF drops went to the Independents. As a SF member I wouldn't get too excited, FF are enjoying plenty of news coverage as the so called only ' oppostion ' to FG/Labour thanks to their army of appoimtees down the years in RTE, Newstalk radio and of course Dr Sir O'Reilly's/O'Brien's toilet papers Independent newspapers. We will have council, Euro and referendums to make our impact and importantly a financial scandal invovling FF midway thru an election may well be uncovered liek what happened with Sean Gallaher  ;)  - we're not going away you know   :)

This is so blatant it makes Fox news look balanced.

What's the deal with a Financial Scandal?

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lawnseed

jeez muppet?  ::)

in relation to ff theres no problem finding a financial scandal.  ;)

but to land a killer blow sf need someone other than gerry there are several contenders for leader the sooner the better
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Lar Naparka

Quote from: SuperMac on January 19, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
SF do seem to be going away



Quote from: Maguire01 on January 10, 2013, 06:25:09 PM
SF 4% fall / FF 3% rise.

And in the immediate aftermath of a budget.
FF's rise is at FG's expense, SF drops went to the Independents. As a SF member I wouldn't get too excited, FF are enjoying plenty of news coverage as the so called only ' oppostion ' to FG/Labour thanks to their army of appoimtees down the years in RTE, Newstalk radio and of course Dr Sir O'Reilly's/O'Brien's toilet papers Independent newspapers. We will have council, Euro and referendums to make our impact and importantly a financial scandal invovling FF midway thru an election may well be uncovered liek what happened with Sean Gallaher  ;)  - we're not going away you know   :)
I think the Shinners are going quite well and consolidating their gains in recent years but they're doing so because of their work on the ground not because of anything that happens north of the border.
I think the general public down here are broadly supporting the nationalist cause but not to the extent that it will override other issues. Unemployment and falling standards of living dominate the agenda.   
Ask Marty, he found that out the hard way.
From what I can gather, Mary Lou is gaining credibility and so to a lesser extent is Peirce Doherty. It'll take another election or two, when the Shinners have come up with credible policies and all associated with the Troubles have left the scène, before they may become a force in politics down here.
FF aren't going away either.
They have one big advantage over all other parties and it can't be underestimated; they have an efficient electioneering set up in every constituency. Okay, it t may be bent a bit at the moment but it sure ain't broke. They'll get the hard core vote out come the next election.
Anyone connected with Cowan and his gobshites will have to stand aside before they will become a big player again- a bit like Gerry and SF.
Labour will probably lose out big time next election and SF could make inroads here.
They have taken a battering in every election since the foundation of the state, after a period in coalition, and I can't see them doing well next time either. They're a mixum gatherum of Democratic Left, Stickies and traditional Labour and their performance to date had been patchy to say the least. Besides, they don't field candidates in the majority of constituencies.
FG won't go up or down very much before the next election, like FF, they have their hard core supporters and I'd say something like 30-35% at the next outing is as much as they can hope for
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Maguire01

Quote from: SuperMac on January 19, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
SF do seem to be going away



Quote from: Maguire01 on January 10, 2013, 06:25:09 PM
SF 4% fall / FF 3% rise.

And in the immediate aftermath of a budget.
FF's rise is at FG's expense, SF drops went to the Independents.
How do you know?

lawnseed

#379
the border poll, all ireland referendum what ever you want to call it sinn feins calling for it at this time is simply the cleverest political move in Irish politics in a decade. in the north, the navel gazing dup and uup and the Norths inward looking media think its about 'norn iron'... "I'm not paying 50 euros for the doctor.." blah blah. this move has nothing to do with uniting ireland. its all about the 26. look at the reaction of the establishment in the south! first thing to remember is that all parties south of the border have a united ireland included in their party manifestos. some in small writing and some in large print but they all acknowledge it, its part of getting elected.. you roll out the tricolour and chucky a bit and that's your homage to the cause. then you make promises you have no intention of keeping hospitals jobs etc. but look how these guys have reacted.. they don't want it. sinn fein have exposed an unwillingness to help bring about something that is part of Irish DNA. Fianna fail 'the republican party' don't want a referendum.. brillant! hats off to sinn feins political strategists
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armaghniac

Quotethis move has nothing to do with uniting ireland.

Indeed.

Is there any chance that SF will actually do something to advance the unification of Ireland?
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Orior

Quote from: lawnseed on January 23, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
the border pole, all ireland referendum what ever you want to call it

I certainly wouldnt call it a pole, lol
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lawnseed

Quote from: armaghniac on January 23, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Quotethis move has nothing to do with uniting ireland.

Indeed.

Is there any chance that SF will actually do something to advance the unification of Ireland?
in theory all parties are supposed to be advancing the unification unless theyre unionists. this move has split the unionists even further and put the parties in the south in the position where they want to oppose the unification of their own country looks very bad for them.
the south has to be made habitable first. you cant do that until your in government.. time for that dungout ;)
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Quote from: lawnseed on January 23, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 23, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Quotethis move has nothing to do with uniting ireland.

Indeed.

Is there any chance that SF will actually do something to advance the unification of Ireland?
in theory all parties are supposed to be advancing the unification unless theyre unionists. this move has split the unionists even further and put the parties in the south in the position where they want to oppose the unification of their own country looks very bad for them.
the south has to be made habitable first. you cant do that until your in government.. time for that dungout ;)


hahaha "made habitable". The Irish Republic is a a gemstone when put beside the North.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

lawnseed

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 23, 2013, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on January 23, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 23, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Quotethis move has nothing to do with uniting ireland.

Indeed.

Is there any chance that SF will actually do something to advance the unification of Ireland?
in theory all parties are supposed to be advancing the unification unless theyre unionists. this move has split the unionists even further and put the parties in the south in the position where they want to oppose the unification of their own country looks very bad for them.
the south has to be made habitable first. you cant do that until your in government.. time for that dungout ;)


hahaha "made habitable". The Irish Republic is a a gemstone when put beside the North.
sure maybe when we sort it out you might try it out again
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lawnseed

dup in disarray have'nt a clue whether they want a referendum or not. arlene foster changing her mind now on nolan
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93-DY-SAM

Disappointed in Alex Maskey who didn't do Sinn Fein any favours trying to sell a UI to unionists. Mind you Arlene was equally as clueless. Didn't know if she was coming or going but that the DUP all over.

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Quote from: lawnseed on January 23, 2013, 11:26:08 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 23, 2013, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on January 23, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 23, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Quotethis move has nothing to do with uniting ireland.

Indeed.

Is there any chance that SF will actually do something to advance the unification of Ireland?
in theory all parties are supposed to be advancing the unification unless theyre unionists. this move has split the unionists even further and put the parties in the south in the position where they want to oppose the unification of their own country looks very bad for them.
the south has to be made habitable first. you cant do that until your in government.. time for that dungout ;)


hahaha "made habitable". The Irish Republic is a a gemstone when put beside the North.
sure maybe when we sort it out you might try it out again

If you ever join the Irish Republic, just be good little boys and leave guns, flegs and puke football at home.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

johnneycool

The politics of the Irish republic as you know it would change considerably with a UI and that's the frightening thing for FF and FG, they'd possibly lose power unless one or the other tries to get into bed with the SDLP.

Nolan show was interesting in so much as Arlene was adamant that the union was strong and even Nolan suggested to her that the recent census data suggested that it wasn't just as strong as she was implying and it'd be better for the DUP came clean with their electorate. She went into ostrich mode quite quickly.

Maskey is many's a thing, a salesman for a UI to unionism he isn't, not sure if the shinners have anyone as yet to fit that mould.

The was a very valid point made by Malachi O'Doherty (the gremlin like character in the audience) that republicans will be voting for a UI no matter the economic situation in Dublin or London and ditto the unionists to maintain the union. Economics and the practicalities would only matter to the middle ground, possibly those who consider themselves Northern Irish in the census.


muppet

Quote from: johnneycool on January 24, 2013, 10:06:33 AM
The politics of the Irish republic as you know it would change considerably with a UI and that's the frightening thing for FF and FG, they'd possibly lose power unless one or the other tries to get into bed with the SDLP.

Nolan show was interesting in so much as Arlene was adamant that the union was strong and even Nolan suggested to her that the recent census data suggested that it wasn't just as strong as she was implying and it'd be better for the DUP came clean with their electorate. She went into ostrich mode quite quickly.

Maskey is many's a thing, a salesman for a UI to unionism he isn't, not sure if the shinners have anyone as yet to fit that mould.

The was a very valid point made by Malachi O'Doherty (the gremlin like character in the audience) that republicans will be voting for a UI no matter the economic situation in Dublin or London and ditto the unionists to maintain the union. Economics and the practicalities would only matter to the middle ground, possibly those who consider themselves Northern Irish in the census.

Sinn Féin has never been about that and if they are going to run a referendum it is a bit late to find someone with credibility to sell anything to Unionists. The SDLP would have been useful in this regard but they got their reward for Hume's work at the ballot box.

Unionists, in the main (David Irvine maybe) have never tried to 'reach out' so no help likely there.

Likely winners from this, believe it or not, are the small band of nutters with the flegs, who right now are outflank democratic Unionism at a time of a great threat, as they would see it.

SF will not be affected, north or south, while the other parties in the south would be better advised taking a low key approach. But I suspect they wont be able to help themselves. No democratic party should be blindly opposed to a ballot so they would be foolish to blindly oppose it.
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