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Those Armagh odds shows how open a championship would be most seasons if we can keep the Dublin juggernaut under control.

Still can't rule out Tyrone, Mayo or even Meath, even those daft bastards in Cork if they ever got focused. Those teams just need a few of the firmer favourites to wipe each other and out and they'll start to believe.

Tyrone could do it, you just never know with those huers. Mayo will never win it at this stage.

 Meath are definitely going the right way but lets see how they back up that performance before we start talking about them as contenders. Cork have a lot of the tools but I'd say they'd need a McGuinness type figure to come in.

Still think Tyrone will have a good year, semi final spot wouldn't surprise me

[The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.]

When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?

It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter.  Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack. 

As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.

Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.

Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.

A game that most pundits seem to forget about.

Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.

Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.

Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?

They have been recorded as draws.....as they should have been. We subsequently lost some of those on penalties which the records will also show.  It's not hard. Don't worry.....nobody is looking to take the 2023 Ulster championship off yis.  The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.

Must have missed the replays.

Fixated?....just replying to Armagh folk who always bring it up....because you say it it's true, are we living in Trumpland?

Don't worry no chance they'll be bringing up and Derry unbeaten facts soon, at this stage every half decent team in the country has tanked them.

Phones not banned in the class room?

It's scary how quickly things can turn against you when Israel is criticised, headline news on the mainland BBC news, barely mentioned before any of their antics

You can only imagine what is happening behind the scenes at the BBC re The Settlers documentary

Dropped from the lineup of two German music festivals

[The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.]

When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?

It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter.  Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack. 

As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.

Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.

Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.

A game that most pundits seem to forget about.

Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.

Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.

Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?

They have been recorded as draws.....as they should have been. We subsequently lost some of those on penalties which the records will also show.  It's not hard. Don't worry.....nobody is looking to take the 2023 Ulster championship off yis.  The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.

Must have missed the replays.

Fixated?....just replying to Armagh folk who always bring it up....because you say it it's true, are we living in Trumpland?

Derry would love to be as hard to beat in 70 minutes football than the current mess they are in.

On the roundabout or the swings? 🤔

Don't worry they have recorded Derry's wonderful league victory last year, some achievement fair play.

As they should. This boo hoo nonsense of 70 mins is juvenile stuff

When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?

It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter.  Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack. 

As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.

Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.

Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.

A game that most pundits seem to forget about.

Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.

Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.

Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?

Fair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.

Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.

Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.

When Israel are trying to paint everyone who objects to their genocide as Hamas supporters, idiots like Kneecap give them an open goal. They need to grow the f**k up and get wise otherwise they will be destroyed (attempt ongoing).

Idiots for calling out genocide? And destroyed by who exactly?

Gough completely bottled that. Took the man out of it.

100%, crazy call. Tyrone, dark horses for Ulster!

Have these boyos jumped the shark?
I don't think they'll last much longer with their cheering of Hamas and Hezbollah.
The Israelis usually get their man!

Fair play to them calling out Israel, but doing it in the US isn't ideal for career longevity.

Remaining 3/4 gigs sold out immediately after Coachella.. They seem very principled, I'm sure it outweighs having a career in the USA

They helped Kildare too. But they also got us back on track in the longer term which costs less.

See the issue is that if the GAA didn't get involved and stood off, allowing vultures in, the same man would be SCATHING of the GAA.

But in this case the GAA are the vulture fund.

Snappy tabloid headline, true if they were pocketing the profits, but the distribution of it doesn't = vulture fund

Tyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.

For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose

As they have it, it is theirs to lose, Derry won't be finding it anytime soon.

Tyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.

For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose

As they have it, it is theirs to lose, Derry won't be finding it anytime soon.

Be careful what you say flowerpot. These Derry men are sensitive since they've lost their nouveau riche status.

Tyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.

For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose

[led by a Derry man]

One other problem: you are allowing a small committee to have complete say over the entire game.  It appears they've been given carte blanche to do whatever they like.  Is there any time limit to FRC activities or is their dictatorial power over the game open ended?

Thus the goal is more entertainment and more action.  The FRC believes Kerry hitting long balls to David Clifford to be good for the game...which is fine.  When Ethan Rafferty, and other Ulster goalkeepers, run riot through opposing defences the FRC suddenly isn't interested in more excitement and scoring and put a stop to it.  You see the problem?  The FRC is picking winners and losers.

No major sport has ever overhauled its entire game like the GAA has just done.  Normally it's one rule change, to test the waters, then another and so on.  The National Football League has been desperate to get more offence into its game.  Every rule change going back to the 1970s has been in favour of the offence and to handicap the defence.  They've finally accomplished what they wanted: all offence, all passing and all action.  What the NFL took decades to do, the GAA is trying to do in months.  Football traditionalists will tell you both organisations have one goal: to destroy the offence-defence balance.  In other words, ruin the game.

I'm not trying to say who is right or wrong.  Obviously I'm in the camp of the traditionalists but that doesn't mean I'm right.  I'm simply trying to point out that a sport with the history and tradition of Gaelic football needs to mind that history and tradition and keep an eye on the long term consequences of any changes.

The moment you open Pandora's Box and allow so many changes at once, you open the door to endless changes.  Isn't that a slippery slope?

The FRC was given a remit to make gaelic football the best amateur sport in the world to watch and play.
There are fairly rigorous governance structures in place which all the new rules had to progress through and a lesser process for subsequent tweaks.
The reason why there has been such a radical overhaul of rules all at once is because of the very strict timelines imposed by Congress on the trialling of new rules.
New rules can only be introduced once every 5 years. These trial rules which were approved by special congress last October are in place until October this year. Congress (or special congress) will vote on the final package, it is probable that what we see now will see significant amendment before a final package of changes is agreed. I don't agree that the FRC is picking winners and losers based on geographical bias, if you look at the membership, there's balanced representation from all regions and indeed the gaa president who instigated the review is an Armagh man. They are reacting to feedback and statistical evidence.
They have a statistical unit analysing a large number of games from this year and comparing versus previous year's data (I believe this unit is led by a Derry man?).
The data and the feedback from their ongoing public surveys has shaped the initial proposals and the subsequent tweaks. My understanding is that no more tweaks are proposed prior to the final package being agreed for the October vote.
If we really want to shape the decisions then I think it's important to complete the feedback surveys on an ongoing basis (it's not a one and done thing and remains open) and probably more importantly, make sure that your county's delegates to the October vote understand your county's position and can articulate that position in a manner that can influence delegates.

Up Derry!

@ Eoin, "both organisations have one goal.....ruin the game."

Really?

Rules need tweaking and 1 major one (long lottery kickouts) scrapped, but it's a much much better spectacle atm imo... I've started watching more games again, the last 10 years it was only really games I had an emotional attachment to