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Title: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: SuperMac on December 30, 2007, 01:52:15 PM
Just wondering, is Kevin Moran the only man to win All Ireland Senior ('76, '77) and an FA Cup medal ( '83, '85 ). Pretty good collection of medals for any man. Or if not a major soccer medal, then maybe an international Boxing title, Rugby, Golf, whatever, along with an All Ireland Senior ?
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: magickingdom on December 30, 2007, 03:09:22 PM
kevin moran is the only one... tadgh kennely has a premiership with the sydney swans and will be collecting an ai medal with kerry in 2011! ;)
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: redcard on December 30, 2007, 05:28:49 PM
He was also the first player ever to be sent off in the FA Cup Final for fouling Peter Reid.

Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: orangeman on December 30, 2007, 09:17:34 PM
He didn't hit Reid that hard did he ???  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: SuperMac on December 31, 2007, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: redcard on December 30, 2007, 05:28:49 PM
He was also the first player ever to be sent off in the FA Cup Final for fouling Peter Reid.



In all fairness, that was an extremely bad decision ( and I'm not a Man Ure fan btw ).  Still, Norman Whiteside got a great winner, the image of Moran celebrating on the touchline is still with me. Think there was also a bit of controversy as he was not awarded his medal on the podium like the rest, as I think it was some sort of bi rule that if you got sent off on the winning side in an FA cup final, you would not be awarded your medal on the day by the FA officals but later from your club ? 
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on December 31, 2007, 01:25:38 PM
Back then the medal was worth 300 quid but he was not supposed to get one, so was snubbed on the day. I think The Sun - anti Irish bastards - mounted a campaign and the FA agreed that he get the medal.
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: The Real Laoislad on December 31, 2007, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on December 31, 2007, 01:25:38 PM
Back then the medal was worth 300 quid but he was not supposed to get one, so was snubbed on the day. I think The Sun - anti Irish bastards - mounted a campaign and the FA agreed that he get the medal.

I'm no fan of The Sun newspaper but is that not a contradiction? An Anti-Irish newspaper as you say campaigning for a Irish soccer player to get his FA Cup medal?

Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: J70 on January 01, 2008, 04:39:33 PM
Quote from: SuperMac on December 31, 2007, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: redcard on December 30, 2007, 05:28:49 PM
He was also the first player ever to be sent off in the FA Cup Final for fouling Peter Reid.



In all fairness, that was an extremely bad decision ( and I'm not a Man Ure fan btw ).  Still, Norman Whiteside got a great winner, the image of Moran celebrating on the touchline is still with me. Think there was also a bit of controversy as he was not awarded his medal on the podium like the rest, as I think it was some sort of bi rule that if you got sent off on the winning side in an FA cup final, you would not be awarded your medal on the day by the FA officals but later from your club ? 

I don't remember it as being a bad decision. It was certainly controversial in that (incredibly!) no one had ever been sent off in a final before. As Reid skipped past him to go clear, Moran slid in and took him out. I don't think he got the ball first, but maybe I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 01, 2008, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: SuperMac on December 30, 2007, 01:52:15 PM
Just wondering, is Kevin Moran the only man to win All Ireland Senior ('76, '77) and an FA Cup medal ( '83, '85 ). Pretty good collection of medals for any man. Or if not a major soccer medal, then maybe an international Boxing title, Rugby, Golf, whatever, along with an All Ireland Senior ?

Apparently

Mick Galwey is the only man with an All-Ireland Senior football medal (Kerry '86) to have played for the Ireland rugby team.

Ned Byrne is the only man with an All-Ireland Senior hurling medal (Kilkenny '72) to have played for the Ireland rugby team.

Gerry McIlhenny is the only man with an All-Star and a "Home International" (not my phrase) winners medal.

Martin O'Neill has MacRory, Ulster minor football and European Cup winners medals.

Socrates does not have a Sigerson Cup medal.
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: stew on January 01, 2008, 09:50:36 PM
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Socrates does not have a Sigerson Cup medal.
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I dont think gaelic football was invented at the time he was forever changing the stream of human conciousness.
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: Over the Bar on January 01, 2008, 10:01:30 PM
QuoteSocrates does not have a Sigerson Cup medal.

But Mohammed Ali did play hurling.
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 01, 2008, 10:15:39 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 01, 2008, 08:55:05 PM
Gerry McIlhenny is the only man with an All-Star and a "Home International" (not my phrase) winners medal.
So does Gerry McElhinney
;)
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: The Real Laoislad on January 01, 2008, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 01, 2008, 10:01:30 PM
QuoteSocrates does not have a Sigerson Cup medal.

But Mohammed Ali did play hurling.

Xavi Alonso played Gaelic Football
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: dublinfella on January 03, 2008, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 01, 2008, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 01, 2008, 10:01:30 PM
QuoteSocrates does not have a Sigerson Cup medal.

But Mohammed Ali did play hurling.

Xavi Alonso played Gaelic Football

I think that one can be filed under the Gerd Muller handball or Socrates Sigerson medal myth.
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: his holiness nb on January 03, 2008, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on January 03, 2008, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 01, 2008, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 01, 2008, 10:01:30 PM
QuoteSocrates does not have a Sigerson Cup medal.

But Mohammed Ali did play hurling.

Xavi Alonso played Gaelic Football

I think that one can be filed under the Gerd Muller handball or Socrates Sigerson medal myth.


Nope, he was a spanish student who spent the summer in Kells one year.
Played a few games while here, not sure if it was competitive.
He actually returned to Kells during the past few months to visit the family he stayed with.



Royal help for Alonso


May 25, 2005

Liverpool defender Steve Finnan will not be the only player on the Ataturk Stadium's pitch tonight with Irish connections as teammate Xabi Alonso has fond memories of the country.

Alonso spent the summer of 1997 in the Meath town of Kells, where he was learning to speak English.

The ace Liverpool midfielder has recovered from a broken ankle to take his place in the team for tonight's final against the mighty AC Milan.

But, speaking of his time in Kells, Alonso recalls trying his hand at playing Gaelic Football, a sport he remembers as being a 'bit rough'.

"I played Gaelic Football with some of the local boys. It was very different, very physical," recalls Alonso. "It was great to come to a different country and different culture at that age. I was 15 and it was the first time I had ever left Spain.

"I enjoyed the Gaelic Football and watched it on television too. It was very fast, very tough. Maybe they should wear crash helmets."
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: Hardy on January 03, 2008, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on January 03, 2008, 01:52:57 PM

"I played Gaelic Football with some of the local boys ..." recalls Alonso.  ... "It was very fast, very tough. Maybe they should wear crash helmets."

Bloody anti-Meath Spaniard.
Title: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: 5 Sams on January 03, 2008, 02:16:36 PM
Whatever about playing football......it's the fact that he came from Spain to MEATH to learn English that is hard to believe ;) ;) :P
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: CSC on January 03, 2008, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on January 03, 2008, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 01, 2008, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 01, 2008, 10:01:30 PM
QuoteSocrates does not have a Sigerson Cup medal.

But Mohammed Ali did play hurling.

Xavi Alonso played Gaelic Football

I think that one can be filed under the Gerd Muller handball or Socrates Sigerson medal myth.


but did Socrates not win an All Ireland Freshers medal
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: Jinxy on January 03, 2008, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 03, 2008, 02:16:36 PM
Whatever about playing football......it's the fact that he came from Spain to MEATH to learn English that is hard to believe ;) ;) :P

Meath is very popular with Spanish kids who can't speak english good and want to learn how to do other stuff good too (like play football).
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: his holiness nb on January 03, 2008, 06:52:32 PM
His favourite Irish town is now Naaaaaaavan
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 03, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 01, 2008, 10:15:39 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 01, 2008, 08:55:05 PM
Gerry McIlhenny is the only man with an All-Star and a "Home International" (not my phrase) winners medal.
So does Gerry McElhinney
;)

Lynchbhoy in "Position To Correct Someone Else's Spelling" shocker.

Sorry Gerry.
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: Jinxy on January 04, 2008, 12:29:25 AM
Quote from: his holiness nb on January 03, 2008, 06:52:32 PM
His favourite Irish town is now Naaaaaaavan

Listen closely next time "the 'pool" are on Match of the Day. "Heeor Gerrard, pass us de bawl will ye!"
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: Pangurban on January 04, 2008, 10:49:25 PM
Not true. John Kirwan won All Ireland medal with Dublin in 1894, and was on the tottenham side which won the FA Cup in 1901..
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: Leg End on January 06, 2008, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 01, 2008, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: SuperMac on December 30, 2007, 01:52:15 PM
Just wondering, is Kevin Moran the only man to win All Ireland Senior ('76, '77) and an FA Cup medal ( '83, '85 ). Pretty good collection of medals for any man. Or if not a major soccer medal, then maybe an international Boxing title, Rugby, Golf, whatever, along with an All Ireland Senior ?



Martin O'Neill has MacRory, Ulster minor football and European Cup winners medals.



MacRory Cup is an ulster schools title
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: dublinfella on January 09, 2008, 01:29:14 AM
Quote from: CSC on January 03, 2008, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on January 03, 2008, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 01, 2008, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 01, 2008, 10:01:30 PM
QuoteSocrates does not have a Sigerson Cup medal.

But Mohammed Ali did play hurling.

Xavi Alonso played Gaelic Football

I think that one can be filed under the Gerd Muller handball or Socrates Sigerson medal myth.


but did Socrates not win an All Ireland Freshers medal

there is no such competetion and he never played any sport in Ireland. He had a trial for Bohs and wasnt up to standard at the time as he did his PhD in UCD long after his playing career finished.
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: heganboy on January 09, 2008, 03:59:48 AM
They're no such competition as all ireland freshers? I feckin knew it.
Feckin' conspiracy were all of those games and the crowd at the final a set-up? I knew there was something strange going on. Bastards
Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 09, 2008, 10:47:50 AM
there is or there WAS such a competition that ends up in an all Ireland freshers final.

I played in one and was unlucky to be on the team beaten by the cheating banger playing jordanstown in 1988.
(was told the sorry story the following summer in america by one of the Jordanstown players who I met there)
Those heady days, where I took the ball off maurice fitz and stuck it over the bar when we played ucc in our first game in our 'group stage' in the fresher competition !


Saffron sam - you'd normally be the first to correct folks in the event of a spelling mistake ... just thought I'd do the same for you ;) :D

Title: Re: Kevin Moran - only man to win All Ireland and FA Cup ?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 09, 2008, 01:16:34 PM
There definitely is an All Ireland freshers competition.

In my fresher year (2003 I think, not really sure, I have had three) Jordanstown won it, Queen's were put out by Cork, though they beat J'town in the group stages I think.