Derry V Donegal Ulster final 2022

[JoG2]

Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about

Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links 

Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?

Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands

When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.

Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.

Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about

Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links 

Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?

Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands

When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.

Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.

Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?

mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.

[JoG2]

Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about

Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links 

Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?

Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands

When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.

Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.

Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?

mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.

But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.

Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.

What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good

Derry by 25

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about

Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links 

Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?

Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands

When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.

Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.

Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?

mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.

But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.

Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.

What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good

Derry by 25

There are no fully paid coaches in the city other than neil forrester and never has been. There have however had some part time roles which has been the big problem. It is a money thing in the city as you are bringing a sport to families who have no tradition, completely different from rural areas. Most cities outside Dublin have fulltime GPOs, Belfast has Gaelfast , maybe not quite the same. Cork and Limerick both have fulltime GPOs. The schools are key in the city

[JoG2]

Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about

Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links 

Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?

Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands

When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.

Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.

Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?

mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.

But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.

Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.

What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good

Derry by 25

There are no fully paid coaches in the city other than neil forrester and never has been. There have however had some part time roles which has been the big problem. It is a money thing in the city as you are bringing a sport to families who have no tradition, completely different from rural areas. Most cities outside Dublin have fulltime GPOs, Belfast has Gaelfast , maybe not quite the same. Cork and Limerick both have fulltime GPOs. The schools are key in the city

How many primary schools in the city DO NOT avail of a paid coach? Neil does a percentage, there's other paid coaches doing the rest.

[marty34]

Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about

Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links 

Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?

Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands

When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.

Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.

Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?

mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.

But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.

Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.

What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good

Derry by 25

Heard Steelstown are near bottom of Derry league - south Derry clubs are very strong.  Best clubs in Ulster, irrespective of the age group: various senior club winners plus loads of minor club titles at that St. Paul's Tournament in Belfast.

St. Pat's Maghera and St. Mary's Magherafelt always going well in the MacRory Cup in college football. Hard to beat the tradition I'd say.

They must have things right at underage level...with the help of the neighbouring Tyrone and Antrim schools.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about

Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links 

Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?

Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands

When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.

Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.

Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?

mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.

But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.

Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.

What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good

Derry by 25

There are no fully paid coaches in the city other than neil forrester and never has been. There have however had some part time roles which has been the big problem. It is a money thing in the city as you are bringing a sport to families who have no tradition, completely different from rural areas. Most cities outside Dublin have fulltime GPOs, Belfast has Gaelfast , maybe not quite the same. Cork and Limerick both have fulltime GPOs. The schools are key in the city

How many primary schools in the city DO NOT avail of a paid coach? Neil does a percentage, there's other paid coaches doing the rest.

With the greatest of respect JoG2 there are not any schools that I am aware of that dont avail-by that I mean of their own choice. Neil is fully time paid by Steelstown with top of from county board. Brian is paid through county board and top of community grants(or was). The est were on part time contracts.

The problem is you cant cover 6-7 schools on a 12 hour contract(this is what the other coaches get). Its impossible and they cant retain coaching staff because nobody can survive on the small wage.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about

Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links 

Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?

Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands

When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.

Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.

Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?

mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.

But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.

Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.

What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good

Derry by 25

Heard Steelstown are near bottom of Derry league - south Derry clubs are very strong.  Best clubs in Ulster, irrespective of the age group: various senior club winners plus loads of minor club titles at that St. Paul's Tournament in Belfast.

St. Pat's Maghera and St. Mary's Magherafelt always going well in the MacRory Cup in college football. Hard to beat the tradition I'd say.

They must have things right at underage level...with the help of the neighbouring Tyrone and Antrim schools.

They have not trained since AIF. lads just returning last 2 weeks and you can see that in improving results, no demotion so nobody cares about league

[tbrick18]

I think some of this conversation should be moved to the Derry thread chaps!

In terms of confidence for Sunday, I personally don't know anyone confident of a Derry win.
First and foremost, everyone is hoping that we don't get tanked!
I don't personally see that happening given our performances against Tyrone and Monaghan.....but then I think back to Galway and get more nervous again.

Donegal are rightly favourites and are better equipped in terms of experience and the bench to cope with things not going their way than Derry are.
Derry are fit, conditioned, organised and have a strong spine of a team but I still think lack a little bit from the bench. For Derry to win, everything must go right for them and some things have to go wrong for Donegal.
If Donegal can disrupt what Derry have been doing so far, it's theirs to lose.

Still hoping for a Derry win.

Does there have to be a winner on the day?

Prediction: Draw
Derry to win by 2 after extra time.

[God14]

Donegal have a better goalkeeper, they have a definite edge in midfield, and vastly superior forwards. They also possess a bench that Derry would be envious of.
Derry have the better defensive individuals, but crucially Derry also have a much superior system of play.

Systems > individual talents. 

Derry to win by 3

[tbrick18]

Donegal have a better goalkeeper, they have a definite edge in midfield, and vastly superior forwards. They also possess a bench that Derry would be envious of.
Derry have the better defensive individuals, but crucially Derry also have a much superior system of play.

Systems > individual talents. 

Derry to win by 3

I honestly think the Derry goalkeeper is under-rated.
I thought he did really well the the games so far, in particular against Monaghan. Made a good early save and his kickouts were accurate.
He made one or two mistakes in the 2nd half against monaghan when they really pushed up on our kickouts, but I think that was more to do with what was happening out the field rather than him making poor judgements.

Not debating that the Donegal keeper is better, just that I think the Derry keeper is better than he gets credit for.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

I think some of this conversation should be moved to the Derry thread chaps!

In terms of confidence for Sunday, I personally don't know anyone confident of a Derry win.
First and foremost, everyone is hoping that we don't get tanked!
I don't personally see that happening given our performances against Tyrone and Monaghan.....but then I think back to Galway and get more nervous again.

Donegal are rightly favourites and are better equipped in terms of experience and the bench to cope with things not going their way than Derry are.
Derry are fit, conditioned, organised and have a strong spine of a team but I still think lack a little bit from the bench. For Derry to win, everything must go right for them and some things have to go wrong for Donegal.
If Donegal can disrupt what Derry have been doing so far, it's theirs to lose.

Still hoping for a Derry win.

Does there have to be a winner on the day?

Prediction: Draw
Derry to win by 2 after extra time.

Apologies, agreed

[JoG2]

I think some of this conversation should be moved to the Derry thread chaps!

In terms of confidence for Sunday, I personally don't know anyone confident of a Derry win.
First and foremost, everyone is hoping that we don't get tanked!
I don't personally see that happening given our performances against Tyrone and Monaghan.....but then I think back to Galway and get more nervous again.

Donegal are rightly favourites and are better equipped in terms of experience and the bench to cope with things not going their way than Derry are.
Derry are fit, conditioned, organised and have a strong spine of a team but I still think lack a little bit from the bench. For Derry to win, everything must go right for them and some things have to go wrong for Donegal.
If Donegal can disrupt what Derry have been doing so far, it's theirs to lose.

Still hoping for a Derry win.

Does there have to be a winner on the day?

Prediction: Draw
Derry to win by 2 after extra time.

Only the Hurling and Football finals will go to a replay if needed, all other games go to extra time / penalties if required.

[lenny]

I think some of this conversation should be moved to the Derry thread chaps!

In terms of confidence for Sunday, I personally don't know anyone confident of a Derry win.
First and foremost, everyone is hoping that we don't get tanked!
I don't personally see that happening given our performances against Tyrone and Monaghan.....but then I think back to Galway and get more nervous again.

Donegal are rightly favourites and are better equipped in terms of experience and the bench to cope with things not going their way than Derry are.
Derry are fit, conditioned, organised and have a strong spine of a team but I still think lack a little bit from the bench. For Derry to win, everything must go right for them and some things have to go wrong for Donegal.
If Donegal can disrupt what Derry have been doing so far, it's theirs to lose.

Still hoping for a Derry win.

Does there have to be a winner on the day?

Prediction: Draw
Derry to win by 2 after extra time.

If it goes to extra time I'd expect Donegal to win by 5 or 6. Derry have such a demanding gameplan that players will tire. We don't have enough firepower off the bench to cope either so Donegal will probably pull away. Derry need to win in normal time which is possible but you'd have to back Donegal because of their experience and consistency.

[Wildweasel74]

I think when guys were dropping of the panel they were been replaced by U-20 guys who are nowhere near that level yet and wouldn't be for a few yrs, Bench been alot stronger with McAvoy, Doherty, McFaul, Heaveron, all there, I feel during the league against weaker teams, the panel should been used more. Hard to keep guys on board, training heavy, with no game time.