Sam Maguire 2024 Group 1 - Galway, Armagh, Derry, Westmeath

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blanketattack

Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

illdecide

When you're winning games you have a spring in your step, when you're losing your legs are like lead. That's how it is and you can look at all the excuses of why someone is not doing this or that. Yes, they have had a heavy workload but i'm sure it's managed rightly by their Sports Science team. For me I'd say they're mentally fatigued rather than physically but if Derry get over the line with Westmeath and grind their way back into the Championship it's a high probability that they'll knock a team out of the Championship that have already beaten them.
I can swim a little but i can't fly an inch

Armagh18

Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2024, 04:13:43 PMWhen you're winning games you have a spring in your step, when you're losing your legs are like lead. That's how it is and you can look at all the excuses of why someone is not doing this or that. Yes, they have had a heavy workload but i'm sure it's managed rightly by their Sports Science team. For me I'd say they're mentally fatigued rather than physically but if Derry get over the line with Westmeath and grind their way back into the Championship it's a high probability that they'll knock a team out of the Championship that have already beaten them.
Very true. Looks a long way back and fair play if they can turn this around now!

JoG2

Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

tyrone08

Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

You can do it for one year but expecting players to do it for 2 years is stupid especially when its only the league.

I didn't think rory would have lasted too much longer with derry anyway. Same as when he was with donegal, you can only push the players so hard for a few years otherwise they burn out.

blanketattack

Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue

JoG2

Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue

So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok

blanketattack

Quote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue

So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok

Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.

The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.

JoG2

Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue

So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok

Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.

The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.

Or it, was drilled into the team that they needed goals and hence went for the jugular to put the game out of sight. A tired mind will literally have a player take the easiest option to him at the time ie tap the thing over, not over complete it

blanketattack

Quote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 10:50:06 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue

So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok

Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.

The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.

Or it, was drilled into the team that they needed goals and hence went for the jugular to put the game out of sight. A tired mind will literally have a player take the easiest option to him at the time ie tap the thing over, not over complete it

No, a tired mind will often do the long winded way of doing something.
I see it myself at work doing the same long winded way of doing some process, while a rested sharp mind will see a quicker more efficient way of doing it.

sensethetone

Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 10:50:06 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue

So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok

Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.

The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.

Or it, was drilled into the team that they needed goals and hence went for the jugular to put the game out of sight. A tired mind will literally have a player take the easiest option to him at the time ie tap the thing over, not over complete it

No, a tired mind will often do the long winded way of doing something.
I see it myself at work doing the same long winded way of doing some process, while a rested sharp mind will see a quicker more efficient way of doing it.


last Derry free should have been dropped in for an attempt for goal rather than getting beat by 2pts.

markl121

The whole week up to last years semi final, all the chat was we needed goals, if we don't get goals we won't win. I genuinely think we surprised ourselves as to how well we did against Kerry last year by outplaying them for most of the game. We actually didn't need the goals. But I suppose when that's been drilled into the brain it's what the players are going to look to do.

Wildweasel74

Quote from: Armagh18 on June 05, 2024, 02:52:34 PMWould love to see ourselves, Donegal or Galway get a go at Dublin, not saying any of those would beat them but just a fixture that hasn't happened in championship in a good few years, give us all something different. We've seen Kerry Dublin and Dublin Mayo enough over the last few years!
Dublin will beat any of those teams.

Blowitupref

From the Irish indo.

Armagh defender Connaire Mackin could miss his team's final All-Ireland SFC Group 1 game against Galway in Markievicz Park on Sunday week as the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) has commenced an investigation into an incident during their win over Derry last weekend.
Mackin jabbed his boot towards Conor Glass's head as the Derry midfielder lay on the ground in the 10th minute on Sunday, and while it was with minimal force it could still be enough to merit a Category 3 charge that would carry a one-game ban.

Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

JoG2