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#1

I'm sure people are going to go ballistic (no pun intended) when I ask this question, but what exactly did Hamas hope to accomplish by the attacks on October 7th?

Was it a revenge attack for decades of oppression on the Palestinians?

Was it an attempt to start a war?

Was it an attempt to derail the normalization of relations between Israel and other Muslim Countries?

Netanyahu was like Tyson Fury on Saturday night and would likely have been removed from office. Why did they give him this lifeline ?

On a scale of 1-10 how did they think Israel would respond ? (1 being do nothing, 10 being dropping a nuke)
#2
Quote from: Truthsayer on Today at 06:00:32 PM
Quote from: whitey on Today at 05:32:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on Today at 04:29:09 PMHow do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side
Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

He had long-standing strategic alliances that needed to be upheld
#3
Quote from: Itchy on Today at 04:29:09 PMHow do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side
#4
Quote from: Itchy on Today at 04:10:10 PM
Quote from: whitey on Today at 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on Today at 02:10:15 PMIt's degree lads. The Republicans want to give carte blanche to Israel. They're going mad at Biden for even pausing the shipments of 2000 lb bombs, with the House officially "rebuking" him recently. They're on tv arguing that the Gazan civilians are fair game because they elected and support Hamas. You think it's bad for the Palestinians now? Just wait till Trump wins and the GOP take back the Senate this autumn.

I know of Republicans who wouldn't care if every single resident of Gaza was killed

Their logic is that the Palestinians voted in Hamas, so they now need to live with the consequences

You don't think their are democrats that think that too?

No I don't

If there are, that would be a very peripheral group....whereas for republicans it's the default position
#5
Quote from: J70 on Today at 02:10:15 PMIt's degree lads. The Republicans want to give carte blanche to Israel. They're going mad at Biden for even pausing the shipments of 2000 lb bombs, with the House officially "rebuking" him recently. They're on tv arguing that the Gazan civilians are fair game because they elected and support Hamas. You think it's bad for the Palestinians now? Just wait till Trump wins and the GOP take back the Senate this autumn.

I know of Republicans who wouldn't care if every single resident of Gaza was killed

Their logic is that the Palestinians voted in Hamas, so they now need to live with the consequences
#6
Can someone enlighten me as to the nuances/differences between all the different LOI Clubs in the Dublin area

Are their allegiances specific to particular professions or geographical areas?

We're there fewer clubs at one time that subsequently split?

Are some clubs more working class than others?

Is there crossover between Rugby/GAA and particular clubs

What are the biggest rivalries?

That sort of thing

Thanks

#7
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2024, 12:28:04 PMSF are on the slide. They were the rebellious vote. But are no longer in that mould.

A rebel without a cause. And not even a rebel anymore!




Trying to be "woke" in an effort to appeal to younger more progressive voters has backfired spectacularly.

The "Republican" movement has deep roots in socialism (and Marxism) so I'm not surprised they are in favor of open borders, but that doesn't sit well with about 80% of the electorate

#8
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 16, 2024, 12:45:49 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 16, 2024, 08:08:33 AMSF down 5 points in latest opinion poll.

I saw that


But I also saw FG going up by 4 which I find hard to believe

Elections are decided by the voters, not the polls. It will all depend on who can turn out their voters on the day
#9
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 15, 2024, 07:38:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:34:10 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.

Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.

No-that's not what I said

I said their FPV % would drop by 25-33% off their 2020 GE FPV% where they got 24.5% of FPVs



General elections and Co Council elections 2 different things.

Never said they were

2020 should be Sinn Feins baseline. That's what I'm basing my prediction off
#10
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 15, 2024, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:30:19 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:11:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:59:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE

Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections

I'm going to say they will come in at 18%

You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.

Yes

But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election

https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub

Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive



haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.

Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.

Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)



So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?

Yes and yes

1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around

Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some

Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government

OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.

What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.

I'm saying Sinn Feins FPV % will fall by somewhere between 25% and 33% over what the received in 2020



How many MEPs will they lose/gain and how many co councillors will they lose/gain. Surely a man with your local knowledge knows enough to make that prediction.

Don't know because it depends on Turnout and transfers which no one can predict

Well it's great we found something you don't know. If you were in Ireland you could have watched a harrowing 3 part series into the deaths of 48 people in the Stardust fire. Lynn Boylan has worked with those working class families for years to secure a new inquest which in the end finally brought truth to the fore. Lynn Boylan will top the poll by a mile in Dublin. At the same time the people you seem to have similar beliefs to, are out burning buildings. Think about that.


No need to be getting mad at me just because Sinn Fein screwed up and sold out their base to the NGOs

I'll stand by my prediction-Sinn Feins FPV% vote will decline by 25-33% versus what they got during the 2020 general election

I'll make a €50 donation to a charity of your choice if I'm wrong

#11
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 15, 2024, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.

Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.

No-that's not what I said

I said their FPV % would drop by 25-33% off their 2020 GE FPV% where they got 24.5% of FPVs

#12
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 15, 2024, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:11:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:59:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE

Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections

I'm going to say they will come in at 18%

You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.

Yes

But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election

https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub

Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive



haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.

Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.

Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)



So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?

Yes and yes

1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around

Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some

Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government

OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.

What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.

I'm saying Sinn Feins FPV % will fall by somewhere between 25% and 33% over what the received in 2020



How many MEPs will they lose/gain and how many co councillors will they lose/gain. Surely a man with your local knowledge knows enough to make that prediction.

Don't know because it depends on Turnout and transfers which no one can predict
#13
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 15, 2024, 07:11:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:59:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE

Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections

I'm going to say they will come in at 18%

You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.

Yes

But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election

https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub

Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive



haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.

Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.

Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)



So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?

Yes and yes

1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around

Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some

Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government

OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.

What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.

I'm saying Sinn Feins FPV % will fall by somewhere between 25% and 33% over what the received in 2020

#14
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE

Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections

I'm going to say they will come in at 18%

You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.

Yes

But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election

https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub

Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive



haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.

Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.

Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)



So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?

Yes and yes

1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around

Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some

Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government
#15
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE

Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections

I'm going to say they will come in at 18%

You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.

Yes

But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election

https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub

Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive



haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.

Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.

Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)