Man Utd Thread:

[laoislad]

[ballinaman]

Bergkamp should have headed it so instead of taking it down v Argentina. He backed his own ability to control the ball and caught Arbeola.

That's not comparing apples with apples. Bergkamp's foot was about a foot or two off the ground to control that ball. Nani was already a foot or more in the air before he launched his hoof.

If there were red cards for cowardice alone then Nani deserved one.

Watch both video's again and then you go and take a shite!

Red cards for cowardice? What's that got to do with anything? At the least try and be objective, I know its hard when it comes to United (Liverpool for some lads, Tony F for Arsenal ect) for some people but give it a go, people might actually value and listen to your opinion on other matters.Players take the ball down from that height regularly enough, just happened to dig Arbeola in the ribs this time. It was a 50/50 call, end of story.

[Bord na Mona man]

On the sending off, if that's the rate things are going, Van Persie risked getting a red had he clipped an opponent with his attempted overhead kick in the box. The Real keeper could also have been in red peril for catching Vidic around the head when Vidic beat him to a cross. Assuming lack of malice and going for the ball are not valid defences, as people are claiming here.

As alluded to, Utd will be disappointed with the manner in which they defended with 10 men. Chelsea against Barca last year was the template to stop a continental team who can't use the option of the high ball. Set up 2 layers of defending players, one on the 18 yard line and one 10 yards in front of them and smother the opposition when they try and work it through. For Modric's goal for example, there were too many Utd players in a row defending the edge of the box. One eventually shot out to close to close him down, but was easily rounded.

That's the problem when you beat most teams at a stroll in the Premier League and rarely have to put in a backs to the wall performance.

[deiseach]

Rafaels was not a definite

Penalty. Had that been at the other end, Fergie would have, well, done a Fergie.

[ballinaman]

Thought this was interesting enough. 50/50 decisions both of them IMO, another day a ref could have reversed the decisions. Good to have a read of the actual laws.



FIFA Law 12: "Reckless" means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent. A player who plays in a reckless manner shall be cautioned.

This seems to sum up fairly well the two incidents above. Both Diego López and Nani were trying to win the ball but both of them went in without considering the consequences for their opponent. Nani caught Alvaro Arbeloa with his studs, Diego López punched Nemanja Vidic in the head with both fists.
Nani got sent off and López wasn't even booked

FIFA Law 12: "Using excessive force" means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent. A player who uses excessive force shall be sent off.
Whilst both Nani and López were in danger of injuring an opponent, neither of them used excessive force.

FIFA Law 12: If a player plays in a dangerous manner in a "normal" challenge, the referee should not take any disciplinary action. If the action is made with obvious risk of injury the referee should caution the player. If a player denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity in a dangerous manner the referee should send off the player.

Again, the Laws of the game would suggest that at worst, Nani should have been booked.

[johnneycool]

What was Real's goal in the first half disallowed for?

[ballinaman]

What was Real's goal in the first half disallowed for?

Soft push on RVP by Ramos.

[No Soloing]

Thought this was interesting enough. 50/50 decisions both of them IMO, another day a ref could have reversed the decisions. Good to have a read of the actual laws.


FIFA Law 12: "Reckless" means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent. A player who plays in a reckless manner shall be cautioned.

This seems to sum up fairly well the two incidents above. Both Diego López and Nani were trying to win the ball but both of them went in without considering the consequences for their opponent. Nani caught Alvaro Arbeloa with his studs, Diego López punched Nemanja Vidic in the head with both fists.
Nani got sent off and López wasn't even booked

FIFA Law 12: "Using excessive force" means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent. A player who uses excessive force shall be sent off.
Whilst both Nani and López were in danger of injuring an opponent, neither of them used excessive force.

FIFA Law 12: If a player plays in a dangerous manner in a "normal" challenge, the referee should not take any disciplinary action. If the action is made with obvious risk of injury the referee should caution the player. If a player denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity in a dangerous manner the referee should send off the player.

Again, the Laws of the game would suggest that at worst, Nani should have been booked.

10 pages since the match ended!

I had similar thinking about Lopez & Vidic. If Nani's tackle is reckless or dangerous without regard to another players then its arguable that a goalkeeper coming for a cross or corner leading with 2 fists is in the same category. Or, any player jumping for a header with their arms raised. Jeez, you could even argue that somebody booting a free-kick at a group of players lined up 10 yards away and hitting one of them in the head is 'endangering the safety of an opponent'.

[sans pessimism]

AF not appearing at the PC was not very
mature.If the decision was the other way around
would he have been a no show?.As he said the last night,
(after fulham game)refs calls even out out over the
season-prob didnt think it would happen so soon.

[EC Unique]

Nani lead with the foot but did not see the player. The player coming in could see Nani, Should he have been sent off for putting himself and Nani in danger?

The whole thing is a joke and was never a red in my book. It is a mans sport.

It's over now so should just get the PL wrapped up (again) asap and enjoy the summer.

[imtommygunn]

Nani lead with the foot but did not see the player. The player coming in could see Nani, Should he have been sent off for putting himself and Nani in danger?

That isn't even close to making any sense.

[nrico2006]

Nani lead with the foot but did not see the player. The player coming in could see Nani, Should he have been sent off for putting himself and Nani in danger?

The whole thing is a joke and was never a red in my book. It is a mans sport.

It's over now so should just get the PL wrapped up (again) asap and enjoy the summer.

Good point EC.

As for the Rafael incident, the ball hit his hands which he has used to jump up to attempt to head the ball, have seen them given but that is not a penalty and even at the time I could see from the reaction of the Madrid players that none of them thought it was either.

[EC Unique]

Nani lead with the foot but did not see the player. The player coming in could see Nani, Should he have been sent off for putting himself and Nani in danger?

That isn't even close to making any sense.

Exactly

[imtommygunn]

Nani lead with the foot but did not see the player. The player coming in could see Nani, Should he have been sent off for putting himself and Nani in danger?

That isn't even close to making any sense.

Exactly

I didn't agree with the sending off and was very surprised to see it at the time. However the fact that quite a few think it was a red would suggest that there may have been something in it and the ref probably wasn't the only ref that would have given it.

It's not just ABU people that think it was a red.

[the Deel Rover]

I thought Roy Keane was going to explode on Tv last night. You could see that Dixon and Southgate are scared shit*less of him . I initially didn't think it was a sending off but looking at it on slow motion I think the ref got it right .