Congress

[Blowitupref]

Overseas votes UK, Canada, Australia, Asia etc have 34
votes

These should not be allowed vote or even attend a meeting concerned with the structure of the game in Ireland.

Debatable alright. The majority of overseas votes are expected to vote in favour of Proposal B.

[Hound]

5 out of 8 is fair enough but the 3/1/1 from the lower Divisions is what would irk team 6.

But the point of the 3/1/1 is to give the small teams a chance of reaching the knockout stages, rather than just the best 8 teams

[Hound]

So lets be honest about the proposals and what they will establish. This will result in the cementing of a small number of counties to elite status.

Small / weaker counties will just have to focus on a secondary competition that will not generate any fanfare, unless you boot the minor final away from All Ireland final day and have the "A & B " final on the same day. But will that help the development of the games?

Lets also be clear, that one of the core foundations that drove the popularity of the GAA is over, the provincial championships. In time, we will lose the days out in Clones, the Derry - Tyrone, Armagh - Down, Armagh -Tyrone derby games will be lessened  and we will have one less meaningful competition to play for.

Lastly, county football is representative elite level sport. If your not up to the standard, then its up to the county board to fix it.

I see noting wrong with a ranking system, based on 1 - League, 2 provincial championships. Range the teams from 1 to 32, with play offs with the lower ranked teams to get the 32'nd spot. Then have an all ireland championship, straight knockout, no backdoor.

It will provide the div 1 teams the benefit of playing in the higher league, and the weaker teams still have a shot of playing the big boys in an knockout.

FA cup works well, and the smaller teams all focus on getting to the 4th or 5th round when the big teams join. NCAA basket ball works well when the smaller colleges get a shot at the big boys in March madness.

Anything where the competition is ring fenced to the strong counties, will create problems down the road, just as the backdoor system did

Have you read Proposal B?
You seem to completely misunderstand it.
For example, Leitrim who have no chance of winning Connacht, now have a realistic chance of getting to the All Ireland knockout stages by winning Div 4, or even Div 3 with a bit of progression. They still get to play Connacht, albeit they'll still get beaten out the gate, but after that they'll get 7 competitive summer games against similar level opponents and at least the opportunity for progression. There's no system that makes Leitrim All Ireland challengers, but at least Proposal B gives their players a reason to play. Hence the reason Leitrim management and players are strongly in favour. 

[Blowitupref]

So lets be honest about the proposals and what they will establish. This will result in the cementing of a small number of counties to elite status.

Small / weaker counties will just have to focus on a secondary competition that will not generate any fanfare, unless you boot the minor final away from All Ireland final day and have the "A & B " final on the same day. But will that help the development of the games?

Lets also be clear, that one of the core foundations that drove the popularity of the GAA is over, the provincial championships. In time, we will lose the days out in Clones, the Derry - Tyrone, Armagh - Down, Armagh -Tyrone derby games will be lessened  and we will have one less meaningful competition to play for.

Lastly, county football is representative elite level sport. If your not up to the standard, then its up to the county board to fix it.

I see noting wrong with a ranking system, based on 1 - League, 2 provincial championships. Range the teams from 1 to 32, with play offs with the lower ranked teams to get the 32'nd spot. Then have an all ireland championship, straight knockout, no backdoor.

It will provide the div 1 teams the benefit of playing in the higher league, and the weaker teams still have a shot of playing the big boys in an knockout.

FA cup works well, and the smaller teams all focus on getting to the 4th or 5th round when the big teams join. NCAA basket ball works well when the smaller colleges get a shot at the big boys in March madness.

Anything where the competition is ring fenced to the strong counties, will create problems down the road, just as the backdoor system did

Have you read Proposal B?
You seem to completely misunderstand it.
For example, Leitrim who have no chance of winning Connacht, now have a realistic chance of getting to the All Ireland knockout stages by winning Div 4, or even Div 3 with a bit of progression. They still get to play Connacht, albeit they'll still get beaten out the gate, but after that they'll get 7 competitive summer games against similar level opponents and at least the opportunity for progression. There's no system that makes Leitrim All Ireland challengers, but at least Proposal B gives their players a reason to play. Hence the reason Leitrim management and players are strongly in favour.

The Connacht competition under the current proposal B is the FBD. They won that competition in 2013,2014 and it didn't do a lot to improve them nor has the NFL 7 games with similar level opponents.

If running with a league format for the championship HQ should look at bringing back the Div 1A 1B, 2A, 2B format.

[Kickham csc]

So lets be honest about the proposals and what they will establish. This will result in the cementing of a small number of counties to elite status.

Small / weaker counties will just have to focus on a secondary competition that will not generate any fanfare, unless you boot the minor final away from All Ireland final day and have the "A & B " final on the same day. But will that help the development of the games?

Lets also be clear, that one of the core foundations that drove the popularity of the GAA is over, the provincial championships. In time, we will lose the days out in Clones, the Derry - Tyrone, Armagh - Down, Armagh -Tyrone derby games will be lessened  and we will have one less meaningful competition to play for.

Lastly, county football is representative elite level sport. If your not up to the standard, then its up to the county board to fix it.

I see noting wrong with a ranking system, based on 1 - League, 2 provincial championships. Range the teams from 1 to 32, with play offs with the lower ranked teams to get the 32'nd spot. Then have an all ireland championship, straight knockout, no backdoor.

It will provide the div 1 teams the benefit of playing in the higher league, and the weaker teams still have a shot of playing the big boys in an knockout.

FA cup works well, and the smaller teams all focus on getting to the 4th or 5th round when the big teams join. NCAA basket ball works well when the smaller colleges get a shot at the big boys in March madness.

Anything where the competition is ring fenced to the strong counties, will create problems down the road, just as the backdoor system did

Have you read Proposal B?
You seem to completely misunderstand it.
For example, Leitrim who have no chance of winning Connacht, now have a realistic chance of getting to the All Ireland knockout stages by winning Div 4, or even Div 3 with a bit of progression. They still get to play Connacht, albeit they'll still get beaten out the gate, but after that they'll get 7 competitive summer games against similar level opponents and at least the opportunity for progression. There's no system that makes Leitrim All Ireland challengers, but at least Proposal B gives their players a reason to play. Hence the reason Leitrim management and players are strongly in favour.

I have read it, and the inclusion of this feature is basically an acknowledgement that there is a major problem with the proposal in regards to excluding the weaker counties from proper championship against the bigger counties. Throw them a bone and they'll vote for it.

Can someone please point out a situation in any other sport where the top 5 of Div 1 would qualify for a knockout, but the remaining 3 don't, but teams from a lower leagues will qualify.  And how long would this situation last.

Also 2 teams will qulify for the preliminary play offs, but 14 teams wont. That's the point. And what are the odds on having the same 2-3 teams winning the Div 3 or Div 4 leagues. Too weak for the higher league but too strong for the lower.

Also, how are the teams who finish 6,7,8 in Div 1 and 4,5,6,7,8, in Div two feel. They wont have any knockout championship football after the league.

I'm sorry, but the proposals are too fecking messy, and even a blind man can see future issues arising

[Captain Obvious]

From Armaghs point of view staying up in Division 1 was seen as progress. Under proposal B teams in Division 2, 3,4 will have a better chance to be one of the 10 teams in the AI series. Such progress will be gone to waste.

[twohands!!!]

All these counties confirmed in favour of Option B
Meath
Tipperary
Kildare
Cork
Longford
Down
Clare
Louth
Westmeath
Offaly

Warwickshire supposedly leaning towards being in favour

Delegates decide on the day (and from looking at what they have said there's a reasonable chance all of these 4 might vote in favour of Option B)
Wexford - the following is from the Wexford GAA websiter "The Senior Football Team preferred option for 2022 is Proposal B. There was clear support from Club delegates for the need for change to the status quo. It was agreed that Wexford GAA's delegates to Special Congress should consider the debate on Saturday and any proposed amendments and vote in the interest of change and Wexford GAA."
Laois
Waterford
Kerry

Individuals who have come out in favour of Option B
President Larry McCarthy and director general Tom Ryan (although he doesn't have a vote)
Ex-President Sean Kelly in favour
Ex-President John Horan called for a two year trial of Option B

The only people who have come out against it are the 4 Provincial Secretaries.

Roscommon and Sligo confirmed in favour of Option B

Still no county have come out in favour of Option A or the status quo.

[thewobbler]

From Armaghs point of view staying up in Division 1 was seen as progress. Under proposal B teams in Division 2, 3,4 will have a better chance to be one of the 10 teams in the AI series. Such progress will be gone to waste.

If they finish in the bottom 2 they'll be relegated to D2 for the following season, when they'll then enjoy this "advantage".

[dublin7]

Is there any sport in the world that allows every team into the knock out stages after the league stage is completed? Over 7 games the best teams will qualify and those that miss out can't have any excuses or blame anyone but themselves.

Also under option B the teams in Div 3 & 4 instead of having to play pointless qualifiers just to get hammered for a 2nd time get to compete for a trophy they have a realistic chance of winning. I think that's far more relevant than complaining about being punished for being the 6th best team in an 8 team League

[thewobbler]

Is there any sport in the world that allows every team into the knock out stages after the league stage is completed? Over 7 games the best teams will qualify and those that miss out can't have any excuses or blame anyone but themselves.

Also under option B the teams in Div 3 & 4 instead of having to play pointless qualifiers just to get hammered for a 2nd time get to compete for a trophy they have a realistic chance of winning. I think that's far more relevant than complaining about being punished for being the 6th best team in an 8 team League

No, no, no. Apparently we must feel sorry for anyone who can't finish in the top half of their league.

[Captain Obvious]

Is there any sport in the world that allows every team into the knock out stages after the league stage is completed? Over 7 games the best teams will qualify and those that miss out can't have any excuses or blame anyone but themselves.

Also under option B the teams in Div 3 & 4 instead of having to play pointless qualifiers just to get hammered for a 2nd time get to compete for a trophy they have a realistic chance of winning. I think that's far more relevant than complaining about being punished for being the 6th best team in an 8 team League

Eight of the ten best teams are probably in Division 1.  Blame themselves while ignoring the fact they will be playing in a far tougher divsion ah now..

[Captain Obvious]

Is there any sport in the world that allows every team into the knock out stages after the league stage is completed? Over 7 games the best teams will qualify and those that miss out can't have any excuses or blame anyone but themselves.

Also under option B the teams in Div 3 & 4 instead of having to play pointless qualifiers just to get hammered for a 2nd time get to compete for a trophy they have a realistic chance of winning. I think that's far more relevant than complaining about being punished for being the 6th best team in an 8 team League

Eight of the ten best teams are probably in Division 1.  Blame themselves while ignoring the fact they will be playing in a far tougher divsion ah now..

a division 4 team needs to win the league so whats tougher for a division 4 team to win their league or a  division 1 team  to come in top 5

The latter as all Division 1 teams would win Division 4.

[dublin7]

Is there any sport in the world that allows every team into the knock out stages after the league stage is completed? Over 7 games the best teams will qualify and those that miss out can't have any excuses or blame anyone but themselves.

Also under option B the teams in Div 3 & 4 instead of having to play pointless qualifiers just to get hammered for a 2nd time get to compete for a trophy they have a realistic chance of winning. I think that's far more relevant than complaining about being punished for being the 6th best team in an 8 team League

Eight of the ten best teams are probably in Division 1.  Blame themselves while ignoring the fact they will be playing in a far tougher divsion ah now..

The teams that finished above them are all better, but they should be allowed try again against them in the knock out stages? Sure put all the div 1 teams in the knock out stages then if that's the case. A line has to be drawn somewhere. Expecting a team to be the 5th best to qualify isn't unreasonable

[Harold Disgracey]

Armagh voted against both proposals.

[thewobbler]

It's just a wee touch short sighted  and paranoid from Armagh. Their best chance of winning an AI in the next 5 years is so much about them being in the qualifiers.... but teams in it around their level like Galway, Roscommon, Mayo, Cork... not being there to take them out.