It is very much apparent that Kilkenny have dominated Waterford in their past fixtures. But do you guys think Waterford can still redeem their glory later? ;)
They went a bit of the way today
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2016, 03:57:09 PM
They went a bit of the way today
Stood up to Kilkenny on most areas, and still have plenty to come, would love to see them retain it and go little further this year
Waterford's defence was good today, though the Kilkenny forwards were shockingly poor. Come the summer they will have made a massive improvement and it will be interesting to see how the Deise get on against forward lines which are more in form come the warmer months. I think the amount of wides Waterford hit will be a major concern for them, as I recall there was a similarity last season and it will cost them if they don't solve it.
The blaas played well today .
Quote from: Angus on February 14, 2016, 09:51:33 AM
It is very much apparent that Kilkenny have dominated Waterford in their past fixtures. But do you guys think Waterford can still redeem their glory later? ;)
You could substitute Waterford for any county. And I'd love if other teams redeemed their glory, sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Kilkevan on February 14, 2016, 05:40:22 PM
Waterford's defence was good today, though the Kilkenny forwards were shockingly poor. Come the summer they will have made a massive improvement and it will be interesting to see how the Deise get on against forward lines which are more in form come the warmer months. I think the amount of wides Waterford hit will be a major concern for them, as I recall there was a similarity last season and it will cost them if they don't solve it.
They'll need to find a couple of forwards this year after losing Aylward and Richie Power. They can't be relying on TJ and Richie to be outstanding every time they go out. They have the Fennellys too but Colin has plenty of off days and you wouldn't be too worried about the likes of Walter Walsh, Mark Kelly and John Power. It's early days of course but the way Waterford dominated today gives everyone a bit more hope for the year ahead.
Galway were very impressive too and noticeably fired up. I think the fact that they ousted Cunningham puts them in a position where they have to deliver this year, and with loads of motivation and talent I'd be optimistic about them this year.
Dublin seem to be regressing badly under Ger Cunningham and after a couple of big players leaving the panel, I wouldn't be surprised if there's trouble brewing.
Kilkenny would have hoped to win this one to keep Waterford under the hoof. I'd say they're a little bit uneasy about the strides Waterford have been making.
Think it was interesting to compare the size of the two teams. Waterford looked the bigger stronger side in most areas of the field.
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Given the location in the hurling centre right between KK, Cork and Tipp I don't understand how the Deise only have 2 all Irelands
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 09:02:44 AM
Given the location in the hurling centre right between KK, Cork and Tipp I don't understand how the Deise only have 2 all Irelands
Because their neighbours are superior vastly hurling counties. You could ask the same about Carlow, Wexford, Clare, Galway...
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 09:02:44 AM
Given the location in the hurling centre right between KK, Cork and Tipp I don't understand how the Deise only have 2 all Irelands
KK, Cork and Tipp have won 72% of All Irelands. In the old days before the back door Waterford would have had to beat more than likely all three to win an AI. KK on the other hand would have had to beat only one! Winning is a tradition and when you don't have a winning tradition it's hard to break into that mold.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 22, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 09:02:44 AM
Given the location in the hurling centre right between KK, Cork and Tipp I don't understand how the Deise only have 2 all Irelands
KK, Cork and Tipp have won 72% of All Irelands. In the old days before the back door Waterford would have had to beat more than likely all three to win an AI. KK on the other hand would have had to beat only one! Winning is a tradition and when you don't have a winning tradition it's hard to break into that mold.
If there was a back door, there would have been a lot of Cork vs. Tipperary All Ireland finals. Kilkenny always had the luxury of a cakewalk in Leinster and they could show up fresh on All Ireland Sunday.
Horseshite. Wexford gave them their fill of it for years, and Offaly regularly thumped them in the 80s and i90s. Kilkenny's cakewalk is a relatively recent phenomenon.
And for long periods you're talking about Clare were piss, Waterford weren't much better and it was basically a toss up between Cork and Tipp with Limerick showing flashes every 20 years or so. Tipp should have a pile more All Irelands really.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 22, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Horseshite. Wexford gave them their fill of it for years, and Offaly regularly thumped them in the 80s and i90s. Kilkenny's cakewalk is a relatively recent phenomenon.
And for long periods you're talking about Clare were piss, Waterford weren't much better and it was basically a toss up between Cork and Tipp with Limerick showing flashes every 20 years or so. Tipp should have a pile more All Irelands really.
Tipp really haven't been prolific in the AI winning front since the 60's and at best picking up 2 AI's late 80's, early 90's, averaging one a decade since 1965. Kilkenny have picked up 20 in the same time frame, Cork 10.
That in itself is astonishing considering the size and hurling resources within the county.
Major underachievers in that regard.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 22, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Horseshite. Wexford gave them their fill of it for years, and Offaly regularly thumped them in the 80s and i90s. Kilkenny's cakewalk is a relatively recent phenomenon.
And for long periods you're talking about Clare were piss, Waterford weren't much better and it was basically a toss up between Cork and Tipp with Limerick showing flashes every 20 years or so. Tipp should have a pile more All Irelands really.
Before Cody took over, Kilkenny had won 25 All Irelands and lost 22 finals. Not much better than a 50% win rate.
Tipperary had won 24 All Irelands and had only lost 8 finals, 75%.
From that you can see that Kilkenny were getting easy routes to finals where they got routinely picked off by stronger Munster counties. Tipperary's biggest obstacle was the much tougher Munster championship.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 22, 2016, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 22, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Horseshite. Wexford gave them their fill of it for years, and Offaly regularly thumped them in the 80s and i90s. Kilkenny's cakewalk is a relatively recent phenomenon.
And for long periods you're talking about Clare were piss, Waterford weren't much better and it was basically a toss up between Cork and Tipp with Limerick showing flashes every 20 years or so. Tipp should have a pile more All Irelands really.
Before Cody took over, Kilkenny had won 25 All Irelands and lost 22 finals. Not much better than a 50% win rate.
Tipperary had won 24 All Irelands and had only lost 8 finals, 75%.
From that you can see that Kilkenny were getting easy routes to finals where they got routinely picked off by stronger Munster counties. Tipperary's biggest obstacle was the much tougher Munster championship.
Time for an open draw it seems!
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 22, 2016, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 22, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Horseshite. Wexford gave them their fill of it for years, and Offaly regularly thumped them in the 80s and i90s. Kilkenny's cakewalk is a relatively recent phenomenon.
And for long periods you're talking about Clare were piss, Waterford weren't much better and it was basically a toss up between Cork and Tipp with Limerick showing flashes every 20 years or so. Tipp should have a pile more All Irelands really.
Before Cody took over, Kilkenny had won 25 All Irelands and lost 22 finals. Not much better than a 50% win rate.
Tipperary had won 24 All Irelands and had only lost 8 finals, 75%.
From that you can see that Kilkenny were getting easy routes to finals where they got routinely picked off by stronger Munster counties. Tipperary's biggest obstacle was the much tougher Munster championship.
Had to google it, but PE is right about Tipperary winning loads of AIs back in the day.
Wonder what the stats are like "post Cody".