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Dublin v Meath - Dublin by 7
Kildare v Westmeath - Kildare by 6
Tipperary v Limerick - Limerick by 4
Monaghan v Derry - Monaghan by 1

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I thought there was a push by Murphy on the goal

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Can see why it wasnt given but the same foul out the field has been blown twice so far.

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Cork v Kerry - Kerry by 5
Leitrim v Galway - Galway by 13
Donegal v Cavan - Donegal by 7

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General discussion / Re: Live in North work in South
« on: May 02, 2022, 07:47:42 PM »
I am living in North of Ireland but looking at a few jobs down south. Plan would be to travel down each day

Question is how does the pay work? Do I get paid in euros or pounds or does it depend on the employer? .

No expert in this at all but had a friend recently complain that as her salary was in Euro she couldnít get a mortgage to buy a house in the North. Is that specific to that bank or is this a widespread problem

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Is that not a red for Harte too??
Under what rule?

Potentially a black if it was a deliberate pull down, but I think a penalty with no card was the right decision. I donít think he was trying to foul, but he did, and no more than that.

Sorry youíre right it was a black I got the rule confused

I didnít think it was a black card.  A foul yes but not a black

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Wexford v Dublin -        Dublin by 12
Kildare v Louth -            Kildare by 5
Meath v Wicklow -         Meath by 8
Westmeath v Longford - Westmeath by 5   
Roscommon v Sligo -      Roscommon by 6
Clare v Limerick -           Clare by 4
Waterford v Tipperary - Tipperary by 5
Derry v Tyrone -          Tyrone by 2
Monaghan v Down -   Monaghan by 10

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GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022
« on: April 28, 2022, 11:20:34 PM »
But they can't ref at that level without passing the fitness test, which is a high enough bar to be fair, they also have the rules test, which again the pass rate is late 90'!

The inconsistency or consistency you are getting or looking for is impossible as the game has so many different variables to rugby and cannot be used as an example, the rules are straight forward and the game is played at a 10th of the pace , the referee is literally 2 meters from play, again impossible for our games.

You mentioned players learning how a ref plays his game and learning from his pattern of play, that is a must for any decent player or manager worth his salt to understand, if a player goes in blindly to how a ref approaches a game then I find that daft..

Some ref's give extra steps in a tackle, some blow for the slightest touch and others forget their cards and don't mind a little hustle in the tackle, other refs are very rulesy and you need to know that .

I think this comes back to what do you look for in a ref. Some have no issues with refs who consistently allow extra steps or consistently allow borderline fouls to go unpunished. Others Iíve spoken to including inter county players prefer referees who make the odd mistake but try to ref in the same way as all the others.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022
« on: April 27, 2022, 10:27:50 PM »
Sorry having looked at that again you may be right although it seems like his arms go over OíNeills shoulders. I also canít see a rip as such. I donít think itís the clearest though. I also think the whistle has already gone before that. I just find it interesting that there seems to be no clear consensus about what the foul is amongst those who think there is a foul. Anyway at least it didnít matter and it wasnít the reason I thought Deegan had a poor game.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022
« on: April 27, 2022, 09:56:55 PM »
I just wonder how much in depth knowledge of the rule book do pundits and commentators actually have.

The amount of bullsh*t reasons given, since introduction, for a black card needing issued are astonishing (and continue to be uttered)

On Sunday, not 1 in the 'studio' or commentating on BBC even suggested that the free might have been for a foul under 4.8 "To wrest the ball from an opponent who has caught the ball" ..not even mentioning that as a possibility and then discounting it....

The keeper didnít catch the ball. ONeill did.

Great. The solicitors are going to parse the legal definition of "caught" now. ;D

To me it looked like it bounced in and out of his hands. Besides is there not a definition of caught in the rule book to allow for marks.

1. BOUNCE  For a player who has caught the ball to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and to catch it on return to his hand(s) again.

or 4.7 - To play the ball up with the hand(s) and catch it again before it touches the ground, another player, or goal-posts.

I'd say that could have given the ref leeway enough to call it a 'catch / caught' in this instance - ball was loose in the air and keeper got it into his hands = caught

I was using bounce in the ordinary context. Surely for it to be a catch there must be an element of control otherwise youíd have far more marks given under contested high balls.

It seems to me that there are too broad schools of thought on the incident.

One there was no foul and the goal should have stood. I subscribe to that school of thought as do others.

Two there was definitely a foul but it canít be agreed wether it was for charging (which I can understand but donít agree with it) whether it was a foul on the keeper (which I donít see) or for how the ball ended up in the net which to me looks like itís actually put in the net by a Donegal player.

How In those circumstances it can be stated that 99/100 refs would award a foul I donít know but what I do know is the 1 ref that mattered adjudged it a foul and we may never know why.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022
« on: April 27, 2022, 02:27:07 PM »
I just wonder how much in depth knowledge of the rule book do pundits and commentators actually have.

The amount of bullsh*t reasons given, since introduction, for a black card needing issued are astonishing (and continue to be uttered)

On Sunday, not 1 in the 'studio' or commentating on BBC even suggested that the free might have been for a foul under 4.8 "To wrest the ball from an opponent who has caught the ball" ..not even mentioning that as a possibility and then discounting it....

The keeper didnít catch the ball. ONeill did.

Great. The solicitors are going to parse the legal definition of "caught" now. ;D

To me it looked like it bounced in and out of his hands. Besides is there not a definition of caught in the rule book to allow for marks.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022
« on: April 27, 2022, 02:13:48 AM »
True but the whistle had gone by that stage. The Armagh players didnít go to celebrate either as they immediately went to remonstrate with Deegan. In essence I think the umpires had played to the whistle and stopped

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GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022
« on: April 26, 2022, 10:04:05 PM »
Am I the  only person in Ireland who construed this as charging?

OíNeill had his head down and was burrowing into the keeper. If he had the ball, it was charging. If not, it was an some special kind of illegal move that you rarely see, along the lines of tackling with the head.

Itís a free 99/100 and Martin Sludden would never make that same  call again.

What point do you think heís charging?  To me he seems to catch the ball, turn, fall and then try and get back up, drop the ball and then try and pick it up. Yes heís leaving forward but thatís from falling and from bending to lift the ball. I genuinely donít see a charge. I definitely donít think itís given as a foul any more than 50/50.

Anyway I think the debate shows it ambiguous enough, so Iíll go back to at least it probably didnít matter.

Around the 30 second mark on this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/61207999

His head is down in Pattonís midriff for a couple of seconds. Iíve absolutely no idea who had possession of the ball during those seconds. It probably switched a coupon of times. But whether head down with the ball, head down without the ball, I would make it the most obvious call among a dozen indecipherables.

Ahh ok. To me he seems to bent over trying to come up rather than charging through but I can see where you are coming from.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022
« on: April 26, 2022, 09:32:34 PM »
I have seen the disallowed goal. I canít see anything obvious as to why not was disallowed but at the same time I canít see anything obvious as to why it should have been allowed. If it was off stripping the ball from the jeers hands fair enough but thereís no way Deegan could have seen it from where he was. Woukd he have been given the call by an umpire?

Can the umpire make such a call? 

Surely the position has to be you allow the goal unless you see a reason not to (although in this instance the free seems to have been awarded well before the ball even touches the keepers hands). Rather than you donít allow the goal unless you see a reason to. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022
« on: April 26, 2022, 09:29:33 PM »
Am I the  only person in Ireland who construed this as charging?

OíNeill had his head down and was burrowing into the keeper. If he had the ball, it was charging. If not, it was an some special kind of illegal move that you rarely see, along the lines of tackling with the head.

Itís a free 99/100 and Martin Sludden would never make that same  call again.

What point do you think heís charging?  To me he seems to catch the ball, turn, fall and then try and get back up, drop the ball and then try and pick it up. Yes heís leaving forward but thatís from falling and from bending to lift the ball. I genuinely donít see a charge. I definitely donít think itís given as a foul any more than 50/50.

Anyway I think the debate shows it ambiguous enough, so Iíll go back to at least it probably didnít matter.

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