The Estate

[HiMucker]

Its not the celled benefit that should be stopped its the child care benefit that should be stopped!  My partner and myself both work full time and have to pay £100 a week in child care.  However single unemployed parents or parents on DLA or job seekers allowance get the child care free!  So they sit at home and send their kids to the creche!  We are now looking to get a place for the kid in a pre school which will save us a bit of money, however these places go to kids whose parent are on job seekers allowance or DLA first.

I had heard about that before and its a Scandal of the highest order.
But you won't hear politicians mentioning it.
They know what side their bread is buttered on.

Its true that the working class term rarely exists anymore. Idleness is a disease in some parts.

Ian Duncan Smith is on the warpath on this very topic. N.I is gonna get a rude awakening shortly.

I await the socialists to appear here and say its all the states fault, cause there is no jobs.

Here I will scare you even more.  They get their taxis to drop the kids off paid for as well!  Bloody joke.  Something to do with them needing a break from the kids due to stress or to allow them to find a job.  Its not the stayes fault there is no jobs but it is their fault for creating an environment were alot of people are better of not working.

[Clown]

  I think she went out in the same clothes she had slept in so she hardly spent the time tidying herself up.

Noticed that myself
she definitely didn't wash anyway

[Rawhide]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01bgqjw/The_Estate_Episode_2/

episode 2

[nrico2006]

It does leave you feeling a bit like a mug when you pay income tax and rent/mortgage and whatever else when these vermin get everything paid for them. 

There is nothing in place in that estate or society that encourages these people to go to work.  You have little or no education so you can work 40 hours a week at a low income job and scrape along paying your bills and taxes, etc.  Or, you can lie around on your hole all day, knock out a few sprogs and we will give you a house rent free, hand you over just as much or even more than you would get if you were working and then throw in the odd bonus of heating allowance and whatever else you can get on these benefits.

In my opinion, anyone who is on benefits and isn't genuinely ill should be out picking rubbish of the street, cleaning grafitti, tidying flower beds, filling in pot holes, etc. to earn their benefits.  If they don't do it, they don't get paid...Simples...

I have always been in agreement with this view, the spongers should be made to do some kind of work around the community as they are not spending all day every day looking for work. 

On the otherhand the governement will probably do the illogical thing as was the case in this example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085142/Cait-Reilly-Unemployed-graduate-sues-ministers-forced-work-Poundland.html

[An Gaeilgoir]

Well whatever he was getting he was getting far too much.  He didn't seem to have any children so I'd imagine he would have to concoct some story to get his own place or do they just hand them out to these wasters when they hit a certain age.  If he was only on the brew and getting 50 or 60 pound a week he'd hardly be sitting drinking Magner's, smoking all day and then heading to the chip van to buy his dinner?

Fair enough if they don't want to work but they shouldn't be handed houses to live in for the sake of it.  Why would they ever go to work when they can get a house and get everything paid for them? 

Mother's such as thon wench with the moustache should be told as well after one or two children that if she has any further children her payments will be stopped.  Five children, no father - sure I can live on benefits for the rest of my days...How about, right you have had two children and have never worked in your life and are using your children as a fast track to benefits.  Have any more and your payments will be reduced/stopped.  You cannot support your children so do not have any more, here's a packet of condoms. Use them or else.

Look there are too many spongers getting too much money for FCUK ALL!  However that said, your solution would be catastrophic!  If a single parent has more kids, and their benefit is reduced, then it will inturn be harder to raise them, and may lead to kids growing up in poverty or being taken into care because the parent cant afford to raise them.  Costing the state even more money.
Its not the celled benefit that should be stopped its the child care benefit that should be stopped!  My partner and myself both work full time and have to pay £100 a week in child care.  However single unemployed parents or parents on DLA or job seekers allowance get the child care free!  So they sit at home and send their kids to the creche!  We are now looking to get a place for the kid in a pre school which will save us a bit of money, however these places go to kids whose parent are on job seekers allowance or DLA first.  Complete madness and a waste of state money.  It makes me seriously angry 

There is a trial been conducted in Australia, where a woman on the dole gets an extra 50 dollars a week, if she takes a monthly contraceptive pill. She takes the pill in a pharmacy, hands the cert into the dole office and exta money, its a good solution imo.

[Tony Baloney]

Daily Mail reading bastids the lot of you!

[Ulick]

Look there are too many spongers getting too much money for FCUK ALL!  However that said, your solution would be catastrophic!  If a single parent has more kids, and their benefit is reduced, then it will inturn be harder to raise them, and may lead to kids growing up in poverty or being taken into care because the parent cant afford to raise them.  Costing the state even more money.
Its not the celled benefit that should be stopped its the child care benefit that should be stopped! My partner and myself both work full time and have to pay £100 a week in child care.  However single unemployed parents or parents on DLA or job seekers allowance get the child care free!  So they sit at home and send their kids to the creche!  We are now looking to get a place for the kid in a pre school which will save us a bit of money, however these places go to kids whose parent are on job seekers allowance or DLA first.  Complete madness and a waste of state money.  It makes me seriously angry 

Well that swings both ways, the wife and I have to pay £90 a day for childcare. Why should you get away paying £100 per week and I've to pay £450, taking into account we don't get any tax credits or the like?

[Tony Baloney]

Look there are too many spongers getting too much money for FCUK ALL!  However that said, your solution would be catastrophic!  If a single parent has more kids, and their benefit is reduced, then it will inturn be harder to raise them, and may lead to kids growing up in poverty or being taken into care because the parent cant afford to raise them.  Costing the state even more money.
Its not the celled benefit that should be stopped its the child care benefit that should be stopped! My partner and myself both work full time and have to pay £100 a week in child care.  However single unemployed parents or parents on DLA or job seekers allowance get the child care free!  So they sit at home and send their kids to the creche!  We are now looking to get a place for the kid in a pre school which will save us a bit of money, however these places go to kids whose parent are on job seekers allowance or DLA first.  Complete madness and a waste of state money.  It makes me seriously angry 

Well that swings both ways, the wife and I have to pay £90 a day for childcare. Why should you get away paying £100 per week and I've to pay £450, taking into account we don't get any tax credits or the like?

Jesus, £1800 a month on childcare is brutal. If you're paying that you can obviously afford to pay it  . It's the squeezed middle that are getting it tight not the scroungers and not moneybags like yourself.

[Dougal Maguire]

I made a point on another thread some time ago, following the changes to child benefit, that a couple on a single income of 40K with 2 children a car and a mortgage and who would, therefore, be losing their child benefit, would struggle to make ends meet. I was nearly strung up. I still stand by what I said. The fact is that it is these type of people, who get nothing from the state, who are being squeezed. Those people on benefits should be made to do something for society in return for their handouts. And EMA is the worst of all as it actually provides conditions young people from the age of 16 that they can get something for nothing.

[Tony Baloney]

I made a point on another thread some time ago, following the changes to child benefit, that a couple on a single income of 40K with 2 children a car and a mortgage and who would, therefore, be losing their child benefit, would struggle to make ends meet. I was nearly strung up. I still stand by what I said. The fact is that it is these type of people, who get nothing from the state, who are being squeezed. Those people on benefits should be made to do something for society in return for their handouts. And EMA is the worst of all as it actually provides conditions young people from the age of 16 that they can get something for nothing.

I think it was Pints that lit on everyone so dont take it to heart! You are of course 100% correct.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

There is a trial been conducted in Australia, where a woman on the dole gets an extra 50 dollars a week, if she takes a monthly contraceptive pill. She takes the pill in a pharmacy, hands the cert into the dole office and exta money, its a good solution imo.

'Elective Eugenics' - if they can avoid the Nazi connotations they could be on to something there. 

[LostInSpace]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/scotlandfeatures/4090309/The-Estate-star-Martin-Laverty-I-rescued-three-kids-after-mum-set-house-on-fire-the-horror-drove-me-to-drink.html

Interesting read there, apparently Martin is a hero and hairylip was decorating....

[haranguerer]

The most telling statement of the lot was the wee lad in the first ten min of the first episode - he had skived school, and the mother was (very half heartedly, laughing away at him as she did so) telling him he had to go to school to get an education so he could earn money, he answered 'sure I'll just have two we'ans and I'll get money'. He was 10 or 11 or so.

Then half the ba**ards resent those who do work becuase they think its unfair that they should have more money then them (which often isn't even the case!)!.

[HiMucker]

Look there are too many spongers getting too much money for FCUK ALL!  However that said, your solution would be catastrophic!  If a single parent has more kids, and their benefit is reduced, then it will inturn be harder to raise them, and may lead to kids growing up in poverty or being taken into care because the parent cant afford to raise them.  Costing the state even more money.
Its not the celled benefit that should be stopped its the child care benefit that should be stopped! My partner and myself both work full time and have to pay £100 a week in child care.  However single unemployed parents or parents on DLA or job seekers allowance get the child care free!  So they sit at home and send their kids to the creche!  We are now looking to get a place for the kid in a pre school which will save us a bit of money, however these places go to kids whose parent are on job seekers allowance or DLA first.  Complete madness and a waste of state money.  It makes me seriously angry 

Well that swings both ways, the wife and I have to pay £90 a day for childcare. Why should you get away paying £100 per week and I've to pay £450, taking into account we don't get any tax credits or the like?

I don't follow you Ulick?  I have one child and pay (after consulting with my financial liaison officer/cook) £135 a week in child care, with no benefits.  You either have a troop of kids or your getting seriously ripped off.  Interestingly the girlfriend does a 35 hour week in 4 days.  She was asked could she do 5 days, however the extra days child care/tax would cost more money than the wage from the extra day.  I know its short term until they start school, and sometimes you have to take the hit to see the rewards later in your career.  But then again after school care ain't bloody cheap either!

[Ulick]

I don't follow you Ulick?  I have one child and pay (after consulting with my financial liaison officer/cook) £135 a week in child care, with no benefits.  You either have a troop of kids or your getting seriously ripped off.  Interestingly the girlfriend does a 35 hour week in 4 days.  She was asked could she do 5 days, however the extra days child care/tax would cost more money than the wage from the extra day.  I know its short term until they start school, and sometimes you have to take the hit to see the rewards later in your career.  But then again after school care ain't bloody cheap either!

Mucker my point is, that if you are in receipt of any kind of benefit such as Child Tax Credits, Working Tax Credit, or Childcare Vouchers then you are not really in a position to complain about other people getting benefits lest you are prepared for criticism from those who don't receive any of those benefits and haven't winged about it. I pay child care on two children, at £5 per hour each for 9 hours a day that's £90 and so each month that's my wife's whole wage and then some. We get no tax credits or assistance of any kind, I drive a 9 year old car, live in a nondescript semi, don't have an extravagant subscriptions to Sky, a gym or a fancy phone, my wife is due again at the end of the month and will have to leave work permanently to look after the children - and even after that we'll still not be eligible for child benefit. But you still don't see me coming on message boards complaining about some unfortunate, uneducated, alcoholics who need some help from the state to make their way in life. To each according to their need.