NFL Division 1 2024

[armaghniac]

I'm sure that Monaghan would love being in the Tailteann Cup because Cavan reached an Ulster final, but I expect that Armagh will prevent that situation arising.

[An Fhairche Abu]

Galway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.

A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.

Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.

If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.

1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan

Div 1 - current standings

Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup

Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.

If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?

[shark]

Galway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.

A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.

Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.

If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.

1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan

Div 1 - current standings

Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup

Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.

If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?

Yes.

[Armagh18]

I'm sure that Monaghan would love being in the Tailteann Cup because Cavan reached an Ulster final, but I expect that Armagh will prevent that situation arising.

I expect Dublin to stop that from happening!

[Armagh18]

Galway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.

A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.

Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.

If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.

1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan

Div 1 - current standings

Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup

Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.

If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?

Yes.

That's probably something no one has thought of and probably needs added in that last years sam maguire winners get to defend it- just on the tiny chance a situation like that happens!

[seafoid]

Galway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.

A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.

Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.

If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.

1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan

Div 1 - current standings

Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup

Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.

If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?

You would really need probabilities for the provincial finals. The probability of galway, Mayo and ros on the same side of the Connacht draw was 6/20  in the last 20 years.
The probability of Dublin not playing in the Leinster final was 4/20  in the last 20 years.
So 6/20*4/20 = 24/400 = 6%
Multiply by the Munster and Ulster  probabilities  to get less than 1%. So once in a century.

[Armamike]

Like a lot of AI winning teams, Kerry could drop off a little this year due to injuries, fatigue, lack of hunger etc.  But then again, they might not.

Are you sure that you've covered all the options?

Not sure. May or may not.

[Smokin Joe]

Galway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.

A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.

Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.

If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.

1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan

Div 1 - current standings

Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup

Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.

If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?

You would really need probabilities for the provincial finals. The probability of galway, Mayo and ros on the same side of the Connacht draw was 6/20  in the last 20 years.
The probability of Dublin not playing in the Leinster final was 4/20  in the last 20 years.
So 6/20*4/20 = 24/400 = 6%
Multiply by the Munster and Ulster  probabilities  to get less than 1%. So once in a century.

Anything is possible, but the chances of that panning out are way less than 1% (ie once in a century).
For that to happen Dublin have to not get to a Leinster final. Cork have to get promoted ahead of Derry and Meath and then get beaten by Limerick in Munster, and Derry then have to get to the Ulster final where Cavan beat both Armagh and Donegal to get there.
If the current format is maintained I don't see a situation where a Division 1 team misses out on the All Ireland series.

[Rossfan]

If the Connacht Finalists are a disaster this year (hope not) You'll either have seeded Provincials (as in Leinster already) or else only the Champions get into Sam.

[Maroon Manc]

The fact that there's a chance that a Division 4 team will qualify because of the luck of the draw by beating other Division 4 teams whilst a Division 1 could miss out says it all, would be a farce.

[blanketattack]

Galway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.

A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.

Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.

If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.

1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan

Div 1 - current standings

Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup

Or if Kerry finish 2nd bottom of Div 1 and lose to Tipperary in Munster semi-final, they would be in the Tailteann Cup despite being All-Ireland Champions.

[An Fhairche Abu]

It's an extremely unlikely scenario but they need to change that, having any possibility where the AI champions are ineligible to compete for the Sam Maguire but the Tailteann Cup champions are, is an absurd situation.

[seafoid]

The fact that there's a chance that a Division 4 team will qualify because of the luck of the draw by beating other Division 4 teams whilst a Division 1 could miss out says it all, would be a farce.

The issue arises because they mix a stable competition (D1 and D2) with a potentially unstable one (the provincials). In the unlikely event that it did happen the GAA would probably fudge it by placing the Tailteann team in a preliminary round. They are not going to  sacrifice the sacred provincial championships because of one extra team.

[APM]

If the Connacht Finalists are a disaster this year (hope not) You'll either have seeded Provincials (as in Leinster already) or else only the Champions get into Sam.

100%

You take Clare or Leitrim making it to AISFs in the 1990s.  There was something of a novelty about it - but it was once in a generation type stuff for both counties. They both played Dublin and the gap from those teams to the top table wasn't what it is now.  Also, they got there on merit. Clare by beating Kerry in the 1992 Munster Final. Leitrim done it the hard way by beating Roscommon, Galway and Mayo. 

However, if you take London's journey to the last 12 in 2013, I felt that was a bit of a joke.  London made it to that stage in the championship by virtue of beating weakest teams in Connacht and then getting into the last stage of the qualifiers by virtue of being hammered by Mayo. 

By not seeding the Connacht championship, one of the weakest teams in the country has a bye to the all-lreland series where they are liable to be hammered in every game.  They will not be there on merit (unlike Clare and Lietrim) and their opposition will be miles ahead of them. 

In time, does this structure not raise the risk of a moral hazard, whereby it maybe in the interest of the strong Division 1 teams have an early provincial exit.  Firstly, could this allow them to hone their preparations for the last 16 and avoid injuries.  Secondly, might it suit them to have weaker teams reaching a provincial final, thereby weakening the pool of opposing teams they might face in the last 16?

[weareros]

This year will have the demoted teams sweating because of the provincial situation. Leinster will have no Div 1 teams in final. Connacht will have only 1. Munster will have 1 at most. Ulster has 4 division 1 teams but a few of them have lost form. So the less of those teams Div 1 making finals, the more they need to avoid those last two spots in Div 1, as the two promoted teams have higher rank. Their best case scenario is that the two promoted teams (example Dublin/Derry) also make provincials as that opens two slots. The worse case scenario is two promoted teams don't make provincials and move into the top 7 ranked Div 1 teams to qualify. It's possible with Dublin, Meath, Derry, Cork all vying for promotion. Time will tell.