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burdizzo

Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

Truthsayer

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Quote from: imtommygunn on September 02, 2024, 12:12:06 PMhttps://x.com/Care2much18/status/1830385413824954677
State of him... id say he'd know a fair bit about invading people's homelands. "It passes the sniff test".. jees!  :-\ 

thebigfella

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

In fairness family A lived beside me while I was growing up 20/30 years ago. We mocked the sh1te out of them at that point, and rightly so, and was nothing to do with a great replacement. 

Father Murphy

Quote from: thebigfella on September 02, 2024, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

In fairness family A lived beside me while I was growing up 20/30 years ago. We mocked the sh1te out of them at that point, and rightly so, and was nothing to do with a great replacement. 

They had no relatives living abroad and would only watch movies made in Ireland?

whitey

Quote from: Father Murphy on September 02, 2024, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 02, 2024, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

In fairness family A lived beside me while I was growing up 20/30 years ago. We mocked the sh1te out of them at that point, and rightly so, and was nothing to do with a great replacement. 

They had no relatives living abroad and would only watch movies made in Ireland?

And eat bacon and cabbage every day

Milltown Row2

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

But do you feel less Irish? I'm wondering how this book affects you, and how, because of it, you feel you are being replaced at some point?

There has been loads of books that have come home with the kids over the years, granted this one is up there, but none of them makes me feel that Ireland is lost.

For someone fond of the hurling, you're pretty soft
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

tonto1888

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

That's two different things. I think the book is wrong and should not be used. My reply was not about that but the wider idea of Irishness being eroded which people are trying to say

whitey

2 simple questions

Should the book be removed from the curriculum?

Should the person who approved it be fired?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: whitey on September 02, 2024, 12:53:34 PM2 simple questions

Should the book be removed from the curriculum?

Should the person who approved it be fired?

yes
yes

Will that make you more Irish?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Look-Up!

Quote from: whitey on September 02, 2024, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: Father Murphy on September 02, 2024, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 02, 2024, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

In fairness family A lived beside me while I was growing up 20/30 years ago. We mocked the sh1te out of them at that point, and rightly so, and was nothing to do with a great replacement. 

They had no relatives living abroad and would only watch movies made in Ireland?

And eat bacon and cabbage every day
Jammy bastards!

burdizzo

Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2024, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 02, 2024, 10:18:51 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 10:13:19 AMWhat is that book and where is it used. I have kids in school, both primary and secondary, and I have never seen it or heard of it before.

I see it's from the HSE.ie so something for the 26 counties.


As far as I know Itchy is from and lives in the 26.

A Cavan man

Correct. I must do a bit of looking into it now that school is back as SPHE is a secondary school subject so one of mine should have this book at home. On the face of it you would have to say that is ridiculous but it wouldnt be the first time I have seen something in one of my kids books that is ridiculous.

HOWEVER, some stupid shit in a school book does not prove the "great replacement" is real nor justify the racist bile from Whitey and Burdizzo on here.

The UN talks about 'replacement migration', so it is a 'thing'.


burdizzo

Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

That's two different things. I think the book is wrong and should not be used. My reply was not about that but the wider idea of Irishness being eroded which people are trying to say

The words I used were 'denigrated' and 'disparaged'. I could also add 'mocked' and 'demeaned'. I don't feel my own sense of Irish-ness is eroded. However, it does seem to aim to influence impressionable school-children to identify as 'hip' internationalists and opposed to 'backward' Irish. That's the message, and that's the problem. Who promotes and pays for this stuff?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2024, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 02, 2024, 10:18:51 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 02, 2024, 10:13:19 AMWhat is that book and where is it used. I have kids in school, both primary and secondary, and I have never seen it or heard of it before.

I see it's from the HSE.ie so something for the 26 counties.


As far as I know Itchy is from and lives in the 26.

A Cavan man

Correct. I must do a bit of looking into it now that school is back as SPHE is a secondary school subject so one of mine should have this book at home. On the face of it you would have to say that is ridiculous but it wouldnt be the first time I have seen something in one of my kids books that is ridiculous.

HOWEVER, some stupid shit in a school book does not prove the "great replacement" is real nor justify the racist bile from Whitey and Burdizzo on here.

The UN talks about 'replacement migration', so it is a 'thing'.



What is the replacement migration?
Replacement migration refers to the international migration that a country would need to offset population decline and population ageing resulting from low fertility and mortality rates.

yeah its a 'thing' whatever that means
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

trueblue1234

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2024, 09:31:47 AMClearly the idea of "Irish-ness" is being disparaged. Can you not see that? It's almost like a parody! The not very subliminal message is that you should identify, not as "Irish", but as a "citizen of the world".

Amazingly, all this jetting around the place is very unhealthy for the environment, but yet is being pushed pretty hard! Who is promoting and funding this rootless cosmopolitanism?!

My Irishness is certainly not being disparaged, nor is anyone elses I know. If yours is it sounds like a you problem. And if you feel yours is because of others coming to this island then your irishness wasnt very strong in the first place

It is a clear effort to paint an Irish family as somehow less 'modern' and 'cool' than an 'internationalist' family. If you can't see that, you're either not very bright, or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I suspect the latter.

That's two different things. I think the book is wrong and should not be used. My reply was not about that but the wider idea of Irishness being eroded which people are trying to say

The words I used were 'denigrated' and 'disparaged'. I could also add 'mocked' and 'demeaned'. I don't feel my own sense of Irish-ness is eroded. However, it does seem to aim to influence impressionable school-children to identify as 'hip' internationalists and opposed to 'backward' Irish. That's the message, and that's the problem. Who promotes and pays for this stuff?
But the book isn't claiming all Irish families are like this. Its giving you charastistics of this family. And they are backwards.
 Anyone eating cabbage everyday should be shot with a ball of their own sh!te.
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