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Kevin Martin is gone
It doesn’t look like it was his call

They have to win the next 2 matches

Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2019
« on: Today at 11:32:22 AM »
Limerick shaken to the core as Cork demolish the apple-cart

All-Ireland champions left looking ordinary after Cork catapult themselves back in the mix


We should have known, really. The lesson of the hurling summer of 2018 was that nobody was safe, least of all in Munster. And so it has proven again this time around. Cork, so lily-livered and out of sorts in their opening-day defeat to Tipperary, turned the whole thing on its head by going to Limerick and handing the All-Ireland champions a 1-26 to 1-19 defeat.
Four games into the Munster championship, three home defeats. Driven on by Patrick Horgan, who scored 1-9 despite for once having a shaky day on the frees, Cork catapulted themselves back into the mix. It was vindication for John Meyler, who made four changes and lost Conor Lehane after six minutes. But with Daniel Kearney and Séamus Harnedy in full cry, they made Limerick look very ordinary in a dominant second-half display.
“There are five teams in Munster, three of them weren’t here today and they can all beat each other on any given day and everybody knows that,” said John Meyler afterwards. “There are five really good teams and the Munster championship is really competitive and you don’t think anything for granted. We knew that coming up today that we had to up our performance, our work-rate, which wasn’t good enough last Sunday, but we got it today.”


For Limerick, this was an apple-cart not so much upset as torpedoed. All the fine words about their handling of All-Ireland success, all the hosannas sung for their league title earlier in the year, all of it is up for grabs now. They have to go to Waterford in a fortnight to rescue their summer.
“I see very little chance of us being able to make it through without winning down there,” said John Kiely. “I don’t know what the maths is going to be like at that stage but listen, let’s face it, we’ve lost our first game, we need to get something out of that second game. We have to go and get a result.”

Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2019
« on: May 19, 2019, 05:38:25 PM »
Cork are unrecognisable compared to last week.

Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2019
« on: May 19, 2019, 03:27:01 PM »
Things not looking good for Waterford. Offaly have been a long way off past glories for at least this decade. Antrim game a big test for them. Should have enough for Kerry. (Although bar 89 the buggers usually beat Antrim by a bit but hopefully not this year)
Tipp look very strong so far

Cork and Waterford have a load of work to do

General discussion / Re: English FA Cup 2017
« on: May 18, 2019, 06:27:17 PM »
The money in the Premier League killed the FA cup final. It is as bad as the Leinster football final.

General discussion / Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« on: May 17, 2019, 06:46:19 PM »
The banality of Boy A’s mother leaving a top to soak overnight to deal with the blood and the awfulness of the fact that a first year was murdered

GAA Discussion / Re: Anton O’Toole RIP
« on: May 17, 2019, 06:43:30 PM »
Really only remember him from the Golden Years recording. A bit before my time. He can’t have been that old?


Go ndéana Dia trócaire air

General discussion / Re: Eurovision final here we come!!
« on: May 17, 2019, 10:52:21 AM »
Which is worse ?

1. Eurovision
2  Rose of Tralee

Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2019
« on: May 17, 2019, 10:32:20 AM »

Jackie Tyrrell: Waterford’s summer in danger of being over before it starts
Like Clare, Tipperary’s pace and movement could cause major problems for Déise men
about 4 hours ago
Jackie Tyrrell

I was sitting in the RTÉ studio in Páirc Uí Chaoimh on Sunday stuffing my face with Jelly Tots and watching Clare play Waterford on the screen in front of us. I asked myself the question – which of those two forward lines would I prefer to be playing against as a defender?
Now, maybe it was the sugar in the Jelly Tots that was making me energetic and ballsy in the first place – I’m 37 next month so the correct answer is obviously neither of them, because I’m well past it. But if I really had to, part of me still had a notion I could survive somehow on some of the Waterford forwards.
Even if that’s nonsense, it’s not a good sign for the Waterford attack that the thought would enter my head. There was just such a huge contrast between their forward division and Clare’s that it set me thinking. Walsh Park is one of the tightest pitches in the country and still Clare were able to create so much space in so many different areas.
Clare defenders coming out with the ball always had options. Their shape and set-up has evolved to suit their players. They have pace and movement and there was method and electricity every time the ball entered that half of the field. All the Jelly Tots in the world wouldn’t have made me think I could survive in that scenario.
You can’t fault the full back for losing Conlon – he did the right thing, blocking the point and fighting for the ball

By comparison, when I looked at the Waterford attack, I saw patterns of movement and ball delivery that seemed manageable for opposition defenders. Shane and Stephen Bennett were making predictable runs a lot of the time – out towards the sideline to balls that were sent diagonally away from goal. That’s not a bad option on the face of it but if you keep repeating it, a top intercounty defender is going to come alive to it very quickly.

Pauric Mahony spent most of his day tracking David Fitzgerald’s runs back into his own half. Mikey Kearney never got on top in his duel with Jack Browne, Peter Hogan didn’t feature at all really. Outside of Austin Gleeson, they had no real threat or presence.

When Maurice Shanahan came on, he was dynamic and caused problems in the air. He caught one ball and got fouled for a 20-metre free. He caught another and scored a point of his own. That at least was asking a different question of the Clare defenders, but when it comes right down to it, Maurice didn’t touch the ball until the 70th minute when Waterford were five points down. It was very comfortable for the Clare defence up to then.
Go back to the Waterford defence and ask them what sort of afternoon they had and comfortable wouldn’t come into it. They were constantly being moved around and each Clare player presented them with a different problem.
Podge Collins dropped deep when Clare didn’t have the ball but bombed back up to support when they had. John Conlon roamed from the square to the wing for puck-outs but made sure he was inside as a target man the rest of the time. Shane O’Donnell played everywhere and couldn’t be harnessed. The sum total of all that movement was confusion – just look at Conlon’s goal for the perfect example of that.
Donal Tuohy’s puck-out landed down on the edge of the Waterford D and there was a scrap for possession with four Clare forwards converging on the scene – Conlon, Podge, O’Donnell and Peter Duggan. Each of them brought their man with them and Tadhg de Búrca got in around it too, meaning that when the ball hit the ground, nine players were bunched about 25 metres from goal halfway between the D and the sideline.
O’Donnell had started as the closest player to the Waterford goal but he sprinted towards the scene, followed closely by Noel Connors. What this all meant was that a huge acre of space opened up in front of the Waterford posts. Because O’Donnell is so sharp at getting the ball into his hand, he was the one who came out of the bunch with it and straight away, Conlon sprinted into the open space.
Waterford nearly got away with it too because unusually for him, O’Donnell didn’t look up to see was there a goal on and instead went for his own point. If he’d scored it, I’d say Conlon would have had a few words for him. But what actually happened was that Conor Prunty pulled off a great block and as O’Donnell went to pick up the loose ball, Prunty chased him for it.
 John Conlon of Clare challenges for possession with Waterford’s Conor Prunty during the Munster SHC round-robin game at Walsh Park. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho
You can’t fault the full back for losing Conlon – he did the right thing, blocking the point and fighting for the ball. Waterford’s problem was that three other defenders all went chasing the ball too and nobody copped that if Prunty was battling with O’Donnell, then Conlon must be loose somewhere.
It was Conlon’s speed of thought and rapid movement that killed them, along with O’Donnell’s ability to get the ball into his hand in a tight space. It looked like a bad goal to give away because Conlon found himself in so much space. But the constant movement of the Clare forward line is designed to create that space. The question for Waterford is what are they doing to create similar space up the other end?
I measure a forward’s movement very simply – when a defender looks up as he comes out with the ball, the forward should have his mind made up for him where to deliver it. Indecision is a no-no in a high-intensity championship game so a good forward takes the possibility of indecision out of his team-mate’s mind. His first job is to make the out ball obvious.
This is a two-stage process. First you have to make the space, then you have to time your run into it. Hold your run, leave the space open, make two, three or four dummy runs laterally to create separation and then explode into the space at the moment the man in possession strikes the ball.
As a defender, you can track and shadow a forward’s movement comfortably enough for up to five or six seconds. After that, it starts to become increasingly difficult. The combination of the physical output and the mental focus needed to keep an eye both on your man and on where the ball is all adds up. The really good forwards know this and they almost try to wear you out by running at around 75 per cent of their max pace for those five or six seconds.
Waterford need to create more and better space with intelligent runs and find some variation
As you fatigue trying to shadow them, they then lean into you at the moment of breakaway. In the NFL, you see wide receivers getting penalised for pushing off their defenders as they go to catch the ball – in hurling, the poor corner back has no such luck. The really good forwards use you as leverage and push away from you, getting into a full sprint out to the ball.
The good ones might only need one or two dummy runs. If you’re at a game over the coming weeks, watch how Aaron Gillane, Shane O’Donnell or Séamus Callanan do it. They are the market leaders in this field. All they need is a yard or two. Once they’ve created space and separation, you know you’re in trouble because these lads don’t mis-control the ball. By that stage, you’re just hoping for the best.

Watching that game on Sunday, I counted at least four instances in the first half alone where Pat O’Connor and David McInerney won that foot race for possession with the two Bennetts. But if their movement had been dynamic enough, it wouldn’t have come down to a foot race. The hard running comes before the ball is pucked in.
Waterford’s other problem was that they didn’t have enough variety. The Clare defenders had so many options when they looked up. They could pop it short to Tony Kelly in a midfield pocket of space. They could go long and high to Conlon in the square or Duggan down the wing. They could puck it any way possible to O’Donnell and he’d make something of it. Or they could run it through the lines with Kelly, Fitzgerald and Colm Galvin all a factor.

All that said, you have to admire Waterford for staying in it. Even if the scoreboard flattered them in the end, they were never dead in the game and there’s a lot to be said for that.
When you dig down into the numbers and stats, you see that Waterford were efficient with the ball. They had 66 possessions, 36 shots created, 22 scores. They scored eight points from frees and only had eight wides, two of them from sideline balls. Those are actually decent enough performance numbers, all in all.
Where they fell down was in penetration and possession inside in the danger zone beyond the 20-metre line. Stephen Bennett had a glorious chance of a goal in the first half but couldn’t control the ball. Over the course of the afternoon, they didn’t get a score inside the Clare 20-metre line. That’s not going to cut it from here on out.
Definitely not this weekend in Thurles. They’re heading to play Tipperary who are buoyant and in a mean mood and if they don’t get a result, the year could be over for them. Tipperary scored 2-28 on Sunday, 2-24 from play. Everyone from number five to 15 got on the scoresheet. More importantly, their inside line John McGrath, Callanan and Jason Forde scored 2-10 (2-7 from play).
Waterford have a huge job ahead of them. They will need more from Jamie Barron and De Burca to try curtail this Tipperary attack but more importantly, they will need a serious evolution in their forward division. I don’t know if you can do that in the space of a week but they’re going to have to find something.
They need to create more and better space with intelligent runs and find some variation. Maybe Brick Walsh comes in, maybe Maurice starts – something to add size and aerial prowess. One way or the other, what they scored last Sunday in Walsh Park isn’t going to get it done. Not against Tipperary in this sort of free-scoring form.

GAA Discussion / Re: Attendances
« on: May 16, 2019, 03:22:35 PM »
There’s too many games. The novelty has worn off.  People can’t afford to go to all of them, especially in a short timeframe.

Take Monaghan last year. A few qualifiers, then Super 8’s - Croke Park, Clones, Galway. A week later back to Dublin for semi. That’s a lot of dough to be forking out in a month.

Great idea

GAA Discussion / Re: Attendances
« on: May 16, 2019, 02:30:17 PM »
They'll soon have to bring in Provincial teams to provide meaningful opposition!!
It's a bit like Leinster v Lansdowne in the football
the Dub machine vs Kildare or Meath who don't have access to the same pool of money

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