The Sunday Game

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Itchy

Quote from: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 12:35:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 05, 2018, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
f**k here we go again. RTE are shitbags because they won't sent OB units to all 30-odd national league matches. Even when they do, they're still shitbags as they didn't send the 3 camera men, sound man and editor needed to do the game justice. And even when they do that they're still shitbags as their 90 minute show focuses only on scores, and should be a 5 hour show with detailed analysis from properly interesting GAA pundits who have no bias. Oh and don't forget that we, the taxpayer should be able to press a button to swap hurling in front of football and vice versa.

Sky TV charge £35pm for such a service and even at that only make their money out of the English football game's international profile. But let's lose these facts in favour of giving off.

no harm to you but yis are all as f**king mad as batshit upstairs.

Aye but what about that oul fella from the west coast of Ireland who cant get to the games but has the right to see every single match?

What a combination of piss-poor posts.

Why can TG4 do a better job with highlights with far less money? It immediately ruins that little spiel.

I cant believe it but I agree with you. Wobblers post was such bullshit I had to read it again.

First off, last year the coverage was crap. Sent a camera to the ground and proceeded to show 2 mins of highlights. People rightly questioned this and requested our public broadcaster (who gets 100% of everyones TV licence fee and hefty government subsidies) on what they were doing.

This year is even worse. No camera at any Div 2 game. A guy with what looked like a phone recording the game in Newbridge. All games shown in any detail had already been shown live elsewhere. The coverage is now worse rather than better with only the top 4 games in the country covered. That is not good enough.

Prediction - there will be a camera at one Div 2 game next week, Cavan v Meath, because Eir Sport are covering it!

Okay fair enough.

So, two things I need from you:

1. What level of coverage across the 30-odd National League games would actually be acceptable to you? Seriously, try to put a line in the sand here so I can get a better understanding of when it might become a suitable viewer experience.

3. Let me know how much extra per year you'd be willing to add to your licence fee for that privilege.

In my opinion...

1-All Div 1 and Div 2 games should be covered (8 games), with a minimum of 5 mins highlights of each followed by some decent analysis. Obviously big games get bigger time and analysis. See BBC Match of the Day. The lower league results should be shown, tables reviewed and some players discussed - I know this would mean pundits might actually have to earn what they are paid but you know thats my position on it. Maybe the odd game from Div 3 - top of the table clash etc might also be covered.

2- Nothing, they pay for the rights they get 100% of the tv licence and we have already seen that TG4 with much smaller budgets do much more and better jobs. Sure they even saved a fortune on Rugby rights this year so they should have loads of money to put into it. Get more efficient RTE - it is simple really. TG4 also stream quite a few games too so why dont they look at that too.

And if they dont the GAA should consider giving TG4 all league rights

Captain Obvious

Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2018, 01:49:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 05, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
RTE coverage of the NFL is shite not sure why a debate is even open on this. Time someone else takes the NFL coverage off their hands.

RTÉ do not cover the NFL in general. They do have a highlights programme with some games using Eirsport or TG4 coverage. TG4 already have a highlights programme, how much more can you take it off RTÉ?
The crappy mobile phone coverage they did of the Kildare,Monaghan game for a start.

thewobbler

Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2018, 02:06:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 12:35:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 05, 2018, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
f**k here we go again. RTE are shitbags because they won't sent OB units to all 30-odd national league matches. Even when they do, they're still shitbags as they didn't send the 3 camera men, sound man and editor needed to do the game justice. And even when they do that they're still shitbags as their 90 minute show focuses only on scores, and should be a 5 hour show with detailed analysis from properly interesting GAA pundits who have no bias. Oh and don't forget that we, the taxpayer should be able to press a button to swap hurling in front of football and vice versa.

Sky TV charge £35pm for such a service and even at that only make their money out of the English football game's international profile. But let's lose these facts in favour of giving off.

no harm to you but yis are all as f**king mad as batshit upstairs.

Aye but what about that oul fella from the west coast of Ireland who cant get to the games but has the right to see every single match?

What a combination of piss-poor posts.

Why can TG4 do a better job with highlights with far less money? It immediately ruins that little spiel.

I cant believe it but I agree with you. Wobblers post was such bullshit I had to read it again.

First off, last year the coverage was crap. Sent a camera to the ground and proceeded to show 2 mins of highlights. People rightly questioned this and requested our public broadcaster (who gets 100% of everyones TV licence fee and hefty government subsidies) on what they were doing.

This year is even worse. No camera at any Div 2 game. A guy with what looked like a phone recording the game in Newbridge. All games shown in any detail had already been shown live elsewhere. The coverage is now worse rather than better with only the top 4 games in the country covered. That is not good enough.

Prediction - there will be a camera at one Div 2 game next week, Cavan v Meath, because Eir Sport are covering it!

Okay fair enough.

So, two things I need from you:

1. What level of coverage across the 30-odd National League games would actually be acceptable to you? Seriously, try to put a line in the sand here so I can get a better understanding of when it might become a suitable viewer experience.

3. Let me know how much extra per year you'd be willing to add to your licence fee for that privilege.

In my opinion...

1-All Div 1 and Div 2 games should be covered (8 games), with a minimum of 5 mins highlights of each followed by some decent analysis. Obviously big games get bigger time and analysis. See BBC Match of the Day. The lower league results should be shown, tables reviewed and some players discussed - I know this would mean pundits might actually have to earn what they are paid but you know thats my position on it. Maybe the odd game from Div 3 - top of the table clash etc might also be covered.

2- Nothing, they pay for the rights they get 100% of the tv licence and we have already seen that TG4 with much smaller budgets do much more and better jobs. Sure they even saved a fortune on Rugby rights this year so they should have loads of money to put into it. Get more efficient RTE - it is simple really. TG4 also stream quite a few games too so why dont they look at that too.

And if they dont the GAA should consider giving TG4 all league rights


So that's 6 Hurling matches and 8 football matches every week, 14 x 5 is 70 minutes, plus analysis 14 x 5 is 70 minutes plus 10 mins on lower leagues and we are 2.5 hours, plus ad breaks and general interest stories and extra analysis of key games, and you're into a 3 hour runtime. Or over twice as long as MOTD, for a much smaller audience, covering a competition that players don't even care to win.

Somewhere in among all that hopefully reality will step in. I won't even mention the ultimate cost of 14 OB units, additional editors and analysis.


——

Between RTE and TG4, the number of live televised matches in Gaelic Football alone (or leave hurling to the side) is a multiple value of live rugby and soccer combined.

We are not the poor cousins you are making out.

Make the league more attractive and then Sky, tv3 and Eir might make a play for it. At the minute it gets the coverage it deserves.

Itchy

Quote from: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 02:50:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2018, 02:06:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 12:35:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 05, 2018, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
f**k here we go again. RTE are shitbags because they won't sent OB units to all 30-odd national league matches. Even when they do, they're still shitbags as they didn't send the 3 camera men, sound man and editor needed to do the game justice. And even when they do that they're still shitbags as their 90 minute show focuses only on scores, and should be a 5 hour show with detailed analysis from properly interesting GAA pundits who have no bias. Oh and don't forget that we, the taxpayer should be able to press a button to swap hurling in front of football and vice versa.

Sky TV charge £35pm for such a service and even at that only make their money out of the English football game's international profile. But let's lose these facts in favour of giving off.

no harm to you but yis are all as f**king mad as batshit upstairs.

Aye but what about that oul fella from the west coast of Ireland who cant get to the games but has the right to see every single match?

What a combination of piss-poor posts.

Why can TG4 do a better job with highlights with far less money? It immediately ruins that little spiel.

I cant believe it but I agree with you. Wobblers post was such bullshit I had to read it again.

First off, last year the coverage was crap. Sent a camera to the ground and proceeded to show 2 mins of highlights. People rightly questioned this and requested our public broadcaster (who gets 100% of everyones TV licence fee and hefty government subsidies) on what they were doing.

This year is even worse. No camera at any Div 2 game. A guy with what looked like a phone recording the game in Newbridge. All games shown in any detail had already been shown live elsewhere. The coverage is now worse rather than better with only the top 4 games in the country covered. That is not good enough.

Prediction - there will be a camera at one Div 2 game next week, Cavan v Meath, because Eir Sport are covering it!

Okay fair enough.

So, two things I need from you:

1. What level of coverage across the 30-odd National League games would actually be acceptable to you? Seriously, try to put a line in the sand here so I can get a better understanding of when it might become a suitable viewer experience.

3. Let me know how much extra per year you'd be willing to add to your licence fee for that privilege.

In my opinion...

1-All Div 1 and Div 2 games should be covered (8 games), with a minimum of 5 mins highlights of each followed by some decent analysis. Obviously big games get bigger time and analysis. See BBC Match of the Day. The lower league results should be shown, tables reviewed and some players discussed - I know this would mean pundits might actually have to earn what they are paid but you know thats my position on it. Maybe the odd game from Div 3 - top of the table clash etc might also be covered.

2- Nothing, they pay for the rights they get 100% of the tv licence and we have already seen that TG4 with much smaller budgets do much more and better jobs. Sure they even saved a fortune on Rugby rights this year so they should have loads of money to put into it. Get more efficient RTE - it is simple really. TG4 also stream quite a few games too so why dont they look at that too.

And if they dont the GAA should consider giving TG4 all league rights


So that's 6 Hurling matches and 8 football matches every week, 14 x 5 is 70 minutes, plus analysis 14 x 5 is 70 minutes plus 10 mins on lower leagues and we are 2.5 hours, plus ad breaks and general interest stories and extra analysis of key games, and you're into a 3 hour runtime. Or over twice as long as MOTD, for a much smaller audience, covering a competition that players don't even care to win.

Somewhere in among all that hopefully reality will step in. I won't even mention the ultimate cost of 14 OB units, additional editors and analysis.


——

Between RTE and TG4, the number of live televised matches in Gaelic Football alone (or leave hurling to the side) is a multiple value of live rugby and soccer combined.

We are not the poor cousins you are making out.

Make the league more attractive and then Sky, tv3 and Eir might make a play for it. At the minute it gets the coverage it deserves.

There are two different sports. Match of the day shows 1 sport. No one is telling RTE to combine Hurling and Football into the one program, they made that decision. BTW - BBC even has a program for premier league and another for championship.


Cunny Funt

The league games are more attractive and interesting than championship games that tend to be mostly blow outs or low risk contests. RTE coverage is poor for the championship Brolly and Patteen doing their usual set routine is well tiresome at this stage and i don't expect them to put much effort into the NFL when they are a station that are more focused on football across the water,Horse racing or Rugby.

westbound

If BBC NI can show brief highlights of many of the irish league soccer games on their final score program within minutes of the games ending, surely RTE with a bigger budget and more time, can put together something half decent on a sunday evening (or monday evening)

manfromdelmonte

this is why counties fear splitting the All Ireland championships into the various tiers

all the focus will be on the top tier
it has already happened in hurling

I always thought the GAA was a communal sporting organisation - all clubs have the same standing - one vote to change things
the same at county level - teams treated equally, with every team in with a chance
however it is clear that there is more and more focus on the top few teams - to the detriment of the whole organisation
elitism will actually kill the spirit of the association

thewobbler

Quote from: westbound on February 05, 2018, 04:53:27 PM
If BBC NI can show brief highlights of many of the irish league soccer games on their final score program within minutes of the games ending, surely RTE with a bigger budget and more time, can put together something half decent on a sunday evening (or monday evening)

As a rule, local soccer fans in NI feel their game is horribly under-represented in the media and that BBC NI's commitment to live GAA championship is something they should have parity with.

——

BBC NI's Saturday coverage extends to one fixed camera at 5 grounds and then the grid of cameras at Windsor. The fixed camera nature of the regional ground coverage makes the end product (the actual football) look completely amateur.

square_ball

I'm sure Monaghan and Kildare fans didn't mind the amateur camera work for their match yesterday as at least they got to see some footage of their match.

seafoid

Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 05, 2018, 03:17:10 PM
The league games are more attractive and interesting than championship games that tend to be mostly blow outs or low risk contests. RTE coverage is poor for the championship Brolly and Patteen doing their usual set routine is well tiresome at this stage and i don't expect them to put much effort into the NFL when they are a station that are more focused on football across the water,Horse racing or Rugby.
The league is more competitive but the championship generates the money.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

thewobbler

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Quote from: square_ball on February 05, 2018, 06:35:08 PM
I'm sure Monaghan and Kildare fans didn't mind the amateur camera work for their match yesterday as at least they got to see some footage of their match.

On the contrary, given  the nature of this thread to date I'd expect that a) the coverage wasn't long enough, b) it missed most of the key moments in the game, c) the camera work was amateurish, d) the analysis wasn't long enough, e) the analysts clearly didn't watch the game, f) local soccer gets better coverags and there's only 300 people at those matches, and g) RTE are c***ts.

Sky TV etc have created a beast whereby modern sports fans expect on-demand, high quality footage of their sport. In this case, these are unreasonable demands.

Syferus

If you don't stop digging soon you're going to hit Australia.

thewobbler

Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 07:01:17 PM
If you don't stop digging soon you're going to hit Australia.

Syferus, pointing out that Sunday game criticisers on this thread have highly unreasonable expectations from the programme, and that they suffer a detachment from reality in terms of the value and popularity of national league football, is not digging.

seafoid

There is a business community that can provide low budget HD quality video for D2 3 4 matches. There might be some half-time distractions though. And it would only be available on youporn.  So Eugene mcGee's uncle in Geashill would probably be out of the loop.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Rossfan

Maith shibh TG4 anocht.
Good highlights of Tipp v Ros and also Down v Cork.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM