HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?

[sid waddell]

Does anyone else feel that there is a stronger power pushing for reunification, probably the EU with Boris silently backing it.

Im from the north, currently living and working in the south and to be honest, reunification of Ireland wouldnt meet the top 10 points of interest if there was an election. At the last election I barely remember it being mentioned.

In fact some comments particulary from fg politicians would indicate no interest at all in dealing with the north.

So why the sudden talk of reunifucation, what has brought it to front pages, current affair programs etc? Why the sudden interest from Jim O'Callaghan etc.

Previously it has been given lip service and kicked as far down the lane as possible.

From living down here, id honestly be 50/50 on whether the vote would pass in the 26. Its definitely not a priority for the majority of voters here.

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[Angelo]

Does anyone else feel that there is a stronger power pushing for reunification, probably the EU with Boris silently backing it.

Im from the north, currently living and working in the south and to be honest, reunification of Ireland wouldnt meet the top 10 points of interest if there was an election. At the last election I barely remember it being mentioned.

In fact some comments particulary from fg politicians would indicate no interest at all in dealing with the north.

So why the sudden talk of reunifucation, what has brought it to front pages, current affair programs etc? Why the sudden interest from Jim O'Callaghan etc.

Previously it has been given lip service and kicked as far down the lane as possible.

From living down here, id honestly be 50/50 on whether the vote would pass in the 26. Its definitely not a priority for the majority of voters here.

I would say the rise of SF down south has certainly put the agenda front and centre more and also the fallout from Brexit.

[charlieTully]

Is there any actual possibility of discussion on how a potential new Ireland might look, or is that not possible without a frank honest discussion on the past?

The fantasy of a glorious "new" Ireland is based on the fantastical premise that Unionists will simply fall in and accept it

I dare say some Protestant Unionists had this same fantasy about Irish Catholics in the six counties

Some will accept it

Many will not

And thus the six counties are destined to always be afflicted with division and turmoil

Doesn't matter which jurisdiction they're under, they will always be afflicted because it's a classic territorial dispute where one section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of one state

And another section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of a different state

You can't square that, somebody has to lose

The only alternative is that people learn to forget about Irish nationalism and British nationalism and think about forging a society that works for all

The majority of voters in the six counties vote for parties for whom that is not a priority

The best thing that could happen to NI is for every union Jack and tricolour in the place to be burned

Your conclusion only leaves one loser though. Us as per standard. It reads of accept your lot northern nationalists, maybe this is not your intention.

When competing nationalisms divide a society everybody loses

What's your solution?

A functioning society is more important than fwegs

Good man. Fwegs? My solution is lay out how an all island health system would look, how education would look, taxation, housing. How are a minority incorporated and given absolute equality. What fwegs and emblems would look like. Giving those whose culture is orangism and parades etc assurances this can continue in a safe manner. East West copereration. What's yours ? The status quo?
.

[Milltown Row2]

Sid would probably give up Donegal Cavan and Monaghan given his track record on partition

[sid waddell]

Is there any actual possibility of discussion on how a potential new Ireland might look, or is that not possible without a frank honest discussion on the past?

The fantasy of a glorious "new" Ireland is based on the fantastical premise that Unionists will simply fall in and accept it

I dare say some Protestant Unionists had this same fantasy about Irish Catholics in the six counties

Some will accept it

Many will not

And thus the six counties are destined to always be afflicted with division and turmoil

Doesn't matter which jurisdiction they're under, they will always be afflicted because it's a classic territorial dispute where one section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of one state

And another section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of a different state

You can't square that, somebody has to lose

The only alternative is that people learn to forget about Irish nationalism and British nationalism and think about forging a society that works for all

The majority of voters in the six counties vote for parties for whom that is not a priority

The best thing that could happen to NI is for every union Jack and tricolour in the place to be burned

Your conclusion only leaves one loser though. Us as per standard. It reads of accept your lot northern nationalists, maybe this is not your intention.

When competing nationalisms divide a society everybody loses

What's your solution?

A functioning society is more important than fwegs

Good man. Fwegs? My solution is lay out how an all island health system would look, how education would look, taxation, housing. How are a minority incorporated and given absolute equality. What fwegs and emblems would look like. Giving those whose culture is orangism and parades etc assurances this can continue in a safe manner. East West copereration. What's yours ? The status quo?
.

My solution is that people in NI vote out the extremists on both sides and elect people who will work together to create an equal society

A united Ireland will come when it's ready to come

And it's not remotely ready to come yet

What will happen is that as the sabre rattling about a border poll ramps up, the extremists on both sides will benefit more and more because both sides will retreat more and more into competing nationalisms

Irish nationalists will retreat towards SF, British nationalists will retreat towards the DUP

The centre, whatever is there of it, will not hold

Vote out the DUP and SF and elect SDLP, Alliance, PBP and moderate Unionists

[charlieTully]

Is there any actual possibility of discussion on how a potential new Ireland might look, or is that not possible without a frank honest discussion on the past?

The fantasy of a glorious "new" Ireland is based on the fantastical premise that Unionists will simply fall in and accept it

I dare say some Protestant Unionists had this same fantasy about Irish Catholics in the six counties

Some will accept it

Many will not

And thus the six counties are destined to always be afflicted with division and turmoil

Doesn't matter which jurisdiction they're under, they will always be afflicted because it's a classic territorial dispute where one section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of one state

And another section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of a different state

You can't square that, somebody has to lose

The only alternative is that people learn to forget about Irish nationalism and British nationalism and think about forging a society that works for all

The majority of voters in the six counties vote for parties for whom that is not a priority

The best thing that could happen to NI is for every union Jack and tricolour in the place to be burned

Your conclusion only leaves one loser though. Us as per standard. It reads of accept your lot northern nationalists, maybe this is not your intention.

When competing nationalisms divide a society everybody loses

What's your solution?

A functioning society is more important than fwegs

Good man. Fwegs? My solution is lay out how an all island health system would look, how education would look, taxation, housing. How are a minority incorporated and given absolute equality. What fwegs and emblems would look like. Giving those whose culture is orangism and parades etc assurances this can continue in a safe manner. East West copereration. What's yours ? The status quo?
.

My solution is that people in NI vote out the extremists on both sides and elect people who will work together to create an equal society

A united Ireland will come when it's ready to come

And it's not remotely ready to come yet

What will happen is that as the sabre rattling about a border poll ramps up, the extremists on both sides will benefit more and more because both sides will retreat more and more into competing nationalisms

Irish nationalists will retreat towards SF, British nationalists will retreat towards the DUP

The centre, whatever is there of it, will not hold

Vote out the DUP and SF and elect SDLP, Alliance, PBP and moderate Unionists

Must be nice to dictate to folk how to vote, how does one go about getting that right?

[sid waddell]

Is there any actual possibility of discussion on how a potential new Ireland might look, or is that not possible without a frank honest discussion on the past?

The fantasy of a glorious "new" Ireland is based on the fantastical premise that Unionists will simply fall in and accept it

I dare say some Protestant Unionists had this same fantasy about Irish Catholics in the six counties

Some will accept it

Many will not

And thus the six counties are destined to always be afflicted with division and turmoil

Doesn't matter which jurisdiction they're under, they will always be afflicted because it's a classic territorial dispute where one section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of one state

And another section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of a different state

You can't square that, somebody has to lose

The only alternative is that people learn to forget about Irish nationalism and British nationalism and think about forging a society that works for all

The majority of voters in the six counties vote for parties for whom that is not a priority

The best thing that could happen to NI is for every union Jack and tricolour in the place to be burned

Your conclusion only leaves one loser though. Us as per standard. It reads of accept your lot northern nationalists, maybe this is not your intention.

When competing nationalisms divide a society everybody loses

What's your solution?

A functioning society is more important than fwegs

Good man. Fwegs? My solution is lay out how an all island health system would look, how education would look, taxation, housing. How are a minority incorporated and given absolute equality. What fwegs and emblems would look like. Giving those whose culture is orangism and parades etc assurances this can continue in a safe manner. East West copereration. What's yours ? The status quo?
.

My solution is that people in NI vote out the extremists on both sides and elect people who will work together to create an equal society

A united Ireland will come when it's ready to come

And it's not remotely ready to come yet

What will happen is that as the sabre rattling about a border poll ramps up, the extremists on both sides will benefit more and more because both sides will retreat more and more into competing nationalisms

Irish nationalists will retreat towards SF, British nationalists will retreat towards the DUP

The centre, whatever is there of it, will not hold

Vote out the DUP and SF and elect SDLP, Alliance, PBP and moderate Unionists

Must be nice to dictate to folk how to vote, how does one go about getting that right?

If people vote for certain extremist parties, they should be aware of the logical consequences of that

DUP/SF are a cartel who thrive on mutual loathing and suspicion - not on constructiveness

If you want constructive politics, vote for people who might be constructive

Feigning victimhood or accusing others of being a "dictator" because they give an entirely reasonable opinion is a great last resort tactic on the internet

[HiMucker]

Indeed.
A lot of our 6 Co friends still living in 1921.
At least they're 231 years ahead of th'others 

Says the man with the classic ussans and themmans post.

I really miss his daily updates on covid figures in the north comparative to the south which suddenly stopped for some reason when there was a change in trend. But I'm sure that was just a coincidence

[charlieTully]

Is there any actual possibility of discussion on how a potential new Ireland might look, or is that not possible without a frank honest discussion on the past?

The fantasy of a glorious "new" Ireland is based on the fantastical premise that Unionists will simply fall in and accept it

I dare say some Protestant Unionists had this same fantasy about Irish Catholics in the six counties

Some will accept it

Many will not

And thus the six counties are destined to always be afflicted with division and turmoil

Doesn't matter which jurisdiction they're under, they will always be afflicted because it's a classic territorial dispute where one section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of one state

And another section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of a different state

You can't square that, somebody has to lose

The only alternative is that people learn to forget about Irish nationalism and British nationalism and think about forging a society that works for all

The majority of voters in the six counties vote for parties for whom that is not a priority

The best thing that could happen to NI is for every union Jack and tricolour in the place to be burned

Your conclusion only leaves one loser though. Us as per standard. It reads of accept your lot northern nationalists, maybe this is not your intention.

When competing nationalisms divide a society everybody loses

What's your solution?

A functioning society is more important than fwegs

Good man. Fwegs? My solution is lay out how an all island health system would look, how education would look, taxation, housing. How are a minority incorporated and given absolute equality. What fwegs and emblems would look like. Giving those whose culture is orangism and parades etc assurances this can continue in a safe manner. East West copereration. What's yours ? The status quo?
.

My solution is that people in NI vote out the extremists on both sides and elect people who will work together to create an equal society

A united Ireland will come when it's ready to come

And it's not remotely ready to come yet

What will happen is that as the sabre rattling about a border poll ramps up, the extremists on both sides will benefit more and more because both sides will retreat more and more into competing nationalisms

Irish nationalists will retreat towards SF, British nationalists will retreat towards the DUP

The centre, whatever is there of it, will not hold

Vote out the DUP and SF and elect SDLP, Alliance, PBP and moderate Unionists

Must be nice to dictate to folk how to vote, how does one go about getting that right?

If people vote for certain extremist parties, they should be aware of the logical consequences of that

DUP/SF are a cartel who thrive on mutual loathing and suspicion - not on constructiveness

If you want constructive politics, vote for people who might be constructive

Feigning victimhood or accusing others of being a "dictator" because somebody they give an entirely reasonable opinion is a great last resort tactic on the internet

It is not entirely reasonable to tell people how to vote. It's a dictate. It's deflection also. It's apparent you have no desire to consider unification for want of a better word. That's absolutely fine. You adopt the position that everyone who votes dup or sf are extremists. A cartel?. The constitutional question will always be an issue here. I do believe you are being deliberately obtuse on the matter Sid.

[sid waddell]

Is there any actual possibility of discussion on how a potential new Ireland might look, or is that not possible without a frank honest discussion on the past?

The fantasy of a glorious "new" Ireland is based on the fantastical premise that Unionists will simply fall in and accept it

I dare say some Protestant Unionists had this same fantasy about Irish Catholics in the six counties

Some will accept it

Many will not

And thus the six counties are destined to always be afflicted with division and turmoil

Doesn't matter which jurisdiction they're under, they will always be afflicted because it's a classic territorial dispute where one section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of one state

And another section of the population believes it is an inherent state of nature for the territory which makes up the six counties to be part of a different state

You can't square that, somebody has to lose

The only alternative is that people learn to forget about Irish nationalism and British nationalism and think about forging a society that works for all

The majority of voters in the six counties vote for parties for whom that is not a priority

The best thing that could happen to NI is for every union Jack and tricolour in the place to be burned

Your conclusion only leaves one loser though. Us as per standard. It reads of accept your lot northern nationalists, maybe this is not your intention.

When competing nationalisms divide a society everybody loses

What's your solution?

A functioning society is more important than fwegs

Good man. Fwegs? My solution is lay out how an all island health system would look, how education would look, taxation, housing. How are a minority incorporated and given absolute equality. What fwegs and emblems would look like. Giving those whose culture is orangism and parades etc assurances this can continue in a safe manner. East West copereration. What's yours ? The status quo?
.

My solution is that people in NI vote out the extremists on both sides and elect people who will work together to create an equal society

A united Ireland will come when it's ready to come

And it's not remotely ready to come yet

What will happen is that as the sabre rattling about a border poll ramps up, the extremists on both sides will benefit more and more because both sides will retreat more and more into competing nationalisms

Irish nationalists will retreat towards SF, British nationalists will retreat towards the DUP

The centre, whatever is there of it, will not hold

Vote out the DUP and SF and elect SDLP, Alliance, PBP and moderate Unionists

Must be nice to dictate to folk how to vote, how does one go about getting that right?

If people vote for certain extremist parties, they should be aware of the logical consequences of that

DUP/SF are a cartel who thrive on mutual loathing and suspicion - not on constructiveness

If you want constructive politics, vote for people who might be constructive

Feigning victimhood or accusing others of being a "dictator" because somebody they give an entirely reasonable opinion is a great last resort tactic on the internet

It is not entirely reasonable to tell people how to vote. It's a dictate. It's deflection also. It's apparent you have no desire to consider unification for want of a better word. That's absolutely fine. You adopt the position that everyone who votes dup or sf are extremists. A cartel?. The constitutional question will always be an issue here. I do believe you are being deliberately obtuse on the matter Sid.

They are extremist parties

Unification will come when it is ready to come, it is blindingly obvious that a lot of posters here want to try and force it before it is ready

That's not a good idea

[charlieTully]

Starting conversations about how it might work is not forcing it sid. Remember brexit? You fire on with the witty memes and the tacit insults though.

[sid waddell]

Starting conversations about how it might work is not forcing it sid. Remember brexit? You fire on with the witty memes and the tacit insults though.

You can have all the conversations you like

Doesn't change the fact that there currently isn't a majority in NI for a united Ireland, or anything close to it

For there to be a majority, you need two things i) time and ii) NI to fail even more than it is already failing

You can't force i) and forcing ii) is a terrible idea

[charlieTully]

Starting conversations about how it might work is not forcing it sid. Remember brexit? You fire on with the witty memes and the tacit insults though.

You can have all the conversations you like

Doesn't change the fact that there currently isn't a majority in NI for a united Ireland, or anything close to it

For there to be a majority, you need two things i) time and ii) NI to fail even more than it is already failing

You can't force i) and forcing ii) is a terrible idea

I agree. Cant be forced. Hence the need for discussion and preparation for the possibility that it may occur in the future. To just ignore it is folly. Things are changing here. Our youth are articulate, energetic and passionate about their nationality, they won't bomb or shoot, they will articulate the argument. This isn't going away Sid.

[Snapchap]

Indeed.
A lot of our 6 Co friends still living in 1921.
At least they're 231 years ahead of th'others 

You'd almost think we we just came through a conflict that came about as a direct result of what happened in 1921, wouldn't you 

And its almost as though it must be easy to sit in judgement of those who came through it, from the comfort of the southern side of the border.

Arrogant clown.

[Taylor]

Starting conversations about how it might work is not forcing it sid. Remember brexit? You fire on with the witty memes and the tacit insults though.

You can have all the conversations you like

Doesn't change the fact that there currently isn't a majority in NI for a united Ireland, or anything close to it

For there to be a majority, you need two things i) time and ii) NI to fail even more than it is already failing

You can't force i) and forcing ii) is a terrible idea

I agree. Cant be forced. Hence the need for discussion and preparation for the possibility that it may occur in the future. To just ignore it is folly. Things are changing here. Our youth are articulate, energetic and passionate about their nationality, they won't bomb or shoot, they will articulate the argument. This isn't going away Sid.

Thats a utopia Charlie.
Not all youths are like that unfortunately