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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #3630 on: December 07, 2017, 09:30:26 AM »
https://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/theresa-may-to-provide-new-text-for-brexit-border-deal-within-24-hours-36385722.html
They got 48 hours.
Business in the UK needs clarity.

This is senior hurling. It could all fall apart before the weekend.
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« Reply #3631 on: December 07, 2017, 09:32:50 AM »
Simon Jenkins

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/05/theresa-may-dup-eu-deal-minority-party

"Fudge is good only if it tastes sweet. Theresa May’s deal with the EU on Irish border trade is apparently too bitter for Ulster’s Democratic Unionist party to stomach. Yesterday they wielded a veto. A British government at an international summit was humiliated by a minority partypursuing a minority point of view. It is why governments should never rely on extremist parties. The DUP has three days to make amends, or a terrible vengeance should be taken on them.



It does not matter that the DUP is hypocritical. Decades of Westminster indulging its political primitivism have come home to roost. Unionists have demanded separatism on education, trade, corporate taxes, abortion, homosexuality and a host of pet issues, yet they want to call themselves “British”. They are Irish."

Go on my son

Jaysus when you see the head of a buck like that calling the DUP Irish, you know the Brits are getting mad.

But its the last line of the very same article that annoys the f**k out of me;

Northern Ireland cannot stop it.


It's not Northern Ireland it's the DUP and that message needs to get across from the rest of the parties in NI.

Michelle is beginning to make those soundings, but she needs to do it louder and to a wider audience. The SDLP and Alliance also. The UUP, who the f**k knows what they're at with Brexit.
Even Sylvia Hermon has called out this narrative.

I still don't get how "unionist" business leaders who trade outside the wee six aren't jumping up and down on the DUP for pulling the plug on a deal that would have meant a little more red tape when shipping to GB but at least the whole of the European union market would remain pretty seamless.
Business should be a lot more vocal about the damage that Brexit will cause 
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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #3632 on: December 07, 2017, 09:44:08 AM »

But its the last line of the very same article that annoys the f**k out of me;

Northern Ireland cannot stop it.


It's not Northern Ireland it's the DUP and that message needs to get across from the rest of the parties in NI.

Michelle is beginning to make those soundings, but she needs to do it louder and to a wider audience. The SDLP and Alliance also. The UUP, who the f**k knows what they're at with Brexit.
Even Sylvia Hermon has called out this narrative.

I still don't get how "unionist" business leaders who trade outside the wee six aren't jumping up and down on the DUP for pulling the plug on a deal that would have meant a little more red tape when shipping to GB but at least the whole of the European union market would remain pretty seamless.

This is a job for journalism.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #3633 on: December 07, 2017, 09:48:50 AM »
As far as I recall DUPUDA hit 36% of the vote in the Westminster Election. Time the other 64% spoke up.
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« Reply #3634 on: December 07, 2017, 10:07:26 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/06/the-guardian-view-on-the-brexit-crisis-time-to-stop-the-fanatics

Since Monday, however, it has become much clearer that the UK government’s failures and incompetence on Brexit go wider and deeper. Philip Hammond confirmed on Wednesday what this column had reported, that the cabinet has never at any time had a specific discussion about the kind of Brexit that it is aiming for. As Sir Keir Starmer said in a Guardian article, membership of the single market, the customs union and a role for the European court of justice were simply swept off the table as options by Theresa May’s grossly irresponsible diktat of October 2016.

David Davis’s revelations at the Brexit select committee on Wednesday compounded that lack of direction with further shocking admissions. Amid clouds of characteristic bluster and solipsistic swagger, it eventually became clear that Mr Davis has at no point set about an assessment of the consequences of Brexit for the British economy and for UK jobs and conditions. The “impact assessments” for 58 UK economic sectors that parliament had demanded in order to better understand the Brexit options turned out not to exist at all. The only rational explanation for this extraordinary neglect of public duty and misleading of MPs is that Mr Davis knows such impact assessments would paint a bleak picture wholly at odds with the vacuous optimism of the Brexiters.

The document that Mrs May had intended to sign on Monday before the DUP vetoed it is a practical one as far as it goes. The thread running through it is the UK government’s quiet willingness to compromise on the key issues – rights, money and Ireland – set out in Michel Barnier’s April 2017 brief, presumably in the over-optimistic hope that this will help secure a beneficial trade deal with the EU in phase two. Yet when Mrs May was challenged on her Brexit strategy at prime minister’s questions on Wednesday, she gave none of the leadership that is now needed in defence of compromise, convergence, alignment and the economic security that she should have invoked. Instead she reiterated the deluded and contradictory mantra that has got Britain into this mess in the first place – leave the single market and customs union, no hard border and a close partnership.

This proved enough to see off a disappointingly ineffective, though welcome, set of criticisms of her Brexit handling by Jeremy Corbyn at PMQs. But it cut no ice at all with either the DUP, who are in their element as the tail wagging the Tory dog, or with the Tory party’s Brexit obsessives. Following Iain Duncan Smith’s lead on Tuesday night, in which, completely irrationally, the former party leader accused the EU not the UK of causing the talks breakdown, three hardline Brexit MPsrattled their swords behind Mrs May with insistences that no red lines must be crossed. It is clear that the fanatics scent blood. They see an opening to ensure the talks collapse next week with the no-deal outcome that they crave as the prelude to their desired bonfire of the social regulations.

The crucial question in politics is therefore whether the pro-Europeans have the weapons and organisation to stop this. In an important intervention this week, Nick Cleggmade clear that the leave fundamentalists are focused on reaching March 2019 with the minimum of pledges to regulation or convergence. Those who oppose this scorched-earth Brexit must now match them, steel for steel, working as one, as Mr Clegg argued. That approach requires significant amendments to the withdrawal bill and parliamentary votes that put the national interest ahead of party. As so often, for the bad people to triumph it requires merely that their opponents do nothing effective. That happened in the referendum campaign. It absolutely must not happen again now.
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« Reply #3635 on: December 07, 2017, 10:16:48 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/06/the-guardian-view-on-the-brexit-crisis-time-to-stop-the-fanatics

Since Monday, however, it has become much clearer that the UK government’s failures and incompetence on Brexit go wider and deeper. Ph
ilip Hammond confirmed on Wednesday what this column had reported, that the cabinet has never at any time had a specific discussion about the kind of Brexit that it is aiming for. As Sir Keir Starmer said in a Guardian article, membership of the single market, the customs union and a role for the European court of justice were simply swept off the table as options by Theresa May’s grossly irresponsible diktat of October 2016.


it's not a failure if you don't want to do it. The UK Government do not want Brexit and are trying to achieve as little Brexit as possible. The only shocking failure is the media and opposition reporting on this as a failure.


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« Reply #3636 on: December 07, 2017, 10:19:16 AM »
As far as I recall DUPUDA hit 36% of the vote in the Westminster Election. Time the other 64% spoke up.

Again a job for the Media. Let's ask why Tommy Gorman doesn't highlight the views of the other 64%? He's intent on highlighting the DUP or SF. Has he ever reported from the business sector?

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« Reply #3637 on: December 07, 2017, 10:52:54 AM »
This is what the DUP are fighting for.
It goes way beyond Protestant dog whistling and identity politics.  This is about the future of the NHS. It is about life expectancy and infant mortality and what sort of society people expect. The DUP want to slash social spending  .    

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/06/the-guardian-view-on-the-brexit-crisis-time-to-stop-the-fanatics

three hardline Brexit MPsrattled their swords behind Mrs May with insistences that no red lines must be crossed. It is clear that the fanatics scent blood. They see an opening to ensure the talks collapse next week with the no-deal outcome that they crave as the prelude to their desired bonfire of the social regulations.

In an important intervention this week, Nick Clegg made clear that the leave fundamentalists are focused on reaching March 2019 with the minimum of pledges to regulation or convergence.
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« Reply #3638 on: December 07, 2017, 11:27:38 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/06/the-guardian-view-on-the-brexit-crisis-time-to-stop-the-fanatics

Since Monday, however, it has become much clearer that the UK government’s failures and incompetence on Brexit go wider and deeper. Ph
ilip Hammond confirmed on Wednesday what this column had reported, that the cabinet has never at any time had a specific discussion about the kind of Brexit that it is aiming for. As Sir Keir Starmer said in a Guardian article, membership of the single market, the customs union and a role for the European court of justice were simply swept off the table as options by Theresa May’s grossly irresponsible diktat of October 2016.


it's not a failure if you don't want to do it. The UK Government do not want Brexit and are trying to achieve as little Brexit as possible. The only shocking failure is the media and opposition reporting on this as a failure.

Trying, failing, to make sense of this.....

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #3639 on: December 07, 2017, 11:29:29 AM »
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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #3640 on: December 07, 2017, 11:50:02 AM »


Trying, failing, to make sense of this.....

If you don't want to do something then don't try.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #3641 on: December 07, 2017, 12:19:12 PM »
Found this amusing https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/videos/711785959026358/

Cannot open that but saw this going around Twitter to help people understand the DUP approach to negotiating:

https://youtu.be/qEsFtiruIok

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« Reply #3642 on: December 07, 2017, 04:13:17 PM »
Found this amusing https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/videos/711785959026358/

Cannot open that but saw this going around Twitter to help people understand the DUP approach to negotiating:

https://youtu.be/qEsFtiruIok

That is really funny lol

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #3644 on: December 07, 2017, 05:00:20 PM »
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