Teachers get it handy!

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Quote from: Kidder81 on February 29, 2024, 10:51:37 AM
Quote from: Mario on February 29, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 10:30:45 AMIs this pay parity not a bit of a red herring? Are all careers not better paid in the uk than here? I know in general on the engineering/ manufacturing side there is around at least a 10% uplift with similar roles in England (Not including London where it's sharper again). But cost of living here is much lower.


I agree with you that all careers are better paid in the UK but I don't think the argument that the cost of living is much lower holds anymore. Maybe in Rural NI with cheaper houses but not in the greater Belfast area.

House prices in Belfast are similar to many northern English cities, childcare costs here are higher here, going out is more expensive, bills probably the same, groceries more expensive. what exactly is cheaper here compared to Northern England, Scotland or Wales?

Council tax v rates ?

Prescription charges

Water charges

Cost of living a lot less in NI. Widely accepted.
Another example of teachers massaging the truth to suit their own agenda.

So we have so far

Cost of living is the same in NI as England
Teachers being laid off
Shortage of teachers

JimStynes

They'd be safer sacking the whole show and start again. Get the army in to teach the children and the teachers!

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Quote from: JimStynes on February 29, 2024, 11:58:14 AMThey'd be safer sacking the whole show and start again. Get the army in to teach the children and the teachers!

Army too expensive. Glorified creche at the end of the day.

tbrick18

Quote from: Mario on February 29, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 10:30:45 AMIs this pay parity not a bit of a red herring? Are all careers not better paid in the uk than here? I know in general on the engineering/ manufacturing side there is around at least a 10% uplift with similar roles in England (Not including London where it's sharper again). But cost of living here is much lower.


I agree with you that all careers are better paid in the UK but I don't think the argument that the cost of living is much lower holds anymore. Maybe in Rural NI with cheaper houses but not in the greater Belfast area.

House prices in Belfast are similar to many northern English cities, childcare costs here are higher here, going out is more expensive, bills probably the same, groceries more expensive. what exactly is cheaper here compared to Northern England, Scotland or Wales?

I would say in general cost of living here is more expensive than the rest of the UK (except London).
Our wages are generally less too which means we feel the pain more.
House prices in Rural NI are not cheap either.....

GTP

Calling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.

imtommygunn

Yeah the begrudgery here is off the scale. Don't get it at all.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: imtommygunn on February 29, 2024, 01:00:14 PMYeah the begrudgery here is off the scale. Don't get it at all.

Irish people.... the salt of the earth  ;D
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

imtommygunn

Some of it's quite vicious though which there's no need for. Yes there are some of the usual shit stirring culprits too but even at that.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: imtommygunn on February 29, 2024, 01:19:41 PMSome of it's quite vicious though which there's no need for. Yes there are some of the usual shit stirring culprits too but even at that.

Someone had to mind their own kids during covid and didn't like it
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Delgany 2nds

Lookit... sure its great to wind them up!

FermGael


St Paddy's day holiday and then the Easter break.

Then they will let the exam pupils out on "study" leave in May and before long you will have June and then they get the paid 8 week vacation.


 
Wanted.  Forwards to take frees.
Not fussy.  Any sort of ability will be considered

Delgany 2nds

Quote from: FermGael on February 29, 2024, 06:06:33 PMSt Paddy's day holiday and then the Easter break.

Then they will let the exam pupils out on "study" leave in May and before long you will have June and then they get the paid 8 week vacation.


 
Super Work

trueblue1234

Quote from: GTP on February 29, 2024, 12:58:43 PMCalling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.

But my point is most careers are lower paid here than UK. Doing the same work as them. I've nothing against teachers getting a rise but trying that argument is a bit of BS imo.

I agree teaching would be a tough career. But so is healthcare, engineering, finance, trades etc. and their all paid less than in the uk too.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

Sportacus

Good to see a DUP spokesperson call out the Education Authority on BBC, although there'll be nothing done.  One thing I'm pretty sure of is that like other front line services, teachers and principals are over burdened by bureaucrats.  Between EA, Department of Education and CCMS, principals will have plenty of ridiculous red tape to wade through.

Duine Inteacht Eile

Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on February 29, 2024, 12:58:43 PMCalling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.

But my point is most careers are lower paid here than UK. Doing the same work as them. I've nothing against teachers getting a rise but trying that argument is a bit of BS imo.

I agree teaching would be a tough career. But so is healthcare, engineering, finance, trades etc. and their all paid less than in the uk too.
Yet, pay parity is exactly what recent healthcare strikes were about and exactly what they received in their pay offer.

But, of course, you'll not call them out for "BS"....