The IRISH RUGBY thread

[Dinny Breen]

While beating New Zealand is an achievement it still doesn't hide the fact that the win is tainted by using foreign mercenaries to achieve the result. You can't really call it an 'Irish" win when you're stacking your team with lads who have no actual ties to the country they play for.

Do you apply that logic to all sports within Ireland that have 'foreigners' ?

In this case some of the players have 0% connection to the country so realistically it's makes the win null and void as "Ireland".

At least Jack Charlton's lads had a granny (except Cascarino)

I think the Aki thing is cynical to a point where it might see a rule change. It wasnt a case of a player happening to be here. It was a structured and methodical pursuit of a promising center for the national team knowing we didnt have a minor in that position coming through. Thats what annoys the Kiwis. The fact they do tbe exact same is not the point as far as they are concerned.

Connaught have been taking 16 and 17 year old south africans and putting them in boarding school. Oh look, 20 and eligible for Ireland. And in positions that we just happen to be light in.

The perception that New Zealand poach young lads from abroad more than anyone else is very over exaggerated. As an example, for the time period of 2005-2017, the following are the numbers of players who made their first appearance and born at home, versus born abroad.

New Zealand - 107 debutants. 90 born in New Zealand, 17 outside. 84.11% at home
England - 126 debutants. 94 born in England, 32 outside. 74.60% at home.
Ireland - 106 debutants. 82 born in Ireland, 24 outside. 77.36% at home.


Australia are the worst. They had only 72.97% of players debuting in that timeframe born in Australia. 30 out of 111 were born outside Australia.

South Africa are the best. They had 96.40% born in South Africa, with only 4 out of 111 born outside South Africa.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/89379984/england-revealed-as-the-home-of-the-poacher

I get that. The issue I have certainly  isnt with non Irish born players from tbe diaspora (O'Gara would be an example) or even lads who land here and stay. There is a cynicism around the IRFU approach that we will be discussing more in the next few years that is pushing the envelope..

We will field a majority non Irish born side in tbe next 10 years. At least under Charlton they were duaspora by and large.

[podge]

What's the status with the Munster centre originally from Tyrone who had at least one great game in last years 6 nations - Farrell?

[screenexile]

What's the status with the Munster centre originally from Tyrone who had at least one great game in last years 6 nations - Farrell?

Back in full training this week think he had an ACL tear he could be a good backup for centre if he can get his form back.

MacKenna heavily suggesting there was something untoward about Murray's absence... Is there anything to it?

[podge]

What's the status with the Munster centre originally from Tyrone who had at least one great game in last years 6 nations - Farrell?

Back in full training this week think he had an ACL tear he could be a good backup for centre if he can get his form back.

MacKenna heavily suggesting there was something untoward about Murray's absence... Is there anything to it?

There was some rumour was there not that the unity was more serious than what was being made public and perhaps career threatening ? Could be balls of course. He would be a serious loss.

I am surprised that Cooney is not further up the peck girder- I would have him as the no 2 Scrum half

[JoG2]

Van Der Flier was born and raised in Wicklow, to a father born and raised in Finglas. If you don't think he should be playing for Ireland, you need a long hard look at yourself.

So? There are a couple of others who invalidated that win at the weekend from being an actual Irish win.

www.tinder.com

[screenexile]

What's the status with the Munster centre originally from Tyrone who had at least one great game in last years 6 nations - Farrell?

Back in full training this week think he had an ACL tear he could be a good backup for centre if he can get his form back.

MacKenna heavily suggesting there was something untoward about Murray's absence... Is there anything to it?

There was some rumour was there not that the unity was more serious than what was being made public and perhaps career threatening ? Could be balls of course. He would be a serious loss.

I am surprised that Cooney is not further up the peck girder- I would have him as the no 2 Scrum half

The rumour is more that he's serving a hushed suspension for misbehaving and there was no real injury at all!

[Never beat the deeler]

While beating New Zealand is an achievement it still doesn't hide the fact that the win is tainted by using foreign mercenaries to achieve the result. You can't really call it an 'Irish" win when you're stacking your team with lads who have no actual ties to the country they play for.

Do you apply that logic to all sports within Ireland that have 'foreigners' ?

In this case some of the players have 0% connection to the country so realistically it's makes the win null and void as "Ireland".

At least Jack Charlton's lads had a granny (except Cascarino)

I think the Aki thing is cynical to a point where it might see a rule change. It wasnt a case of a player happening to be here. It was a structured and methodical pursuit of a promising center for the national team knowing we didnt have a minor in that position coming through. Thats what annoys the Kiwis. The fact they do tbe exact same is not the point as far as they are concerned.

Connaught have been taking 16 and 17 year old south africans and putting them in boarding school. Oh look, 20 and eligible for Ireland. And in positions that we just happen to be light in.

The perception that New Zealand poach young lads from abroad more than anyone else is very over exaggerated. As an example, for the time period of 2005-2017, the following are the numbers of players who made their first appearance and born at home, versus born abroad.

New Zealand - 107 debutants. 90 born in New Zealand, 17 outside. 84.11% at home
England - 126 debutants. 94 born in England, 32 outside. 74.60% at home.
Ireland - 106 debutants. 82 born in Ireland, 24 outside. 77.36% at home.


Australia are the worst. They had only 72.97% of players debuting in that timeframe born in Australia. 30 out of 111 were born outside Australia.

South Africa are the best. They had 96.40% born in South Africa, with only 4 out of 111 born outside South Africa.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/89379984/england-revealed-as-the-home-of-the-poacher

Just looking at Australia being the 'worst'. That percentage is pretty much in line with the percentage of Australians born in Australia. (71.8%, stats from 2015)
For NZ, the percentage would be 74.8%, so the percentage of rugby players born in NZ is higher than the general population trend.
Irish people born in Ireland is reported as 82.7%.

[gallsman]

Murray was on SC a could of weeks ago and was adamant there was nothing untoward about things other than it being a serious neck injury. Expects to be back soon.

[nrico2006]

Read this the other day - obviously some Irish boys that shouldn't be on the list.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2018/01/30/foreign-born-players-2018-six-nations/

[Hound]

Murray was on SC a could of weeks ago and was adamant there was nothing untoward about things other than it being a serious neck injury. Expects to be back soon.

Well Murray would hardly say anything different, but yep, clearly he's been dealing with a neck injury and he's just about ready to rock.

It was very odd the way they played it. Apparently not releasing anything to do with the injury is to do with not adversely affecting future contract negotiations. But it does leave it open for people to come up with spurious reasons, and no better tube than Spewan to dive right in. Like the shite he comes out with about this being a friendly non-competitive match. He's presumably dumbfounded as to why Ireland tried so hard to become a test playing nation in cricket, when all the 5 day matches they'll ever play will be "friendlies". 
At least it gives more people the opportunity to realise what a tit he is.
 

[johnnycool]

Read this the other day - obviously some Irish boys that shouldn't be on the list.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2018/01/30/foreign-born-players-2018-six-nations/

4 Realistically for Ireland who were born outside the country but not reared here, i.e. residency and grandparent rule.

I suppose that level of detail isn't there and that may give a truer reflection of what is going on if they included the year of residency and age at residency.
Same will apply for various other countries too.

[Dinny Breen]

Irish Rugby players are all being educated on GDPR, their medical data is their's to control and they are refusing the IRFU to give more detailed responses on injuries.

[Keyser soze]

Irish Rugby players are all being educated on GDPR, their medical data is their's to control and they are refusing the IRFU to give more detailed responses on injuries.

Heh???

[Dinny Breen]

Irish Rugby players are all being educated on GDPR, their medical data is their's to control and they are refusing the IRFU to give more detailed responses on injuries.

Heh???

Have you not heard about GDPR?

[GetOverTheBar]

What's the status with the Munster centre originally from Tyrone who had at least one great game in last years 6 nations - Farrell?

Back in full training this week think he had an ACL tear he could be a good backup for centre if he can get his form back.

MacKenna heavily suggesting there was something untoward about Murray's absence... Is there anything to it?

That clown would.