Fire in tower block in London.

[Walter Cronc]

What a load of bollocks. Even if it was purely to make it look nicer how would that make it a class issue?

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10154939461291939/

Seems pretty clear to me

Cos some guy said so? Dead on.

The use of inefficient and cheap materials has everything to do with cuts to the public purse and austerity.

The fact that evacuation and fire mitigation concerns were continually raised and not dealt with in London's wealthiest borough says it all.

One man stated if he hadnt been able to use his key fob loads of people wouldnt have got out.

[haranguerer]

The rubbish that is being said here is that they spent 10m on a refurb so that rich people would have a nice view. That is bollocks.

[Walter Cronc]

The rubbish that is being said here is that they spent 10m on a refurb so that rich people would have a nice view. That is bollocks.

It's an opinion. There is no right or wrong.

[Declan]

The rubbish that is being said here is that they spent 10m on a refurb so that rich people would have a nice view. That is bollocks.

It's an opinion. There is no right or wrong.

Correct its the opinion of people from the tower block who lived there and tried to get answers from the management company without success so in my mind it carrys more weight than someone looking in from abroad .

[armaghniac]

The refurbishment isn't the problem, nor the desire for insulation. The problem is that the standards allow this. One proper standard would save all of the towers. I'll bet you too that someplace, Germany, Canada, Sweden... has a proper standard that you could just copy.

[haranguerer]

The rubbish that is being said here is that they spent 10m on a refurb so that rich people would have a nice view. That is bollocks.

It's an opinion. There is no right or wrong.

Correct its the opinion of people from the tower block who lived there and tried to get answers from the management company without success so in my mind it carrys more weight than someone looking in from abroad .

Of course an opinion can be wrong ffs. Spinning some shite about this being a class issue and improvements just for the benefits of the neighbours view does no one any favours, especially since it detracts from the real issue - the safety failings. It was hardly the rich neighbours fault.

[Walter Cronc]

The rubbish that is being said here is that they spent 10m on a refurb so that rich people would have a nice view. That is bollocks.

It's an opinion. There is no right or wrong.

Correct its the opinion of people from the tower block who lived there and tried to get answers from the management company without success so in my mind it carrys more weight than someone looking in from abroad .

Of course an opinion can be wrong ffs. Spinning some shite about this being a class issue and improvements just for the benefits of the neighbours view does no one any favours, especially since it detracts from the real issue - the safety failings. It was hardly the rich neighbours fault.

Firstly stop being so angry on the matter. Chill. Secondly who stated it was the rich neighbours fault?

These shortcuts and mishaps are a direct result of continuous austerity from a government that supports the top % in society.

[quit yo jibbajabba]

The rubbish that is being said here is that they spent 10m on a refurb so that rich people would have a nice view. That is bollocks.

It's an opinion. There is no right or wrong.

Correct its the opinion of people from the tower block who lived there and tried to get answers from the management company without success so in my mind it carrys more weight than someone looking in from abroad .

Of course an opinion can be wrong ffs. Spinning some shite about this being a class issue and improvements just for the benefits of the neighbours view does no one any favours, especially since it detracts from the real issue - the safety failings. It was hardly the rich neighbours fault.

Think in fairness the news had a copy of the planning app and one of the points was improving the aesthetic (sp?)  nature of the building

[Owen Brannigan]

The refurbishment isn't the problem, nor the desire for insulation. The problem is that the standards allow this. One proper standard would save all of the towers. I'll bet you too that someplace, Germany, Canada, Sweden... has a proper standard that you could just copy.

Australian discovered in 2014 that their regulations had not kept up with new materials and it has acres of the same cladding all over multi storey buildings.

As occurs the product came from China and was not covered by existing building regs until something terrible happens.  This occurred in Melbourne in 2014 when a block was swathed in fire in 15 minutes from a cigarette butt lighting the cladding.  It was thrown on concrete towers to hide the concrete which was supposed to be the real fire block.  In many new buildings it is far cheaper to buy and put on as a rain shied for insulation put on the outside of concrete towers.  Still being used across this board as we speak.  Nothing to do with exploiting the poor, just builders and their suppliers ripping off their clients with cheap, fast construction. 

This fire will amend the building regs regarding cladding but too late for the poor of Kensington. 

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[clarshack]

Does anyone know how many people escaped? and how many people are actually missing/feared dead? It seems like the media are downplaying the death toll but when you do the maths it doesn't look good

[Tony Baloney]

Does anyone know how many people escaped? and how many people are actually missing/feared dead? It seems like the media are downplaying the death toll but when you do the maths it doesn't look good

That f**king shite hawk Lily Allen was on channel 4 new earlier saying she knew for a fact there were 150 dead and there was a big cover up! Many, many people will be charcoal at this stage so yes they might know how many people are missing, but like the Manchester bomb, the have a process to go through for a coroner to declare them officially dead. That could take months. They'll be able to work things out with people in their flats but I would guess many victims dead on the stairwells.

[mrdeeds]

Does anyone know how many people escaped? and how many people are actually missing/feared dead? It seems like the media are downplaying the death toll but when you do the maths it doesn't look good

They're saying at least a 100. Sun front page deflecting attention away from May towards London mayor.

[Owen Brannigan]

Does anyone know how many people escaped? and how many people are actually missing/feared dead? It seems like the media are downplaying the death toll but when you do the maths it doesn't look good

They're saying at least a 100. Sun front page deflecting attention away fron May towards London mayor.

Even Channel 4 news are pointing out the problem stated with Labour relaxing the fire regulations and all parties not regularly upgrading building regs to take account of new building methods and new materials.

Khan should be a focus for everyone, he is the elected leader for London and has to take the anger coming his way whether he is responsible or not.  He appears to revel in the position as Mayor and needs to accept that central government is a major step back from running London and he is now in the firing line.

[omaghjoe]

Does anyone know how many people escaped? and how many people are actually missing/feared dead? It seems like the media are downplaying the death toll but when you do the maths it doesn't look good

That f**king shite hawk Lily Allen was on channel 4 new earlier saying she knew for a fact there were 150 dead and there was a big cover up! Many, many people will be charcoal at this stage so yes they might know how many people are missing, but like the Manchester bomb, the have a process to go through for a coroner to declare them officially dead. That could take months. They'll be able to work things out with people in their flats but I would guess many victims dead on the stairwells.

Didnt they say there was 600 or something in the flats? We are hearing plenty of stories of people escaping from the 9, 10 floors but i havent heard too many from higher up, and there was 24 floors.... it could be real bad.
I would not like to be part of that recovery operation.... terrible tragedy

[Walter Cronc]

Yeah I agree regarding the pop stars helping out. Fair play but why not raise these issues months ago. John Snow mentioned she was well off. She claimed she wasn't growing up....was her old man not a fairly successful actor. Hardly on the breadline.