Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

Started by Trevor Hill, January 18, 2010, 12:28:52 AM

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johnnycool

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:20:34 PM
11+ plus, supervised it many a time, didn't really agree with it in principal, as its alot of pressure on children at a young age, but u don't dispose of sthing until the new procedure is up and running. Now children do multi exams and not even in their own school environment. That lies solely at Sinn Feins door as they forced through doing away with the test and didn't give a shit if a new process was in place or not.

Then things will never change here due to the format of Government in Stormont, no?

delgany

Grammar schools are in a very difficult position to use non-academic selection criteria.  The test results are the only objective measure that can be controlled by the schools.
Non- academic criteria would be open to interpretation and hence litigation. It would be a mined field for the schools as they are mainly independent of the employing authorities ( voluntary grammars ), run by their Governors ,funded by DENI. The lawyers would be lining up ! In past few years , there had been two judicial reviews of  a schools non- academic selection criteria. This resulted in the appellant gaining a place and it resulted in some schools changing their criteria, to remove criteria  like " child of an employee , and a child of a past pupil"
The running of tests is the 'best' worst case scenario, at this stage.  SF have no input into the present situation.

RedHand88

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:20:34 PM
11+ plus, supervised it many a time, didn't really agree with it in principal, as its alot of pressure on children at a young age, but u don't dispose of sthing until the new procedure is up and running. Now children do multi exams and not even in their own school environment. That lies solely at Sinn Feins door as they forced through doing away with the test and didn't give a shit if a new process was in place or not.

No, it doesn't. SF made a recommendation after the Burns report. The test was removed by the Labour education secretary Jane Kennedy at the time because she felt the same way.

johnnycool

Quote from: RedHand88 on May 20, 2020, 08:18:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:20:34 PM
11+ plus, supervised it many a time, didn't really agree with it in principal, as its alot of pressure on children at a young age, but u don't dispose of sthing until the new procedure is up and running. Now children do multi exams and not even in their own school environment. That lies solely at Sinn Feins door as they forced through doing away with the test and didn't give a shit if a new process was in place or not.

No, it doesn't. SF made a recommendation after the Burns report. The test was removed by the Labour education secretary Jane Kennedy at the time because she felt the same way.

You're wasting your time redhand, I've provided the links to all the information and it's still the Shinners fault.

The thing is you're right in saying Kennedy did remove the 11+ and then subsequently Ruane tried to introduce profiling but was gerrymandered in her attempts at Stormont.

RedHand88

Quote from: johnnycool on May 20, 2020, 08:58:52 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 20, 2020, 08:18:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:20:34 PM
11+ plus, supervised it many a time, didn't really agree with it in principal, as its alot of pressure on children at a young age, but u don't dispose of sthing until the new procedure is up and running. Now children do multi exams and not even in their own school environment. That lies solely at Sinn Feins door as they forced through doing away with the test and didn't give a shit if a new process was in place or not.

No, it doesn't. SF made a recommendation after the Burns report. The test was removed by the Labour education secretary Jane Kennedy at the time because she felt the same way.

You're wasting your time redhand, I've provided the links to all the information and it's still the Shinners fault.

The thing is you're right in saying Kennedy did remove the 11+ and then subsequently Ruane tried to introduce profiling but was gerrymandered in her attempts at Stormont.

The amount of ignorance about how the 11+ was abolished is unbelievable, even amongst educated people. We were under direct rule when the 11+ was abolished but somehow its the shinners fault.

thewobbler

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Quote from: RedHand88 on May 20, 2020, 10:20:40 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 20, 2020, 08:58:52 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 20, 2020, 08:18:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:20:34 PM
11+ plus, supervised it many a time, didn't really agree with it in principal, as its alot of pressure on children at a young age, but u don't dispose of sthing until the new procedure is up and running. Now children do multi exams and not even in their own school environment. That lies solely at Sinn Feins door as they forced through doing away with the test and didn't give a shit if a new process was in place or not.




No, it doesn't. SF made a recommendation after the Burns report. The test was removed by the Labour education secretary Jane Kennedy at the time because she felt the same way.

You're wasting your time redhand, I've provided the links to all the information and it's still the Shinners fault.

The thing is you're right in saying Kennedy did remove the 11+ and then subsequently Ruane tried to introduce profiling but was gerrymandered in her attempts at Stormont.

The amount of ignorance about how the 11+ was abolished is unbelievable, even amongst educated people. We were under direct rule when the 11+ was abolished but somehow its the shinners fault.

But we've always been at war with Eurasia. That's what this reads like.

Sinn Fein may have been denied the opportunity to kick the winning point, but they put together the team, led the training, drove the bus, briefed the media and even put up all the bunting.

Now 20 years on, they want no part in that victory.


Rewrite history all you want lads.

gallsman

Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.

johnnycool

Quote from: gallsman on May 20, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.

Whilst the DUP weren't ever there at it's inception.


skeog

SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

Jeepers Creepers

Quote from: skeog on May 20, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

JC goes to get popcorn....

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: skeog on May 20, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

Has to be a wind up

johnnycool

Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on May 20, 2020, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 20, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

JC goes to get popcorn....

I would have done alright  ;D

Skeog must be a shinnerbot  8)  (Need to get a balaclava emoji)

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe


skeog

 Just stating you need SF to stand up to the DUP who mightnt be as generous when it comes to helping people in need.

Kidder81

Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on May 20, 2020, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 20, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

JC goes to get popcorn....

She is signing off on stuff her senior civil servants decide on, and I know people that have worked directly with her in Department For Communities would have the opposite opinion of you