Tailteann Cup Round 1 (Group Stage)
Counties Participating
• The following 16 Counties shall be eligible to participate in the Tailteann Cup Round 1 (Group Stage).
(a) The 4 highest-ranked teams at the conclusion of the National League who have not qualified for the Tier 1 Championship (1st seeds)
(b) The next 4 highest-ranked teams at the conclusion of the National League who have not qualified for the Tier 1 Championship (2nd seeds)
(c) The next 4 highest-ranked teams at the conclusion of the National League who have not qualified for the Tier 1 Championship (3rd seeds)
(d) The next 4 highest-ranked teams at the conclusion of the National League who have not qualified for the Tier 1 Championship (4th seeds)
• Note: The ranking of teams in the National League referred to above shall be on the basis of the outcomes of the National League, including those of Promotion and Relegation, of the Competition Year. For the avoidance of doubt, a league final winner will be considered a higher seed than the team they defeated in the final.
Group Composition and order of games
• The Tailteann Cup Group Stage shall be on a League basis of four Groups of four teams (Groups 1, 2, 3 and 4), with each team in a Group playing the other teams in their Group once. Teams will be awarded two points for a win and one point for a draw.
• The composition of each group shall be decided by means of a draw.
• Each Group shall consist of one team from each of the seeded classifications in (a) to (d) above.
• Each team shall play one Home game, one Away game in Round 1 & 2 and one game at a neutral venue in Round 3.
• The order of games;
Round 1: Seed 1 v Seed 3, Seed 2 v Seed 4
Round 2: Seed 3 v Seed 2, Seed 4 v Seed1
Round 3, Neutral: Seed 1 v Seed 2, Seed 3 v Seed 4
• Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.
Schedule of Games
Round 1 (Home & Away)
13-14.05.2023 (Sat/Sun)
Seed 1 v Seed 3
Seed 2 v Seed 4
Round 2 (Home & Away
20-21.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed1
Round 3 (Neutral)
03-04.06.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
Tie-Breakers – Group Stage
In the event of teams finishing on equal points in the Groups, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified;
(xi) Where two teams only are involved – the outcome of the meeting of the two teams in the group
(xii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the total Scores for;
(xiii) Highest Total Score For;
(xiv) Highest Total Goals For;
(xv) A Play-Off.
In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified below:
(vii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other. (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For)
(viii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved, have played each other, and have finished equal in (i)
(ix) A Play-Off
Provision of New York reaches the Connacht final
• New York proceed to the group stages of Sam Maguire
• Tailteann Cup would become 17 teams, with three groups of four teams and one group of five teams. CCCC to confirm the ordering and scheduling of games in the group of five teams, with each team having two home & two away games.
• The 3rd place team in each of the four groups would go to the Preliminary Quarter Finals, and play the four 2nd placed teams.
• The dates of the Preliminary Quarter Finals, Quarter Finals and Semi-Finals would all be put back one week with no change to the final date.
Knock Out Stage
• The Tailteann Cup Winner shall be eligible for the GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship the following year, regardless of league position.
• New York will enter the competition at the Preliminary-Quarter-Final stage and play against one of the second-placed teams from the group stage.
• All games will be winner on the day, including the final.
• Venues for the All-Ireland Semi-Finals and Final shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• The first-placed team in each group shall have home venue in the Quarter-Final.
• The second-placed team in each group shall have home venue in the Preliminary Quarter-Finals.
• Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.
Preliminary Quarter-Finals
10-11.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
The second-placed team in each of the four groups in Round 1 shall be drawn to play at Home against New York and the three "best placed" third-placed teams in each group.
The draw shall be subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stage).
The three "best placed" third-placed teams across the four groups shall be determined using the following criteria.
(i) Total Number of Points
(ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the Scores for
(iii) Highest Total Score For
(iv) Highest Total Goals For
(v) Lowest Total Goals Against
(vi) A Play-Off
Exception: In relation to means (ii) to (v) above, if the accumulated scores of a team, so involved, are affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by a Play-Off.
If more than two teams are involved in a Play-Off, based on a draw conducted by the CCCC, two teams shall play-off for a Preliminary Quarter-Final place, with the remaining team(s) progressing to the Preliminary Quarter-Final.
Quarter-Finals
17-18.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
The four first-place teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners.
Subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stage).
Semi-Finals
25.06.2023 (Sun)
(Two Games)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Final
15.07.2023 (Sat)
(One Game)
The winners of the All-Ireland Semi-Finals shall meet in the All-Ireland Final.
"Qualifiers" so far
London, Leitrim, New York (Pre Qf)
Limerick, Tipp, Waterford,
Cavan, Fermanagh, Antrim
Longford, Carlow, Wexford.
Edit.. Meath and Wicklow now there.
Down/Offaly/Kildare/Cork still in the running for last 2 places.
I've a hunch we (Laois) might secure our spot later today.
Quote from: The PRO on April 23, 2023, 10:04:18 AM
I've a hunch we (Laois) might secure our spot later today.
Just by the skin of their teeth!
Quote from: grounded on April 23, 2023, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: The PRO on April 23, 2023, 10:04:18 AM
I've a hunch we (Laois) might secure our spot later today.
Just by the skin of their teeth!
Going man to man and playing "traditional open football" against the likes of O'Callaghan, Kilkenny & co. will certainly help secure your place in the Tailteann Cup without any great difficultly.
Quote from: Laois Rising on April 24, 2023, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: grounded on April 23, 2023, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: The PRO on April 23, 2023, 10:04:18 AM
I've a hunch we (Laois) might secure our spot later today.
Just by the skin of their teeth!
Going man to man and playing "traditional open football" against the likes of O'Callaghan, Kilkenny & co. will certainly help secure your place in the Tailteann Cup without any great difficultly.
It worked well alright. Shored it up at half time which should have been the starting set up.
So in plain English when are we likely to play our first game and how soon will we know who the opposition?
I believe the draws are 2nd May and ye minnows start the weekend 13/14 May.
Grand, Plenty of time to work on defending, attacking, midfield, strategy, finding a few new players and so on.
Quote from: thejuice on April 24, 2023, 08:46:05 PM
Grand, Plenty of time to work on defending, attacking, midfield, strategy, finding a few new players and so on.
Yes, a good part of that should be sorted when ye are back in the Sam Maguire competition next year.
1st seeds: Meath, Cavan, Fermanagh, Limerick
2nd seeds: Down, Offaly, Antrim, Wicklow
3rd seeds: Longford, Tipperary, Laois, Wexford
4th seeds: Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, London
Current Tailteann Cup Odds
Cavan 15/8
Meath 5/1
Down 11/2
Offaly 7/1
Fermanagh 7/1
Limerick 12/1
Antrim 20/1
Laois 20/1
Leitrim 33/1
Longford 33/1
Tipperary 40/1
Wicklow 40/1
Wexford 50/1
Carlow 100/1
London 150/1
Waterford 150/1
New York 250/1
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2023, 02:36:08 PM
Current Tailteann Cup Odds
Cavan 15/8
Meath 5/1
Down 11/2
Offaly 7/1
Fermanagh 7/1
Limerick 12/1
Antrim 20/1
Laois 20/1
Leitrim 33/1
Longford 33/1
Tipperary 40/1
Wicklow 40/1
Wexford 50/1
Carlow 100/1
London 150/1
Waterford 150/1
New York 250/1
The value odds if those two teams retain the majority of their panels.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2023, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2023, 02:36:08 PM
Current Tailteann Cup Odds
Cavan 15/8
Meath 5/1
Down 11/2
Offaly 7/1
Fermanagh 7/1
Limerick 12/1
Antrim 20/1
Laois 20/1
Leitrim 33/1
Longford 33/1
Tipperary 40/1
Wicklow 40/1
Wexford 50/1
Carlow 100/1
London 150/1
Waterford 150/1
New York 250/1
The value odds if those two teams retain the majority of their panels.
Down were terrible yesterday but I'd say if they got the under 20's in theres a chance they'll go far. Meath won't do much.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/01/football-championship-draw-heralds-uncharted-territory-for-gaa/
Tailteann Cup seeding
Pot 1: Meath, Cavan, Fermanagh, Limerick
Pot 2: Down, Offaly, Antrim, Wicklow
Pot 3: Longford, Tipperary, Laois, Wexford
Pot 4: Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, London
Group 1
Cavan
Offaly
Laois
London
Group 2
Meath
Down
Tipp
Waterford
Group 3
Limerick
Wicklow
Longford
Carlow
Group 4
Fermanagh
Antrim
Wexford
Leitrim
Fermanagh s group is probably the toughest group.
Would still expect us to top that group though
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2023, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2023, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2023, 02:36:08 PM
Current Tailteann Cup Odds
Cavan 15/8
Meath 5/1
Down 11/2
Offaly 7/1
Fermanagh 7/1
Limerick 12/1
Antrim 20/1
Laois 20/1
Leitrim 33/1
Longford 33/1
Tipperary 40/1
Wicklow 40/1
Wexford 50/1
Carlow 100/1
London 150/1
Waterford 150/1
New York 250/1
The value odds if those two teams retain the majority of their panels.
Down were terrible yesterday but I'd say if they got the under 20's in theres a chance they'll go far. Meath won't do much.
I wonder what the state of Offaly's injuries are like - they had a few missing on Saturday - could have done with them off the bench for extra time
Group 1
Cavan 15/8
Offaly 7/1
Laois 20/1
London 150/1
Group 2
Meath 5/1
Down 11/2
Tipp 40/1
Waterford 150/1
Group 3
Limerick 12/1
Wicklow 40/1
Longford 33/1
Carlow 100/1
Group 4
Fermanagh 7/1
Antrim 20/1
Wexford 50/1
Leitrim 33/1
Pre draw odds to win Tailteann
The thing is that winning your group in this (and in Sam) is key so Group 4 might not be a bad group to be in for Fermanagh as they got the 2nd weakest 2nd seed, the weakest 3rd seed and the strongest 4th seed.
Cavan 15/8 2/1
Meath 5/1 11/2
Down 11/2 11/2
Offaly 7/1 7/1
Fermanagh 7/1 7/1
Limerick 12/1 9/1
Antrim 20/1 20/1
Laois 20/1 16/1
Leitrim 33/1 25/1
Longford 33/1 33/1
Tipperary 40/1 40/1
Wicklow 40/1 33/1
Wexford 50/1 50/1
Carlow 100/1 80/1
London 150/1 150/1
Waterford 150/1 150/1
New York 250/1 250/1
Odds to win pre and post draw.
Teams whose odds shortened got a good draw. Limerick/Laois/Leitrim/Wicklow/Carlow
Teams whose odds lengthened got a bad draw. Cavan/Meath
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 02, 2023, 01:41:56 PM
Group 1
Cavan 15/8
Offaly 7/1
Laois 20/1
London 150/1
Group 2
Meath 5/1
Down 11/2
Tipp 40/1
Waterford 150/1
Group 3
Limerick 12/1
Wicklow 40/1
Longford 33/1
Carlow 100/1
Group 4
Fermanagh 7/1
Antrim 20/1
Wexford 50/1
Leitrim 33/1
Pre draw odds to win Tailteann
The thing is that winning your group in this (and in Sam) is key so Group 4 might not be a bad group to be in for Fermanagh as they got the 2nd weakest 2nd seed, the weakest 3rd seed and the strongest 4th seed.
Can't figure out how Cavan are such strong favorites for this apart from a few good performances in the early stages of the league (which i now put down to been further ahead on fitness than the opposition) the last few games have been poor.
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 02, 2023, 02:08:32 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 02, 2023, 01:41:56 PM
Group 1
Cavan 15/8
Offaly 7/1
Laois 20/1
London 150/1
Group 2
Meath 5/1
Down 11/2
Tipp 40/1
Waterford 150/1
Group 3
Limerick 12/1
Wicklow 40/1
Longford 33/1
Carlow 100/1
Group 4
Fermanagh 7/1
Antrim 20/1
Wexford 50/1
Leitrim 33/1
Pre draw odds to win Tailteann
The thing is that winning your group in this (and in Sam) is key so Group 4 might not be a bad group to be in for Fermanagh as they got the 2nd weakest 2nd seed, the weakest 3rd seed and the strongest 4th seed.
Can't figure out how Cavan are such strong favorites for this apart from a few good performances in the early stages of the league (which i now put down to been further ahead on fitness than the opposition) the last few games have been poor.
Yeah I'm a bit puzzled too.
I wonder if they are being over-rated a bit because of the final result against Armagh?
To me it was a game where Armagh took their foot of the pedal and Cavan got a run of scores that made the scoreline look a lot closer than it should have been.
I would think Cavan definitely have a good chance to win it (a lot will depend on how they approach it [like all the other teams] but I wouldn't be backing them at those odds with a stolen bookies money. Offaly and Down are the ones who look like potential value options in the backing stacks at the moment.
Meath are badly over priced as well.
As bad as we've been I'd fancy us to get over Tipp at home and Waterford but I'd have Down as strong favourites to beat us which will probably be played in Clones. Where we go after that is anyones guess.
At least we have 3 games to try and put some sort of shape together as the O'Byrne Cup, League and Leinster championship obviously wasn't enough for CO'R to do that.
Quote from: thejuice on May 02, 2023, 03:09:02 PM
As bad as we've been I'd fancy us to get over Tipp at home and Waterford but I'd have Down as strong favourites to beat us which will probably be played in Clones. Where we go after that is anyones guess.
At least we have 3 games to try and put some sort of shape together as the O'Byrne Cup, League and Leinster championship obviously wasn't enough for CO'R to do that.
Down aren't great. They didn't get promoted and Armagh walked all over them.
They beat Donegal though. If it's in Clones they'll be more at home than us too.
After Sunday I don't think I could face Clones again so soon. I'd take Breffini or Parnell Park 1st. Probably will be in Clones though. Hopefully Monaghan have a home game that weekend.
Longford should get out of the Group. A lot of games to get rid of a handful of teams. But look let's give it a try. Going back to Longford while I expect them to advance I don't think any of the games are real crowd pullers. Can't see supporters getting very excited over playing Carlow. Limerick or Wicklow.
Offaly might be a dark horse, presumably they want to win and they did rightly against Louth.
Quote from: thejuice on May 02, 2023, 04:26:44 PM
They beat Donegal though. If it's in Clones they'll be more at home than us too.
A repeat of the 1991 final
Is it 2 or 3 teams to qualify from each group?
Quote from: yellowcard on May 03, 2023, 10:19:08 AM
Is it 2 or 3 teams to qualify from each group?
Same as the All-Ireland group apart from the worst place 3rd place team won't go through and their spot in the 2nd v 3rd play off taken by New York.
Any word on when fixtures will be confirmed?
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 04, 2023, 03:24:48 PM
Any word on when fixtures will be confirmed?
This afternoon.
Only the first round fixtures confirmed today. Down fixture not confirmed for whatever reason.
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Anything to do with under 20s still being in competition I wonder ...
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 05, 2023, 04:09:35 PM
Anything to do with under 20s still being in competition I wonder ...
Perhaps and i don't believe the 7 day rule on U20 players applies for the Tailteann Cup
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 05, 2023, 04:41:20 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 05, 2023, 04:09:35 PM
Anything to do with under 20s still being in competition I wonder ...
Perhaps and i don't believe the 7 day rule on U20 players applies for the Tailteann Cup
This comp is due to start the same weekend as the U20 Final. So If Down beat Kildare the seniors and U20s can't play same day.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 05, 2023, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 05, 2023, 04:41:20 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 05, 2023, 04:09:35 PM
Anything to do with under 20s still being in competition I wonder ...
Perhaps and i don't believe the 7 day rule on U20 players applies for the Tailteann Cup
This comp is due to start the same weekend as the U20 Final. So If Down beat Kildare the seniors and U20s can't play same day.
I wonder when did Waterford last play in Newry?
I remember them playing in Newry in the nfl during James McCartans playing days. Down beat them well that day is all I remember.
2023 Tailteann Cup launched today.
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Larry McCarthy
"We are confident the Tailteann Cup will grow and grow but we are also not complacent. And as I have said before about being wary of a sophomore slump, we are determined to ensure that we build further on the excellent foundation laid in the Tailteann Cup last summer and see even more progress made this year.
"That success is built on our commitment to its marketing and promotion, the use of Croke Park, the prominence given to its crucial fixtures in our calendar, as well as a dedicated awards ceremony, a holiday prize fund and the guarantee of a place in the Sam Maguire Cup in 2024 for its champions.
"These significant gestures will only ever be a supporting cast. The real stars will always be the games and the players on centre stage and what the Tailteann Cup showed was that when teams of equal ability meet, the games are hugely competitive and hugely enjoyable."
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 08, 2023, 05:33:46 PM
2023 Tailteann Cup launched today.
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Larry McCarthy
"We are confident the Tailteann Cup will grow and grow but we are also not complacent. And as I have said before about being wary of a sophomore slump, we are determined to ensure that we build further on the excellent foundation laid in the Tailteann Cup last summer and see even more progress made this year.
"That success is built on our commitment to its marketing and promotion, the use of Croke Park, the prominence given to its crucial fixtures in our calendar, as well as a dedicated awards ceremony, a holiday prize fund and the guarantee of a place in the Sam Maguire Cup in 2024 for its champions.
"These significant gestures will only ever be a supporting cast. The real stars will always be the games and the players on centre stage and what the Tailteann Cup showed was that when teams of equal ability meet, the games are hugely competitive and hugely enjoyable."
Have to say the Meath and Down jerseys look weird in that line up.
Ni uasal agis iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal.
Donal Og Cusack having another pop at the Tailteann now he seems to care for nothing only Munster Hurling.
I don't think the ticket price increases and extra matches coupled with the condensed calendar will do anything for the Tailteann this year. Sam Maguire and Hurling will take all the attention.
There isn't any justification for ticket price increases and I'd say crowds may be fairly poor this weekend. There's a danger this turns into the Joe McDonagh or Tommy Murphy although I think there is more crowd interest for latter stages.
Charging €15 and €5 for children to Group games is crazy stuff and will do nothing to attract people to the games.
Group One – Cavan, Offaly, Laois, London
May 13th/14th: Cavan v Laois; Offaly v London
May 20th/21st: Laois v Offaly; London v Cavan
June 3rd/4th (neutral venues): Cavan v Offaly; Laois v London
Group Two – Meath, Down, Tipperary, Waterford
May 13th/14th: Meath v Tipperary; Down v Waterford
May 20th/21st: Waterford v Meath; Tipperary v Down
June 3rd/4th (neutral venues): Meath v Down; Tipperary v Waterford
Group Three – Limerick, Wicklow, Longford, Carlow
May 13th/14th: Limerick v Longford; Wicklow v Carlow
May 20th/21st:Longford v Wicklow; Carlow v Limerick
June 3rd/4th (neutral venues): Limerick v Wicklow; Longford v Carlow
Group Four – Fermanagh, Antrim, Wexford, Leitrim
May 13th/14th: Fermanagh v Wexford; Antrim v Leitrim
May 20th/21st: Wexford v Antrim; Leitrim v Fermanagh
June 3rd/4th (neutral venues): Fermanagh v Antrim; Wexford v Leitrim
Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2023, 06:43:16 PM
Charging €15 and €5 for children to Group games is crazy stuff and will do nothing to attract people to the games.
Those prices aren't bad at all. Paid way more for the hurling group stages last year.
Meath going with 3 debutants tomorrow including goalkeeper. Three other changes from the Offaly game but the same 6 backs are named. So hard to know with this team how they'll perform but definitely aren't hitting their potential as far as I can see.
1. Seán Brennan
2. Adam O'Neill
3. Ronan Ryan
4. Michael Flood
5. Donal Keogan (Captain)
6. Padraic Harnan
7. Seán Coffey
8. Ronan Jones
9. Conor Gray
10. Cillian O'Sullivan
11. Jack Flynn
12. Jack O'Connor
13. Jordan Morris
14. Mathew Costello
15. Aaron Lynch
Quote from: thejuice on May 12, 2023, 08:05:05 PM
Meath going with 3 debutants tomorrow including goalkeeper. Three other changes from the Offaly game but the same 6 backs are named. So hard to know with this team how they'll perform but definitely aren't hitting their potential as far as I can see.
1. Seán Brennan
2. Adam O'Neill
3. Ronan Ryan
4. Michael Flood
5. Donal Keogan (Captain)
6. Padraic Harnan
7. Seán Coffey
8. Ronan Jones
9. Conor Gray
10. Cillian O'Sullivan
11. Jack Flynn
12. Jack O'Connor
13. Jordan Morris
14. Mathew Costello
15. Aaron Lynch
Has some of the Meath panel left since their Leinster championship exit. Tipp in bad shape so probably not a bad game to give debut lads a run out.
Meath need to establish a baseline from which they can generate consistency and solidity. I think that is more important than winning the competition.
Quote from: thejuice on May 12, 2023, 08:01:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2023, 06:43:16 PM
Charging €15 and €5 for children to Group games is crazy stuff and will do nothing to attract people to the games.
Those prices aren't bad at all. Paid way more for the hurling group stages last year.
€50 for the family say! And 3 group games it would soon add up. Thats before you pay diesel food a pint etc etc
They then set a game in Thurles ahead of Tipp v Limerick and its 20 euro for the terrace as there is no seating available.
In the immortal words of Meaths most popular dinosaur, I will eat my hat if Meath win the Tailteann cup
A Cavan v Meath Final with 12 Sams lined up beside the TC.
Routine win for Cavan against Laois 2-20 to 1-14
Meath 0-07
Tipp 0-04
Half time. Slow start. Well on top now scoring 7 points to 1 after 15 minutes
Another few results
Limerick 2-16 Longford 1-16
Down 2-14 Waterford 1-6
My opinion on this so far is the changes from last year ie group stages not knockout, increased ticket prices and going off against the big first tier football/hurling, is going to harm this competition.
It would be interesting to get a sense of attendances, the Cavan Laois match had a fairly poor attendance. The attendance for the U20s final before emphasised this big time.
Meath 1-19
Tipperary 0-11
Full time. Comfortable win in the end. Emptied the bench and it didn't affect the outcome. Aaron Lynch scored 1-3 on his senior debut.
Meath,Down and Cavan matches as one sided as last week's Connacht and Munster finals. The powers to be will be calling for a 3rd tier and not like such games can be avoided.
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Quote from: full moon on May 13, 2023, 07:47:45 PM
My opinion on this so far is the changes from last year ie group stages not knockout, increased ticket prices and going off against the big first tier football/hurling, is going to harm this competition.
It would be interesting to get a sense of attendances, the Cavan Laois match had a fairly poor attendance. The attendance for the U20s final before emphasised this big time.
Season 2 will be very interesting, truly hope that it catches the imagination, but I think in the longer run more incentive is needed.
Whilst Meath may talk about wanting to win, will the fans buy in? Would Cork really have had an interest? Even Cavan, their big aim for the year was promotion and an Ulster final, are fans invested really?
We'd hope that interest increases with the advent of the knockout stage, and it's probably no bad thing giving teams the 3 group games for a bit of shadow boxing, but i do have concerns over its longer term appeal.
Any suggestions as to what could be done to ensure there's a genuine interest in the TC from players and fans alike?
All that rush for tickets for the semi, think Down seen today, where there real support is, and who it is.
if the same matchups was in the old backdoor qualifiers would attendances be the same or higher.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2023, 05:38:08 PM
Routine win for Cavan against Laois 2-20 to 1-14
Very poor decision by the ref to give Cavan a penalty for a phantom foot block after Laois had made a great start. Turning point and Cavan ploughed on while Laois ran aground.
Very very few people stayed on from the U20 game. Massive Sligo crowd and decent Kildare crowd. The U20 game was over at about 2.50 i think, with the Cavan game not on till 4pm, so easy to see why people weren't keen to hang around. Whereas if it was the old system of a quick turnaround, plenty would have stayed to have a look. Not sure it makes sense to leave the big gaps just in case there is ET, given it happens so rarely. Not really a massive deal to delay throw in, in the very few cases where it is actually required.
Quote from: Hound on May 14, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2023, 05:38:08 PM
Routine win for Cavan against Laois 2-20 to 1-14
Very poor decision by the ref to give Cavan a penalty for a phantom foot block after Laois had made a great start. Turning point and Cavan ploughed on while Laois ran aground.
Very very few people stayed on from the U20 game. Massive Sligo crowd and decent Kildare crowd. The U20 game was over at about 2.50 i think, with the Cavan game not on till 4pm, so easy to see why people weren't keen to hang around. Whereas if it was the old system of a quick turnaround, plenty would have stayed to have a look. Not sure it makes sense to leave the big gaps just in case there is ET, given it happens so rarely. Not really a massive deal to delay throw in, in the very few cases where it is actually required.
Probably was a turning point but I think it was penalty. Double headers when both matches must finish on the day isn't suitable.
While players wants more games I'm not sure will group stages games carry the same interest for supporters as knock out football does.
Quote from: Hound on May 14, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2023, 05:38:08 PM
Routine win for Cavan against Laois 2-20 to 1-14
Very poor decision by the ref to give Cavan a penalty for a phantom foot block after Laois had made a great start. Turning point and Cavan ploughed on while Laois ran aground.
Very very few people stayed on from the U20 game. Massive Sligo crowd and decent Kildare crowd. The U20 game was over at about 2.50 i think, with the Cavan game not on till 4pm, so easy to see why people weren't keen to hang around. Whereas if it was the old system of a quick turnaround, plenty would have stayed to have a look. Not sure it makes sense to leave the big gaps just in case there is ET, given it happens so rarely. Not really a massive deal to delay throw in, in the very few cases where it is actually required.
Totally agree with you with the gaps for double headers now, I'm surprised more people don't raise that issue.
Yesterday was a joke in that regard, 70 minutes between both matches and Cavan game upped in price, ended up with a very poor crowd when it could have kept a good crowd for a while from first match.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 14, 2023, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 14, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2023, 05:38:08 PM
Routine win for Cavan against Laois 2-20 to 1-14
Very poor decision by the ref to give Cavan a penalty for a phantom foot block after Laois had made a great start. Turning point and Cavan ploughed on while Laois ran aground.
Very very few people stayed on from the U20 game. Massive Sligo crowd and decent Kildare crowd. The U20 game was over at about 2.50 i think, with the Cavan game not on till 4pm, so easy to see why people weren't keen to hang around. Whereas if it was the old system of a quick turnaround, plenty would have stayed to have a look. Not sure it makes sense to leave the big gaps just in case there is ET, given it happens so rarely. Not really a massive deal to delay throw in, in the very few cases where it is actually required.
Probably was a turning point but I think it was penalty. Double headers when both matches must finish on the day isn't suitable.
While players wants more games I'm not sure will group stages games carry the same interest for supporters as knock out football does.
There is very little jeopardy in the group stage. I think it will take fans a while to get used to the new setup.
Results today
Antrim 3-18 Leitrim 2-12
Fermanagh 1-13 Wexford 1-13
That was very poor from Fermanagh
Cruising for most of the game .
Had a goal disallowed for a square ball , then gave away a penalty and had out keeper back carded .
Quote from: FermGael on May 14, 2023, 03:32:29 PM
That was very poor from Fermanagh
Cruising for most of the game .
Had a goal disallowed for a square ball , then gave away a penalty and had out keeper back carded .
Bookie buster game ;D
Another result Offaly 2-14 London 0-11. A mini shock on league form? Wicklow 1-13 Carlow 0-17
Quote from: onefineday on May 14, 2023, 01:00:27 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 13, 2023, 07:47:45 PM
My opinion on this so far is the changes from last year ie group stages not knockout, increased ticket prices and going off against the big first tier football/hurling, is going to harm this competition.
It would be interesting to get a sense of attendances, the Cavan Laois match had a fairly poor attendance. The attendance for the U20s final before emphasised this big time.
Season 2 will be very interesting, truly hope that it catches the imagination, but I think in the longer run more incentive is needed.
Whilst Meath may talk about wanting to win, will the fans buy in? Would Cork really have had an interest? Even Cavan, their big aim for the year was promotion and an Ulster final, are fans invested really?
We'd hope that interest increases with the advent of the knockout stage, and it's probably no bad thing giving teams the 3 group games for a bit of shadow boxing, but i do have concerns over its longer term appeal.
Any suggestions as to what could be done to ensure there's a genuine interest in the TC from players and fans alike?
I'm not sure but ticket prices should not have went up and kids should be in free otherwise we're looking at empty stadiums. That's one issue that's a problem now.
Also think they should look at McDonagh in hurling and possibly have the winner re-enter the Sam Maguire for a preliminary QF the same year. Would increase interest for supporters a bit I'd say.
From talking the Cavan supporters, the Armagh defeat and performance destroyed a lot of morale. I think we may only see supporters return if we reach semi final or final. I'd say it's probably similar for other counties.
Charging €15 and €5 for kids to the TC group games is fkn madness.
€10 and free for u16s might tempt more to the games.
A but of imaginative marketing and ticket packages would help too.
If there's no marketing expertise in HQ (obviously not) I'm sure some of the sponsor Companies would oblige.
It's obvious in GAA world that those who set prices never gave to pay in to a game.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2023, 07:37:59 PM
Charging €15 and €5 for kids to the TC group games is fkn madness.
€10 and free for u16s might tempt more to the games.
A but of imaginative marketing and ticket packages would help too.
If there's no marketing expertise in HQ (obviously not) I'm sure some of the sponsor Companies would oblige.
It's obvious in GAA world that those who set prices never gave to pay in to a game.
Agree, also the games are close together now as well and there is cost of living crisis, free matches for kids is not much to ask for the likes of this.
I've always liked that idea of a winning team entering the higher championship at a later stage, it's better than the current reward of entering the following year as momentum and form can have disappeared by then (not pointing any fingers Westmeath). It also gives a really good incentive for the TC.
The obvious problem is that means TC has to be played off earlier than the All Ireland series. Maybe a quarter final slot could be reserved and TC could be tightened up a touch to allow that to happen?
For me the Tailteann cup is a half way house, we need to get to a situation where we have 3 Tiers like in club football - Senior, Intermediate and Junior. In reality we are giving teams 3 games now but to many it will be 3 hammerings. 3 Tiers works in ladies football and in all counties club football and thats what the way to go in my opinion.
Yeah there probably needs to be less in the top tier especially. For example you look at Louth yesterday and then Clare the week before (and Sligo). I think there will be more hammerings in the sam maguire than the tailteann cup. (The football is becoming like the hurling where the gap between the top and bottom is becoming huge - I don't think it's that big between the middle and the bottom).
Quote from: onefineday on May 15, 2023, 12:36:37 AM
I've always liked that idea of a winning team entering the higher championship at a later stage, it's better than the current reward of entering the following year as momentum and form can have disappeared by then (not pointing any fingers Westmeath). It also gives a really good incentive for the TC.
The obvious problem is that means TC has to be played off earlier than the All Ireland series. Maybe a quarter final slot could be reserved and TC could be tightened up a touch to allow that to happen?
Where exactly would you get it run off? I just can't see how it can be squeezed into the calendar. And also that is a lot of games, to then enter another Championship. The idea always was to have it at the level and recognition/promotion of Sam. Run off at the same time of year, and final on a day with an All Ireland semi final or such in mid-summer. Rather than run it all off by May so they can join in the winners to the Quarters where people forget about it after they invariably lose.
Would mean a load of Counties would have a 3 month Season of Feb, March and April.
Couldn't see the point at all of splitting championship and offering the winners a way back into AI race. Would be disastrous for all TC participants and for the winners themselves when the feel good factor of silverware gets immediately wiped away by the inevitable drubbings to come the following weeks. Winning a cup should be enough of a standalone achievement, then build on it next year.
Reality is that the AI series is well beyond the level of any possible TC winner and a good number of the AI participants themselves. 9 teams are 50/1 or longer for Sam and for the TC itself, 9 teams are 40/1 or longer. So unless we're about to see an unprecedented number of bookies going around on bicycles, football is crying out for a 3rd tier.
Yes, fair points about TC winners not getting back into the all Ireland series, it would devalue the competition and could take the gloss off a successful season.
But what can we do to make the TC attractive to the 'big guns' who fall into it - and most of us will be there at some point in the next decade.
I agree that 3 tiers are probably required. Good team holiday of course. I think they should play the finals on all Ireland final day. What about a guaranteed promotion spot if needed?
So if a d3 team won TC they'd also be promoted to D2. They'd replace either the lowest ranked D2 team in the TC if any qualified or if none were in TC, the 3rd bottom team in D2. I actually think that might really spice up the TC.
I think the so called big teams in it this year like Meath Down and cavan are taking it seriously. Although it's a long time since any of those 3 were competitive at thr top level. But playing on all Ireland final day would be a nightmare for fans looking for tickets. If there were 3 tiers you could definitely have an all Ireland weekend with the junior and intermediate finals on a Saturday evening.
Maybe from a players perspective, a holiday might be a nice little reward for winning it.
From one Cavan fans point of view, I think there are too many games and we'll be expected to win most of them handy enough. Can't see too much footfall through the gates until the later knock out stages, assuming we get there. A lot of our fans will expect us to win it, if we do there won't be too many bonfires, if we don't there'll be calls for new management.
Personally I'd love to be in a middle tier. Would be less group games, none of them easy and it would be a massive achievement for us to win it out. Of course to assume this is our level we should be able to win TC, something we failed to do last year.
I'd leave the leagues as the main ranking tournament. Then obviously championship winners from previous year would move up a grade. And winners of provincials would play top tier. I'd do away with provincial finalists getting into top tier, maybe move them to middle tier if they aren't already at that level.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 18, 2023, 07:05:36 AM
I think the so called big teams in it this year like Meath Down and cavan are taking it seriously. Although it's a long time since any of those 3 were competitive at thr top level. But playing on all Ireland final day would be a nightmare for fans looking for tickets. If there were 3 tiers you could definitely have an all Ireland weekend with the junior and intermediate finals on a Saturday evening.
Yeah agree with this. Wouldnt be great if say Kerry were playing Armagh ;) and Meath were playing Kildare on the same day, be a nightmare for tickets. Meath and Kildare and say Carlow and Leitrim on a Saturday evening would be good.
Results
London get closer than expected. Cavan: 0-18 London: 2-6
Limerick 1-19 Carlow 0-14
Longford 3-17 Wicklow 2-9
Wexford 0-14 Antrim 2-15
Leitrim 2-7 Fermanagh 1-19
Meath 3-17 Waterford 1-14
Offaly 1-11 Laois 1-11
Today's one result, very one sided contest.
Tipp 0-6 Down 2-18
One game that could be considered a contest for the whole weekend.
Antrim game was close so two... Sam Maguire will be like that too.
There will be a Junior competition in the future that would include Warwichshire, New York, London, Kilkenny, Waterford, and would be open to a standard of representation from other areas such as Scotland and Europe.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 21, 2023, 06:59:00 PM
There will be a Junior competition in the future that would include Warwichshire, New York, London, Kilkenny, Waterford, and would be open to a standard of representation from other areas such as Scotland and Europe.
Junior championship on in July. Four teams taking part. British winner and runner up,Kilkenny and New York.
There's no difference to the senior though. There will be some big beatings shipped in it too.
Two week break until the final round of group games. New York will take the spot of the worst 3rd place team in preliminary quarter finals and the group winner will have a home Quarter final.
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Remaining games (neutral venues)
Cavan v Offaly
Laois V London
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Meath v Down
Tipperary v Waterford
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Limerick V Wicklow
Longford v Carlow
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Fermanagh V Antrim
Wexford v Leitrim
Wicklow only team already out?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 21, 2023, 09:19:03 PM
Wicklow only team already out?
Hadn't realised that - assumed that mathematically everyone would still have a chance of progressing until their final match, but you are correct. They're out. Still, successful season for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82VswJAC9sQ&pp=ygUUZG9uYWwgb2cgc3VuZGF5IGdhbWU%3D
Deflection & Denial from Donal Og, pure clown.
Confirmed venues and throw in times for the round 3 matches.
Saturday 3rd June
Cavan v Offaly - Pearse Park 3pm
Laois v London - Parnell Park 3pm
Meath v Down - Parnell Park 1pm on GAAGO
Tipp v Waterford - Páirc Uí Chaoimh 1pm
Sunday June 4th
Limerick v Wicklow - O' Moore Park 1pm
Longford v Carlow - O'Moore Park 3pm
Wexford v Leitrim - Parnell Park 3pm
Fermanagh v Antrim - Athletic Grounds 3pm
Quote from: Rudi on May 22, 2023, 10:32:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82VswJAC9sQ&pp=ygUUZG9uYWwgb2cgc3VuZGF5IGdhbWU%3D
Deflection & Denial from Donal Og, pure clown.
Good for Joanne Cantwell for standing up to him.
Quote from: joemamas on May 22, 2023, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 22, 2023, 10:32:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82VswJAC9sQ&pp=ygUUZG9uYWwgb2cgc3VuZGF5IGdhbWU%3D
Deflection & Denial from Donal Og, pure clown.
Good for Joanne Cantwell for standing up to him.
She is a dreadful presenter. I switch off when I see her. I think most of the panels can't be arsed with her either
Never watch the shite before the game starts or half chat, as it's a waste of time, I'm not getting any extra insight into the game, unless stating the obvious is what you need.
But happened to be shown that incident with Donal Og, she'd no need to bring shite football chat into that and it was embarrassing all round. People who do like that stuff what to hear about hurling, not getting a reaction by blindsiding someone.
The last secondary competition in football 'The Tommy Cooper cup' was ridiculed left right and centre, this cup has just been marketed better and a better buy in for some reason.
Quote from: Rudi on May 22, 2023, 10:32:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82VswJAC9sQ&pp=ygUUZG9uYWwgb2cgc3VuZGF5IGdhbWU%3D
Deflection & Denial from Donal Og, pure clown.
All looks a little scripted. Donal Og has grabbed the attention he was seeking. RTE be it Rugby,Football or soccer had this gimmick with one lad in the studio to grab attention in Dunphy,Brolly and George Hook and it looks like they are doing the same with hurling now.
I'd have us as underdogs against Down based on the two games so far, Tipp and Waterford managed to get behind us and scored 1-25 altogether whereas Down conceded about half that. We're scoring at least with Lynch, Morris, Costello and Lenihan consistently on the scoresheet but defensively still too loose. I don't get the sense CO'R is going to suddenly tell lads to drop back.
An experimental Down team beat Offaly comfortably in Tullamore in the last round of d3 league games. Offaly still had a good chance of promotion going into the final fixture, so I'd presume they were at full strength.
I was genuinely suprised when they beat Meath in Leinster, because Offaly were very poor in our league fixture. I would make us slight favourites but at the same time Meath secured div 2 status and we failed to get out of div 3.
So Meath fans will have to make a mad dash from Parnell Park to Croker on the same day to see this Down game and the Christy Ring final. Suppose it could be worse but could move them to the same venue surely. Maybe just watch the Down game on GAAGO while sat in the Hogan instead
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/26/gaa-president-says-donal-og-cusacks-comments-on-the-tailteann-cup-werent-helpful/
In time, Dónal Óg Cusack might eventually be namechecked as the GAA's foremost Tailteann Cup promotional campaigner – an inadvertent one-man marketing band for also-rans.
The former Cork hurling goalkeeper has come in for criticism because of his recent comments on the second-tier football championship, but his pronouncements have helped generate a level of unexpected commotion around the competition that would get PR companies weak at the knees.
GAA president Larry McCarthy has now poured fresh fuel on the fire, acknowledging Cusack's disparaging remarks hadn't gone unnoticed in Croke Park.
"They weren't helpful," said McCarthy. "We obviously have a very successful tiered system in hurling, and to make comments like that about the tiered system we have introduced in football was just simply unhelpful."
Down:
Niall Kane;
Anthony Doherty,
Pierce Laverty,
Patrick McCarthy;
Danny Magill,
Daniel Guinness,
Ceilum Doherty;
Patrick Branagan,
Odhran Murdock;
Shealan Johnston,
Donach McAleenan,
Liam Kerr;
Ryan Johnston,
Pat Havern,
Eugene Branagan.
Subs: John O'Hare, Miceal Rooney, Conor Francis, Ryan McEvoy, Gerard Collins, Ross Carr, Finn McElroy, Conor Fitzpatrick, Shane Annett, Eamon Brown, Ruairi O Hare
Meath:
Seán Brennan;
Adam O'Neill,
Ronan Ryan,
Harry O'Higgins;
Donal Keogan,
Padraic Harnan,
Seán Coffey;
Ronan Jones,
Conor Gray;
Daithí McGowan,
James McEntee,
Jack O'Connor;
Jordan Morris,
Mathew Costello,
Aaron Lynch.
Subs: Harry Hogan, Ciarán Caulfield, Cillian O'Sullivan, Cathal Hickey, Jack Flynn, Eoghan Frayne, Ben Wyer, Donal Lenihan, Diarmuid Moriarty, John O'Regan, Keith Curtis
The Tailteann Cup Preliminary Quarter-Final Draw will take place as part of Sunday Sport on RTÉ Radio 1 shortly after 5.30pm on Sunday evening.
Preview of the Tailteann Cup Round 3 games this weekend.
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/preview-tailteann-cup-round-3/
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 02, 2023, 04:26:38 PM
The Tailteann Cup Preliminary Quarter-Final Draw will take place as part of Sunday Sport on RTÉ Radio 1 shortly after 5.30pm on Sunday evening.
Preview of the Tailteann Cup Round 3 games this weekend.
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/preview-tailteann-cup-round-3/
New York will reenter the competition. It looks like the Down/Meath group will be the one unrepresented and replaced by NY.
Results in the 1pm games
Meath 1-11 Down 1-9
Tipp 0-17 Waterford 1-13
How bad are Laois? Or are London decent?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2023, 04:27:21 PM
How bad are Laois? Or are London decent?
A match today that Laois led 0-7 to no score. FT London 2-14 Laois 1-17 A Laois equaliser 4 minutes into added time.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2023, 04:27:21 PM
How bad are Laois? Or are London decent?
Laois are awful.
Offaly got a right batin too.
Time to amalgamate them!
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 02:39:55 PM
Results in the 1pm games
Meath 1-11 Down 1-9
Tipp 0-17 Waterford 1-13
17 wides for Down, some brutal shooting today. Tight match, Meath finished stronger.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 03, 2023, 04:54:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 02:39:55 PM
Results in the 1pm games
Meath 1-11 Down 1-9
Tipp 0-17 Waterford 1-13
17 wides for Down, some brutal shooting today. Tight match, Meath finished stronger.
U12s would've done better. Downs forwards are dreadful .
Tailteann Cup preliminary quarter-final draw
Offaly vs. Wexford
Fermanagh vs. Laois
Down vs. Longford
Carlow vs. New York
Fair play to Antrim
Fermanagh just can't stop conceding soft goals.
Been our issue all year and it's getting worse
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Tailteann Cup preliminary quarter-final draw
Offaly vs. Wexford
Fermanagh vs. Laois
Down vs. Longford
Carlow vs. New York
Those that topped the groups which possible teams will the play? Or is it redrawn?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2023, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Tailteann Cup preliminary quarter-final draw
Offaly vs. Wexford
Fermanagh vs. Laois
Down vs. Longford
Carlow vs. New York
Those that topped the groups which possible teams will the play? Or is it redrawn?
Another draw once those 4 games are played. New York takes Tipp place in the prem Quarter final,
In the preliminary quarter final you can't play a team you played before - is that the same case for the quarter final? Only one possibility in the preliminary quarter final but could be two in the quarter final - might get restrictive enough.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 04, 2023, 08:12:47 PM
In the preliminary quarter final you can't play a team you played before - is that the same case for the quarter final? Only one possibility in the preliminary quarter final but could be two in the quarter final - might get restrictive enough.
there was 2 in preliminary quarter final draw, Offaly couldn't play laois and Carlow couldn't have played Longford. Down were drew out to play New York but it had to be changed because the other teams left couldn't play each other
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 04, 2023, 08:12:47 PM
In the preliminary quarter final you can't play a team you played before - is that the same case for the quarter final? Only one possibility in the preliminary quarter final but could be two in the quarter final - might get restrictive enough.
Yes same for quarters I believe
Did anyone spot Antrim doing un-Antrim things today?
Longford have lost 3 Championship games this summer and get another crack at it next weekend.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 04, 2023, 11:34:00 PM
Did anyone spot Antrim doing un-Antrim things today?
Winning and attacking football?
Quote from: mad tan on June 05, 2023, 01:00:53 PM
Longford have lost 3 Championship games this summer and get another crack at it next weekend.
Separate competitions and the nature of the group format. Cream will always rise to the top in knock out football. Last year I watched Galway U17s losing three times yet they went on to win the All Ireland beating Mayo in the final who they had lost twice by a bit to spare in the Connacht championship.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 03, 2023, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 03, 2023, 04:54:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 02:39:55 PM
Results in the 1pm games
Meath 1-11 Down 1-9
Tipp 0-17 Waterford 1-13
17 wides for Down, some brutal shooting today. Tight match, Meath finished stronger.
U12s would've done better. Downs forwards are dreadful .
We showed better game management but definitely Down got through our defense quite easily. If we get a favourable draw we might go further but still think Cavan are ahead of us. Chances are we'll get Andy McEntee's Antrim and we get beat.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 04, 2023, 11:34:00 PM
Did anyone spot Antrim doing un-Antrim things today?
Andy's not fully appreciated as a manager. I'm not surprised to see them improving.
They have the four Tailteann Preliminary Quarter-Final clashing on Saturday with the four Minor All Ireland Quarter finals. How hard would it be to schedule half of the games on Sunday?
Are the first placed teams at home in the quarter finals?
Quote from: p3427977 on June 06, 2023, 06:52:32 PM
Are the first placed teams at home in the quarter finals?
Yes group winners have home advantage in the quarter finals.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 06, 2023, 04:47:55 PM
They have the four Tailteann Preliminary Quarter-Final clashing on Saturday with the four Minor All Ireland Quarter finals. How hard would it be to schedule half of the games on Sunday?
Attendances are dictating how this competition is being treated.
As expected it is not being given the exposure it requires to flourish and is all ready in serious difficulty
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/06/david-power-steps-down-as-tipperary-football-manager-for-now/
Good win for Wexford in O'Connor Park into the Quarter finals. Offlay 2-14 Wexford 1-22.
Half time in Cullen Park, could New York pull off their 2nd win this year? Carlow 0-6 New York 0-8. Not so, Carlow get the job done 2nd half 0-15 to 0-10.
Who brought the duck to Brewster Park?
That was dreadful from the Down keeper.
Laois with a good win against Fermanagh, unexpected result after the struggle Laois had with London last week. FT 1-11 to 1-9.
Half time Down 0-8 Longford 1-8. Down had a penalty saved just before the break.
That was absolutely awful stuff and we got exactly what we deserved.
Fair play to Laois
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 10, 2023, 07:30:12 PM
That was dreadful from the Down keeper.
il change that he is dreadful.laverty loyalty to him leaving serious questions.smyth and o hare are both far superior keepers
45 mins played sides are level Down 1-10 Longford 1-10
Pairc Esler pitch looks more like a beach than the marshes
Any inter county grounds use sprinklers?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 10, 2023, 07:36:08 PM
Laois with a good win against Fermanagh, unexpected result after the struggle Laois had with London last week. FT 1-11 to 1-9.
Half time Down 0-8 Longford 1-8. Down had a penalty saved just before the break.
I expected more from Fermanagh. Laois are D4 and Fermanagh were promoted from D3
Down pulling away now
4 points for Longford in the second half.
Once the Down goal went in there was only going to be one result.
Longford challenge fades in the 2nd half. FT Down 1-20 Longford 1-12
Monday's quarter draw shall be subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the group stage.
Pot 1 - Meath,Cavan,Antrim,Limerick
Pot 2 - Carlow,Laois,Wexford,Down
Not surprised at all Laois beat Fermanagh, always football in them, Armagh's eternal bogey team.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 10, 2023, 08:37:36 PM
Longford challenge fades in the 2nd half. FT Down 1-20 Longford 1-12
Monday's quarter draw shall be subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the group stage.
Pot 1 - Meath,Cavan,Antrim,Limerick
Pot 2 - Carlow,Laois,Wexford,Down
What ties can't there be?
Antrim v Wexford... Carlow v limerick... down v Meath... Laois v Cavan?
For the best teams it'll be best to play the strongest in pot 2 as it's a home game...
Quote from: bennydorano on June 10, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
Not surprised at all Laois beat Fermanagh, always football in them, Armagh's eternal bogey team.
A couple of counties like Wexford and Laois are putting in a better shift in the cup than in the league.
And Wexford have been known to annoy us too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2023, 09:06:21 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 10, 2023, 08:37:36 PM
Longford challenge fades in the 2nd half. FT Down 1-20 Longford 1-12
Monday's quarter draw shall be subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the group stage.
Pot 1 - Meath,Cavan,Antrim,Limerick
Pot 2 - Carlow,Laois,Wexford,Down
What ties can't there be?
Antrim v Wexford... Carlow v limerick... down v Meath... Laois v Cavan?
For the best teams it'll be best to play the strongest in pot 2 as it's a home game...
Yes those 4 games can't be Quarter finals :
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 10, 2023, 08:37:36 PM
Longford challenge fades in the 2nd half. FT Down 1-20 Longford 1-12
Monday's quarter draw shall be subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the group stage.
Pot 1 - Meath,Cavan,Antrim,Limerick
Pot 2 - Carlow,Laois,Wexford,Down
A lot of change from last year
Sligo Leitrim Fermanagh
Cavan Offaly NY Westmeath
Carlow
Cavan v Down
Limerick v Laois
Antrim v Carlow
Meath v Wexford
Can see 4 home wins in this although Down and Laois might have the best chances of causing an upset. If the draw works out I'd expect a Cavan v Meath final.
Cavan big favourites I'd have thought
Downs 17 wides against Meath may have cost them dearly.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 12, 2023, 12:18:54 PM
Downs 17 wides against Meath may have cost them dearly.
Not sure about that.
If the season's objective was to last as long as possible in the competition, perhaps. But if the objective is to actually win the trophy, then at some time Down are going to have to face off against the best side(s) in the competition. And given the smaller crowds, reduced pressure, and the occasionally questionable desire of many players to win Tailteann until it's very close, I'd say Down are more likely to topple Cavan in a quarter final, than later in the comp.
If the Down that we played in Newry on Sat night turn up in Breffni then they'll be beat out the game.
All home wins for me.
Down, Antrim, Meath, Limerick.
Will the Semi finals be in Croke Park as they were last year?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2023, 02:03:52 PM
Will the Semi finals be in Croke Park as they were last year?
Don't think so. The plan always was to have the semis there first year, and only the final there the years after. Saying that, if there is a semi final pairing that ties in nicely with a Sam preliminary quarter final or outright quarter final (4 teams from similar areas, teams who'd would fill the place up nicely) then you'd never know.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 12, 2023, 01:11:01 PM
If the Down that we played in Newry on Sat night turn up in Breffni then they'll be beat out the game.
All home wins for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1gYJDQXPOk
Dates and throw in times confirmed
Saturday June 17
Limerick v Laois, Gaelic Grounds, 3pm, GAAGO
Meath v Wexford, Páirc Tailteann, 4pm
Cavan v Down, Breffni Park, 5.15pm, GAAGO
Sunday June 18
Antrim v Carlow, Corrigan Park, 1pm
Breffni Park busy this weekend, as will be Cavan town.
We seem to have a settled starting 15 now. Still very young and light on senior experience. While it's probably expected that we would get this far we haven't blown teams away which would suggest we're not above playing in the TC. Hopefully we don't get too comfortable here and start making moves up the table and permanently in Sam Maguire.
Hopefully a decent crowd shows up tomorrow.
Previews with line ups.
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/preview-tailteann-cup-quarter-finals/
A real battle between the fallen aristocrats of Ulster football in prospect.
(https://i.ibb.co/kxGhss9/aristocrats.jpg).
Quote from: thejuice on June 16, 2023, 10:40:20 PM
We seem to have a settled starting 15 now. Still very young and light on senior experience. While it's probably expected that we would get this far we haven't blown teams away which would suggest we're not above playing in the TC. Hopefully we don't get too comfortable here and start making moves up the table and permanently in Sam Maguire.
Hopefully a decent crowd shows up tomorrow.
Meath were only in the TC because Clare got to the Munster final. Unless you get relegated next year you should be in the Sam Maguire.
Half time in the first of the 4 Quarter finals.
Limerick 0-10 Laois 0-9. Laois goalkeeper Killian Roche made three point blank saves in that half.
Meath 0-04
Wexford 0-00
10 mins
Meath 1-09
Wexford 0-01
19 mins
Jaysus Limerick!!! What a collapse
Result Limerick 0-14 Laois 1-14. Limerick led 0-14 to 0-10 with 15 mins to play.
Meath 1-12
Wexford 0-03
Half time
At this stage in mid June whatever happened in the provincials is irrelevant.
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 05:27:30 PM
At this stage in mid June whatever happened in the provincials is irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant if ya won it though
Result Meath 2-23 Wexford 0-12
Half time in Breffni Park Cavan 0-7 Down 0-9
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2023, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 05:27:30 PM
At this stage in mid June whatever happened in the provincials is irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant if ya won it though
In the fuball it is if you come second in your group and have to do the preliminary QF and 3 weeks in a row if you win it.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 17, 2023, 12:42:58 AM
A real battle between the fallen aristocrats of Ulster football in prospect.
(https://i.ibb.co/kxGhss9/aristocrats.jpg).
Cavan handed Ulster over to Down in 1959
52 mins played Cavan 0-11 Down 0-13
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 17, 2023, 06:28:25 PM
52 mins played Cavan 0-11 Down 0-13
Monaghan, another favourite, also behind
2 points in it again
Cavan 13 Down 15
A goal for Down, Cavan follow it up with a tap over free. Added time to play Cavan 0-15 Down 1-15
Goal by Down .Fag end of the match. What a statement.
2nd year in a row the Tailteann cup favourites don't win the competition. Full time Cavan 0-15 Down 1-17
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 17, 2023, 06:49:42 PM
2nd year in a row the Tailteann cup favourites don't win the competition. Full time Cavan 0-15 Down 1-17
Cavan may not be playing in the competition next year.
Can Meath meet Down in the semi as they have already played each other in their group ?
Quote from: Laoiseabu on June 17, 2023, 07:01:39 PM
Can Meath meet Down in the semi as they have already played each other in their group ?
yes. open draw from here
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 17, 2023, 06:49:42 PM
2nd year in a row the Tailteann cup favourites don't win the competition. Full time Cavan 0-15 Down 1-17
Cavan may not be playing in the competition next year.
Cavan's league form the last number of years has been either promotion or relegation. Doubtful they'll finish in the top two in Div 2.
Quote from: Nanderson on June 17, 2023, 07:02:22 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on June 17, 2023, 07:01:39 PM
Can Meath meet Down in the semi as they have already played each other in their group ?
yes. open draw from here
Pretty sure RTÉ said different this morning. They said a draw may not be required for the semis if results go a certain way. Of course not always a reliable source !
Quote from: Hound on June 17, 2023, 07:04:29 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 17, 2023, 07:02:22 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on June 17, 2023, 07:01:39 PM
Can Meath meet Down in the semi as they have already played each other in their group ?
yes. open draw from here
Pretty sure RTÉ said different this morning. They said a draw may not be required for the semis if results go a certain way. Of course not always a reliable source !
At the quarter-final stage the four group winners will meet the preliminary quarter-final victors, subject to the avoidance of repeat provincial final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round One. Thats from GAA website. Nothing of note about semi final.
However balls.ie said
In the preliminary quarter-finals, which will be played on June 10/11, the second placed teams in each group will be drawn to face the best third-placed teams, along with New York (providing they do not each the Connacht final and so play for Sam Maguire). The second-placed teams will have home advantage, and ties - as will be the case for the quarter-finals and semi-finals - are subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the group stage.
Mod has it all written out for ye on page 1.
Some bad pupils here!
So we can't meet Down. Probably be all Ulster and all Leinster pairings assuming Antrim win.
Theoretically three teams from one group could have been in semi finals. I thought because of that the semi final was open draw?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 17, 2023, 08:22:41 PM
Theoretically three teams from one group could have been in semi finals. I thought because of that the semi final was open draw?
That's one potential scenario amongst others so it would be unlikely to decide the semi format. They might have a special arrangement if the scenario did materialise.
Pour auld Cavan. Will they ever manage to win the Bibi Baskin at this rate?
Great win for Down
Antrim by 4 after 60 minutes
Only had 3000 at Pairc Tailteann yesterday. Wonder will we bring much of a crowd to the semi final. It would be a shame if we don't.
20 euro is way too steep for this competition. The gaa robbing people
Quote from: snoopdog on June 18, 2023, 07:01:38 PM
20 euro is way too steep for this competition. The gaa robbing people
double header next week in croke park they'll probably think it's good idea to charge 30 euro or more for a ticket. The people setting the prices never pay into a match, so out of touch.
Semi final draw
Meath v Antrim
Down v Laois
Meath Down final for me.
Think it'll break 10,000 for the semi-final double header. There was 16,000 odd at last year's semi-finals.
It's hard to see anything but a Meath v Down final and a repeat of the earlier group fixture.
Sunday June 25
Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals
Antrim v Meath, Croke Park, 2pm, RTE 2
Down v Laois, Croke Park, 4pm, RTE 2
I hope Antrim football fans sat navs are working well, I bet many wouldn't know the way to Croke Park.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 19, 2023, 03:59:06 PM
Sunday June 25
Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals
Antrim v Meath, Croke Park, 2pm, RTE 2
Down v Laois, Croke Park, 4pm, RTE 2
let's promote the Tailteann cup by putting probably the biggest game of the weekend on live tv bang in the middle of the 2 games, Mayo v Galway on rte1 at 3pm
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 19, 2023, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 19, 2023, 03:59:06 PM
Sunday June 25
Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals
Antrim v Meath, Croke Park, 2pm, RTE 2
Down v Laois, Croke Park, 4pm, RTE 2
let's promote the Tailteann cup by putting probably the biggest game of the weekend on live tv bang in the middle of the 2 games, Mayo v Galway on rte1 at 3pm
Very poor by HQ but they rarely use their common sense.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 19, 2023, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 19, 2023, 03:59:06 PM
Sunday June 25
Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals
Antrim v Meath, Croke Park, 2pm, RTE 2
Down v Laois, Croke Park, 4pm, RTE 2
let's promote the Tailteann cup by putting probably the biggest game of the weekend on live tv bang in the middle of the 2 games, Mayo v Galway on rte1 at 3pm
Why would this surprise anyone ?
This is going the exact same way as the hurling .
Guaranteed in another year or so there will be a push for three tiers.
They just want this played and out of the way in as quick a time as possible.
Quote from: FermGael on June 19, 2023, 05:45:40 PM
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 19, 2023, 03:59:06 PM
Sunday June 25
Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals
Antrim v Meath, Croke Park, 2pm, RTE 2
Down v Laois, Croke Park, 4pm, RTE 2
let's promote the Tailteann cup by putting probably the biggest game of the weekend on live tv bang in the middle of the 2 games, Mayo v Galway on rte1 at 3pm
Why would this surprise anyone ?
This is going the exact same way as the hurling .
Guaranteed in another year or so there will be a push for three tiers.
They just want this played and out of the way in as quick a time as possible.
The GAA don't give a shit about the this comp. It's disgraceful thst they have done this. Rte have a part in it also. No one is going to watch either game when Galway v Mayo is on.
Supporters at the game in Croke won't give a stuff who's playing on RTE, same as supporters at other games around the country that happen to be on at the same time.
At this time of the year, the business end of the year, it's impossible to suit everyone
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 08:17:47 PM
Supporters at the game in Croke won't give a stuff who's playing on RTE, same as supporters at other games around the country that happen to be on at the same time.
At this time of the year, the business end of the year, it's impossible to suit everyone
I agree completely Milltown but how hard is it to schedule games so that they don't clash .
Shows where the priorities are and how they were going to push the competition, market it properly ,etc was just a load of dung
The seasons are getting tighter, could be even more tighter if I had my way (lost county players for clubs all season) there's just no room in the calendar to allow everyone to see everything.
The sport is saturated with tv coverage now, the counties have an opportunity to play at Croke and if the finalists serve up a game like last years final then it's a win win, Westmeath are testament to the possibility of improving. Had he knocked over that last free to win it, it would have been some journey from that final
Quote from: FermGael on June 19, 2023, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 19, 2023, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 19, 2023, 03:59:06 PM
Sunday June 25
Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals
Antrim v Meath, Croke Park, 2pm, RTE 2
Down v Laois, Croke Park, 4pm, RTE 2
let's promote the Tailteann cup by putting probably the biggest game of the weekend on live tv bang in the middle of the 2 games, Mayo v Galway on rte1 at 3pm
Why would this surprise anyone ?
This is going the exact same way as the hurling .
Guaranteed in another year or so there will be a push for three tiers.
They just want this played and out of the way in as quick a time as possible.
Yeah id imagine that s the next move
They might keep Sam for 16 teams , as that's the cash cow , and the more games the better for that. Others will probably be 8 and 9 teams. Maybe The Muggsy Cup for tier 2 and the Billy Sheehan cup for tier 3 , obviously, as that's Laois 's level
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 19, 2023, 08:55:28 PM
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 19, 2023, 03:59:06 PM
Sunday June 25
Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals
Antrim v Meath, Croke Park, 2pm, RTE 2
Down v Laois, Croke Park, 4pm, RTE 2
let's promote the Tailteann cup by putting probably the biggest game of the weekend on live tv bang in the middle of the 2 games, Mayo v Galway on rte1 at 3pm
Why would this surprise anyone ?
This is going the exact same way as the hurling .
Guaranteed in another year or so there will be a push for three tiers.
They just want this played and out of the way in as quick a time as possible.
Yeah id imagine that s the next move
They might keep Sam for 16 teams , as that's the cash cow , and the more games the better for that. Others will probably be 8 and 9 teams. Maybe The Muggsy Cup for tier 2 and the Billy Sheehan cup for tier 3 , obviously, as that's Laois 's level
And that's fine, Antrim or Down won't be winning Sam, but if they win one tier move up, improve then progress further then you earn the right to play at the top table rather than what Dublin and Kerry did at the weekend
You can argue about Sligo and provincial finalists maybe shouldn't be in there but Louth earned their place there. There's not sixteen potential Sam winners so there will be some wallopings. Yeah I could see a push for three tiers too but the tailteann cup has been reasonably balanced without many big hammerings apart from the odd one.
Quote from: FermGael on June 19, 2023, 08:35:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 08:17:47 PM
Supporters at the game in Croke won't give a stuff who's playing on RTE, same as supporters at other games around the country that happen to be on at the same time.
At this time of the year, the business end of the year, it's impossible to suit everyone
I agree completely Milltown but how hard is it to schedule games so that they don't clash .
Shows where the priorities are and how they were going to push the competition, market it properly ,etc was just a load of dung
Just the sheer volume of games in both hurling and football this week means clashes are unavoidable. I don't think it's fair on the neutral supporter to miss out on Mayo v Galway because Down are playing Laois. If Cavan had beat us last week, I would rather watch mayo v galway rather than cavan v laois.
The counties have full fixtures out most Sundays also, anyone involved with club games also miss out, that's why you record them or listen to it on the radio to and from games.
Your head won't fall off if you miss a game or have to watch the highlights
I'd have a game to ref, two cracking games on tv so I record them. Turn off my phone go home and watch them 'live' lol
Works for me!
Heading down to Croke Park from the North on Sunday. Was wondering about preferred parking options? First time there since Clonliffe College closed and ALWAYS used it over the years , with Tyrone. Any official or best choice alternative for the nordies now? Have also parked in the area of the old Regency Hotel in the past , and Skylon once or twice. TIA! I know it'll hardly be jam packed on Sunday at the same time, but still . ::)
Wonder what sort of crowd will be there. Don't expect huge numbers from Meath unless we get to the final and even then won't be anything like the 2000's.
Quote from: thejuice on June 25, 2023, 11:14:01 AM
Wonder what sort of crowd will be there. Don't expect huge numbers from Meath unless we get to the final and even then won't be anything like the 2000's.
The rain won't put people off, tickets bought well in advance and all teams, bar Meath don't get too many run outs at headquarters these days so certainly it could increase the support.
Good game so far
Harsh penalty against Meath I thought, forward was looking for it and ball already played
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 02:26:45 PM
Harsh penalty against Meath I thought, forward was looking for it and ball already played
The free was for after the shot I think, personally thought it was square ball, would need to see it again.
If the ref was calling for the 'first' free it would have been a black card
Half time Antrim 1-7 Meath 1-6
Actually thought it refreshing a ref actually implementing the rules, so what if ball was already played? It's still a foul! Also blew up a player for off the ground, another one that is applied inconsistently. Enjoyable game so far, Antrim probably should be further ahead
Watched a bit of the 2nd half, the amount of mistakes both teams were continually making was criminal. Helter-skelter and entertaining but poor quality.
Decent game that, though Antrim made a few basic errors near the end which cost them.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 25, 2023, 03:41:52 PM
Watched a bit of the 2nd half, the amount of mistakes both teams were continually making was criminal. Helter-skelter and entertaining but poor quality.
Dunno about you but I would rather helter skelter entertainment than some of the muck the 'big boys' give us.
Good game, great comeback by Antrim, a bit unlucky at the end, hope they can build on this
Came through it with just on the likes of Morris and Lynch but far from clinical display. Just glad we didn't lose our composure completely when Antrim came back. Never want to see a short kick out again
Laois wide open here, not sure of who they should be picking up, that last goal was horrendous to concede
Massive gulf in this match, Laois very poor.
It is Div 2 vs Div 4 but even still thought Laois would be better.
Down players look embarrassed
Quote from: jcpen on June 25, 2023, 04:12:53 PM
Massive gulf in this match, Laois very poor.
It is Div 2 vs Div 4 but even still thought Laois would be better.
Div 3 vs div 4. And will be in same league next year
Laois no full bck line, only turned over for a quick look there.
Down eating them here, could be 20pts in it if Down don't slack up.
Down really should have got promoted to Division 2. No real surprises in this Tailteann. Down Meath and Cavan were the best teams in it, Down knocked out Cavan , Down will beat Meath in final I reckon although it will be tighter than this.
League tables doesn't lie really.
Need look at a 3rd Tier competition, this game could sink this cup in only it's 2nd year.
Laois do not even have a sheet defence, never mind a blanket defence. It isn't so long since they were hard to beat.
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:13:03 PM
Down really should have got promoted to Division 2. No real surprises in this Tailteann. Down Meath and Cavan were the best teams in it, Down knocked out Cavan , Down will beat Meath in final I reckon although it will be tighter than this.
League tables doesn't lie really.
Are Down above Meath in the league table?
Such a hammering doesn't do much for the competition. It definitely hasn't went as well as last year. It's usually only those from bigger counties that say that as the want the smaller counties out of the way. It's got barely any coverage even today as the Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy was so condensed.
It's not a competition I have much interest in. Even talking about the success of Westmeath, they will be in it again next year and Division 3 so have they really progressed that much.
In fairness to Down they are not taking their foot off the pedal
Has any team scored 8 in croke park?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2023, 05:15:01 PM
Laois do not even have a sheet defence, never mind a blanket defence. It isn't so long since they were hard to beat.
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:13:03 PM
Down really should have got promoted to Division 2. No real surprises in this Tailteann. Down Meath and Cavan were the best teams in it, Down knocked out Cavan , Down will beat Meath in final I reckon although it will be tighter than this.
League tables doesn't lie really.
Are Down above Meath in the league table?
No but they're not a massive amount between the teams.
I think the fact Antrim put Meath so tight and Down are obliterating Laois would lead most to favour Down in the final.
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:15:55 PM
Such a hammering doesn't do much for the competition. It definitely hasn't went as well as last year. It's usually only those from bigger counties that say that as the want the smaller counties out of the way. It's got barely any coverage even today as the Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy was so condensed.
It's not a competition I have much interest in. Even talking about the success of Westmeath, they will be in it again next year and Division 3 so have they really progressed that much.
Think the competition has produced one hammering though, Westmeath were a missed free from being in the pre quarterfinal games this weekend, if you think they haven't improved from last year I don't think you've watched them
Seagulls doing better marking than Laois.
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:18:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2023, 05:15:01 PM
Laois do not even have a sheet defence, never mind a blanket defence. It isn't so long since they were hard to beat.
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:13:03 PM
Down really should have got promoted to Division 2. No real surprises in this Tailteann. Down Meath and Cavan were the best teams in it, Down knocked out Cavan , Down will beat Meath in final I reckon although it will be tighter than this.
League tables doesn't lie really.
Are Down above Meath in the league table?
No but they're not a massive amount between the teams.
I think the fact Antrim put Meath so tight and Down are obliterating Laois would lead most to favour Down in the final.
Antrim should have beaten Down this year and Down got out of jail in the last seconds of that game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 05:16:24 PM
In fairness to Down they are not taking their foot off the pedal
You'd wonder is there a need for it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 05:19:30 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:15:55 PM
Such a hammering doesn't do much for the competition. It definitely hasn't went as well as last year. It's usually only those from bigger counties that say that as the want the smaller counties out of the way. It's got barely any coverage even today as the Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy was so condensed.
It's not a competition I have much interest in. Even talking about the success of Westmeath, they will be in it again next year and Division 3 so have they really progressed that much.
Think the competition has produced one hammering though, Westmeath were a missed free from being in the pre quarterfinal games this weekend, if you think they haven't improved from last year I don't think you've watched them
They performed well in the groups and still got eliminated 4th. They were fairly poor in Division 3 this year. They got eliminated in the Leinster championship by Louth.
Not sure they are much further on really.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:18:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2023, 05:15:01 PM
Laois do not even have a sheet defence, never mind a blanket defence. It isn't so long since they were hard to beat.
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:13:03 PM
Down really should have got promoted to Division 2. No real surprises in this Tailteann. Down Meath and Cavan were the best teams in it, Down knocked out Cavan , Down will beat Meath in final I reckon although it will be tighter than this.
League tables doesn't lie really.
Are Down above Meath in the league table?
No but they're not a massive amount between the teams.
I think the fact Antrim put Meath so tight and Down are obliterating Laois would lead most to favour Down in the final.
Antrim should have beaten Down this year and Down got out of jail in the last seconds of that game
Antrim are an improved side this year I don't deny that.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 05:20:45 PM
Antrim should have beaten Down this year and Down got out of jail in the last seconds of that game
I think both Antrim and Down have come on a lot since that. Could be an interesting Ulster Championship next year.
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:15:55 PM
Such a hammering doesn't do much for the competition. It definitely hasn't went as well as last year. It's usually only those from bigger counties that say that as the want the smaller counties out of the way. It's got barely any coverage even today as the Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy was so condensed.
It's not a competition I have much interest in. Even talking about the success of Westmeath, they will be in it again next year and Division 3 so have they really progressed that much.
Games like today dispel the theory that it's good for teams, what did either Laois or Down get out of today's game?
. As Laverty said after the game they would trade it all to be in the All-Ireland.
Quote from: Lazer on June 25, 2023, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 25, 2023, 05:15:55 PM
Such a hammering doesn't do much for the competition. It definitely hasn't went as well as last year. It's usually only those from bigger counties that say that as the want the smaller counties out of the way. It's got barely any coverage even today as the Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy was so condensed.
It's not a competition I have much interest in. Even talking about the success of Westmeath, they will be in it again next year and Division 3 so have they really progressed that much.
Games like today dispel the theory that it's good for teams, what did either Laois or Down get out of today's game?
. As Laverty said after the game they would trade it all to be in the All-Ireland.
You've got to earn the right to be in it, Down put out of Ulster and in Div3, that's their level, you can't just 'arrive' or be at that level when hammering a poorly set up Laois team
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 06:43:02 PM
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Such a hammering doesn't do much for the competition. It definitely hasn't went as well as last year. It's usually only those from bigger counties that say that as the want the smaller counties out of the way. It's got barely any coverage even today as the Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy was so condensed.
It's not a competition I have much interest in. Even talking about the success of Westmeath, they will be in it again next year and Division 3 so have they really progressed that much.
Games like today dispel the theory that it's good for teams, what did either Laois or Down get out of today's game?
. As Laverty said after the game they would trade it all to be in the All-Ireland.
You've got to earn the right to be in it, Down put out of Ulster and in Div3, that's their level, you can't just 'arrive' or be at that level when hammering a poorly set up Laois team
100% right. They had 2 options to qualify and weren't able to take them!
I think there should be 3 competitions in football. Graded like the hurling. Allows for progression.
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:32:32 PM
I think there should be 3 competitions in football. Graded like the hurling. Allows for progression.
Also regression, which is one of the reasons why (in football) there is resistance
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Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:32:32 PM
I think there should be 3 competitions in football. Graded like the hurling. Allows for progression.
Also regression, which is one of the reasons why (in football) there is resistance
Laois have regressed.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:32:32 PM
I think there should be 3 competitions in football. Graded like the hurling. Allows for progression.
Also regression, which is one of the reasons why (in football) there is resistance
That's the arrogance of football unfortunately.
Needs to be done as there's a group of teams at the lower level who are very poor indeed.
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:32:32 PM
I think there should be 3 competitions in football. Graded like the hurling. Allows for progression.
Also regression, which is one of the reasons why (in football) there is resistance
That's the arrogance of football unfortunately.
Needs to be done as there's a group of teams at the lower level who are very poor indeed.
There is a lot more arrogance in Hurling with it's multi-tiers.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2023, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:32:32 PM
I think there should be 3 competitions in football. Graded like the hurling. Allows for progression.
Also regression, which is one of the reasons why (in football) there is resistance
That's the arrogance of football unfortunately.
Needs to be done as there's a group of teams at the lower level who are very poor indeed.
There is a lot more arrogance in Hurling with it's multi-tiers.
It's simple. In hurling counties realise that competing in levels above your station will result in some serious hammerings. That's why they have accepted the tiered system, so only by moving up through the grades can only prepare you for that step up.
Yes there is arrogance from the aristocracy of hurling, no different to the football snobs though.
The reality is this, you have to earn the right, and in football and hurling you're given two options/opportunities to sit at the top table. Through the league and through your championships.
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:32:32 PM
I think there should be 3 competitions in football. Graded like the hurling. Allows for progression.
Also regression, which is one of the reasons why (in football) there is resistance
That's the arrogance of football unfortunately.
Needs to be done as there's a group of teams at the lower level who are very poor indeed.
And what grade do you reckon Laois should go into when you consider they reached the last 4 of this competition. Hammerings happen no amount of tiers will change that as been seen in hurling.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2023, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:46:39 PM
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Quote from: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 08:32:32 PM
I think there should be 3 competitions in football. Graded like the hurling. Allows for progression.
Also regression, which is one of the reasons why (in football) there is resistance
That's the arrogance of football unfortunately.
Needs to be done as there's a group of teams at the lower level who are very poor indeed.
There is a lot more arrogance in Hurling with it's multi-tiers.
No, hurling people understand and appreciate that they needed various levels.
Football people are too arrogant. Think they all should be in the Sam Maguire by right.
Look at Laois today, beat out the gate. Various other teams the same. Think they should be in the top tier.
Don't think there's any need for an extra tier in football in all honesty. The gaps in hurling are much more vast, it's easier for a traditionally weak county like Louth to push for Div1 football and Sam Maguire than it is for say a middle tier hiring county Kerry to push for Div1 & Liam MacCarthy. Creating another tier in football is just creating another barrier to progression
Quote from: general_lee on June 25, 2023, 09:19:54 PM
Don't think there's any need for an extra tier in football in all honesty. The gaps in hurling are much more vast, it's easier for a traditionally weak county like Louth to push for Div1 football and Sam Maguire than it is for say a middle tier hiring county Kerry to push for Div1 & Liam MacCarthy. Creating another tier in football is just creating another barrier to progression
So you feel Louth will win Sam or could win Sam in your life time?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 25, 2023, 09:19:54 PM
Don't think there's any need for an extra tier in football in all honesty. The gaps in hurling are much more vast, it's easier for a traditionally weak county like Louth to push for Div1 football and Sam Maguire than it is for say a middle tier hiring county Kerry to push for Div1 & Liam MacCarthy. Creating another tier in football is just creating another barrier to progression
So you feel Louth will win Sam or could win Sam in your life time?
The question is could Laois win the Tailteann Cup in your life time? And I think they could.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2023, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 25, 2023, 09:19:54 PM
Don't think there's any need for an extra tier in football in all honesty. The gaps in hurling are much more vast, it's easier for a traditionally weak county like Louth to push for Div1 football and Sam Maguire than it is for say a middle tier hiring county Kerry to push for Div1 & Liam MacCarthy. Creating another tier in football is just creating another barrier to progression
So you feel Louth will win Sam or could win Sam in your life time?
The question is could Laois win the Tailteann Cup in your kife time? And I think they could.
They might never have to if they reach div2 and by then they've at least got themselves to a level worth considering, until then you have to earn it
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Quote from: general_lee on June 25, 2023, 09:19:54 PM
Don't think there's any need for an extra tier in football in all honesty. The gaps in hurling are much more vast, it's easier for a traditionally weak county like Louth to push for Div1 football and Sam Maguire than it is for say a middle tier hiring county Kerry to push for Div1 & Liam MacCarthy. Creating another tier in football is just creating another barrier to progression
So you feel Louth will win Sam or could win Sam in your life time?
Yes that is clearly what I'm saying here.
Louth were Division 4 two years ago. They were on the cusp of Division 1 this year. Neither you nor I will never see a hurling county do that.
Quote from: general_lee on June 25, 2023, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2023, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 25, 2023, 09:19:54 PM
Don't think there's any need for an extra tier in football in all honesty. The gaps in hurling are much more vast, it's easier for a traditionally weak county like Louth to push for Div1 football and Sam Maguire than it is for say a middle tier hiring county Kerry to push for Div1 & Liam MacCarthy. Creating another tier in football is just creating another barrier to progression
So you feel Louth will win Sam or could win Sam in your life time?
Yes that is clearly what I'm saying here.
Louth were Division 4 two years ago. They were on the cusp of Division 1 this year. Neither you nor I will never see a hurling county do that.
Westmeath Kerry Carlow have all played in the lower tiers and proved that you can actually move up.
But you're delusional to think Louth will be playing on the last day at Croke. You seen their game against Dublin?
Today's Down Vs Laois result was a bit of a freak. People reading too much into it. A terrible terrible day at the office got Laois, they aren't near as bad as they showed today.
2 tiers in the football I think is best, no need for a third tier
Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 25, 2023, 10:03:50 PM
Today's Down Vs Laois result was a bit of a freak. People reading too much into it. A terrible terrible day at the office got Laois, they aren't near as bad as they showed today.
2 tiers in the football I think is best, no need for a third tier
We couldn't get out of division 4 this year , we conceded 4-30 at home to Dublin (23 points down at halftime ) in the Leinster championship, we failed to win any of our group stage games in the Tailteann cup and only snook out of the group in 3rd spot after salvaging a late draw against London who should of beaten us . As I Laois man I can say that today was no freak result . We are in a REALLY REALLY bad place from top to bottom at the moment
But why are you there, I remember a Laois minor team make 3 All-Ireland finals late 90's been the basis of their senior team. Why have Laois fell so far away, what's happening in club fball, why has the minors dropped away. Is there no big financial backers in the county. That could bring in a good manager and winning mentality. I remember Laois putting Derry out 4/5yrs ago. Why did both teams go in the opposite direction.
Don't think we need a third tier just because Laois aren't pulling their weight at the minute. Don't know why this management team was kept in place. Things can improve for Laois quickly if the right people get stuck in.
If anything Down and probably Meath are showing that they shouldn't be in the TC in all honesty. Also bringing third placed teams out of the group have resulted in poor teams getting further than they should.
Freak results can happen and Longford have had many a pasting over the years.
Small county and limited resources etc etc
But Laois should not be in this position. Should be as good as Kildare and Westmeath.
Yesterday Laois were a disgrace. Longford went toe-to-toe with Down a few weeks ago in Newry and were there challenging until the last 10 mins.
The thing is though... Laois beat Limerick and Fermanagh in knockout games...
Would the same not have happened to them?
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2023, 06:29:08 AM
Don't think we need a third tier just because Laois aren't pulling their weight at the minute. Don't know why this management team was kept in place. Things can improve for Laois quickly if the right people get stuck in.
If anything Down and probably Meath are showing that they shouldn't be in the TC in all honesty. Also bringing third placed teams out of the group have resulted in poor teams getting further than they should.
Down are in the Tailteann because thsts where they deserve to be. We have struggled from one year to the next for nearly 30 years v
Bar 2010. We are still a work in progress and Meath will be a tough challenge in the final. Its only a few weeks ago that Armagh destroyed us in Clones. But the extra games have brought us on buy we aren't at a level yet to compete with any of those teams in the QF draw this morning.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2023, 09:51:23 AM
The thing is though... Laois beat Limerick and Fermanagh in knockout games...
Would the same not have happened to them?
I accept your point. Laois did beat both Fermanagh and Limerick. But how did they go from those 2 wins, which should have put wind in their sails, to what happened yesterday?
I don't understand to be honest.
Mental and/or physical tiredness of 4 games in a row??
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Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2023, 06:29:08 AM
Don't think we need a third tier just because Laois aren't pulling their weight at the minute. Don't know why this management team was kept in place. Things can improve for Laois quickly if the right people get stuck in.
If anything Down and probably Meath are showing that they shouldn't be in the TC in all honesty. Also bringing third placed teams out of the group have resulted in poor teams getting further than they should.
Down are in the Tailteann because thsts where they deserve to be. We have struggled from one year to the next for nearly 30 years v
Bar 2010. We are still a work in progress and Meath will be a tough challenge in the final. Its only a few weeks ago that Armagh destroyed us in Clones. But the extra games have brought us on buy we aren't at a level yet to compete with any of those teams in the QF draw this morning.
Have the extra games brought us on more than playing in the old style qualifiers though?
I personally belive that the two tiers seriously disadvantages the teams on the cusp of 2nd division level etc. The teams just above them get experience of playing at a higher level and that makes them better (even when they lose), the 2 tiers improves the quality of the football in the top tier but makes it harder for other teams to break into the top tier.
Down probably improved more from losing to Armagh than beating Laois.
The league is the competition for playing at your level, the all-Ireland is a knock out championship and shock results are part of that, the new system doesn't allow for that anymore.
Instead of playing around with the All-Ireland Structure, we should be expanding the League.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2023, 09:51:23 AM
The thing is though... Laois beat Limerick and Fermanagh in knockout games...
Would the same not have happened to them?
I accept your point. Laois did beat both Fermanagh and Limerick. But how did they go from those 2 wins, which should have put wind in their sails, to what happened yesterday?
I don't understand to be honest.
Neither do I. Would the same have happened anyone else? I guess we'll see how good Down are in the final. I do think they have an organisation and a setup now which is probably a level above most at that level. I think Meath maybe have enough raw talent but probably aren't that well setup either.
Before a ball was thrown in, people would of permed 2/3 from Cavan, Meath and Down to make the final depending on the draws. A number of games later that's what happened.
I think Croke Park probably suits Down, the one thing they have is a lot of runners and pace in their side. I know Meath beat them in the group stages but I think Down are capable of turning the tables in the final.
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on June 26, 2023, 12:18:02 PM
Before a ball was thrown in, people would of permed 2/3 from Cavan, Meath and Down to make the final depending on the draws. A number of games later that's what happened.
Agree there it was going to be one of them, and I knew Cavan weren't motoring well and were too short for it. In the end it was unlucky to draw Down in QF but it was going to happen eventually.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2023, 09:51:23 AM
The thing is though... Laois beat Limerick and Fermanagh in knockout games...
Would the same not have happened to them?
I don't know enough about Limerick but they were in Division 2 this year I think it would have been much tighter. I know there is not a hope Fermanagh would have been turned over like that.
I think a lot of counties are not at full tilt in this for various reasons. Supporters until the semi finals have had little interest, it filters through to players. It's more of a post season or pre season comp, than actual Championship intensity. I think Fermanagh and Offaly are better than they showed in this. Some counties were going through the motions.
Limerick lost their manager and definitely on a downward spiral. They should probably have beat Laois and got caught at the end but it was tight enough before that. Fermanagh would be unlikely to have shipped a beating like this.
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
Quote from: tintin25 on June 26, 2023, 12:56:28 PM
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.
Quote from: tintin25 on June 26, 2023, 12:56:28 PM
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
But getting promoted doesn't mean they'd be playing in all ireland series next year. Only way to guarantee it is to win tailteann cup
I think that the tailteann cup is a great tournament. I'd take winning it over promotion though would prefer both mind you.
There are teams who are just in a place where they won't be competing for provincial or AI honours. Cavan won ulster not that long ago so probably have aspirations of being competitive in sam though for whatever reason were way off this year. Fermanagh wouldn't be at that level. Tbh the two of them really seemed to drop off after the league - and that included in the provincial. Cavan dropped off the last few games too in the league.
GAA found the Laois FF worthy of a place in the Tailteann Team of the Week.
Perhaps should have worded my previous post differently. For likes of Fermanagh I just think the immediate aim should be to try and establish themselves as a top 16 team and obviously being in Division 2 is where you need to be - 7 competitive games that should bring players on no end. Being in Division 2 won't gaurantee promotion but your still getting good quality opposition to bring you on further. In an ideal world you'd get promotion and win the Tailteann but I think some teams are putting more effort into promotion and have feck all left in the tank come the Tailteann.
Quote from: tintin25 on June 26, 2023, 12:56:28 PM
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
You also get promoted to the All Ireland series should you win it too, the snobbery around football is crazy, people either living in a fantasy or living off past glories.
Progression through the leagues should be the other avenue to play with the big boys, until your county can achieve that then play the level you're at!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 26, 2023, 09:39:37 AM
Freak results can happen and Longford have had many a pasting over the years.
Small county and limited resources etc etc
But Laois should not be in this position. Should be as good as Kildare and Westmeath.
Yesterday Laois were a disgrace. Longford went toe-to-toe with Down a few weeks ago in Newry and were there challenging until the last 10 mins.
But why should we be as good as Kildare ? Kildares trajectory is a lot closer to Dublins level than Laois level . Kildare have a much higher ceiling than Laois .Kildare are a big predominantly footballing county on the outskirts of Dublin with over 3 times the population of county Laois . We here in Laois are a small county split 50/50 between both hurling and football . The county is split with the south and the west all hurling and the north and the east is all football . We then have Portlaoise right in the centre with almost 30,000 people ( which is one third of the entire population of county Laois ) . We have just ONE dual club in Portlaoise catering for the entire population of the town. Parts of the town have no exposure to Gaelic games at all . Interest in GAA in the town is at an all time low and Portlaoise are not winning anything at underage anymore in both football and hurling despite the massive pick they have compared to other Laois clubs . It's actually so laughable that there is only one club in Portlaoise and then there is two clubs in the village Arles. Underage football in Laois at the moment is mostly being dominated by Portarlington and two rural clubs called St Joseph's and Ballyroan Abbey
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2023, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on June 26, 2023, 12:56:28 PM
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.
No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either
The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.
The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.
The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.
Quote from: Lazer on June 26, 2023, 02:32:14 PM
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Quote from: tintin25 on June 26, 2023, 12:56:28 PM
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.
No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either
The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.
The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.
The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.
Total nonsense. They are playing to lift silverware in Croke Park in mid summer. By using that logic then the same applies to the winner of every junior and intermediate club championship up and down the country every season. If some of the 'top counties' don't want to be in it then by virtue of the fact that they aren't in the Sam Maguire, then they aren't actually a 'top county'. If they think they are too good for it then it boils down to having over inflated notions about themselves.
So why not just go back to the old way, provincial winners through to the semis and be done with this aul carry on of games that are fecking meaningless. People would have less to fork out every weekend and clubs will have their county players longer, the club games would have more bite to them and be better attended
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2023, 06:29:08 AM
Don't think we need a third tier just because Laois aren't pulling their weight at the minute. Don't know why this management team was kept in place. Things can improve for Laois quickly if the right people get stuck in.
If anything Down and probably Meath are showing that they shouldn't be in the TC in all honesty. Also bringing third placed teams out of the group have resulted in poor teams getting further than they should.
Down were on the ropes against longford in newry and if longford had taken their goal chances would probably be out. They will probably win the TC but before Laverty took the job any thoughts of them being in AI series would have been laughed at by the majority of their supporters. They would have been underdogs in last round and failed to get out of division 3 so they are at the right level for the moment. They have tradition and a group of players accustomed to winning at club level along with a good u20 team so should be competitive at higher level over next few years.
If Meath shouldn't be in it they'd have beat antrim well and they didn't. Down couldn't get promoted and should be in it too.
Down should push on with that management team. Meath have had enough underage that they should push on a bit but I am not convinced they have the right management to do that. They are probably in a get pride back in the jersey stage.
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Quote from: tintin25 on June 26, 2023, 12:56:28 PM
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.
No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either
The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.
The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.
The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.
Total nonsense. They are playing to lift silverware in Croke Park in mid summer. By using that logic then the same applies to the winner of every junior and intermediate club championship up and down the country every season. If some of the 'top counties' don't want to be in it then by virtue of the fact that they aren't in the Sam Maguire, then they aren't actually a 'top county'. If they think they are too good for it then it boils down to having over inflated notions about themselves.
Why don't you ask the players why they are playing it?
Down manager said after the game on Sunday that he would trade it to be in the All Ireland..they have no interest in the Tailteann.
They don't care about the silverware, they care about the guaranteed AI spot.
All the messing with structures has removed the excitement from the championship. It was great when an an underdog county could get an unexpected win and finish up in the semi final or whatever, it was exciting, every county played to the best of their ability in every game, anything was possible, it's not anymore with the tier 2, round Robins, super 8's or whatever else is dreamed up.
The league is for playing teams at your own level, the Cup is for knock out games and the chance to play (and maybe beat) teams far higher in the league than you.
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Quote from: tintin25 on June 26, 2023, 12:56:28 PM
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.
No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either
The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.
The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.
The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.
Total nonsense. They are playing to lift silverware in Croke Park in mid summer. By using that logic then the same applies to the winner of every junior and intermediate club championship up and down the country every season. If some of the 'top counties' don't want to be in it then by virtue of the fact that they aren't in the Sam Maguire, then they aren't actually a 'top county'. If they think they are too good for it then it boils down to having over inflated notions about themselves.
Why don't you ask the players why they are playing it?
Down manager said after the game on Sunday that he would trade it to be in the All Ireland..they have no interest in the Tailteann.
They don't care about the silverware, they care about the guaranteed AI spot.
All the messing with structures has removed the excitement from the championship. It was great when an an underdog county could get an unexpected win and finish up in the semi final or whatever, it was exciting, every county played to the best of their ability in every game, anything was possible, it's not anymore with the tier 2, round Robins, super 8's or whatever else is dreamed up.
The league is for playing teams at your own level, the Cup is for knock out games and the chance to play (and maybe beat) teams far higher in the league than you.
I didn't hear Lavertys interview but I've no doubt that some supporters within Down and Meath might have that attitude. But it's borne out of snobbishness and the idea that you think you are better than you actually are. However I don't believe for one second that any Down or Meath player will celebrate the success because of entry into a competition that they have little chance of winning next season over and above the actual trophy itself that they are just after winning.
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Quote from: tintin25 on June 26, 2023, 12:56:28 PM
To be honest I'd say if you asked Cavan and Fermanagh what they would prefer, promotion or Tailteann winners then they'd choose the former all day long.
Don't quite understand that logic at all. The chance of winning a national trophy in Croke Park in front of a big crowd during the summer on a big championship day with a guaranteed holiday. As opposed to getting promoted playing winter League football with no tangible success. Nobody will remember finishing 2nd in division 3 at the end of their career.
No-one is going to remember winning the Tailteann Cup either
The teams already have a chance at winning something at their level..the divisional national leave finals.
The problem with the Tailteann cup is that the teams at the top of it it don't want to be in it, and the teams at the bottom of it have no chance of winning it so ultimately no one is interested in it.
The only reason to win it is to guarantee a place in the AI next year, which the winning team will probably get via promotion the next year anyway.
Total nonsense. They are playing to lift silverware in Croke Park in mid summer. By using that logic then the same applies to the winner of every junior and intermediate club championship up and down the country every season. If some of the 'top counties' don't want to be in it then by virtue of the fact that they aren't in the Sam Maguire, then they aren't actually a 'top county'. If they think they are too good for it then it boils down to having over inflated notions about themselves.
Why don't you ask the players why they are playing it?
Down manager said after the game on Sunday that he would trade it to be in the All Ireland..they have no interest in the Tailteann.
They don't care about the silverware, they care about the guaranteed AI spot.
All the messing with structures has removed the excitement from the championship. It was great when an an underdog county could get an unexpected win and finish up in the semi final or whatever, it was exciting, every county played to the best of their ability in every game, anything was possible, it's not anymore with the tier 2, round Robins, super 8's or whatever else is dreamed up.
The league is for playing teams at your own level, the Cup is for knock out games and the chance to play (and maybe beat) teams far higher in the league than you.
My thoughts exactly
They could make the Tailteann Cup and the round robins a bit more interesting by having the finalists go back into the all ireland at preliminary QF stage (as the Joe McDonagh cup operates). Would mean that six rather than four get eliminated from the top 16 round robin putting a bit more jeopardy into that round of fixtures. I know the Joe McDonaghs finalists got pounded but Westmeath did well this year as a Tailteann graduate and I think Down and Meath are both coming teams.
They couldn't do it in time with the teams in their own provincial series I would have thought. No such problem for the hurling.
They would need to find two weeks - scraping the preliminary QF in Tailteann and just putting in top two gets you one.
Would that not turn the tailteaan cup basically into like the old backdoor qualifier system if the finalists get back into all ireland same year.Also could finalists platy less intense in the finals if both qualify for all ireland.
I honestly think it's fine the way it is.
+1.
As for the soccer bucks talking about "Cup" competitions...
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2023, 04:00:52 PM
+1.
As for the soccer bucks talking about "Cup" competitions...
Call it whatever you want, the league is the league. The other major competition (Sam Maguire, All-Ireland, cup or whatever, name doesnt matter) is the knockout - zero need for the round Robins and extra games.
If the winner of the Tailteann made it into the Sam Maguire in the same year it would definitely improve it though!
Have zero interest in soccer
90% of the GAA's Congress felt it heresies.
Both competitions have knock ou t phases for those who are addicted .
The craic of training for 9 months for 1 game is thankfully out the cwindow.
Tailteann winners get to play in Sam the following year.
That'll do them instead of being parachuted into the closing stages for a hammering the same year.
Down seniors haven't won a national title in 29 years. We will ve delighted to win it and use it as a stepping stone to hopefully start to be competitive against the div 1 and 2 counties.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2023, 05:04:26 PM
90% of the GAA's Congress felt it heresies.
Both competitions have knock ou t phases for those who are addicted .
The craic of training for 9 months for 1 game is thankfully out the cwindow.
Tailteann winners get to play in Sam the following year.
That'll do them instead of being parachuted into the closing stages for a hammering the same year.
Yeah and it's not like it did either Offaly or Tipperary any use in the hurling. Or Dublin for that matter.
what way do Meath ones see the final going?
I think it will be close but Down will do enough to overturn the defeat of the last day.
I'm a Down man living in Meath,and I sense the Meath supporters are confident of beating us. I think they put our last performance down to Laois being poor rather than Down being good.
Having said that I'm fairly confident we will win, I think Laverty has done an excellent job, I'd Like to see McEvoy start though, he has been very impressive all year.
It's a pity we didn't get out of div3 this year, I'd really like to see us tested against some of the stronger teams next season.
The pace throughout the Down team is unreal, and I think we have improved considerably since the Meath league game, though the Meath supporters feel they have improved too.
Let's hope tickets will be easy to come by. All depends on who is on the AI SF that day. Prob be 60 euro a ticket
Quote from: snoopdog on June 28, 2023, 04:33:50 PM
Let's hope tickets will be easy to come by. All depends on who is on the AI SF that day. Prob be 60 euro a ticket
Last year it was €50 for seats and €35 for Hill 16.
€50 for seats for this year's Hurley stuff semis.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 28, 2023, 04:33:50 PM
Let's hope tickets will be easy to come by. All depends on who is on the AI SF that day. Prob be 60 euro a ticket
it's £45 sitting, £30 for the hill
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 28, 2023, 05:23:04 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 28, 2023, 04:33:50 PM
Let's hope tickets will be easy to come by. All depends on who is on the AI SF that day. Prob be 60 euro a ticket
it's £45 sitting, £30 for the hill
Not worth it when the only match I'm interested is the Tailteann final.
Might go if Derry happen to being playing the semi on the same day (hubbie is from Derry) and I can get a hil ticket
Last of the diehard supporters ::)
Hard to know, we were much tighter defensively against Down last time out but Down looked more dangerous against Laois. How much was it Down improvement and Laois being bad, probably a bit of both. We were opened up by Antrim a good few times and we probably can't afford a slow start again.
We have some top forwards in Lynch, Morris and Costello. They'll keep us in the game but our backs remain porous and if there's any substance to Downs destruction of Laois then we're definitely underdogs. Our win against Wexford was facile as they were completely open and standing off us the whole game.
Any idea what time ticket sales go live?
Quote from: manwithnoplan on July 01, 2023, 12:15:39 PM
Any idea what time ticket sales go live?
probably Monday after this weekends games are played and it's decided who's playing in all Ireland semi on same day
Quote from: Lazer on June 28, 2023, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 28, 2023, 05:23:04 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 28, 2023, 04:33:50 PM
Let's hope tickets will be easy to come by. All depends on who is on the AI SF that day. Prob be 60 euro a ticket
it's £45 sitting, £30 for the hill
Not worth it when the only match I'm interested is the Tailteann final.
Might go if Derry happen to being playing the semi on the same day (hubbie is from Derry) and I can get a hil ticket
I've never taken kids to a semi final before but I'm sure they do u16 prices. ??
Quote from: snoopdog on July 01, 2023, 06:42:51 PM
Quote from: Lazer on June 28, 2023, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 28, 2023, 05:23:04 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 28, 2023, 04:33:50 PM
Let's hope tickets will be easy to come by. All depends on who is on the AI SF that day. Prob be 60 euro a ticket
it's £45 sitting, £30 for the hill
Not worth it when the only match I'm interested is the Tailteann final.
Might go if Derry happen to being playing the semi on the same day (hubbie is from Derry) and I can get a hil ticket
I've never taken kids to a semi final before but I'm sure they do u16 prices. ??
There were kids tickets for the Cusack and Canal End at last years semis
Funny how the "bigger counties" were so supportive of the Tailteann to stop the hammerings. And yet the Sam Maguire has teams being beaten out the gate.
The need a new tier, the Kerry and Dublin tier. The rest should be thrown into the Tailteann!
Quote from: full moon on July 03, 2023, 04:49:40 PM
Funny how the "bigger counties" were so supportive of the Tailteann to stop the hammerings. And yet the Sam Maguire has teams being beaten out the gate.
The need a new tier, the Kerry and Dublin tier. The rest should be thrown into the Tailteann!
Exactly . The beatings are only going to get bigger in the semis too
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2023, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 03, 2023, 04:49:40 PM
Funny how the "bigger counties" were so supportive of the Tailteann to stop the hammerings. And yet the Sam Maguire has teams being beaten out the gate.
The need a new tier, the Kerry and Dublin tier. The rest should be thrown into the Tailteann!
Exactly . The beatings are only going to get bigger in the semis too
Well it's a good thing that Armagh didn't make it based on that logic
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2023, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2023, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 03, 2023, 04:49:40 PM
Funny how the "bigger counties" were so supportive of the Tailteann to stop the hammerings. And yet the Sam Maguire has teams being beaten out the gate.
The need a new tier, the Kerry and Dublin tier. The rest should be thrown into the Tailteann!
Exactly . The beatings are only going to get bigger in the semis too
Well it's a good thing that Armagh didn't make it based on that logic
I think Armagh would probably have been well beaten by either Kerry or Dublin too
Thundery showers forecast for Saturday afternoon.
Down teams historically not great in the rain.
Quote from: bcarrier23 on July 12, 2023, 04:48:04 PM
Thundery showers forecast for Saturday afternoon.
Down teams historically not great in the rain.
That'll save the supporters a few quid on heading down!
Big dinner celebration in Canal Court on Saturday, hopefully its not a wake.
This will.be a tough game like the match in Parnell park a few weeks ago. Both teams will fancy their chances but I think down will relish another run out in croker and get the result this time.
A chance to avenge 91. Made me cry so ye did. :'(
Hopefully Colm O'Rourke puts himself on from the start and not wait till it's too late to kickstart the comeback
In my part of Meath not a single flag or banner out for the Taileann Cup final, you would not even know its on and the local club has a few lads on the team.
I fancy Down for this myself having seen both teams first hand earlier in the year.
Down have improved massively.
Meath may have improved from early league form, but I think Down might want this more.
Nally and some upper Davin on ticketmaster now
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Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on July 13, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
In my part of Meath not a single flag or banner out for the Taileann Cup final, you would not even know its on and the local club has a few lads on the team.
in south Down nearly all the towns and villages have flags and bunting out, lots of people travelling down and great to see so many young fans in the Down gear again, in the county there's a buzz for the match.
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 08:45:10 AM
Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.
what's an optional member of the TC? Could Meath have opted out and Down not?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2023, 11:13:42 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 08:45:10 AM
Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.
what's an optional member of the TC? Could Meath have opted out and Down not?
Meath are D2. They can win a few league matches and play SM next year. If they can't be arsed they can play TC. That's optional.
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2023, 11:13:42 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 08:45:10 AM
Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.
what's an optional member of the TC? Could Meath have opted out and Down not?
Meath are D2. They can win a few league matches and play SM next year. If they can't be arsed they can play TC. That's optional.
Are you trying to suggest that Meath 'opted' in to the TC this year????
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2023, 11:13:42 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 08:45:10 AM
Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.
what's an optional member of the TC? Could Meath have opted out and Down not?
Meath are D2. They can win a few league matches and play SM next year. If they can't be arsed they can play TC. That's optional.
It isn't an option if they are not good enough to win those few games whether they are arsed or not.
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on July 13, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
In my part of Meath not a single flag or banner out for the Taileann Cup final, you would not even know its on and the local club has a few lads on the team.
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Quote from: Cavan19 on July 14, 2023, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2023, 11:13:42 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 08:45:10 AM
Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.
what's an optional member of the TC? Could Meath have opted out and Down not?
Meath are D2. They can win a few league matches and play SM next year. If they can't be arsed they can play TC. That's optional.
It isn't an option if they are not good enough to win those few games whether they are arsed or not.
I think this year was an outlier. Also Meath should do better in D2 next year as a result of this TC.
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 14, 2023, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2023, 11:13:42 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 08:45:10 AM
Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.
what's an optional member of the TC? Could Meath have opted out and Down not?
Meath are D2. They can win a few league matches and play SM next year. If they can't be arsed they can play TC. That's optional.
It isn't an option if they are not good enough to win those few games whether they are arsed or not.
I think this year was an outlier. Also Meath should do better in D2 next year as a result of this TC.
Divison 2 should certainty be more competitive with the Dubs and Derry departing and replaced by Donegal and Kieran McGeeney's Armagh or just Armagh maybe.
is there flags out in down
Loads of flags up in Down, a lot of them have absolutely nothing to do with the Tailteann Cup!!
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0714/1394554-tailteann-cup-final-a-high-stakes-encounter-for-down/
Plenty of flags out in our village; little fish are sweet!
All Ireland Junior championship started tonight (Hands up how many people knew that)
Just 4 teams took park in a double header in Abbottstown
Kilkenny 1-13 London 0-15
Warwickshire 0-7 New York 1-7
Kilkenny v New York Final on Sunday in Croke Park before Derry v Kerry game.
Looks like Meath and Down fans have not bought into the Tailteann Cup.
It's on the wrong day. Loads of people looking for tickets. Croker is sold out. Should have been on before Kerry Derry
Quote from: thejuice on July 15, 2023, 03:09:12 PM
It's on the wrong day. Loads of people looking for tickets. Croker is sold out. Should have been on before Kerry Derry
Should but it'll be lovely for the Dubs to get a full house for their semi
Goal for Meath challenges Down notions.
Jammiest of jammy goals
One of the most fluke goals ever scored in Croke Park? 17 mins played Meath 1-1 Down 0-4
Quote from: thejuice on July 15, 2023, 03:09:12 PM
It's on the wrong day. Loads of people looking for tickets. Croker is sold out. Should have been on before Kerry Derry
Of course it should.
Way more logical
But then again remember some idiot holds sway over the fixture list
Using some illogical methodology
We're going well but need to make it count on the board.
Poor shooting by both teams but we're somewhat on top.
Poor to watch
I have it on mute
Who is wind favoring and is it that strong
Half time Meath 1-3 Down 0-6. Hopefully the quality of the match will improve 2nd half.
Not a great watch, conditions probably not helping. Down should probably have two goals.
Quote from: thejuice on July 15, 2023, 03:23:57 PM
We're going well but need to make it count on the board.
Down haven't been as flúirseach with the goals. Good Meath defence. HondaRyle
Quote from: joemamas on July 15, 2023, 03:35:28 PM
Poor to watch
I have it on mute
Who is wind favoring and is it that strong
Meath. But croker is notorious for a swirling breeze
It's poor, the second half couldn't be worse?
First 10 mins of the 2nd half already better than what was seen in the 1st half. Down 0-8 Meath 1-5
68 mins played Meath 1-12 Down 0-11.
The ref has made a plethora of poor decisions.
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 04:22:36 PM
The ref has made a plethora of poor decisions.
He's been a bit meh
That said Down very leggy and poor selection of passes and shots, poor handling also, conditions could make that but what a day to be piss poor...
I can't get over how bad Down have been, total no show here.
Surely we are at the stage we can yellow card a player and not have to take his name? Jot number down and flash yellow
Goal in the 5th minute of added time seals it for Meath. Not the highest quality of matches but Meath was the better team with their shot selections and decision making and defended better. Meath 2-13 Down 0-14
That Down number 13 Brannigan is a quare bad footballer! :)
How did he finish the game?
Deserved win for Meath. Down look really poor, handling awful, players stuck in mud, lacked passion.
An important win for Meath. Down can go back to D3 to reflect on a season with lots of positives.
Much better second half and shooting improved massively. Jack Flynn was some man in the second half.
List of Tailteann Cup Winners
2022 - Westmeath
2023 - Meath
2024 - East Meath/Louth ???
Quote from: thejuice on July 15, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
Much better second half and shooting improved massively. Jack Flynn was some man in the second half.
Is he Bernard's son?
Quote from: The PRO on July 15, 2023, 04:37:12 PM
That Down number 13 Brannigan is a quare bad footballer! :)
How did he finish the game?
Id say he'd have no bother roasting you though
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 04:22:36 PM
The ref has made a plethora of poor decisions.
Yeh, blame the ref.....
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 15, 2023, 04:39:39 PM
List of Tailteann Cup Winners
2022 - Westmeath
2023 - Meath
2024 - East Meath/Louth ???
Louth will be in the Sam Maguire next year.
Quote from: The PRO on July 15, 2023, 04:37:12 PM
That Down number 13 Brannigan is a quare bad footballer! :)
How did he finish the game?
You really think?
Anyone can have a bad day. I am quite sure he will recover and have much better days.
There won't be a cow milked ...
Meath well deserved winners and in truth should have won by a whole lot more. From a Down perspective very very disappointing for us.
Same old failings in midfield and being unable to compete at kickouts. Some poor decision making, some very loose passing and looked completely legless at the end.
At the same time its only Lavery's first season in charge. I've seen enough this year to be very pleased with their progress given the level we were at. Onwards and upwards . An Dún abú!
Both teams had a good Tailteann campaign. Some good players developed. The TC is a good reboot.
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2023, 05:10:21 PM
Both teams had a good Tailteann campaign. Some good players developed. The TC is a good reboot.
The reality for both these counties - is that the Tailteann Cup was not what this competition was envisaged for?
I don't know how much was learned by both really?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2023, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 15, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
Much better second half and shooting improved massively. Jack Flynn was some man in the second half.
Is he Bernard's son?
No relation. Harnan and the McEntees are the only "legacy" players on the team really. Maybe there's others.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2023, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2023, 05:10:21 PM
Both teams had a good Tailteann campaign. Some good players developed. The TC is a good reboot.
The reality for both these counties - is that the Tailteann Cup was not what this competition was envisaged for?
I don't know how much was learned by both really?
Kept the squad together a bit longer and gave lads a chance to earn their place but the two Down games and Antrim were the only games that gave us a real challenge.
Division 2 and Leinster next year will be a different reality.
Quote from: thejuice on July 15, 2023, 05:41:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2023, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2023, 05:10:21 PM
Both teams had a good Tailteann campaign. Some good players developed. The TC is a good reboot.
The reality for both these counties - is that the Tailteann Cup was not what this competition was envisaged for?
I don't know how much was learned by both really?
Winning trophies is very positive for teams
Kept the squad together a bit longer and gave lads a chance to earn their place but the two Down games and Antrim were the only games that gave us a real challenge.
Division 2 and Leinster next year will be a different reality.
Quote from: befair on July 15, 2023, 04:45:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 04:22:36 PM
The ref has made a plethora of poor decisions.
Yeh, blame the ref.....
Is that your mantra?
The majority of his poor decisions favoured Down.
Meath well worth their victory on the day, revenge for '91 - served ice cold.
Meath were the better team regardless of the freak 1st half goal. They scored some fantastic points to in the 2nd half. Well deserved. What was very noticeable of the 4 teams on show today Down seriously need a lot of S&C. Roll on Next season. Laverty is going in the right direction
l Congrats to Meath and Colm ORourke hope they go on to challenge for Leinster. The Dubs aren't the force they were. At various league final levels, ulster finals all Ireland final and today I count that today as the 10th Final in a row since 1994 that we have lost.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 15, 2023, 08:45:32 PM
Meath were the better team regardless of the freak 1st half goal. They scored some fantastic points to in the 2nd half. Well deserved. What was very noticeable of the 4 teams on show today Down seriously need a lot of S&C. Roll on Next season. Laverty is going in the right direction
l Congrats to Meath and Colm ORourke hope they go on to challenge for Leinster. The Dubs aren't the force they were. At various league final levels, ulster finals all Ireland final and today I count that today as the 10th Final in a row since 1994 that we have lost.
Down had a very steep fall but I wouldn't class today's loss with the others. This season was the start of the way back.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2023, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2023, 05:10:21 PM
Both teams had a good Tailteann campaign. Some good players developed. The TC is a good reboot.
The reality for both these counties - is that the Tailteann Cup was not what this competition was envisaged for?
I don't know how much was learned by both really?
What was it envisaged for instead? argument to be made that it should be left to Div 3 teams that don't get promoted and Div 4 teams only.
Quote from: The PRO on July 15, 2023, 04:37:12 PM
That Down number 13 Brannigan is a quare bad footballer! :)
How did he finish the game?
I think he's in to do a job. What that job is I'm not sure. His handling was terrible today. I haven't seen much this year of Down but what I did he see of them he wasn't great.
Quote from: Nanderson on July 15, 2023, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 15, 2023, 04:37:12 PM
That Down number 13 Brannigan is a quare bad footballer! :)
How did he finish the game?
Id say he'd have no bother roasting you though
That's hardly the point. I'm in my 60's so you're probably right. I just failed to see what he brought to that Down team today.
Quote from: The PRO on July 15, 2023, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 15, 2023, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 15, 2023, 04:37:12 PM
That Down number 13 Brannigan is a quare bad footballer! :)
How did he finish the game?
Id say he'd have no bother roasting you though
That's hardly the point. I'm in my 60's so you're probably right. I just failed to see what he brought to that Down team today.
Well that man for one looks like a 12 year old due to his lack of conditioning which in turn is probably due to his self inflicted refusal to play country football with Down until now as "there isn't a winning mentality in the country team"
He's a half bck trying play corner forward, plus he thought he was too good to play for Down for a fair while.
Some opinions on Eugene today. Hasn't come to life yet in a Down jersey but I thought he had a decent game today. In first half he was one of the few making inroads into the Meath defence and assisted a few scores either from play or by drawing a foul.
His comments last year were naive but probably hard to argue with at the same time.
I've been to many more games this year than for a good few years. Laverty and his team have given the county fresh impetus. Let's hope Down can sustain themselves as a set up that the best players want to be a part of. I fully expect that Down will continue to improve over the next 2-3 years with this management team.
Great to win a title in Croker after 13 years but we have to build on this. Goals remain the same as this year. Win Div 2. Reach/Win Leinster final and at the group stage take a few scalps at the very least.
Down just need a bit more time. The Laois game probably didn't help perceptions a bit like our game against Cork at the start of the league.
Hopefully Meath kick on from this. Leinster badly needs a competitive Meath. We also need a competitive Down, just for my sanity if nothing else.
Quote from: Minus15 on July 16, 2023, 12:02:34 AM
Some opinions on Eugene today. Hasn't come to life yet in a Down jersey but I thought he had a decent game today. In first half he was one of the few making inroads into the Meath defence and assisted a few scores either from play or by drawing a foul.
His comments last year were naive but probably hard to argue with at the same time.
I've been to many more games this year than for a good few years. Laverty and his team have given the county fresh impetus. Let's hope Down can sustain themselves as a set up that the best players want to be a part of. I fully expect that Down will continue to improve over the next 2-3 years with this management team.
He's built like the side of a fiver
Even the two Canavans who are tiny on the Tyrone team have a bit of muscle about them
Quote from: Minus15 on July 16, 2023, 12:02:34 AM
Some opinions on Eugene today. Hasn't come to life yet in a Down jersey but I thought he had a decent game today. In first half he was one of the few making inroads into the Meath defence and assisted a few scores either from play or by drawing a foul.
His comments last year were naive but probably hard to argue with at the same time.
I've been to many more games this year than for a good few years. Laverty and his team have given the county fresh impetus. Let's hope Down can sustain themselves as a set up that the best players want to be a part of. I fully expect that Down will continue to improve over the next 2-3 years with this management team.
Fair enough comment. First senior year for Lavery. Its plain to see he's using thise players who he is familiar with. He has some players coming back from injury with the likes of Barry O hagan and perhaps Mooney that could have made an impact yesterday. As you said, he will hopefully unearth/develop players over the course of the next few years.
Like yourself I think Down are in a far better position than they were in.
Been thinking now, getting out of Division 2 is still important but if you were Colm O'Rourke would you bother with the Leinster Championship next year. I never thought that would be something I'd ever say (or type) out loud but these are unprecedented times.
Save your powder for the All Ireland group stage might be the way to go. Perhaps that's what Mayo and Westmeath did this year.
Quote from: thejuice on July 17, 2023, 08:32:41 PM
Been thinking now, getting out of Division 2 is still important but if you were Colm O'Rourke would you bother with the Leinster Championship next year. I never thought that would be something I'd ever say (or type) out loud but these are unprecedented times.
Save your powder for the All Ireland group stage might be the way to go. Perhaps that's what Mayo and Westmeath did this year.
And look where that got Westmeath and Mayo? But yeah, there will be less and less invested in the Provincial Championship.
I'd say you're not far wrong Enda. Except Mayo under McStay were pretty brainless and weren't saving much powder at all, foot to the floor the old Mayo way and sure let's see what happens. Roscommon did a tactical job on them in the Connacht championship. Mayo didn't save much for the final few furlongs and just ran out of road.
But yes, more teams will disregard the provincials next year I feel, even though winning one is a big big advantage in the groups. But look at who's in the AI final. The sporting imbalance between the provinces is still in place despite the new system. Dublin and Kerry can build nicely through the spring and the early rounds of championship (with all the safety nets in place) while Ulster and Connacht teams of top 12 standard flog themselves to survive at the league top table and undergo the rigours of early round championship football against direct rivals. Dublin and Kerry don't really have that to negotiate so the provincial system is still stifling the bigger picture.
If I was Meath in '24 I'd certainly be going down the route of - win league/promotion OBJECTIVE NO..1 , Give Leinster a proper good lash but always remember we are peaking for AI group stages and can/will regroup if Leinster goes badly.
It's a f**king hames of a system in fairness 😄
They want the best of both worlds and it doesn't work is basically the crux of it. Want provincials and loads of gate receipts but also loads of gate receipts later in the summer.
Tailteann Cup Team of the Year 2023
1 Seán Brennan (Meath)
2 Adam O'Neill (Meath)
3 Pierce Laverty (Down)
4 Padraig Faulkner (Cavan)
5 Donal Keogan (Meath)
6 Padraic Harnan (Meath)
7 Danny Magill (Down)
8 Odhran Murdock (Down)
9 Conor Gray (Meath)
10 Jack Flynn (Meath)
11 Ross Dunphy (Carlow)
12 Liam Kerr (Down)
13 Jordan Morris (Meath)
14 Mathew Costello (Meath)
15 Ruairí McCann – (Antrim) St Mary's
12 from the Finalists🙄
The other 3 lads must really have impressed!
Quote from: Rossfan on October 26, 2023, 12:26:49 PM12 from the Finalists🙄
The other 3 lads must really have impressed!
The panel were obviously impressed in the 30 second highlights reel on TSG