I was looking at Roscommon the other day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscommon_Senior_Football_Championship
Some teams win whatever the decade. Some got organised 40 or 50 years ago. Some stopped in the 40s.
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 08:50:28 AM
I was looking at Roscommon the other day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscommon_Senior_Football_Championship
Some teams win whatever the decade. Some got organised 40 or 50 years ago. Some stopped in the 40s.
Tarmon and St Patrick's had the 40s sown up! Then stopped by the looks of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry_Senior_Football_Championship?wprov=sfla1
Bellaghy lead the way with 21, they won 14 titles between '56 and '79. Then won another 6 between 1994 and 2005. With one random one in '86. They've only appeared in one final since 2005.
Ballinderry won 8 titles between 1995 + 2013 to leap frog Newbridge and are in 2nd with 13 titles.
Newbridge won 9 titles by 1970 and have only added one since.
Slaughtneil won all 6 of their titles this century.
Glen have back to back titles now, winning their first ever senior championship last year.
Quote from: Estimator on October 31, 2022, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 08:50:28 AM
I was looking at Roscommon the other day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscommon_Senior_Football_Championship
Some teams win whatever the decade. Some got organised 40 or 50 years ago. Some stopped in the 40s.
Tarmon and St Patrick's had the 40s sown up! Then stopped by the looks of it.
Those Clubs supplied a large number of our double AI winning teams of 43/44.
Tarmon became part of Castlerea St Kevin's while St Pats became part of St Dominics.
Elphin really fell off the title ladder since the great days of the 50s.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2022, 11:18:26 AM
Quote from: Estimator on October 31, 2022, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 08:50:28 AM
I was looking at Roscommon the other day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscommon_Senior_Football_Championship
Some teams win whatever the decade. Some got organised 40 or 50 years ago. Some stopped in the 40s.
Tarmon and St Patrick's had the 40s sown up! Then stopped by the looks of it.
Those Clubs supplied a large number of our double AI winning teams of 43/44.
Tarmon became part of Castlerea St Kevin's while St Pats became part of St Dominics.
Elphin really fell off the title ladder since the great days of the 50s.
Elphin must have been ahead until relatively recently. The Athlone side clubs only got going in 1953
The Johnnies (St Johns) have the most in Antrim, have an Ulster and were beat in Club final by a college team that had Pat Spillane on it along with a few other stars
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2022, 01:36:09 PM
The Johnnies (St Johns) have the most in Antrim, have an Ulster and were beat in Club final by a college team that had Pat Spillane on it along with a few other stars
Yes, Spillane always bitches that Thomond College got no support from Limerick County Board. He could not understand how they did not take to a group of blow ins representing their county. ;D
Ehmmm gonna hazard a guess at Cross by a fair bit, although Clann Na Gael and Armagh Harps have won a fair few between them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2022, 02:10:50 PM
Ehmmm gonna hazard a guess at Cross by a fair bit, although Clann Na Gael and Armagh Harps have won a fair few between them.
Crossmaglen Rangers 46
Armagh Harps 21
Clan na Gael 14
Armagh Young Irelands 7
Keady Dwyer's 4
St Patrick's Carrickcruppen 4
Pearse Óg GAC 4
Killeavy St Monnina's 3
Bessbrook Geraldines / An Sruthán 3
Clann Éireann 3
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Crossmaglen Rangers 46
Armagh Harps 21
Clan na Gael 14
Armagh Young Irelands 7
Keady Dwyer's 4
St Patrick's Carrickcruppen 4
Pearse Óg GAC 4
Killeavy St Monnina's 3
Bessbrook Geraldines / An Sruthán 3
Clann Éireann 3
Cross must have the record number of titles
Quote from: toby47 on October 31, 2022, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2022, 02:10:50 PM
Ehmmm gonna hazard a guess at Cross by a fair bit, although Clann Na Gael and Armagh Harps have won a fair few between them.
Crossmaglen Rangers 46
Armagh Harps 21
Clan na Gael 14
Armagh Young Irelands 7
Keady Dwyer's 4
St Patrick's Carrickcruppen 4
Pearse Óg GAC 4
Killeavy St Monnina's 3
Bessbrook Geraldines / An Sruthán 3
Clann Éireann 3
Think Paul Hearty has something like 20 of those for Cross and Aaron Kernan won his 17th last week. Armagh Young Irelands were the Harps as far as I know.
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Ehmmm gonna hazard a guess at Cross by a fair bit, although Clann Na Gael and Armagh Harps have won a fair few between them.
Crossmaglen Rangers 46
Armagh Harps 21
Clan na Gael 14
Armagh Young Irelands 7
Keady Dwyer's 4
St Patrick's Carrickcruppen 4
Pearse Óg GAC 4
Killeavy St Monnina's 3
Bessbrook Geraldines / An Sruthán 3
Clann Éireann 3
What is the equivalent club to Geraldine's nowadays?
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Ehmmm gonna hazard a guess at Cross by a fair bit, although Clann Na Gael and Armagh Harps have won a fair few between them.
Crossmaglen Rangers 46
Armagh Harps 21
Clan na Gael 14
Armagh Young Irelands 7
Keady Dwyer's 4
St Patrick's Carrickcruppen 4
Pearse Óg GAC 4
Killeavy St Monnina's 3
Bessbrook Geraldines / An Sruthán 3
Clann Éireann 3
What is the equivalent club to Geraldine's nowadays?
Don't think I've heard of them before but presumably Carrickcruppen or Shane O'Neills
I remember Geraldines playing in the late 80s, were sort of a Carrickcruppen second team but run as a separate club if im not mistaken. I would guess folded early 90s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sligo_Senior_Football_Championship
We are catching up with Tubbercurry - just completed 7 in a row
I noticed bunninadden were 109 years between their first and second (last) championship. In Roscommon, Boyle, had they beaten Strokestown I think would have been 95 since their last...
i wonder was there any clubs waiting longer between club championship wins than Bunninadden...
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
Tyrone Senior Football Championship
15 - Carrickmore
11 - Dungannon
10 - Coalisland
9 - Omagh
8 - Clonoe, Trillick & Errigal Ciaran
7 - Ardboe
4 - Moortown & Dromore
3 - Augher
2 - Killyclogher, Derrylaughan, Stewartstown, Strabane, Cookstown & Fintona
1 - Eglish, Donaghmore & Moy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone_Senior_Football_Championship
Things to notice...
* Though Dungannon are second on the list, they've only won one title since 1956 (the infamous 2020 run where they failed to win any tie in normal time).
* No team has managed to win more than three successive senior football championships, the last being Carrickmore's run in 1977-79.
* Ardboe's wins came in the 60's 70's 80's & 90's, but failed to win a title in the 2000's to continue that streak and failed to win any in the 2010's either.
* Biggest gap between two SFC wins is 42 years for Moortown (1950 & their final one in 1992), though Stewartstown (38 years, 1924 & 1962) and Trillick (37 years, 1937 & 1974) both come close.
* Dromore are the youngest team to have won their first SFC title, doing so in 2007. Killyclogher are next at 2003.
* On the above list, the only clubs that competed in this year's Tyrone SFC that have never previously won it was Loughmacrory & Greencastle. Of the remainder on this list, two competed in this year's IFC and four in the JFC (excluding thirds teams).
Is Strabane a soccer town ?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2022, 02:58:07 PM
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Ehmmm gonna hazard a guess at Cross by a fair bit, although Clann Na Gael and Armagh Harps have won a fair few between them.
Crossmaglen Rangers 46
Armagh Harps 21
Clan na Gael 14
Armagh Young Irelands 7
Keady Dwyer's 4
St Patrick's Carrickcruppen 4
Pearse Óg GAC 4
Killeavy St Monnina's 3
Bessbrook Geraldines / An Sruthán 3
Clann Éireann 3
What is the equivalent club to Geraldine's nowadays?
Don't think I've heard of them before but presumably Carrickcruppen or Shane O'Neills
Wouldn't be an equivalent really. Craobh Rua hurling would be the closest I guess.
The figures above are slightly wrong. The Young Irelanders wins should be included in the Armagh Harps 21. A bit of double counting there, though Clans men would argue they shouldn't be included at all and should stand alone!
Big Hertz has 19 counties, 11 Ulster's and 6 AIs so is likely to be the stand alone medal winner for many years. Oisin only has 16 counties and 10 Ulster's. Aaron might catch Hertz for counties but would need a 3 in a row to catch him in Ulsters and AIs. Not likely to happen.
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Ehmmm gonna hazard a guess at Cross by a fair bit, although Clann Na Gael and Armagh Harps have won a fair few between them.
Crossmaglen Rangers 46
Armagh Harps 21
Clan na Gael 14
Armagh Young Irelands 7
Keady Dwyer's 4
St Patrick's Carrickcruppen 4
Pearse Óg GAC 4
Killeavy St Monnina's 3
Bessbrook Geraldines / An Sruthán 3
Clann Éireann 3
What is the equivalent club to Geraldine's nowadays?
Don't think I've heard of them before but presumably Carrickcruppen or Shane O'Neills
Wouldn't be an equivalent really. Craobh Rua hurling would be the closest I guess.
The figures above are slightly wrong. The Young Irelanders wins should be included in the Armagh Harps 21. A bit of double counting there, though Clans men would argue they shouldn't be included at all and should stand alone!
Big Hertz has 19 counties, 11 Ulster's and 6 AIs so is likely to be the stand alone medal winner for many years. Oisin only has 16 counties and 10 Ulster's. Aaron might catch Hertz for counties but would need a 3 in a row to catch him in Ulsters and AIs. Not likely to happen.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-crossmaglen-rangers-a-gaa-community-that-stood-up-to-the-british-34555608.html Oisín: Wasn't it great to stick the two fingers up to them and say regardless what you do, you can land your helicopters on our pitch, you can build your barracks on top of us, you can throw our clothes and our bags out on the street when you search our cars on the way to training. . . Wasn't it great to say to them, 'But f**k youse, we're gonna win an All-Ireland anyway.'
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Is Strabane a soccer town ?
Of the four main towns in Tyrone, Strabane would likely be regarded by most in the county as definitely being more strongly influenced by soccer than Gaelic games.
Over 13,000 people (2011), over 90% Nationalist/Catholic background, 55% with Irish identity only.
Tyrone Co Board needs to up their game there I would think.
Westport was pretty soccer orientated but has been turned around to become Mayowestros SF Champions.
How far is Strabane from Derry?
Cornafean in Cavan have most senior titles with 20 but their last was in 1956. Back then there was a rule to play for Cavan you had to play with a senior club so they hoovered up players from miles around. When that rule went the reds went backwards fast and while intermediate now, they were always junior when I played.
No mention of Nemo Rangers. I take it they would be the most successful club in Cork?
Would a club Team from a strong county like Tyrone Dublin Kerry mayo beat the weaker intercounty teams in bottom half division 4 just say.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 31, 2022, 03:46:40 PM
I noticed bunninadden were 109 years between their first and second (last) championship. In Roscommon, Boyle, had they beaten Strokestown I think would have been 95 since their last...
i wonder was there any clubs waiting longer between club championship wins than Bunninadden...
They had the longest wait. This info thanks to GAA stats on twitter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgYhZ6bXgAAkdK4?format=png&name=small)
Quote from: Eire90 on November 02, 2022, 06:46:32 AM
Would a club Team from a strong county like Tyrone Dublin Kerry mayo beat the weaker intercounty teams in bottom half division 4 just say.
Would suspect so with Dublin, but not necessarily the other teams. Kerry very much dominated by divisional teams. Mayo, not so sure anymore. Kilcoo, Glen probably would.
I remember when I was playing we would regularly play county senior and u21 teams. Would regularly have played the likes of Monaghan, Louth and the like. We drew with Kildare one year when they were under Micko and they had a strong team out that day, Glen Ryan, Rainbow, Martin Lynch, Buckley and a few others. They were in pre-season and we were at full tilt but that was round the time they made the AI final so we were well chuffed. I'd suspect Corofin were doing that as well at their peak.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2022, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 04:36:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Is Strabane a soccer town ?
Of the four main towns in Tyrone, Strabane would likely be regarded by most in the county as definitely being more strongly influenced by soccer than Gaelic games.
Over 13,000 people (2011), over 90% Nationalist/Catholic background, 55% with Irish identity only.
Tyrone Co Board needs to up their game there I would think.
Westport was pretty soccer orientated but has been turned around to become Mayowestros SF Champions.
Would Newry be vastly different. Should Down GAA not be concentrating efforts there. Derry city would've been mentioned similarly
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2022, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 04:36:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Is Strabane a soccer town ?
Of the four main towns in Tyrone, Strabane would likely be regarded by most in the county as definitely being more strongly influenced by soccer than Gaelic games.
Over 13,000 people (2011), over 90% Nationalist/Catholic background, 55% with Irish identity only.
Tyrone Co Board needs to up their game there I would think.
Westport was pretty soccer orientated but has been turned around to become Mayowestros SF Champions.
Would Newry be vastly different. Should Down GAA not be concentrating efforts there. Derry city would've been mentioned similarly
Newry is a bit of a mess. At least one of their clubs should be competing at senior level given the population.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 02, 2022, 06:46:32 AM
Would a club Team from a strong county like Tyrone Dublin Kerry mayo beat the weaker intercounty teams in bottom half division 4 just say.
lol.
Interesting question, I reckon the Cross team in it's heyday would have beaten a fair few county teams. Some of the top Dublin teams today would surely beat a lot of the lower divison 3/4 teams, not too many teams would fare well against a fit Mannion and Walsh.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 02, 2022, 07:29:55 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 31, 2022, 03:46:40 PM
I noticed bunninadden were 109 years between their first and second (last) championship. In Roscommon, Boyle, had they beaten Strokestown I think would have been 95 since their last...
i wonder was there any clubs waiting longer between club championship wins than Bunninadden...
They had the longest wait. This info thanks to GAA stats on twitter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgYhZ6bXgAAkdK4?format=png&name=small)
thanks
just on club teams playing intercounty, St Brigids Roscommon played a few, I seen them hammer Carlow around 2012/3
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Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Is Strabane a soccer town ?
Of the four main towns in Tyrone, Strabane would likely be regarded by most in the county as definitely being more strongly influenced by soccer than Gaelic games.
Over 13,000 people (2011), over 90% Nationalist/Catholic background, 55% with Irish identity only.
Tyrone Co Board needs to up their game there I would think.
Westport was pretty soccer orientated but has been turned around to become Mayowestros SF Champions.
Would Newry be vastly different. Should Down GAA not be concentrating efforts there. Derry city would've been mentioned similarly
Newry is a bit of a mess. At least one of their clubs should be competing at senior level given the population.
Half of Newry is in Armagh geographically don't forget ;). Newry city itself would be dominated by soccer, pints and cocaine these days mostly so doesn't leave much time for the GAA. Bosco and Shamrocks would traditionally have fairly good underage teams but the stereotypical town problem of not being able to get them through to senior level applies
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Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Is Strabane a soccer town ?
Of the four main towns in Tyrone, Strabane would likely be regarded by most in the county as definitely being more strongly influenced by soccer than Gaelic games.
Over 13,000 people (2011), over 90% Nationalist/Catholic background, 55% with Irish identity only.
Tyrone Co Board needs to up their game there I would think.
Westport was pretty soccer orientated but has been turned around to become Mayowestros SF Champions.
Would Newry be vastly different. Should Down GAA not be concentrating efforts there. Derry city would've been mentioned similarly
Newry is a bit of a mess. At least one of their clubs should be competing at senior level given the population.
Half of Newry is in Armagh geographically don't forget ;). Newry city itself would be dominated by soccer, pints and cocaine these days mostly so doesn't leave much time for the GAA. Bosco and Shamrocks would traditionally have fairly good underage teams but the stereotypical town problem of not being able to get them through to senior level applies
Shur everyone has the cocaine problem these days and the pints have always been there
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Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Is Strabane a soccer town ?
Of the four main towns in Tyrone, Strabane would likely be regarded by most in the county as definitely being more strongly influenced by soccer than Gaelic games.
Over 13,000 people (2011), over 90% Nationalist/Catholic background, 55% with Irish identity only.
Tyrone Co Board needs to up their game there I would think.
Westport was pretty soccer orientated but has been turned around to become Mayowestros SF Champions.
Would Newry be vastly different. Should Down GAA not be concentrating efforts there. Derry city would've been mentioned similarly
Newry is a bit of a mess. At least one of their clubs should be competing at senior level given the population.
Half of Newry is in Armagh geographically don't forget ;). Newry city itself would be dominated by soccer, pints and cocaine these days mostly so doesn't leave much time for the GAA. Bosco and Shamrocks would traditionally have fairly good underage teams but the stereotypical town problem of not being able to get them through to senior level applies
True that - the Armagh half only has one club though. Newry doesn't suffer anything other towns of a similar size suffer from, so no real excuse.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 02, 2022, 06:46:32 AM
Would a club Team from a strong county like Tyrone Dublin Kerry mayo beat the weaker intercounty teams in bottom half division 4 just say.
Teams like Kilmacud probably would beat some. But clubs like that aren't normal clubs they are funded and ran like county teams with a massive membership.
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Quote from: Eire90 on November 02, 2022, 06:46:32 AM
Would a club Team from a strong county like Tyrone Dublin Kerry mayo beat the weaker intercounty teams in bottom half division 4 just say.
Teams like Kilmacud probably would beat some. But clubs like that aren't normal clubs they are funded and ran like county teams with a massive membership.
If a county team is at Championship level it will beat the club team at its championship level, teams like Cross could beat a poor county team but only this time of year when the county team is in preseason
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Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 04:36:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Is Strabane a soccer town ?
Of the four main towns in Tyrone, Strabane would likely be regarded by most in the county as definitely being more strongly influenced by soccer than Gaelic games.
Over 13,000 people (2011), over 90% Nationalist/Catholic background, 55% with Irish identity only.
Tyrone Co Board needs to up their game there I would think.
Westport was pretty soccer orientated but has been turned around to become Mayowestros SF Champions.
Would Newry be vastly different. Should Down GAA not be concentrating efforts there. Derry city would've been mentioned similarly
Newry is a bit of a mess. At least one of their clubs should be competing at senior level given the population.
Half of Newry is in Armagh geographically don't forget ;). Newry city itself would be dominated by soccer, pints and cocaine these days mostly so doesn't leave much time for the GAA. Bosco and Shamrocks would traditionally have fairly good underage teams but the stereotypical town problem of not being able to get them through to senior level applies
Shur everyone has the cocaine problem these days and the pints have always been there
Ballyholland relegated to div 2 so them and Shamrocks will be a good derby next year. But Newry should get more divison 1 clubs but i expect Ballyholland to get back up soon as they are getting serious numbers at underage .
Bosco are alway great at underage but they cannot get them through, very sad that.
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Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 31, 2022, 03:46:40 PM
I noticed bunninadden were 109 years between their first and second (last) championship. In Roscommon, Boyle, had they beaten Strokestown I think would have been 95 since their last...
i wonder was there any clubs waiting longer between club championship wins than Bunninadden...
They had the longest wait. This info thanks to GAA stats on twitter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgYhZ6bXgAAkdK4?format=png&name=small)
Funny thing about that Bunninadden win is that the team they beat with a last gasp goal, Coolera, would themselves have ended a 93 year wait had they held on. Their time eventually came in 2005. For a small club that Bunninadden were able to compete and win a senior title was fair going. Those days when other teams actually won our county title were rather nice looking back on it now.
On the hurling side Bruree in Limerick had a gap of 113 years between their two wins when they won it around 2005/6.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 02, 2022, 06:46:32 AM
Would a club Team from a strong county like Tyrone Dublin Kerry mayo beat the weaker intercounty teams in bottom half division 4 just say.
I actually don't think they would. Having gone to Div4 matches this yr for first time ever the standard is higher than you might expect.
In Galway there is a top 4
25 Tuam Shtars
21 Corofin
20 St Grellans Ballinasloe
15 Dunmore McHales
Dunmore, Tuam and St Grellans would have provided most of the All Ireland winners pre 1998. Tuam, Dunmore and Corofin are in north Galway.
St Grellans last county title was in 1980. Tuam's last win was in 1994.
Dunmore's was in 1983. Dunmore would be associated with the Donnellans who have 3 generations of all Ireland medals
Corofin emerged as a force in 1998 when they won the club all Ireland. Since then they have won around 15 county titles.
Is it population/economic issues that has moved the strong football centre away from the old North Galway strongholds?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 06, 2022, 10:43:39 AM
Is it population/economic issues that has moved the strong football centre away from the old North Galway strongholds?
I think it's definitely relevant.
Tuam, Dunmore and Ballinasloe declined economically in the 80s.
Corofin is really well organised.
You could probably analyse it by distance to Galway.
What really stands out in recent years is the dominance of Corofin. It is is Crossmaglenesque. They are both superclubs capable of winning the all Ireland repeatedly.
When you have that very few other clubs can thrive. Corofin basically drive the Connacht numbers. Crossmaglen drive the Ulster numbers. The winning culture goes very deep.
The county team even in 98 had a decent representation from west of the Corrib. This year in the final there were 5 .
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 10:32:01 AM
In Galway there is a top 4
25 Tuam Shtars
21 Corofin
20 St Grellans Ballinasloe
15 Dunmore McHales
Dunmore, Tuam and St Grellans would have provided most of the All Ireland winners pre 1998. Tuam, Dunmore and Corofin are in north Galway.
St Grellans last county title was in 1980. Tuam's last win was in 1994.
Dunmore's was in 1983. Dunmore would be associated with the Donnellans who have 3 generations of all Ireland medals
Corofin emerged as a force in 1998 when they won the club all Ireland. Since then they have won around 15 county titles.
I'd argue that Corofin began to emerge as a force within Galway from the early 90s, after 98 they started to make a name for themselves on the provincial circuit.
Population only does a certain amount for a club in my opinion, of course it helps but if you look at the likes of Salthill Knocknacarra, they've always had the numbers but never the domination expected. The same will be true of Claregalway I think, they have huge underage success the last while but it remains to be seen if they turn it into senior success. Oranmore is another area where the population has exploded recently, they're making good strides with their minors this year in both hurling and football. Moycullen are in the spotlight at the moment, much like Corofin of the last few years they have a core group of excellent footballers in the Kellys, Peter Cooke, David Wynne etc but their location has also helped along with the coaching connections that they have. It's well documented that Don Connellan coaxed Owen Gallagher to join the club, Tom Clarke and Niall Walsh are also outsiders that have joined in recent years. They are a progressive club though, they have the right people in charge, Paul Clancy seems to be an excellent chairman and their underage is going really well. Population certainly helps but you need the structures and right people running the show. Tuam Stars have a huge population base, there's schools in every corner of the town but in my opinion anyway they're not making the most out of it.
I think Kerry is the most interesting one
In the early years of the GAA the dominant team in kerry was Tralee John Mitchel's, the only team in Tralee. In 1927 the team was broken into 3 for competition purposes- Mitchels, Austin Stacks and Kerins O'Rahillys. Kerry also has teams amalgamated from a few parishes, called Divisional teams, which also boost competitiveness. What you end up with is a fair spread of competitiveness across the county. And that is what you need to win all Irelands.
The top 7 teams have between 9 and 13 titles.
Very different to the Cross model. If Cross are weak Armagh probably won't come up with a replacement.
Much of the mayo imbalce is historical as ballina and castlebar completely dominated uptill anbout 1960.
Gtrat to see a new name on the moclair cup this year as ballintuuber 2010 was the last one and it was 1990 before that
1 Ballina Stephenites" 36
2 Castlebar Mitchels 31
3 Knockmore 10
4 Crossmolina Deel Rovers 7
5 Garrymore 6
6 Ballintubber 5
7 Claremorris 4
8 Hollymount 3
Ballycastle 3
Charlestown Sarsfields 3
Ballaghaderreen 3
12 East Mayo 2
Ballyhaunis 2
14 Shamrocks(Kilmovee/Aghamore) 1
North Mayo 1
West Mayo 1
Lacken 1
Ballina Commercials 1
Westport 1
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 10:32:01 AM
In Galway there is a top 4
25 Tuam Shtars
21 Corofin
20 St Grellans Ballinasloe
15 Dunmore McHales
Dunmore, Tuam and St Grellans would have provided most of the All Ireland winners pre 1998. Tuam, Dunmore and Corofin are in north Galway.
St Grellans last county title was in 1980. Tuam's last win was in 1994.
Dunmore's was in 1983. Dunmore would be associated with the Donnellans who have 3 generations of all Ireland medals
Corofin emerged as a force in 1998 when they won the club all Ireland. Since then they have won around 15 county titles.
Salthill player?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 07:22:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 10:32:01 AM
In Galway there is a top 4
25 Tuam Shtars
21 Corofin
20 St Grellans Ballinasloe
15 Dunmore McHales
Dunmore, Tuam and St Grellans would have provided most of the All Ireland winners pre 1998. Tuam, Dunmore and Corofin are in north Galway.
St Grellans last county title was in 1980. Tuam's last win was in 1994.
Dunmore's was in 1983. Dunmore would be associated with the Donnellans who have 3 generations of all Ireland medals
Corofin emerged as a force in 1998 when they won the club all Ireland. Since then they have won around 15 county titles.
Salthill player?
Later. The family seat is Dunmore. I think he won a club all Ireland with Salthill.
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2022, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 07:22:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 10:32:01 AM
In Galway there is a top 4
25 Tuam Shtars
21 Corofin
20 St Grellans Ballinasloe
15 Dunmore McHales
Dunmore, Tuam and St Grellans would have provided most of the All Ireland winners pre 1998. Tuam, Dunmore and Corofin are in north Galway.
St Grellans last county title was in 1980. Tuam's last win was in 1994.
Dunmore's was in 1983. Dunmore would be associated with the Donnellans who have 3 generations of all Ireland medals
Corofin emerged as a force in 1998 when they won the club all Ireland. Since then they have won around 15 county titles.
Salthill player?
Later. The family seat is Dunmore. I think he won a club all Ireland with Salthill.
He did, he was the stand out player that day, the coldest day ever in Croke!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2022, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 07:22:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 10:32:01 AM
In Galway there is a top 4
25 Tuam Shtars
21 Corofin
20 St Grellans Ballinasloe
15 Dunmore McHales
Dunmore, Tuam and St Grellans would have provided most of the All Ireland winners pre 1998. Tuam, Dunmore and Corofin are in north Galway.
St Grellans last county title was in 1980. Tuam's last win was in 1994.
Dunmore's was in 1983. Dunmore would be associated with the Donnellans who have 3 generations of all Ireland medals
Corofin emerged as a force in 1998 when they won the club all Ireland. Since then they have won around 15 county titles.
Salthill player?
Later. The family seat is Dunmore. I think he won a club all Ireland with Salthill.
He did, he was the stand out player that day, the coldest day ever in Croke!!
Bellaghy v Kilmacud, 1995, it snowed during the final....
SPD in Dublin was usually cold. Mediterranean countries would probably be more likely to have the national day in the summer. 4 or 14 July aren't bad.
Monaghan is dominated by rural clubs.
Monaghan Harps only have 3 titles, in 8th place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaghan_Senior_Football_Championship
Malachy Clerkin in the Irish Times
"The Harps are a maddening thing at times. A town club with townie players, with all the good and bad that implies. Nearly always a force at underage, never a factor at senior level. The biggest town in the county, the widest pick of players. And yet no senior championship since 1923. Just four final appearances in 98 years.
In a county like Monaghan, everyone moves away. To Dublin, to Belfast, to Derry, wherever. But somehow the country clubs like Scotstown and Clontibret and Ballybay always make sure the elastic doesn't snap.
McManus spent his 20s in Dublin but still won five county titles with Clontibret. Conor McCarthy was a mainstay of UCD Sigerson teams and could still gather up five titles of his own with Scotstown. Ryan Wylie is a radiographer in the Mater hospital who gets in his relaxation time playing for Ballybay."
St Grellans are top 3 in Galway.
They won 15 titles in 17 years between 1913 and 1929. They added 5 more between 1930 and 1980 . Nothing since.
Crossmaglen can either keep on winning or fade away slowly.
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2022, 07:30:00 AM
St Grellans are top 3 in Galway.
They won 15 titles in 17 years between 1913 and 1929. They added 5 more between 1930 and 1980 . Nothing since.
Crossmaglen can either keep on winning or fade away slowly.
[/b]0 chance of that. Too many sons and nephews of footballing royalty knocking about the squad, added to the huge pick and the natural fear nearly all Armagh clubs have of the black and amber jersey they'll be about for a while yet, at least in Armagh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 16, 2022, 08:25:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2022, 07:30:00 AM
St Grellans are top 3 in Galway.
They won 15 titles in 17 years between 1913 and 1929. They added 5 more between 1930 and 1980 . Nothing since.
Crossmaglen can either keep on winning or fade away slowly.
[/b]0 chance of that. Too many sons and nephews of footballing royalty knocking about the squad, added to the huge pick and the natural fear nearly all Armagh clubs have of the black and amber jersey they'll be about for a while yet, at least in Armagh.
are st grellans/ballinasloe the only place to have won a football and hurling title in Galway.
i know they may have been different club but is it the closet to a double there is?
Quote from: rosnarun on November 16, 2022, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 16, 2022, 08:25:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2022, 07:30:00 AM
St Grellans are top 3 in Galway.
They won 15 titles in 17 years between 1913 and 1929. They added 5 more between 1930 and 1980 . Nothing since.
Crossmaglen can either keep on winning or fade away slowly.
[/b]0 chance of that. Too many sons and nephews of footballing royalty knocking about the squad, added to the huge pick and the natural fear nearly all Armagh clubs have of the black and amber jersey they'll be about for a while yet, at least in Armagh.
are st grellans/ballinasloe the only place to have won a football and hurling title in Galway.
i know they may have been different club but is it the closet to a double there is?
Monivea-Abbeyknockmoy are the football team and Abbeyknockmoy are the hurling team - they are from the same parish.
The hurlers won the hurling championship in 1988 and the footballers were champions in 1992. Tomas Mannion played on both teams AFAIK,
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2022, 01:41:28 PM
I think Kerry is the most interesting one
In the early years of the GAA the dominant team in kerry was Tralee John Mitchel's, the only team in Tralee. In 1927 the team was broken into 3 for competition purposes- Mitchels, Austin Stacks and Kerins O'Rahillys. Kerry also has teams amalgamated from a few parishes, called Divisional teams, which also boost competitiveness. What you end up with is a fair spread of competitiveness across the county. And that is what you need to win all Irelands.
The top 7 teams have between 9 and 13 titles.
Very different to the Cross model. If Cross are weak Armagh probably won't come up with a replacement.
Small point of order here...
The pre-1925 entrants from Tralee were a representative side, Tralee Mitchels, formed by combining the three street league teams, namely Rock Street, Strand Road and Boherbue. 1925-1928 saw a divisional side just called "Tralee" enter (no Mitchels added, but sometimes referred to as Tralee Parnells which was the hurling team from the town).
1928-1932 saw the three streets enter using their street names. In 1932, Rock Street was renamed Austin Stacks, Boherbue became John Mitchels and Strand Street became O'Rahilly's (the Kerins part was added in 1953 in memory of club member Charlie Kerins who was hanged on 1 Dec 1944 after Eamonn de Valera's government refused to issue a reprieve following his guilty verdict in the killing of Garda Detective Denis O'Brien in September 1942, but that's a different story).
It is correct to state that Austin Stack (the man) played his championship football with Tralee Mitchels, often a sore point among supporters of both clubs.
Current leaders of County Championship wins is:
Dr. Crokes and Austin Stacks with 13 each
John Mitchels, Laune Rangers, East Kerry, South Kerry have 10 each
Tralee Mitchels have 9
Dingle, Kerins O'Rahilly's 6 each
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 17, 2022, 10:10:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2022, 01:41:28 PM
I think Kerry is the most interesting one
In the early years of the GAA the dominant team in kerry was Tralee John Mitchel's, the only team in Tralee. In 1927 the team was broken into 3 for competition purposes- Mitchels, Austin Stacks and Kerins O'Rahillys. Kerry also has teams amalgamated from a few parishes, called Divisional teams, which also boost competitiveness. What you end up with is a fair spread of competitiveness across the county. And that is what you need to win all Irelands.
The top 7 teams have between 9 and 13 titles.
Very different to the Cross model. If Cross are weak Armagh probably won't come up with a replacement.
Small point of order here...
The pre-1925 entrants from Tralee were a representative side, Tralee Mitchels, formed by combining the three street league teams, namely Rock Street, Strand Road and Boherbue. 1925-1928 saw a divisional side just called "Tralee" enter (no Mitchels added, but sometimes referred to as Tralee Parnells which was the hurling team from the town).
1928-1932 saw the three streets enter using their street names. In 1932, Rock Street was renamed Austin Stacks, Boherbue became John Mitchels and Strand Street became O'Rahilly's (the Kerins part was added in 1953 in memory of club member Charlie Kerins who was hanged on 1 Dec 1944 after Eamonn de Valera's government refused to issue a reprieve following his guilty verdict in the killing of Garda Detective Denis O'Brien in September 1942, but that's a different story).
It is correct to state that Austin Stack (the man) played his championship football with Tralee Mitchels, often a sore point among supporters of both clubs.
Current leaders of County Championship wins is:
Dr. Crokes and Austin Stacks with 13 each
John Mitchels, Laune Rangers, East Kerry, South Kerry have 10 each
Tralee Mitchels have 9
Dingle, Kerins O'Rahilly's 6 each
Could be opening up a whole can of worms there lol
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 17, 2022, 10:10:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2022, 01:41:28 PM
I think Kerry is the most interesting one
In the early years of the GAA the dominant team in kerry was Tralee John Mitchel's, the only team in Tralee. In 1927 the team was broken into 3 for competition purposes- Mitchels, Austin Stacks and Kerins O'Rahillys. Kerry also has teams amalgamated from a few parishes, called Divisional teams, which also boost competitiveness. What you end up with is a fair spread of competitiveness across the county. And that is what you need to win all Irelands.
The top 7 teams have between 9 and 13 titles.
Very different to the Cross model. If Cross are weak Armagh probably won't come up with a replacement.
Small point of order here...
The pre-1925 entrants from Tralee were a representative side, Tralee Mitchels, formed by combining the three street league teams, namely Rock Street, Strand Road and Boherbue. 1925-1928 saw a divisional side just called "Tralee" enter (no Mitchels added, but sometimes referred to as Tralee Parnells which was the hurling team from the town).
1928-1932 saw the three streets enter using their street names. In 1932, Rock Street was renamed Austin Stacks, Boherbue became John Mitchels and Strand Street became O'Rahilly's (the Kerins part was added in 1953 in memory of club member Charlie Kerins who was hanged on 1 Dec 1944 after Eamonn de Valera's government refused to issue a reprieve following his guilty verdict in the killing of Garda Detective Denis O'Brien in September 1942, but that's a different story).
It is correct to state that Austin Stack (the man) played his championship football with Tralee Mitchels, often a sore point among supporters of both clubs.
Current leaders of County Championship wins is:
Dr. Crokes and Austin Stacks with 13 each
John Mitchels, Laune Rangers, East Kerry, South Kerry have 10 each
Tralee Mitchels have 9
Dingle, Kerins O'Rahilly's 6 each
GRMA