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I'll be having a punt on Glen for this. Kilcoo just not looking as strong but do have the ability to peak at the right time.
Cross look great but maybe it's just a year too soon.
Errigal great on paper but tyrone champs not been at the races in years.
Interesting dynamic with Jerome senior with ballbay.
Should be a cracking championship.
Be interesting definitely think Glen/Kilcoo or Cross are likely to win. Kilcoo just seem
To do enough to eek out wins and then hit peak form around now. Would love to see them play Cross there is a bit of bad blood between them two sides
Can't look past the teams that are previous winners.... EC have that in their locker despite the other Tyrone clubs records in Ulster, Kilcoo look to be struggling but they can grind teams down and get the results...
Glen wondering why they didn't win last year so will undoubtedly be right in the mix and being a Derry club team they have one of the best records in this competition. Cross club is phenomenal in Ulster so automatically they will bring that pedigree into it
Can't see the rest making any inroads unfortunately from an Antrim perspective, hoped to be proved wrong of course
Glen to win it and it will be dour
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 30, 2022, 11:06:57 PM
Glen to win it and it will be dour
Agree. Glen will win it this year but Errigal will give them a game.
Glen bound to feel the loss of Ciaran McFaul I think EC on paper anyway have more star quality than glen, guys like Petey Harte have all the skills but then my sensible head tells me Tyrone sides do crap in ulster and glen could grind them down
Great tournament. Cant believe there wasnt a thread on it, looked earlier meself.
Mcfaul a huge loss but ye hardly noticed it against sneil. Cross, Kilcoo, Errigal, has the makings of a great tourno ye just hope for some open football
Kilcoo the team to beat, then Glen,
Quote from: charlieTully on October 30, 2022, 10:45:28 PM
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I'll be having a punt on Glen for this. Kilcoo just not looking as strong but do have the ability to peak at the right time.
Cross look great but maybe it's just a year too soon.
Errigal great on paper but tyrone champs not been at the races in years.
Interesting dynamic with Jerome senior with ballbay.
Should be a cracking championship.
Back to back all irelands are very hard to execute. Kolcoo will probably run out of gas at some stage.
Quote from: Saul goodman on October 30, 2022, 11:25:09 PM
Glen bound to feel the loss of Ciaran McFaul I think EC on paper anyway have more star quality than glen, guys like Petey Harte have all the skills but then my sensible head tells me Tyrone sides do crap in ulster and glen could grind them down
You away with the fairies ;D
I've a quid on Glen to go the whole way and take Kilcoo's national title. Will be mightily pissed off if that quid is wasted.
Should be a good championship alright with Cross, Glen, Kilcoo and Errigal Ciaran. Did Derrygonnelly win Fermanagh? They're always a good side in Ulster.
Cross v Ballybay on RTE Saturday night. It'll be interesting to see Cross, the name obviously still carries a lot of kudos but I don't think they're a patch on previous editions, still a lot of talent there but I doubt they'd have the mental toughness yet. Ballybay are a well seasoned outfit so I wouldn't be surprised if they beat Cross.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2022, 07:45:44 AM
Should be a good championship alright with Cross, Glen, Kilcoo and Errigal Ciaran. Did Derrygonnelly win Fermanagh? They're always a good side in Ulster.
Enniskillen Gaels back on top of their perch in Fermanagh. Play Gowna now so a good chance for both sides.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2022, 07:53:17 AM
Cross v Ballybay on RTE Saturday night. It'll be interesting to see Cross, the name obviously still carries a lot of kudos but I don't think they're a patch on previous editions, still a lot of talent there but I doubt they'd have the mental toughness yet. Ballybay are a well seasoned outfit so I wouldn't be surprised if they beat Cross.
A lot of talented young lads, plenty of older heads there like Morgan, Hughes and of course Aaron Kernan, not forgetting Clarke back in the fold as well plus obviously Rian O'Neill. Very interested to see how they get on in Ulster as they absolutely sailed through Armagh this year but Ballybay will be a big test.
Kilcoo will be laughing at these comments. They are the team to beat, know how to win without being flattering and scraped through a Down championship, Cross v them would be tasty.
Cross 1/3 or worse in betting.
Shane O'Neills 6/4 to beat Corduff in the IFC, could be worth a punt as they got out of jail bigtime in the Armagh Intermediate final.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2022, 09:14:48 AM
Cross 1/3 or worse in betting.
Shane O'Neills 6/4 to beat Corduff in the IFC, could be worth a punt as they got out of jail bigtime in the Armagh Intermediate final.
Loving the info!!
Keep the tit bits coming..
I've kids in college to feed ;D
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 09:07:46 AM
Kilcoo will be laughing at these comments. They are the team to beat, know how to win without being flattering and scraped through a Down championship, Cross v them would be tasty.
But for a goalkeeping error last year Glen would have beat Kilcoo. Glen looked a better team for most of that game in my opinion. There is very little in those two sides.
Quote from: Mario on October 31, 2022, 09:47:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 09:07:46 AM
Kilcoo will be laughing at these comments. They are the team to beat, know how to win without being flattering and scraped through a Down championship, Cross v them would be tasty.
But for a goalkeeping error last year Glen would have beat Kilcoo. Glen looked a better team for most of that game in my opinion. There is very little in those two sides.
The absence of Ciaran McFaul could be a huge factor in the Ulster Campaign
Playing better without him,
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 09:07:46 AM
Kilcoo will be laughing at these comments. They are the team to beat, know how to win without being flattering and scraped through a Down championship, Cross v them would be tasty.
Yeah would like to see that one. Kilcoo still the team to beat until proven otherwise and will be looking to retain their All Ireland, as the Cross boys will tell you, good teams win one but great teams win multiple. .
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 31, 2022, 12:08:52 PM
Playing better without him,
Aye they seemed to win derry at a canter this year, even more so than last.
BCB, what were the ages of the starting 15 for Cross in the County final?
Is it true errigal have 8 players that started yesterday on the tyrone panel?. That is some going for a team that are all Ireland contenders!
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 31, 2022, 02:11:25 PM
BCB, what were the ages of the starting 15 for Cross in the County final?
Not sure of exact ages but 10 would be 24 or under. Lads born in 1998 or later who played on the minor team that won Ulster plus a few additions. Very young squad, spread of ages but still very young.
Ballybay will fancy their chances. Going in under the radar after beating a fancied Scotstown, they have plenty of talent. It's well set for Glen, easier side of the draw and Kilcoo will have had a few tough ones to win to even make the final. It's written for them to win it this year, and you'd have to expect it as the inevitable after the underage success.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2022, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 31, 2022, 02:11:25 PM
BCB, what were the ages of the starting 15 for Cross in the County final?
Not sure of exact ages but 10 would be 24 or under. Lads born in 1998 or later who played on the minor team that won Ulster plus a few additions. Very young squad, spread of ages but still very young.
Ballybay will fancy their chances. Going in under the radar after beating a fancied Scotstown, they have plenty of talent. It's well set for Glen, easier side of the draw and Kilcoo will have had a few tough ones to win to even make the final. It's written for them to win it this year, and you'd have to expect it as the inevitable after the underage success.
All that post is missing is a few "ach shure lukit"s BCB1 😂😂
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Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 31, 2022, 02:11:25 PM
BCB, what were the ages of the starting 15 for Cross in the County final?
Not sure of exact ages but 10 would be 24 or under. Lads born in 1998 or later who played on the minor team that won Ulster plus a few additions. Very young squad, spread of ages but still very young.
Ballybay will fancy their chances. Going in under the radar after beating a fancied Scotstown, they have plenty of talent. It's well set for Glen, easier side of the draw and Kilcoo will have had a few tough ones to win to even make the final. It's written for them to win it this year, and you'd have to expect it as the inevitable after the underage success.
Fancied Scotstown?? Catch yourself BCB ;D we played them last year and they were very average. Therefore I'm expecting a comfortable victory for the Rangers on Sat night! Looking forward to your kick passing fudball :)
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2022, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 31, 2022, 02:11:25 PM
BCB, what were the ages of the starting 15 for Cross in the County final?
Not sure of exact ages but 10 would be 24 or under. Lads born in 1998 or later who played on the minor team that won Ulster plus a few additions. Very young squad, spread of ages but still very young.
Ballybay will fancy their chances. Going in under the radar after beating a fancied Scotstown, they have plenty of talent. It's well set for Glen, easier side of the draw and Kilcoo will have had a few tough ones to win to even make the final. It's written for them to win it this year, and you'd have to expect it as the inevitable after the underage success.
Fancied Scotstown?? Catch yourself BCB ;D we played them last year and they were very average. Therefore I'm expecting a comfortable victory for the Rangers on Sat night! Looking forward to your kick passing fudball :)
Sure even they beat Ballybay Walter im not sure theyll even bother fielding against Kilcoo 😉😃
I'd be surprised if Kilcoo won it this year. Hunger won't be the same. Glen's to lose. Hard to know what way Errigal are so that will be an interesting game.
Still wouldn't think Cross quite at the level yet though some Fergie isms being thrown in here from a Liverpool fan ;D
It generally takes horrible football to win these things so on that Glenties probably favourites :o
Its very hard to gauge the standards across county boundaries especially for teams that haven't competed at this level before. I always think that you need to win the first game after the county championship to feel your way into the new competition. As others have stated Cross are very suspect in defence but on the flip side I'd say that they have arguably the best attack left in this competition. Plus they have the history and tradition and will therefore not rest on their laurels. For that reason I think they will beat Ballybay and they themselves would then fancy their chances of upsetting Kilcoo. However whilst I'd love to see Cross beating Kilcoo in what would be a complete contrast of styles, I don't really see that happening.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 05:54:40 PM
I watched both the Tyrone & Fermanagh SFC finals yesterday - Errigal Ciaran are the only club in Tyrone with any sort of a provincial pedigree at senior level but other than Kilcoo, Glen was the worst team they could have got for their first round in Ulster IMO. The only good thing is that because of it, there should be no talk of them being favourites going into the game.
As for Enniskillen, their Fermanagh SFC final opponents (Erne Gaels) were a big disappointment - probably a case of "rabbit in the headlights" but there seemed to be not much drive or conviction in them and were also very stand-offish in comparison to Enniskillen whom were more aggressive in their tackling, played to their strengths and had their homework done as to whom to snuff out - Erne Gaels didn't appear to have any response to this - not to mention being more accurate in front of the posts. They have some good young players but it was hard to gauge just how good they were on that game alone. They beat Derrygonnelly in the semi-final by a point, but from seeing Derrygonnelly through the last few years they're a good winter footballing team. Enniskillen OTOH I'm not so sure are up to the same. Haven't a clue how they'll fare against Gowna, but I've doubts they'll make an immediate impact in Ulster to the point Derrygonnelly had done recently or Enniskillen had done back in the 90's/00's - maybe one to look out for more in future years if they stay at the top in their county.
Kilcoo just won their first all Ireland so they should be ripe for the plucking , even by a Tyrone team.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 05:54:40 PM
I watched both the Tyrone & Fermanagh SFC finals yesterday - Errigal Ciaran are the only club in Tyrone with any sort of a provincial pedigree at senior level but other than Kilcoo, Glen was the worst team they could have got for their first round in Ulster IMO. The only good thing is that because of it, there should be no talk of them being favourites going into the game.
As for Enniskillen, their Fermanagh SFC final opponents (Erne Gaels) were a big disappointment - probably a case of "rabbit in the headlights" but there seemed to be not much drive or conviction in them and were also very stand-offish in comparison to Enniskillen whom were more aggressive in their tackling, played to their strengths and had their homework done as to whom to snuff out - Erne Gaels didn't appear to have any response to this - not to mention being more accurate in front of the posts. They have some good young players but it was hard to gauge just how good they were on that game alone. They beat Derrygonnelly in the semi-final by a point, but from seeing Derrygonnelly through the last few years they're a good winter footballing team. Enniskillen OTOH I'm not so sure are up to the same. Haven't a clue how they'll fare against Gowna, but I've doubts they'll make an immediate impact in Ulster to the point Derrygonnelly had done recently or Enniskillen had done back in the 90's/00's - maybe one to look out for more in future years if they stay at the top in their county.
Would agree re Enniskillen. The team is very young and I'd fancy Gowna to beat them. That's not to say that in a few years they could become a very good team capable of competing well in Ulster.
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Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 05:54:40 PM
I watched both the Tyrone & Fermanagh SFC finals yesterday - Errigal Ciaran are the only club in Tyrone with any sort of a provincial pedigree at senior level but other than Kilcoo, Glen was the worst team they could have got for their first round in Ulster IMO. The only good thing is that because of it, there should be no talk of them being favourites going into the game.
As for Enniskillen, their Fermanagh SFC final opponents (Erne Gaels) were a big disappointment - probably a case of "rabbit in the headlights" but there seemed to be not much drive or conviction in them and were also very stand-offish in comparison to Enniskillen whom were more aggressive in their tackling, played to their strengths and had their homework done as to whom to snuff out - Erne Gaels didn't appear to have any response to this - not to mention being more accurate in front of the posts. They have some good young players but it was hard to gauge just how good they were on that game alone. They beat Derrygonnelly in the semi-final by a point, but from seeing Derrygonnelly through the last few years they're a good winter footballing team. Enniskillen OTOH I'm not so sure are up to the same. Haven't a clue how they'll fare against Gowna, but I've doubts they'll make an immediate impact in Ulster to the point Derrygonnelly had done recently or Enniskillen had done back in the 90's/00's - maybe one to look out for more in future years if they stay at the top in their county.
Would agree re Enniskillen. The team is very young and I'd fancy Gowna to beat them. That's not to say that in a few years they could become a very good team capable of competing well in Ulster.
Enniskillen school won a MacRory and also a Hogan maybe 4 or 5 years ago I think. Guessing a few of those lads would be playing?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2022, 08:05:22 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on October 31, 2022, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 05:54:40 PM
I watched both the Tyrone & Fermanagh SFC finals yesterday - Errigal Ciaran are the only club in Tyrone with any sort of a provincial pedigree at senior level but other than Kilcoo, Glen was the worst team they could have got for their first round in Ulster IMO. The only good thing is that because of it, there should be no talk of them being favourites going into the game.
As for Enniskillen, their Fermanagh SFC final opponents (Erne Gaels) were a big disappointment - probably a case of "rabbit in the headlights" but there seemed to be not much drive or conviction in them and were also very stand-offish in comparison to Enniskillen whom were more aggressive in their tackling, played to their strengths and had their homework done as to whom to snuff out - Erne Gaels didn't appear to have any response to this - not to mention being more accurate in front of the posts. They have some good young players but it was hard to gauge just how good they were on that game alone. They beat Derrygonnelly in the semi-final by a point, but from seeing Derrygonnelly through the last few years they're a good winter footballing team. Enniskillen OTOH I'm not so sure are up to the same. Haven't a clue how they'll fare against Gowna, but I've doubts they'll make an immediate impact in Ulster to the point Derrygonnelly had done recently or Enniskillen had done back in the 90's/00's - maybe one to look out for more in future years if they stay at the top in their county.
Would agree re Enniskillen. The team is very young and I'd fancy Gowna to beat them. That's not to say that in a few years they could become a very good team capable of competing well in Ulster.
Enniskillen school won a MacRory and also a Hogan maybe 4 or 5 years ago I think. Guessing a few of those lads would be playing?
About 3 of them, but bulk of team came from Ulster winning minor side a few years ago.
Was at a couple of Enniskillen Gael's games back in the noughties when they were going well, but they must have had a few lean years after that as I can remember Eskra trouncing them in the Ulster Intermediate 1st Rd in 2013.
Crossmaglen Ard Mhacha. Vs Ballybay Pearse Brothers
05 November in Athletic Grounds at 7.15pm
Can't see past Cross here. Cross by 4 points
Quarter Finals
Enniskillen Gaels Fear Manach vs Gowna An Cabhán
12 November in Brewster Park at 7.15pm
Hard one to call. Neither side have been at this stage for a long time. Siding with the Gaels as the game is in Brewster but only by the minimum. Enniskillen Gaels +1
Cargin Erin's Own Aontroim vs Naomh Conaill Dún na nGall
13 November Corrigan Park at 1.30pm
Going for Naomh Conaill as they look to have a wee bit more quality and beat a fancied St Eunan's side.
NC by +2
Glen Watty Graham's Doire vs Errigal Ciaran Tír Eoghain
13 November in Celtic Park at 3:30pm
Glen (despite the loss of McFaul) still way too strong for EC). Glen +3
Kilcoo An Dún vs Crossmaglen/Ballybay Ard Mhacha/Muineachán
13 November in Páírc Esler at the
Kilcoo should have been beat by Clonduff and struggled to beat the Point in the final. But the same could have been said about them in the Down SFC last year. Time is catching up on some of the senior players, but I still think they are better than either the Armagh or Monaghan champions.
Quote from: clarshack on October 31, 2022, 08:27:00 PM
Was at a couple of Enniskillen Gael's games back in the noughties when they were going well, but they must have had a few lean years after that as I can remember Eskra trouncing them in the Ulster Intermediate 1st Rd in 2013.
Yeah, they had to do a serious rebuilding job. In fairness they had a great side back in the late nineties/early noughties.
It's a fantastic competition
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2022, 09:23:54 PM
It's a fantastic competition
Genuinely looking forward to it this year and is wide open, Glen and Kilcoo favourites and will be nothing between them if they meet. Cross and EC probably just below that category but will fear no one, none of the other teams will lie down either I'm sure
Quote from: Saul goodman on October 30, 2022, 11:25:09 PM
Glen bound to feel the loss of Ciaran McFaul I think EC on paper anyway have more star quality than glen, guys like Petey Harte have all the skills but then my sensible head tells me Tyrone sides do crap in ulster and glen could grind them down
LOL
gowna were the last seed number 8 in the knockout stage of their championship and went on win the title the cavan championship they had to play number 1 seed cavan gaels who won 4 out of 4 in the league stage in quarter finals.
With that format on Donegal and cavan you could play a team twice in a row i think.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 01, 2022, 01:25:21 AM
gowna were the last seed number 8 in the knockout stage of their championship and went on win the title the cavan championship they had to play number 1 seed cavan gaels who won 4 out of 4 in the league stage in quarter finals.
Is Gowna the other half parish of Mullinalaghta?
Having seen EC playing a few times this year, I'd be very wary of them.
Defensively very strong, Peter Harte his playing some of his best ever football imo in MF and they have the 2 canavans up front.
I see EC vs Glen as a 50/50 and if anything, would almost give EC the nod. The advantage Glen have is the manager.
Best manager in club football and any county team would do well with him.
It's the pick of the games.
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Quote from: Eire90 on November 01, 2022, 01:25:21 AM
gowna were the last seed number 8 in the knockout stage of their championship and went on win the title the cavan championship they had to play number 1 seed cavan gaels who won 4 out of 4 in the league stage in quarter finals.
Is Gowna the other half parish of Mullinalaghta?
Yeah it is.
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Did O'Rourke manage EC and how close or involved is he currently with the club? Any family members playing for EC?
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Madness!
The Ulster Club is not something you just rock up and win having not played in it before. Glen were big favourites last year and found out themselves how hard it is when you come up against a team like Kilcoo who have been playing Ulster Club for 10 years!!
Errigal Ciaran are no doubt a good side but how you can say you can't see anyone getting close is madness!
Cargin/Glen/Kilcoo/Crossmaglen/Naomh Conall have all played Ulster over the last few years and will be no pushover in winter football.
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Tyrone clubs have an abysmal record when it comes to Ulster club championship so I'm not sure what you are basing this assertion on. If, as you suggest, they have 8 Tyrone county players then you'd have to ask the question where have they been up until now. Glen were narrowly beaten by Kilcoo last year in a game that could have easily went either way and for me they are the team to beat in this years competition.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 01, 2022, 02:23:26 PM
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Tyrone clubs have an abysmal record when it comes to Ulster club championship so I'm not sure what you are basing this assertion on. If, as you suggest, they have 8 Tyrone county players then you'd have to ask the question where have they been up until now. Glen were narrowly beaten by Kilcoo last year in a game that could have easily went either way and for me they are the team to beat in this years competition.
He's obviously winding. EC a very good side and may well win Ulster but it is literally wide open this year.
Yes cross errigal and Kilcoo will be hard to beat, but a new name on the trophy will not be a big surprise
Winner of glenties/cargin to be dark horses
Erigal give the ball up to often to put up a serious challenge to Kilcoo, Glen or even Naomh Conal where possession is king.
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Is this true?
I thought it was 8 Tyrone players across minor/u20/senior?
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 01, 2022, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Is this true?
I thought it was 8 Tyrone players across minor/u20/senior?
2 Canavans and Petey Harte. Who else?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2022, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 01, 2022, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Is this true?
I thought it was 8 Tyrone players across minor/u20/senior?
2 Canavans and Petey Harte. Who else?
Joe Oguz, ben mcdonnell, niall kelly, darragh mcanenly, cormac quinn
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 01, 2022, 03:04:54 PM
Yes cross errigal and Kilcoo will be hard to beat, but a new name on the trophy will not be a big surprise
Winner of glenties/cargin to be dark horses
I don't think Cargin will do any damage poor record in ulster- but hope I am wrong I would like to see them do well for antrim's sake. I would not watch that Glenties team if they were playing in the back yard. See paddypower have crossmaglen at 2/7 on to beat ballybay
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2022, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 01, 2022, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Is this true?
I thought it was 8 Tyrone players across minor/u20/senior?
2 Canavans and Petey Harte. Who else?
Joe Oguz, ben mcdonnell, niall kelly, darragh mcanenly, cormac quinn
Cormac Quinn? Not true.
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2022, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 01, 2022, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 01, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
For me it has to be Errigal. Eight men currently with Tyrone senior panel. On paper have been favourites for Tyrone championship every year and now they've got it finally over with I don't see Glen or anyone getting close.
Is this true?
I thought it was 8 Tyrone players across minor/u20/senior?
2 Canavans and Petey Harte. Who else?
Joe Oguz, ben mcdonnell, niall kelly, darragh mcanenly, cormac quinn
Who are they? 😂
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 01, 2022, 03:04:54 PM
Yes cross errigal and Kilcoo will be hard to beat, but a new name on the trophy will not be a big surprise
Winner of glenties/cargin to be dark horses
PP has Glen second favourites for the All-Iteland.
That was the same last year, they not playing as well (or within them selves) this Yr, it's not easy to turn on or off. Just hope they don't come in undercooked this year, as only Magherafelt gabe them a tight game for 40mins.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 01, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 01, 2022, 03:04:54 PM
Yes cross errigal and Kilcoo will be hard to beat, but a new name on the trophy will not be a big surprise
Winner of glenties/cargin to be dark horses
PP has Glen second favourites for the All-Iteland.
Here we go again
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Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 01, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 01, 2022, 03:04:54 PM
Yes cross errigal and Kilcoo will be hard to beat, but a new name on the trophy will not be a big surprise
Winner of glenties/cargin to be dark horses
PP has Glen second favourites for the All-Iteland.
Here we go again
What price are Glen to win the Ulster
bookie always wins
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2022, 09:10:06 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 01, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 01, 2022, 03:04:54 PM
Yes cross errigal and Kilcoo will be hard to beat, but a new name on the trophy will not be a big surprise
Winner of glenties/cargin to be dark horses
PP has Glen second favourites for the All-Iteland.
Here we go again
Fair enough probably as Kilcoo will always be longshots to retain it and Kilmacud have added Walsh. Would be interested to see how he'd get on against Kilcoo or Glen on a bad pitch, not too well I'd guess
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2022, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2022, 09:10:06 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 01, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 01, 2022, 03:04:54 PM
Yes cross errigal and Kilcoo will be hard to beat, but a new name on the trophy will not be a big surprise
Winner of glenties/cargin to be dark horses
PP has Glen second favourites for the All-Iteland.
Here we go again
Fair enough probably as Kilcoo will always be longshots to retain it and Kilmacud have added Walsh. Would be interested to see how he'd get on against Kilcoo or Glen on a bad pitch, not too well I'd guess
Probably more to do with the fact that the Dublin champions invariably win the Leinster club title whereas the likes of Glen and Kilcoo will have to negotiate 3 tough games to get through Ulster. If either Glen or Kilcoo played kilmacud tomorrow there would be very little between the sides.
The provincial championship could and probaly should start a weeks earlier. Tyrone were knocked out of the All Ireland series and played their Co final last weekend.
With all the rain the last few weeks the pitches will be in shite.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 10:41:22 AM
The provincial championship could and probaly should start a weeks earlier. Tyrone were knocked out of the All Ireland series and played their Co final last weekend.
With all the rain the last few weeks the pitches will be in shite.
In Tyrone, the county board played the league off before the championship started.
This is perfect for the clubs but it did cause the championship to run a bit later than would be ideal.
Ironically the u20s winning the All Ireland held up the start of the league which probably put everything back two or three weeks
Quote from: In hiding on November 02, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 10:41:22 AM
The provincial championship could and probaly should start a weeks earlier. Tyrone were knocked out of the All Ireland series and played their Co final last weekend.
With all the rain the last few weeks the pitches will be in shite.
In Tyrone, the county board played the league off before the championship started.
This is perfect for the clubs but it did cause the championship to run a bit later than would be ideal.
Ironically the u20s winning the All Ireland held up the start of the league which probably put everything back two or three weeks
Did they ?
Still league playoff for relegation and promotion ongoing in Tyrone as far as I know
Knocked out on June 5*.
I see Tyrone started their league at the end of May. That's a long for players to be waiting. Club players shouldn't be waiting until end of September to begin their club championship
Just wondering if it would be a good idea to hold these club championships as double headers on neutral grounds? Attendance wouldn't be an issue but pitches holding up might be a bigger problem. Just think it would be great to see 2 quarters on one day and possibly the semis as well?
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 12:44:22 PM
Knocked out on June 5*.
I see Tyrone started their league at the end of May. That's a long for players to be waiting. Club players shouldn't be waiting until end of September to begin their club championship
They haven't been waiting around. They have been playing the league which determines which championship they will be in next year.
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 02, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 10:41:22 AM
The provincial championship could and probaly should start a weeks earlier. Tyrone were knocked out of the All Ireland series and played their Co final last weekend.
With all the rain the last few weeks the pitches will be in shite.
In Tyrone, the county board played the league off before the championship started.
This is perfect for the clubs but it did cause the championship to run a bit later than would be ideal.
Ironically the u20s winning the All Ireland held up the start of the league which probably put everything back two or three weeks
Did they ?
Still league playoff for relegation and promotion ongoing in Tyrone as far as I know
Yes, league fixtures were completed. Play offs could not be completed until relevant teams were out of championship or the championship completed.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 12:44:22 PM
Knocked out on June 5*.
I see Tyrone started their league at the end of May. That's a long for players to be waiting. Club players shouldn't be waiting until end of September to begin their club championship
They haven't been waiting around. They have been playing the league which determines which championship they will be in next year.
I meant Tyrone didn't start the League's until middle of May. Why not play it earlier
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 12:44:22 PM
Knocked out on June 5*.
I see Tyrone started their league at the end of May. That's a long for players to be waiting. Club players shouldn't be waiting until end of September to begin their club championship
They haven't been waiting around. They have been playing the league which determines which championship they will be in next year.
I meant Tyrone didn't start the League's until middle of May. Why not play it earlier
with league and championship statuses linked in Tyrone, pretty much every league game is crucial and there is a max of 5 starred league games. It can't really start any earlier.
Quote from: clarshack on November 02, 2022, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 12:44:22 PM
Knocked out on June 5*.
I see Tyrone started their league at the end of May. That's a long for players to be waiting. Club players shouldn't be waiting until end of September to begin their club championship
They haven't been waiting around. They have been playing the league which determines which championship they will be in next year.
I meant Tyrone didn't start the League's until middle of May. Why not play it earlier
with league and championship statuses linked in Tyrone, pretty much every league game is crucial and there is a max of 5 starred league games. It can't really start any earlier.
Was the league not held up for a length of time because of Greencastle's controversy??
Quote from: clarshack on November 02, 2022, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 12:44:22 PM
Knocked out on June 5*.
I see Tyrone started their league at the end of May. That's a long for players to be waiting. Club players shouldn't be waiting until end of September to begin their club championship
They haven't been waiting around. They have been playing the league which determines which championship they will be in next year.
Hard to beat Armagh's way of doing it imo
I meant Tyrone didn't start the League's until middle of May. Why not play it earlier
with league and championship statuses linked in Tyrone, pretty much every league game is crucial and there is a max of 5 starred league games. It can't really start any earlier.
Crossmaglen vs Ballybay on RTE this Saturday.
Gowna vs Enniskillen Gaels rearranged the following weekend to the Saturday night I wonder is this due to RTE coverage also.
Overall it's a very competitive championship again it seems. In Leinster it doesn't appear Kilmacud will have much to stop them.
As good as Kilcoo are I don't think they will do it again, will be a tough ask for them to win Ulster I reckon.
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2022, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 02, 2022, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 12:44:22 PM
Knocked out on June 5*.
I see Tyrone started their league at the end of May. That's a long for players to be waiting. Club players shouldn't be waiting until end of September to begin their club championship
They haven't been waiting around. They have been playing the league which determines which championship they will be in next year.
I meant Tyrone didn't start the League's until middle of May. Why not play it earlier
with league and championship statuses linked in Tyrone, pretty much every league game is crucial and there is a max of 5 starred league games. It can't really start any earlier.
Was the league not held up for a length of time because of Greencastle's controversy??
In summary, after the appeal and DRA involvement, what happened in the Greencastle case? Did they play an ineligible player and if so, why was it ok?
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2022, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 02, 2022, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2022, 12:44:22 PM
Knocked out on June 5*.
I see Tyrone started their league at the end of May. That's a long for players to be waiting. Club players shouldn't be waiting until end of September to begin their club championship
They haven't been waiting around. They have been playing the league which determines which championship they will be in next year.
I meant Tyrone didn't start the League's until middle of May. Why not play it earlier
with league and championship statuses linked in Tyrone, pretty much every league game is crucial and there is a max of 5 starred league games. It can't really start any earlier.
Was the league not held up for a length of time because of Greencastle's controversy??
The league was held up to allow the u20s to win the All Ireland in peace
Quote from: full moon on November 02, 2022, 02:50:18 PM
Crossmaglen vs Ballybay on RTE this Saturday.
Gowna vs Enniskillen Gaels rearranged the following weekend to the Saturday night I wonder is this due to RTE coverage also.
Nemo Commercials is the rte game the following saturday
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JFC Quarter Final Teconnaught v Stewartstown Harps
3pm Páirc Esler
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IHC Quarter Final Liatroim Fontenoys v Castleblayney Hurling Club 5.15pm Páirc Esler
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JHC Quarter Final Na Magha v Cumann Peadar Naofa Warrenpoint 1.45pm Celtic Park
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SFC Quarter Final Enniskillen Gaels v Gowna 7.15pm Brewster Park
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Glen Maghera V Errigal Ciaran must be the TG4 pick on 13th November then, as its not listed amongst that offer
Quote from: God14 on November 03, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Glen Maghera V Errigal Ciaran must be the TG4 pick on 13th November then, as its not listed amongst that offer
Sorry who :-X
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 03, 2022, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: God14 on November 03, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Glen Maghera V Errigal Ciaran must be the TG4 pick on 13th November then, as its not listed amongst that offer
Sorry who :-X
Rub it up ye... I've had enough of you hoors calling us Draperstown over the years!!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 03, 2022, 11:52:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 03, 2022, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: God14 on November 03, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Glen Maghera V Errigal Ciaran must be the TG4 pick on 13th November then, as its not listed amongst that offer
Sorry who :-X
Rub it up ye... I've had enough of you hoors calling us Draperstown over the years!!!
;D I thought youse split to form Tobermore GAC
Quote from: full moon on November 02, 2022, 02:50:18 PM
Crossmaglen vs Ballybay on RTE this Saturday.
Gowna vs Enniskillen Gaels rearranged the following weekend to the Saturday night I wonder is this due to RTE coverage also.
Ballybay always remind me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqu2mwPdkGE
Would any managers get sacked on poor provincial performances or is it the case we have won county anything else a bonus talking about all provinces.
Current Ulster Club SFC odds
1. Watty Grahams Glen 6/4
2. Kilcoo 5/2
3. Crossmaglen Rangers 9/2
4. Naomh Conaill 8/1
5. Errigal Ciaran 11/1
6. Gowna 20/1
7=. Cargin 33/1
7=. Ballybay Pearse Brothers 33/1
7=. Enniskillen Gaels 33/1
Source: Paddy Power
Quote from: seafoid on November 03, 2022, 12:44:30 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 02, 2022, 02:50:18 PM
Crossmaglen vs Ballybay on RTE this Saturday.
Gowna vs Enniskillen Gaels rearranged the following weekend to the Saturday night I wonder is this due to RTE coverage also.
Ballybay always remind me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqu2mwPdkGE
Main Street will be around to you! ;)
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 03, 2022, 09:08:46 PM
Current Ulster Club SFC odds
1. Watty Grahams Glen 6/4
2. Kilcoo 5/2
3. Crossmaglen Rangers 9/2
4. Naomh Conaill 8/1
5. Errigal Ciaran 11/1
6. Gowna 20/1
7=. Cargin 33/1
7=. Ballybay Pearse Brothers 33/1
7=. Enniskillen Gaels 33/1
Source: Paddy Power
Crazy how much difference there is in Cross and Ballybay in the betting. That will be a tight game I reckon
Will Errigal be any use to Glen? You're looking at a lot shorter than 11/1 if they were to spring an upset Sunday week.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 03, 2022, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 03, 2022, 09:08:46 PM
Current Ulster Club SFC odds
1. Watty Grahams Glen 6/4
2. Kilcoo 5/2
3. Crossmaglen Rangers 9/2
4. Naomh Conaill 8/1
5. Errigal Ciaran 11/1
6. Gowna 20/1
7=. Cargin 33/1
7=. Ballybay Pearse Brothers 33/1
7=. Enniskillen Gaels 33/1
Source: Paddy Power
Crazy how much difference there is in Cross and Ballybay in the betting. That will be a tight game I reckon
PP have Cross 2/7 and Ballybay 7/2.
Cross certainly don't have the mental toughness or class of previous teams, if things aren't going their way I doubt they'll eke it out against a seasoned side - but they've certainly got the firepower to blow Ballybay away as well.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 03, 2022, 11:39:37 PM
Cross certainly don't have the mental toughness or class of previous teams, if things aren't going their way I doubt they'll eke it out against a seasoned side - but they've certainly got the firepower to blow Ballybay away as well.
They haven't got the experience at this level (yet) but they definitely are filled with class. Rian O'Neill is as good a footballer as you're likely to see, Cian McConville gave an exhibition in the county final and thats without mentioning evergreen Aaron Kernan, Morgan and Jamie Clarke to name a few. Remains to be seen how they'll get on in a tight match against a seasoned team- really hope they get over Ballybay as would be really interested to see how they would do vs Kilcoo.
Quote from: Ghost on November 03, 2022, 10:03:11 PM
Will Errigal be any use to Glen? You're looking at a lot shorter than 11/1 if they were to spring an upset Sunday week.
The 1 thing id say in this is Errigal won't sit back and try and ruin the game the way most Derry teams do against Glen. They'll go for it and it gives Glen something to think about with the 2 Canavans, I think glen come through by a couple of points though but be tight. stuck £10 on EC for ulster anyway as think the winner will come from this and there's no value in betting Glen
Lads there's a serious underestimating of Kilcoo on here. No team in Ulster will match them for pure dogged hunger and determination to get a result by any means necessary. Their collective experience will stand to them like few other teams in Ulster. The 2 Canavans would be food and drink to the Brannigan boys in Kilcoo if they met.
I quite fancy Ballybay to take Crossmaglen. at 33-1 for Ulster Ballybay has some serious value. Cross have firepower to be sure but they arent as hot as many would have you believe. After McConville and O'Neill they are an ordinary team. Ballybay will be well prepped for them. Thats gonna be a battle.
Watty Grahams will have sights on the Ulster Title and another bite out of Kilcoo but they could get tripped up if they are looking too far ahead. Plus McFaul's loss is huge, no two ways about it.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2022, 11:46:53 AM
Lads there's a serious underestimating of Kilcoo on here. No team in Ulster will match them for pure dogged hunger and determination to get a result by any means necessary. Their collective experience will stand to them like few other teams in Ulster. The 2 Canavans would be food and drink to the Brannigan boys in Kilcoo if they met.
I quite fancy Ballybay to take Crossmaglen. at 33-1 for Ulster Ballybay has some serious value. Cross have firepower to be sure but they arent as hot as many would have you believe. After McConville and O'Neill they are an ordinary team. Ballybay will be well prepped for them. Thats gonna be a battle.
Watty Grahams will have sights on the Ulster Title and another bite out of Kilcoo but they could get tripped up if they are looking too far ahead. Plus McFaul's loss is huge, no two ways about it.
Completely agree on this. No team ever got anything easy against Kilcoo and I do think as good as the Canavan lads are they'd get a rude awakening against Kilcoo if they did meet.
Said same meself last year about Kilcoo. Most of the talk was about Glen (who i hope win it) while Kilcoo went about their work. The team that bates Kilcoo wins it. Maybe 😉😃
Would be seriously surprised if the winner didn't come from Glen or Kilcoo. Not only best teams in the competition but best management set ups as well.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2022, 11:46:53 AM
I quite fancy Ballybay to take Crossmaglen. at 33-1 for Ulster Ballybay has some serious value. Cross have firepower to be sure but they arent as hot as many would have you believe. After McConville and O'Neill they are an ordinary team. Ballybay will be well prepped for them. Thats gonna be a battle.
I wouldn't be so dismissive of Crossmaglen. They're not quite the vintage team of old but to describe them as ordinary outside of two players is a bit naive.
Rian and Cian are two exceptional players that would walk any club team in the country. As well as them you have Jamie Clarke who is still a huge threat, Aaron Kernan is an experienced and well honed operator and you've also a pig of a man like James Morgan in defence. Add in Calum Cumiskey and Stephen Morris, two seasoned players as well as the new crop that are coming through.
Any team that wins Monaghan is a serious outfit and Ballybay deserve credit for overcoming Scotstown after a decade of trying. I just think that having been beaten in a few finals recently (by 10 pts in 2020 - don't think Cross have ever been beaten by 10 pts in championship football in the last 20 never mind 10 years) Ballybay might be a bit more susceptible if things go against them, Cross on the other hand have done exceptionally well getting out of Armagh this year.
I agree on Kilcoo, they'll be waiting in the long grass; regardless of who wins it will be an intriguing tie against the magpies.
I don't think anyone underestimates Kilcoo. They will be very hard to beat. I think Ballybay will put it up to them, particularly with the whole Johnston factor but ultimately Kilcoo will win. They will make the final but Glen will ultimately win it. It's their year
When was the last Monaghan team to win Ulster club?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2022, 12:53:40 PM
When was the last Monaghan team to win Ulster club?
Blayney 1991
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 04, 2022, 12:52:02 PM
I don't think anyone underestimates Kilcoo. They will be very hard to beat. I think Ballybay will put it up to them, particularly with the whole Johnston factor but ultimately Kilcoo will win. They will make the final but Glen will ultimately win it. It's their year
"Ach shure lookit we're just happy to be involved in the thing. Weve no expectations other than givin a good account of ourselves"
😉😃
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 03, 2022, 09:08:46 PM
Current Ulster Club SFC odds
1. Watty Grahams Glen 6/4
2. Kilcoo 5/2
3. Crossmaglen Rangers 9/2
4. Naomh Conaill 8/1
5. Errigal Ciaran 11/1
6. Gowna 20/1
7=. Cargin 33/1
7=. Ballybay Pearse Brothers 33/1
7=. Enniskillen Gaels 33/1
Source: Paddy Power
I'm not quite sure how Glen are 6/4 and Kilcoo 5/2. There is nothing between those 2 sides and I'd expect them to meet in the final if thats the way the draw pans out.
Also think Cross are third favourites on reputation only. The Ulster club will come too early for them but I reckon they will beat Ballybay easily and they certainly won't lie down against Kilcoo either. I do think it could be the start of another run for Cross in Armagh though as they have the right age profile.
The outsider I'd be most wary of is Naomh Conaill, they might be dour but they will be extremely hard to play against in winter conditions.
I cannot see Ballybay beating Cross. Boylesporrts are giving 5/4 for Cross to win both halves, which is about the best value i can see.
Quote from: bannside on November 04, 2022, 12:29:45 PM
Would be seriously surprised if the winner didn't come from Glen or Kilcoo. Not only best teams in the competition but best management set ups as well.
Rumours of discontent with the Kilcoo management since Moran left, maybe false but apparently the training wasn't tough enough for some of the lads
Quote from: yellowcard on November 04, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 03, 2022, 09:08:46 PM
Current Ulster Club SFC odds
1. Watty Grahams Glen 6/4
2. Kilcoo 5/2
3. Crossmaglen Rangers 9/2
4. Naomh Conaill 8/1
5. Errigal Ciaran 11/1
6. Gowna 20/1
7=. Cargin 33/1
7=. Ballybay Pearse Brothers 33/1
7=. Enniskillen Gaels 33/1
Source: Paddy Power
I'm not quite sure how Glen are 6/4 and Kilcoo 5/2. There is nothing between those 2 sides and I'd expect them to meet in the final if thats the way the draw pans out.
Also think Cross are third favourites on reputation only. The Ulster club will come too early for them but I reckon they will beat Ballybay easily and they certainly won't lie down against Kilcoo either. I do think it could be the start of another run for Cross in Armagh though as they have the right age profile.
The outsider I'd be most wary of is Naomh Conaill, they might be dour but they will be extremely hard to play against in winter conditions.
Glen is in Derry. As soon as a Derry team wins a championship, a wall of money follows it. Derry were unbackable after they won Ulster in the summer,,
Errigal the value
Quote from: seafoid on November 04, 2022, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 04, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 03, 2022, 09:08:46 PM
Current Ulster Club SFC odds
1. Watty Grahams Glen 6/4
2. Kilcoo 5/2
3. Crossmaglen Rangers 9/2
4. Naomh Conaill 8/1
5. Errigal Ciaran 11/1
6. Gowna 20/1
7=. Cargin 33/1
7=. Ballybay Pearse Brothers 33/1
7=. Enniskillen Gaels 33/1
Source: Paddy Power
I'm not quite sure how Glen are 6/4 and Kilcoo 5/2. There is nothing between those 2 sides and I'd expect them to meet in the final if thats the way the draw pans out.
Also think Cross are third favourites on reputation only. The Ulster club will come too early for them but I reckon they will beat Ballybay easily and they certainly won't lie down against Kilcoo either. I do think it could be the start of another run for Cross in Armagh though as they have the right age profile.
The outsider I'd be most wary of is Naomh Conaill, they might be dour but they will be extremely hard to play against in winter conditions.
Glen is in Derry. As soon as a Derry team wins a championship, a wall of money follows it. Derry were unbackable after they won Ulster in the summer,,
But its backed up with Derry clubs form in Ulster. as a collective of clubs, they do very well, as opposed to Cross for nearly all of Armagh wins and EC being the only Tyrone club team to be competitive in Ulster
Armagh and Derry are level in terms of Ulster club victories, but Armaghs titles are from 3 different clubs: Cross 11, Clan na gael 3 and Mullaghbawn 1
Derry's titles are from 7 different clubs: Bellaghy 4, Ballinderry 4, Slaughtneil 3, Lavey 2, Dungiven 1, An Lub 1 and Ballerin 1
Derry is the strongest county club level full stop. Glen odds on to become club no 8
Quote from: Estimator on November 04, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
Armagh and Derry are level in terms of Ulster club victories, but Armaghs titles are from 3 different clubs: Cross 11, Clan na gael 3 and Mullaghbawn 1
Derry's titles are from 7 different clubs: Bellaghy 4, Ballinderry 4, Slaughtneil 3, Lavey 2, Dungiven 1, An Lub 1 and Ballerin 1
Outside of Cross, forget about Armagh Clubs in Ulster at all levels. I think Blackwatertown won a junior in 2010 and since that we've barely won a game at junior intermediate or senior in donkeys years. (Clan Eireann won a game or 2 last year and will definitely challenge Cross as top dogs in Armagh in the future). Tyrone and Monaghan seem to be top dogs at intermediate and junior level
Quote from: Estimator on November 04, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
Armagh and Derry are level in terms of Ulster club victories, but Armaghs titles are from 3 different clubs: Cross 11, Clan na gael 3 and Mullaghbawn 1
Derry's titles are from 7 different clubs: Bellaghy 4, Ballinderry 4, Slaughtneil 3, Lavey 2, Dungiven 1, An Lub 1 and Ballerin 1
remarkable stat that
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 04, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
Derry is the strongest county club level full stop. Glen odds on to become club no 8
BCB if you are ever short on work lad give us a shout. PR job at the club could be yours!!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 04, 2022, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 04, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
Derry is the strongest county club level full stop. Glen odds on to become club no 8
BCB if you are ever short on work lad give us a shout. PR job at the club could be yours!!!
I've been spinning the same auld yarn year in year and poor mouthing us but more often then not I'm wrong! Still think we are a year or 2 early to win it this year
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2022, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 04, 2022, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 04, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 03, 2022, 09:08:46 PM
Current Ulster Club SFC odds
1. Watty Grahams Glen 6/4
2. Kilcoo 5/2
3. Crossmaglen Rangers 9/2
4. Naomh Conaill 8/1
5. Errigal Ciaran 11/1
6. Gowna 20/1
7=. Cargin 33/1
7=. Ballybay Pearse Brothers 33/1
7=. Enniskillen Gaels 33/1
Source: Paddy Power
I'm not quite sure how Glen are 6/4 and Kilcoo 5/2. There is nothing between those 2 sides and I'd expect them to meet in the final if thats the way the draw pans out.
Also think Cross are third favourites on reputation only. The Ulster club will come too early for them but I reckon they will beat Ballybay easily and they certainly won't lie down against Kilcoo either. I do think it could be the start of another run for Cross in Armagh though as they have the right age profile.
The outsider I'd be most wary of is Naomh Conaill, they might be dour but they will be extremely hard to play against in winter conditions.
Glen is in Derry. As soon as a Derry team wins a championship, a wall of money follows it. Derry were unbackable after they won Ulster in the summer,,
But its backed up with Derry clubs form in Ulster. as a collective of clubs, they do very well, as opposed to Cross for nearly all of Armagh wins and EC being the only Tyrone club team to be competitive in Ulster
Club generally is about doing the iterations until your turn comes. Kilcoo didn't win the all -Ireland on the first attempt.
Quote from: seafoid on November 04, 2022, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2022, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 04, 2022, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 04, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 03, 2022, 09:08:46 PM
Current Ulster Club SFC odds
1. Watty Grahams Glen 6/4
2. Kilcoo 5/2
3. Crossmaglen Rangers 9/2
4. Naomh Conaill 8/1
5. Errigal Ciaran 11/1
6. Gowna 20/1
7=. Cargin 33/1
7=. Ballybay Pearse Brothers 33/1
7=. Enniskillen Gaels 33/1
Source: Paddy Power
I'm not quite sure how Glen are 6/4 and Kilcoo 5/2. There is nothing between those 2 sides and I'd expect them to meet in the final if thats the way the draw pans out.
Also think Cross are third favourites on reputation only. The Ulster club will come too early for them but I reckon they will beat Ballybay easily and they certainly won't lie down against Kilcoo either. I do think it could be the start of another run for Cross in Armagh though as they have the right age profile.
The outsider I'd be most wary of is Naomh Conaill, they might be dour but they will be extremely hard to play against in winter conditions.
Glen is in Derry. As soon as a Derry team wins a championship, a wall of money follows it. Derry were unbackable after they won Ulster in the summer,,
But its backed up with Derry clubs form in Ulster. as a collective of clubs, they do very well, as opposed to Cross for nearly all of Armagh wins and EC being the only Tyrone club team to be competitive in Ulster
Club generally is about doing the iterations until your turn comes. Kilcoo didn't win the all -Ireland on the first attempt.
I was there when they started the journey though, you could see the hunger but that was possibly 8 or 9 years ago
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 04, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
Derry is the strongest county club level full stop. Glen odds on to become club no 8
At senior level yes. I don't think they've ever won a Junior.
Same goes for Antrim by the way. Their 4 senior titles are diminished by the paltry St Enda's effort at lower levels.
Antrim and football shouldn't be in the same sentence
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 04, 2022, 11:34:06 PM
Antrim and football shouldn't be in the same sentence
In Ulster club thread or just in general?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2022, 11:36:47 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 04, 2022, 11:34:06 PM
Antrim and football shouldn't be in the same sentence
In Ulster club thread or just in general?
In general. Brutal. Wouldn't know if it's stuffed or pumped
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 04, 2022, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2022, 11:36:47 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 04, 2022, 11:34:06 PM
Antrim and football shouldn't be in the same sentence
In Ulster club thread or just in general?
In general. Brutal. Wouldn't know if it's stuffed or pumped
So brutal at inter county I admit but in the grand scheme of things still won more Ulster championships that Derry
1 0 Derry. Easier than anticipated there tbh. Fear hooks old fish who should know better
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 04, 2022, 11:47:01 PM
1 0 Derry. Easier than anticipated there tbh. Fear hooks old fish who should know better
Ah now I was trying to wind him in!! But you've let him off the hook! :D
I had you Milltown. Next time a chara!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 04, 2022, 11:51:09 PM
I had you Milltown. Next time a chara!
I'm not too sure to be honest 8)
Derry hurling is pathetic ::)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2022, 11:55:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 04, 2022, 11:51:09 PM
I had you Milltown. Next time a chara!
I'm not too sure to be honest 8)
Derry hurling is pathetic ::)
Jesus I'm bubbling here, dying to say "aye but"
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 03, 2022, 09:10:28 PM
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Quote from: full moon on November 02, 2022, 02:50:18 PM
Crossmaglen vs Ballybay on RTE this Saturday.
Gowna vs Enniskillen Gaels rearranged the following weekend to the Saturday night I wonder is this due to RTE coverage also.
Ballybay always remind me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqu2mwPdkGE
Main Street will be around to you! ;)
No complaints from me about Tommy Makem and the only known popular song (almost folk legendary) about the town of Ballybay
Just don't call me a Clontibrian!!
Ballybay Pearse Brothers have had their best season in decades in terms of dominating the county, partly due to opposing clubs having dropped their standards. The county final performance was just brilliant, totally outplayed Scotstown all over the pitch and now live on national tv on saturday night, dizzy times indeed.
However their cup already overfloweth, I'd say no chance of winning this game, the Wylie brothers in defense will certainly have their hands full.
I bought the pass, logged in to watch Shane O'Neill's v Corduff, not even on ffs
Very soft penalty for Ballybay who have rightly had a black card issued against them too
Any links?
I'm stateside and won't let me view
Great competitive game so far. Bit of wayward shooting on bith sides, but very enjoyable.
Gas to see former county players, long retired, Paul Finlay and Michael Hannon still playing club at this level
Refs never seem to be able to help themselves with how they use the black card.
Very good game of football.
Bally bay are a serious team; they attack with genuine intent.
The black there for cross against the wind in 2nd half could be costly
Entertaining game, you'd have to fancy Ballybay with the wind.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 05, 2022, 07:46:18 PM
Refs never seem to be able to help themselves with how they use the black card.
Very good game of football.
Bally bay are a serious team; they attack with genuine intent.
They defend with intent too, probably the slightly more disciplined of the two sides. Everything to play for now.
Soft penalty aside, Ballybay start was a bit rough and they were letting Cross attack with too much ease, and couldn't get the most out of their own attacks. They grew into the game more though and tightened up both those things, and it was a close 2nd quarter. Rian O'Neill lucky not to get a black, but Cross will still be down a man for 10 minutes now. Ballybay need to take advantage especially with the wind.
If Ballybay can nab a goal or two from their crafty attacking play, who knows. They're a competently coached, confident disciplined team and are well shod of their previous desperate defensive coached ways.
The goalie should have done better perhaps and deflected that goal bound shot.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 05, 2022, 07:51:05 PM
Rian O'Neill got away with one too.
Nothing new there.
I thought his was the correct decision. Thought the other two were wrong. Particularly O'Callaghans.
How long is Oisin ONeill likely to be out. He must have suffered a dreadful injury, missed a lot of football.
Jap is still a class act
He has a few years left in him, our Stanley Mathews?
Cross' discipline is poor and tackling technique is primitive.
Fair to say Ballybay have used their man advantage well for these 10 minutes
Quote from: Schkite on November 05, 2022, 08:12:10 PM
Fair to say Ballybay have used their man advantage well for these 10 minutes
I think they've scored 1-06 to Cross single point, during the black card.
Dessie Ward outstanding.
Yeah Ward has been everywhere, fantastic performance
Paul Finlay is just getting warmed up.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 05, 2022, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on November 05, 2022, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 05, 2022, 07:51:05 PM
Rian O'Neill got away with one too.
Nothing new there.
I thought his was the correct decision. Thought the other two were wrong. Particularly O'Callaghans.
You don't think either was a deliberate body collide?
I do but you missed the second part of the offence. He hadn't just played the ball nor was he taken out of the movement of the play.
Master class by Ballybay, Cross look clueless and didn't manage that period after half time at all
Ballybay have really taken the second half by the roots. Cross have no answer and can't cope with the tempo
Very impressive from Ballybay.
Serious amount of ill discipline in this Cross team, perfectly summed up by that mouthing by Clarke which lost them a free
Ballybay on the other hand are looking like a well oiled machine all over the pitch, you wouldn't think this is the team that just won their first county title in 10 years
Strange to see O'Neill trying to put Drew Wylie off his game ;D
Wonder will the manager (joint) step aside for the Kilcoo game, assuming they hold out here.
Ballybay much better that cross and very impressive. Cross are well off the pace.
Ballybay in fairness to them stepped it up 2nd half and Crossmaglen had no answer, Paul Finlay near 40 years young showed all of his experience and deserving of the MOTM award. Lessons to learn for Crossmaglen who have a lot of improving to do defensively if they are to get back close to the level they use to be.
Jap proving that class is indeed permanent, he rolled back the years with that performance. It was a deserving MOTM award, but Dessie Ward would have also been worthy of it, he put in a phenomenal shift. The whole Ballybay team were great for that 2nd half especially though.
Ballybay pride ;D
Considering their available talent, Cross were píss poor in attitude, discipline and tactics.
Brilliant from Ballybay.
A lesson in how to make a black card count. Ward and Jap immense.
Ballybay ,despite playing very little in ulster, played like a seasoned side. They were a bit cuter than cross in many ways too which you could see in Clarke's frustrations. Some handy footballers in there and good experience from the Monaghan setup too. Finlay still mobile as well as smart. The cross black that led to the ballynah dominant period was absolutely needless too.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 03, 2022, 06:29:37 PM
Would any managers get sacked on poor provincial performances or is it the case we have won county anything else a bonus talking about all provinces.
Stephen Kernan might test that after that Cross performance.
There's me told!! :o
All Cross's slabbering about having Ulster title and beyond in their sights comes back to bite them. Got a complete lesson in football in the 2nd half. You never look beyond your next match.
Cross struck me as a team that think they are better than they are. Didn't give Ballybay much respect, especially at start of 2nd half when they should have been doing 10mins of slowing match down.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2022, 11:46:53 AM
Lads there's a serious underestimating of Kilcoo on here. No team in Ulster will match them for pure dogged hunger and determination to get a result by any means necessary. Their collective experience will stand to them like few other teams in Ulster. The 2 Canavans would be food and drink to the Brannigan boys in Kilcoo if they met.
I quite fancy Ballybay to take Crossmaglen. at 33-1 for Ulster Ballybay has some serious value. Cross have firepower to be sure but they arent as hot as many would have you believe. After McConville and O'Neill they are an ordinary team. Ballybay will be well prepped for them. Thats gonna be a battle.
Watty Grahams will have sights on the Ulster Title and another bite out of Kilcoo but they could get tripped up if they are looking too far ahead. Plus McFaul's loss is huge, no two ways about it.
Great call.
Cross tonight looked like a team that hadn't won a championship in 10 years.
Ballybay full value for the win, they were exceptional in the second half. Cross came off second best in every department. The naivety from the management was badly exposed. When Cross scored their goal a Ballybay man was down "injured". Basic stuff. When Cross were down to 14 it was BAU. Unbelievable.
Quote from: square_ball on November 05, 2022, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 03, 2022, 06:29:37 PM
Would any managers get sacked on poor provincial performances or is it the case we have won county anything else a bonus talking about all provinces.
Stephen Kernan might test that after that Cross performance.
He'll be away I reckon.
Ballybay very deserving winners. I couldn't believe they were 7/2, a team with serious experience and quality.
Cross looked green as grass, they lost 2 County Finals in recent years due to niaviety on the line as much as on the pitch and that game was lost in the 10 minutes after HT when Cross were down a man.. I don't think they have the quality players of previous years (& an emotional looking Aaron Kernan might have played his last), but they will continue to come out of Armagh on a regular basis. It'll be interesting to see what happens on the management front over the winter.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 05, 2022, 08:42:42 PM
Ballybay ,despite playing very little in ulster, played like a seasoned side. They were a bit cuter than cross in many ways too which you could see in Clarke's frustrations. Some handy footballers in there and good experience from the Monaghan setup too. Finlay still mobile as well as smart. The cross black that led to the ballynah dominant period was absolutely needless too.
Ballybay imo have been the great underachievers in Monaghan football in modern times, they've had quality footballers for a long time now, but before this year, the 2012 title was their only county championship since the 80s. This group should probably have won at least another couple titles in there somewhere. So while they don't have the provincial experience, they have a talented group there: most notably Finlay, the Wylies, Ward - but also the likes of Kerr, McGuiness's etc
I think they'll give Kilcoo a good rattle.
Ballybay worthy winners. Fair play to them. They will give Kilcoo some headaches
Quote from: OrchardOrange on November 05, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
All Cross's slabbering about having Ulster title and beyond in their sights comes back to bite them. Got a complete lesson in football in the 2nd half. You never look beyond your next match.
Ah that's unfair. Any cross lad I've spoken too were of the thought it's a year or two off yet.
Quote from: charlieTully on November 05, 2022, 09:12:14 PM
Quote from: OrchardOrange on November 05, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
All Cross's slabbering about having Ulster title and beyond in their sights comes back to bite them. Got a complete lesson in football in the 2nd half. You never look beyond your next match.
Ah that's unfair. Any cross lad I've spoken too were of the thought it's a year or two off yet.
Agreed. Don't know where that notion came from.
Better team on the night won. This ideation of our senior team is on its first steps. Armagh is an achievement for them but there's a lot more in them.
Best of luck Ballybay, use tonight as a platform. The direct running was hard to counteract tonight and Jap was a class act. Won't get as much space in the next game though so be ready for that.
While I thought Cross would beat Ballybay it was more based on the fact that new county champions quite often struggle to refocus when it comes to provincial competition. Ballybay firmly knocked that on the head tonight with a very impressive display. They were physically strong, played a good mix of running and kicking and their game management was top class. Cross on the other hand never really performed and it was they who looked like the novices. Most Armagh folk would recognise that this is not the Cross team of old, they just don't have those dogs of war that you need when you come up against stiffer opposition. But they are a relatively young side and will be better for the experience and are still the team to beat in Armagh.
It should be noted that 'Jap' is a derogative nickname, dating back to the more primitive 1960s when Paul's father was so labelled due to physical feature and out of total ignorance.
His dad did not appreciate the nickname 'Jap' and it follows most certainly that his son should not be labeled so.
Has anybody even ventured to question their usage of the nickname 'Jap'?
They using the term on TV their, commentators I heard for years Paul Finlay called tgst on the radio during ganes
Id like to apologise for all the "ach shure lookits" directed at bcb1. It does appear now that he wasnt jesting. I will learn from this
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 05, 2022, 09:31:13 PM
They using the term on TV their, commentators I heard for years Paul Finlay called tgst on the radio during ganes
I appreciate that but them using the term is their total ignorance.
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
It should be noted that 'Jap' is a derogative nickname, dating back to the more primitive 1960s when Paul's father was so labelled due to physical feature and out of total ignorance.
His dad did not appreciate the nickname 'Jap' and it follows most certainly that his son should not be labeled so.
Has anybody even ventured to question their usage of the nickname 'Jap'?
I did wonder about that. Kind of thing that gets you cancelled :o
Does the number 11 mcguinness for ballybay get in the Monaghan panel. Handy enough player there too.
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
It should be noted that 'Jap' is a derogative nickname, dating back to the more primitive 1960s when Paul's father was so labelled due to physical feature and out of total ignorance.
His dad did not appreciate the nickname 'Jap' and it follows most certainly that his son should not be labeled so.
Has anybody even ventured to question their usage of the nickname 'Jap'?
Everything that's wrong with the word in one post. And it's not the nickname.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 05, 2022, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
It should be noted that 'Jap' is a derogative nickname, dating back to the more primitive 1960s when Paul's father was so labelled due to physical feature and out of total ignorance.
His dad did not appreciate the nickname 'Jap' and it follows most certainly that his son should not be labeled so.
Has anybody even ventured to question their usage of the nickname 'Jap'?
I did wonder about that. Kind of thing that gets you cancelled :o
Does the number 11 mcguinness for ballybay get in the Monaghan panel. Handy enough player there too.
Cancelling is not the issue here, but education.
Once educated, cancelling does not apply.
Chris McGuinness is a tasty player, he's been in the Monaghan panel, has played at county senior level, we'll see how it progresses under the new management.
Was Chris 11 - it was the other mcguinness I meant who I thought was 11?
Quite a few good players on the Ballybay team. Finlay still a good player. Wylie still a bollocks - and I mean that in appreciation . 14 and 12 had good games.
Some great fielding by Stephen Morris tonight also.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 05, 2022, 10:05:21 PM
Was Chris 11 - it was the other mcguinness I meant who I thought was 11?
Chris was 14, Shane was 11 - who I'm not sure has ever had a proper run in the county panel as far as I remember
Quote from: thewobbler on November 05, 2022, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
It should be noted that 'Jap' is a derogative nickname, dating back to the more primitive 1960s when Paul's father was so labelled due to physical feature and out of total ignorance.
His dad did not appreciate the nickname 'Jap' and it follows most certainly that his son should not be labeled so.
Has anybody even ventured to question their usage of the nickname 'Jap'?
Everything that's wrong with the word in one post. And it's not the nickname.
Ach sure look it is offensive to the blind these days ffs.
Quote from: Schkite on November 05, 2022, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 05, 2022, 10:05:21 PM
Was Chris 11 - it was the other mcguinness I meant who I thought was 11?
Chris was 14, Shane was 11 - who I'm not sure has ever had a proper run in the county panel as far as I remember
I thought that. I would say he's worth a go.
Wylie a cute auld bolllocks.
Where will the Kilcoo game be next week ?
Assume it could be any if the Monaghan county grounds
I suppose the next game should be in Monaghan seeing as Ballybay won away this evening.
The Ballybay pitch is one of the best as well as the club premises, however the 'stadium' does lack a few basics.
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:18:40 PM
Where will the Kilcoo game be next week ?
Assume it could be any if the Monaghan county grounds
afaik the game is in clones next weekend
Is it ignorant to call a fella by his nickname if you know the origin of said nickname? I used to know jap from Strabane back in the day too.
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:18:40 PM
Where will the Kilcoo game be next week ?
Assume it could be any if the Monaghan county grounds
Would be shocked if its not clones from the powers that be
But would have Ballybay have any say in the ground, if say they thought iniskeen or blayney would suit them better?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2022, 10:32:47 PM
Is it ignorant to call a fella by his nickname if you know the origin of said nickname? I used to know jap from Strabane back in the day too.
Once informed that it is ignorant to call him 'Jap', the choice is yours.
So what is your informed choice?
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 05, 2022, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:18:40 PM
Where will the Kilcoo game be next week ?
Assume it could be any if the Monaghan county grounds
Would be shocked if its not clones from the powers that be
But would have Ballybay have any say in the ground, if say they thought iniskeen or blayney would suit them better?
Was thinking Inniskeen or Blaney would be better fits
Sunday 13 November
SFC Quarter Final Kilcoo v Crossmaglen/Ballybay TBC Newry/Clones
Cross totally naive at the start fo 2nd half; against the wind, a man down, thye persisted with the long ball instead of holding possession and running down the clock. Ballybay were excellent tho, full value for the win
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 05, 2022, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:18:40 PM
Where will the Kilcoo game be next week ?
Assume it could be any if the Monaghan county grounds
Would be shocked if its not clones from the powers that be
But would have Ballybay have any say in the ground, if say they thought iniskeen or blayney would suit them better?
Was thinking Inniskeen or Blaney would be better fits
There didn't seem too many Monaghan people there tonight, considering that Ballybay is slightly near Armagh than Cross' is. The TV played a role there, I expect they will come out in greater force against Kilcoo.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2022, 12:58:33 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 05, 2022, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:18:40 PM
Where will the Kilcoo game be next week ?
Assume it could be any if the Monaghan county grounds
Would be shocked if its not clones from the powers that be
But would have Ballybay have any say in the ground, if say they thought iniskeen or blayney would suit them better?
Was thinking Inniskeen or Blaney would be better fits
There didn't seem too many Monaghan people there tonight, considering that Ballybay is slightly near Armagh than Cross' is. The TV played a role there, I expect they will come out in greater force against Kilcoo.
How many Ballybay people were there, considering a population of 1200 or so?
And in proportion to Cross people?
And what's your point?
Quote from: Main Street on November 06, 2022, 01:07:23 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2022, 12:58:33 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 05, 2022, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 05, 2022, 10:18:40 PM
Where will the Kilcoo game be next week ?
Assume it could be any if the Monaghan county grounds
Would be shocked if its not clones from the powers that be
But would have Ballybay have any say in the ground, if say they thought iniskeen or blayney would suit them better?
Was thinking Inniskeen or Blaney would be better fits
There didn't seem too many Monaghan people there tonight, considering that Ballybay is slightly near Armagh than Cross' is. The TV played a role there, I expect they will come out in greater force against Kilcoo.
How many Ballybay people were there, considering a population of 1200 or so?
And in proportion to Cross people?
And what's your point?
Ballybay is as big as Cross.
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Where will the Kilcoo game be next week ?
Assume it could be any if the Monaghan county grounds
Would be shocked if its not clones from the powers that be
But would have Ballybay have any say in the ground, if say they thought iniskeen or blayney would suit them better?
Was thinking Inniskeen or Blaney would be better fits
There didn't seem too many Monaghan people there tonight, considering that Ballybay is slightly near Armagh than Cross' is. The TV played a role there, I expect they will come out in greater force against Kilcoo.
How many Ballybay people were there, considering a population of 1200 or so?
And in proportion to Cross people?
And what's your point?
Ballybay is as big as Cross.
No it isn't and what's your effin point?
Calls for an all star for Rian O'Neill this year were wide of the mark I thought and cemented by his performance last night for Cross.
He's undoubtedly a talent but has a tendency to drift out in games when it matters. He's young and it will come for him eventually though as he has size, pace and accuracy off either peg.
Armagh club football is bang average at the minute as well.
I can't begin to imagine what's going through Jerome's head right now.
There were many men (and women) that drove the club to where it is today from the 90's - but it'd probably be fair to say no-one* would be more responsible** than Jerome for where Kilcoo is now.
*Mickey Moran had the tools to work with because of the work done before him.
**careful use of words - pointedly not saying "no-one did as much as".
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 05, 2022, 07:51:05 PM
Rian O'Neill got away with one too.
Nothing new there.
should have even been a yellow.
Slightly off topic, always find it amusing reading Oisin McConvilles 'predictions' in the Sunday Life. As if he has a clue about Na Magha v St Peter's in the Junior hurling lol
He's predicted a 3 point win for Pearses against Newtownbutler. Newtownbutler will win by 6 plus
Quote from: OrchardOrange on November 05, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
All Cross's slabbering about having Ulster title and beyond in their sights comes back to bite them. Got a complete lesson in football in the 2nd half. You never look beyond your next match.
this is bullshit. Very few were talkig about Cross for Ulster and certainly no one Cross was
No team from Cavan or Fermanagh has ever won this title. What about this year ?
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 12:30:46 PM
No team from Cavan or Fermanagh has ever won this title. What about this year ?
Yeah if Ballybay, Kilcoo, Glen and EC all drop out they might make a final lol
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 12:30:46 PM
No team from Cavan or Fermanagh has ever won this title. What about this year ?
Little to no chance. Enniskillen could potentially be a competitive force in Ulster but a very young side so it'll be another 3/4 years yet imo
Cavan had a good team In Kingscourt early 1990's but not much since, Cavan Gaels were good for awhile 15yrs ago.
Bailieborough reached the an Ulster final in 95 but Cavan teams were never in the shake up. Cavan Gaels discipline cost them a couple of times. St Galls beat them after extra time in 08 when they went on to win the All ireland. Cavan Gaels had 4 sent off in that game
Gowna and Enniskillen haven't played in Ulster in a while. Though Brewster Park is Enniskillens pitch so that is an advantage to them. A County ground should really be solely for the County team.
In Fermanaghs case the county board left it to the Gaels club.
Same as St Enda's in Omagh.
Absolute height of madness if a county ground is just for the county team. Ground then becomes a white elephant like Celtic Park in Derry.
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Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2022, 01:28:36 AM
Ballybay is as big as Cross.
No it isn't and what's your effin point?
You are getting into club boundaries and so forth, but these are not two places of substantially different size.
My point was that Ballybay were playing well but had not that many shouting for them, in my perception. Why the effin?
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No team from Cavan or Fermanagh has ever won this title. What about this year ?
Little to no chance. Enniskillen could potentially be a competitive force in Ulster but a very young side so it'll be another 3/4 years yet imo
Maybe Derrygonnelly next year. Any chance of a Teemore resurrection?
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No team from Cavan or Fermanagh has ever won this title. What about this year ?
Little to no chance. Enniskillen could potentially be a competitive force in Ulster but a very young side so it'll be another 3/4 years yet imo
Maybe Derrygonnelly next year. Any chance of a Teemore resurrection?
Teemore have been relegated to intermediate this year
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 06, 2022, 01:07:28 PM
Bailieborough reached the an Ulster final in 95 but Cavan teams were never in the shake up. Cavan Gaels discipline cost them a couple of times. St Galls beat them after extra time in 08 when they went on to win the All ireland. Cavan Gaels had 4 sent off in that game
Gowna and Enniskillen haven't played in Ulster in a while. Though Brewster Park is Enniskillens pitch so that is an advantage to them. A County ground should really be solely for the County team.
Gowna potentially in a few years. Very young. Bailieborough were robbed from what I remember? Took a shot and while taking ref blew full time whistle. Would have won the game.
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 12:30:46 PM
No team from Cavan or Fermanagh has ever won this title. What about this year ?
Rory Gallagher has been in training the Gaels team so u never know what could happen
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Calls for an all star for Rian O'Neill this year were wide of the mark I thought and cemented by his performance last night for Cross.
He's undoubtedly a talent but has a tendency to drift out in games when it matters. He's young and it will come for him eventually though as he has size, pace and accuracy off either peg.
Armagh club football is bang average at the minute as well.
Talk that O'Neill was an injury doubt before the game yesterday. Perhaps this was a factor in his performance.
Armagh club football is probably worse than average at the minute. Structures are good and run well enough, but there's little depth of talent developing across the club scene.
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Calls for an all star for Rian O'Neill this year were wide of the mark I thought and cemented by his performance last night for Cross.
He's undoubtedly a talent but has a tendency to drift out in games when it matters. He's young and it will come for him eventually though as he has size, pace and accuracy off either peg.
Armagh club football is bang average at the minute as well.
Talk that O'Neill was an injury doubt before the game yesterday. Perhaps this was a factor in his performance.
Armagh club football is probably worse than average at the minute. Structures are good and run well enough, but there's little depth of talent developing across the club scene.
The fact he spend so long in full forward line may support that.
Armagh club football is not strong, made the point numerous times on threads about the County team - McGeeney has done a fantastic job building a side from what's available.
What's the population of Crossmaglen, its large village sized, so I say there's a fair bit more of a population than Ballybay
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2022, 12:51:00 AM
What's the population of Crossmaglen, its large village sized, so I say there's a fair bit more of a population than Ballybay
Ballybay has about 1250, Cross 1600. You don't necessarily know the populations in the hinterlands around both areas to compare but there's not a massive difference between either place.
The key factor over the weekend was that the experienced players for Ballybay were widespread. Maybe not in Ulster Club but lads who have played years for Monaghan. We had 5 starters under 20 who had no experience of playing in Ulster. There's plenty of years ahead for us. The expectation was not huge this year so we can build for next year now
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2022, 12:51:00 AM
What's the population of Crossmaglen, its large village sized, so I say there's a fair bit more of a population than Ballybay
Ballybay has about 1250, Cross 1600. You don't necessarily know the populations in the hinterlands around both areas to compare but there's not a massive difference between either place.
The key factor over the weekend was that the experienced players for Ballybay were widespread. Maybe not in Ulster Club but lads who have played years for Monaghan. We had 5 starters under 20 who had no experience of playing in Ulster. There's plenty of years ahead for us. The expectation was not huge this year so we can build for next year now
Any word on AK? A lot of people thinking that was his last game for Cross
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2022, 12:51:00 AM
What's the population of Crossmaglen, its large village sized, so I say there's a fair bit more of a population than Ballybay
Ballybay has about 1250, Cross 1600. You don't necessarily know the populations in the hinterlands around both areas to compare but there's not a massive difference between either place.
The key factor over the weekend was that the experienced players for Ballybay were widespread. Maybe not in Ulster Club but lads who have played years for Monaghan. We had 5 starters under 20 who had no experience of playing in Ulster. There's plenty of years ahead for us. The expectation was not huge this year so we can build for next year now
BCB1 will Cross continue with the brand of football or wil they get a manager who shuts up shop more, you wont win an Ulster playing that way anymore. Too many well set up sides.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2022, 12:51:00 AM
What's the population of Crossmaglen, its large village sized, so I say there's a fair bit more of a population than Ballybay
Ballybay has about 1250, Cross 1600. You don't necessarily know the populations in the hinterlands around both areas to compare but there's not a massive difference between either place.
The key factor over the weekend was that the experienced players for Ballybay were widespread. Maybe not in Ulster Club but lads who have played years for Monaghan. We had 5 starters under 20 who had no experience of playing in Ulster. There's plenty of years ahead for us. The expectation was not huge this year so we can build for next year now
Any word on AK? A lot of people thinking that was his last game for Cross
Looking at him after Saturday he definitely looked like a man who was retiring. Sincerely hope not as football in general will be poorer for it. An absolute class act.
Don't know about AK. Big decisions are best made in the cold nights of winter so I'd say a few weeks recuperating and then you'll find out.
As for the style of football, don't think it will change much. Maybe tweak it a bit but nah, the game wasn't lost because of the style of football. It was lost because of the tactics at key times. There's a difference. Game management was the key factor not the style of football.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2022, 12:51:00 AM
What's the population of Crossmaglen, its large village sized, so I say there's a fair bit more of a population than Ballybay
Ballybay has about 1250, Cross 1600. You don't necessarily know the populations in the hinterlands around both areas to compare but there's not a massive difference between either place.
The key factor over the weekend was that the experienced players for Ballybay were widespread. Maybe not in Ulster Club but lads who have played years for Monaghan. We had 5 starters under 20 who had no experience of playing in Ulster. There's plenty of years ahead for us. The expectation was not huge this year so we can build for next year now
BCB1 will Cross continue with the brand of football or wil they get a manager who shuts up shop more, you wont win an Ulster playing that way anymore. Too many well set up sides.
I keep reading comments like this Truth, and I don't know what to make of it.
Here's things that I saw the other evening:
1. Ballybay played exceptionally well, with a negligible amount of personal errors despite moving the ball quickly.
2. Ballybay were very fortunate to gain an early penalty, which minimised Cross's ability to build up a big lead with the breeze.
3. Ballybay's seam of county players revelled in the fact that few of them were directly facing county-standard players.
4. Ballybay made a statement of confidence as much as tactics when they blitzed Crossmaglen during the black card period at the start of the second half.
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Does this mean Cross were not "tactically naive"? No it doesn't. They really should have sat on the ball for the first 10 mins of the second half. But this then brings on a fifth point, in that they're so used to powering past teams in Armagh, that they seemed to underestimate Ballybay's ability to push back.
Anyhow, long way of saying that Cross perhaps could have turned this one into guerrilla warfare, and delivered an unwatchable game of football. But Ballybay would seem to have slightly better players, and on the night, all those slightly better players delivered in spades, which is usually enough to win a game of attritional football too.
Whilst laudible to an extent, Cross persistance to kick the ball at every opportunity allied with fact they refuse to play sweepers etc, shows a level of stubborness bordering on arrogance at this point. Hats off to them for sticking to principles and playing game they way they think it should be played but when you refuse to mix things up and show a flexibility in how your team plays for periods of the game then for me it smacks of arrogance or incompetence or maybe both. The situation is exasperated all the more when you have a ropey defence that features a small, young goalkeeper(s), no settled No3 and 3 guys the wrong side of 30. Their full-back line has been crying out for more protection for a long time now and it looks like they havent done anything about it.
As for O'Neill performance. Why is it when a marquee player doesnt perform as expected that 'they were most likely carrying an injury'. It seems to be the first thing that rolled out all the time to excuse them. Maybe, just maybe he was bested by his opponents and they were better than him. Or maybe, blasphemous and outrageous as this might sound to some, he just isnt as good as you think he is.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 07, 2022, 09:09:06 AM
Don't know about AK. Big decisions are best made in the cold nights of winter so I'd say a few weeks recuperating and then you'll find out.
As for the style of football, don't think it will change much. Maybe tweak it a bit but nah, the game wasn't lost because of the style of football. It was lost because of the tactics at key times. There's a difference. Game management was the key factor not the style of football.
Finlay's run dragging 3 or 4 defenders and then no one bothering to mark the number 11 was terrible defending. Naivety and inexperience cost Cross big time the other night. Game management during the black card period just after half time was non existent from Cross.
No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 07, 2022, 09:23:27 AM
No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
We will win more than we will lose through the way we play. This group may not have the physical approach that we had when I played, which was a huge factor in Autumn football, but they are technically better footballers. As was said above if Ballybay don't get the lucky penalty early on the game may pan out differently. If we didn't lose our regular goalkeeper during the week before the game the game may pan out differently, if Rian O Neill is not carrying an injury(which he was) the game may pan out differently, but all of the above didn't on out that way. The reality is Ballybay played better than us and we have to learn from this.
There is an extraordinary external expectation on every Cross team that wins a county championship nevermind an internal pressure, albeit not from the club men this year. Every year we win, irrespective of how bad or good we are, people expect us to win Ulster at least irrespective of how strong we are. Our jersey only pulls us so far. Our history can't kick points. Give us 2-3 years of domination in Armagh and then maybe you could argue that point but not at this stage. This is a young team in transition. Let's see where we are in 2-3 years time focusing on kicking the ball and not playing sweepers....
Cross lost the previous 2 county championships as you could drive a bus through their defense. I admire the style and tradition but its madness sometimes. Horses for courses.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 07, 2022, 09:35:08 AM
We will win more than we will lose through the way we play. This group may not have the physical approach that we had when I played, which was a huge factor in Autumn football, but they are technically better footballers. As was said above if Ballybay don't get the lucky penalty early on the game may pan out differently. If we didn't lose our regular goalkeeper during the week before the game the game may pan out differently, if Rian O Neill is not carrying an injury(which he was) the game may pan out differently, but all of the above didn't on out that way. The reality is Ballybay played better than us and we have to learn from this.
There is an extraordinary external expectation on every Cross team that wins a county championship nevermind an internal pressure, albeit not from the club men this year. Every year we win, irrespective of how bad or good we are, people expect us to win Ulster at least irrespective of how strong we are. Our jersey only pulls us so far. Our history can't kick points. Give us 2-3 years of domination in Armagh and then maybe you could argue that point but not at this stage. This is a young team in transition. Let's see where we are in 2-3 years time focusing on kicking the ball and not playing sweepers....
Yeah pretty much spot on there, even playing poorly overall the other night some of the point scoring and forward play from Cross was great to watch.
Do you think ye will get the bolded? Teams like Killeavy keep knocking the door and coming up short when the pressure is on and outside of them and Clann Eireann I don't see anyone else remotely close to consistently competing at the top.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 07, 2022, 09:35:08 AM
We will win more than we will lose through the way we play. This group may not have the physical approach that we had when I played, which was a huge factor in Autumn football, but they are technically better footballers. As was said above if Ballybay don't get the lucky penalty early on the game may pan out differently. If we didn't lose our regular goalkeeper during the week before the game the game may pan out differently, if Rian O Neill is not carrying an injury(which he was) the game may pan out differently, but all of the above didn't on out that way. The reality is Ballybay played better than us and we have to learn from this.
There is an extraordinary external expectation on every Cross team that wins a county championship nevermind an internal pressure, albeit not from the club men this year. Every year we win, irrespective of how bad or good we are, people expect us to win Ulster at least irrespective of how strong we are. Our jersey only pulls us so far. Our history can't kick points. Give us 2-3 years of domination in Armagh and then maybe you could argue that point but not at this stage. This is a young team in transition. Let's see where we are in 2-3 years time focusing on kicking the ball and not playing sweepers....
Problem is BCB, you havent the same quality coming through to replace Kernan, Morgan and Hughes in your defence and thats where most of your problems lie and will continue to lie. Your goalkeeping situation isnt solved yet either and its been an issue for a while. After the above names retire i dont think you can rely on the 2 O'Neills an McConville to carry the whole thing so im not so sure about domination like it was before.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 07, 2022, 09:35:08 AM
We will win more than we will lose through the way we play. This group may not have the physical approach that we had when I played, which was a huge factor in Autumn football, but they are technically better footballers. As was said above if Ballybay don't get the lucky penalty early on the game may pan out differently. If we didn't lose our regular goalkeeper during the week before the game the game may pan out differently, if Rian O Neill is not carrying an injury(which he was) the game may pan out differently, but all of the above didn't on out that way. The reality is Ballybay played better than us and we have to learn from this.
There is an extraordinary external expectation on every Cross team that wins a county championship nevermind an internal pressure, albeit not from the club men this year. Every year we win, irrespective of how bad or good we are, people expect us to win Ulster at least irrespective of how strong we are. Our jersey only pulls us so far. Our history can't kick points. Give us 2-3 years of domination in Armagh and then maybe you could argue that point but not at this stage. This is a young team in transition. Let's see where we are in 2-3 years time focusing on kicking the ball and not playing sweepers....
Problem is BCB, you havent the same quality coming through to replace Kernan, Morgan and Hughes in your defence and thats where most of your problems lie and will continue to lie. Your goalkeeping situation isnt solved yet either and its been an issue for a while. After the above names retire i dont think you can rely on the 2 O'Neills an McConville to carry the whole thing so im not so sure about domination like it was before.
There's plenty of quality coming at underage. Aaron Kernan is a generational talent so will be very hard to replace but there is enough left in Hughes and Morgan for the next few years. As for the goalkeeping situation that may change again next year, who knows. I don't expect us to be winning championships in Armagh without contest but we will still be the team to beat. CE and Killeavey probably have the talent to win it but talent only goes so far. Clan naGael are coming too and have a great underage team that will supplement the current team but we also have a strong team at that age to negate that advantage a bit. A first 15 built around Morgan, Hughes, 2 O Neill's, Cian Callum Cumiskey and Steven Morris along with the younger lads of Finnegan, Fitzie, Tomas Og Duffy will be hard to beat. I know the quality under 18 so I'm confident enough.
Will you continue with an in house manager or will ye go for an outsider. I thought you were very naive especially when you got the black card.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:47:15 AM
Will you continue with an in house manager or will ye go for an outsider. I thought you were very naive especially when you got the black card.
Who knows? SK is there for now and would suspect he will have the opportunity to build on the county win but you never know. I think it would be a huge step for an outside manager to come into the club.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 07, 2022, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:47:15 AM
Will you continue with an in house manager or will ye go for an outsider. I thought you were very naive especially when you got the black card.
Who knows? SK is there for now and would suspect he will have the opportunity to build on the county win but you never know. I think it would be a huge step for an outside manager to come into the club.
What clubman would be next in line? Johnny Murtagh most likely or would you go back to one of the old guard.
SK deserves another year but I think he needs a defensive man in with him to try to shore up the defence. you can still playing a kicking game but one you come into Ulster club its very tactical nowadays. Armagh club football is not very tactical.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 07, 2022, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:47:15 AM
Will you continue with an in house manager or will ye go for an outsider. I thought you were very naive especially when you got the black card.
Who knows? SK is there for now and would suspect he will have the opportunity to build on the county win but you never know. I think it would be a huge step for an outside manager to come into the club.
What clubman would be next in line? Johnny Murtagh most likely or would you go back to one of the old guard.
SK deserves another year but I think he needs a defensive man in with him to try to shore up the defence. you can still playing a kicking game but one you come into Ulster club its very tactical nowadays. Armagh club football is not very tactical.
In many ways Cross are like the county team, good going forward but not solid in defence. With a bit of organisation the county team managed to get a defensive structure good enough to provide a platform for the forwards to try and outscore the opposition. One aspect of this is discipline, quite a few games were lost after a man was sent off or black carded. And as noted before, Armagh style tackling does not find favour with refs from outside the county.
Why have Ballybay got players from Cavan one of them is a teacher as far as i know in Cootehill and definitely doesn't live or have any connection with Ballybay other than got an address to get the transfer over the line, the other i'm not sure about but have asked around and doesn't seem to have any connections either. Both have played for Cavan at all levels.
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 07, 2022, 12:15:06 PM
Why have Ballybay got players from Cavan one of them is a teacher as far as i know in Cootehill and definitely doesn't live or have any connection with Ballybay other than got an address to get the transfer over the line, the other i'm not sure about but have asked around and doesn't seem to have any connections either. Both have played for Cavan at all levels.
Who are they?
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Quote from: Cavan19 on November 07, 2022, 12:15:06 PM
Why have Ballybay got players from Cavan one of them is a teacher as far as i know in Cootehill and definitely doesn't live or have any connection with Ballybay other than got an address to get the transfer over the line, the other i'm not sure about but have asked around and doesn't seem to have any connections either. Both have played for Cavan at all levels.
Who are they?
Michael Hannon and Ciaran Galligan.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 07, 2022, 01:00:55 PM
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Quote from: Cavan19 on November 07, 2022, 12:15:06 PM
Why have Ballybay got players from Cavan one of them is a teacher as far as i know in Cootehill and definitely doesn't live or have any connection with Ballybay other than got an address to get the transfer over the line, the other i'm not sure about but have asked around and doesn't seem to have any connections either. Both have played for Cavan at all levels.
Who are they?
Michael Hannon and Ciaran Galligan.
It's a strange setup and they have been with them for some time now apparently and must have left there own clubs when they were in their prime. Any other outsiders with Ballybay is it a club policy to poach from other clubs?
I think both players had disputes with people within their clubs.. Hannon played with Drumgoon and Galligan played for Dring.. Their clubs would be near the Monaghan border so maybe it was best transfering outside the County then to another Cavan club
Hannon is probably the same age as Paul Finlay or maybe older. Galligan is around 37.
They hav been with ballybay around 5 years
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 07, 2022, 01:10:16 PM
I think both players had disputes with people within their clubs.. Hannon played with Drumgoon and Galligan played for Dring.. Their clubs would be near the Monaghan border so maybe it was best transfering outside the County then to another Cavan club
Hannon is probably the same age as Paul Finlay or maybe older. Galligan is around 37.
They hav been with ballybay around 5 years
Maybe so, would love to know why Ballybay though there would be closer clubs that Ballybay to both of them. Anyway sorry for taking thread off topic.
They might have wanted to play at Senior level and compete for a senior championship.
Hannon still going well at his age. He was always very fit. Galligan also
People aren't seriously suggesting that Cross don't flood bodies back? Do people actually watch them?
They do stay true to a kicking game mind you, and have great ball winners up front to allow this. They move the ball very fast and that's why they are able to out score most tea. Brilliant forwards help too.
But if anyone really thinks Cross don't bring men back, sweepers etc, they're living in a different world.
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 07, 2022, 07:53:02 PM
People aren't seriously suggesting that Cross don't flood bodies back? Do people actually watch them?
They do stay true to a kicking game mind you, and have great ball winners up front to allow this. They move the ball very fast and that's why they are able to out score most tea. Brilliant forwards help too.
But if anyone really thinks Cross don't bring men back, sweepers etc, they're living in a different world.
It's the old Jack Charlton adage here, if you get a reputation for an early riser you can lie to lunchtime. Joe Brolly perpetrated the myth and it's grew legs.
Cross have every right to be confident about their future, but I personally don't think the batch coming through are in the same league as the AI winning sides.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on November 07, 2022, 09:23:27 AM
No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
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People aren't seriously suggesting that Cross don't flood bodies back? Do people actually watch them?
They do stay true to a kicking game mind you, and have great ball winners up front to allow this. They move the ball very fast and that's why they are able to out score most tea. Brilliant forwards help too.
But if anyone really thinks Cross don't bring men back, sweepers etc, they're living in a different world.
It's the old Jack Charlton adage here, if you get a reputation for an early riser you can lie to lunchtime. Joe Brolly perpetrated the myth and it's grew legs.
Cross have every right to be confident about their future, but I personally don't think the batch coming through are in the same league as the AI winning sides.
I reckon some of the young lads as BCB has said are as talented of footballers or maybe even more so than the great Cross teams, certainly Rian O'Neill and McConville are as good as any talent to ever come out of Cross as is Oisin if they can get him fit but Morgan aside I think they're missing some real dogs like Bellew etc which is especially needed at this time of year. Aaron Kernan is practically irreplaceable for them if he does go, for his leadership and experience as well as his footballing ability. Cross are still Cross though so I'd expect them to get back to winning Armagh probably 3 or 4 times out of 5 and wouldn't bet against them landing an Ulster within the next 2 or 3 years.
Morgan is one man fouling machine. He should have had a yellow even before the ball was threw in.
For all Araon Kernans ability he was badly caught out for the second goal. That said hes been some role model.
I think Drew Wylie set the template on how to mark O'Neil. He wasn't used that sort of attention and it rattled him
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Morgan is one man fouling machine. He should have had a yellow even before the ball was threw in.
For all Araon Kernans ability he was badly caught out for the second goal. That said hes been some role model.
I think Drew Wylie set the template on how to mark O'Neil. He wasn't used that sort of attention and it rattled him
Yeah Finlay made a run and 3 or 4 Cross lads went with him, very poor defending allowed the other lad in. O'Neill been getting that attention his whole life I'd say he's well fit for it by now, didn't have a good night but was apparently carrying an injury too
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
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Morgan is one man fouling machine. He should have had a yellow even before the ball was threw in.
For all Araon Kernans ability he was badly caught out for the second goal. That said hes been some role model.
I think Drew Wylie set the template on how to mark O'Neil. He wasn't used that sort of attention and it rattled him
The comments on Morgan show how reputations can overshadow reality. The improvement in Morgan's discipline the last few years has been remarkable. Probably still as annoying as always but alot smarter. Every team has a player like him.
Apart from the Galway game where he seemed to revert to a red card waiting to happen that is very true. He used to be the standout dirty player on the field but isn't like that so much these days. You wouldn't even have said he was particularly dirty on Saturday.
In 1798 Watty Graham's head was paraded through Maghera. Imagine parading the Ulster cup this year.
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
Game is gone if you can't hit a man a good dunt off the ball.
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
Game is gone if you can't hit a man a good dunt off the ball.
Course ya can, just expect to get a card after it though
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
A body check is not by itself a black card and I didnt think it was particularly wreckless. I think it was a yellow card offence
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
A body check is not by itself a black card and I didnt think it was particularly wreckless. I think it was a yellow card offence
Surely it is a black? "To deliberately collide with an opponent... for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play"
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
A body check is not by itself a black card and I didnt think it was particularly wreckless. I think it was a yellow card offence
Surely it is a black? "To deliberately collide with an opponent... for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play"
if the ball was at the other end of the pitch, as has been stated, what movement of play was he taking him out of?
It was a 45 to ballybay I think? If not it was a free in.
It was a black card. No question
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
A body check is not by itself a black card and I didnt think it was particularly wreckless. I think it was a yellow card offence
Surely it is a black? "To deliberately collide with an opponent... for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play"
if the ball was at the other end of the pitch, as has been stated, what movement of play was he taking him out of?
But the ball wasn't at the other end of the field Ballybay had it between the Midfield and 45 and were attacking trying to work it in.
The sooner the black card is scrapped for good the better
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Morgan is one man fouling machine. He should have had a yellow even before the ball was threw in.
For all Araon Kernans ability he was badly caught out for the second goal. That said hes been some role model.
I think Drew Wylie set the template on how to mark O'Neil. He wasn't used that sort of attention and it rattled him
Yeah Finlay made a run and 3 or 4 Cross lads went with him, very poor defending allowed the other lad in. O'Neill been getting that attention his whole life I'd say he's well fit for it by now, didn't have a good night but was apparently carrying an injury too
I don't think he had the stinker people are making it out to be.
I would agree on that. It wasn't just Wylie on him either - they doubled and tripled up when he got the ball. You're not going to score a load with that happening.
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Morgan is one man fouling machine. He should have had a yellow even before the ball was threw in.
For all Araon Kernans ability he was badly caught out for the second goal. That said hes been some role model.
I think Drew Wylie set the template on how to mark O'Neil. He wasn't used that sort of attention and it rattled him
Yeah Finlay made a run and 3 or 4 Cross lads went with him, very poor defending allowed the other lad in. O'Neill been getting that attention his whole life I'd say he's well fit for it by now, didn't have a good night but was apparently carrying an injury too
I don't think he had the stinker people are making it out to be.
Still scored a cracker of a goal, certainly wasn't a stinker but by his standards it was a quiet one. With the ability he has, if the result does go his sides way he'll be the first person people lay the blame at if he's been quiet as he's expected by some to be scoring 1-6 every game
Ulster club SFC quarter-final
Enniskillen Gaels (Fermanagh) v Gowna (Cavan) - think it's too early this Enniskillen team so will go Gowna by 3/4
Cargin (Antrim) v Naomh Conaill (Donegal) - Naomh Conaill by 2
Glen (Derry) v Errigal Ciaran (Tyrone) - Glen by 2
Ballybay (Monaghan) v Kilcoo (Down) - Kilcoo by 3
Thought the ref was crap in the Ballybay V Cross game, no penalty, no black card, was a yellow. as as generally poor, another basketball ref
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Thought the ref was crap in the Ballybay V Cross game, no penalty, no black card, was a yellow. as as generally poor, another basketball ref
See a lot of complaints from Shane O'Neills ones about the ref being too lenient in their game! Poor refs can't win lol but give me a ref thats there keep the score and not much else and who will let the game flow without giving out cards over one who thinks it's a non contact sport
Enniskillen Gaels (Fermanagh) v Gowna (Cavan) - Enniskillen by 4
Cargin (Antrim) v Naomh Conaill (Donegal) - Naomh Conaill by 8
Glen (Derry) v Errigal Ciaran (Tyrone) - Glen by 7
Ballybay (Monaghan) v Kilcoo (Down) - Kilcoo by 2
What way does the semi final draw pair up, do Kilcoo avoid Glen until the final?
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Enniskillen Gaels (Fermanagh) v Gowna (Cavan) - Enniskillen by 4
Cargin (Antrim) v Naomh Conaill (Donegal) - Naomh Conaill by 8
Glen (Derry) v Errigal Ciaran (Tyrone) - Glen by 7
Ballybay (Monaghan) v Kilcoo (Down) - Kilcoo by 2
What way does the semi final draw pair up, do Kilcoo avoid Glen until the final?
Ballybay/Kilcoo v Enniskillen Gaels/Gowna. Glen/Errigal Ciaran v Naomh Conaill/Cargin in semi finals
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
A body check is not by itself a black card and I didnt think it was particularly wreckless. I think it was a yellow card offence
Surely it is a black? "To deliberately collide with an opponent... for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play"
if the ball was at the other end of the pitch, as has been stated, what movement of play was he taking him out of?
But the ball wasn't at the other end of the field Ballybay had it between the Midfield and 45 and were attacking trying to work it in.
Well I stand to be corrected but the only replays I've seen of it are looking down the pitch and they make it seem like Ballybay were a long long way out. I think it's significant that no side on camera picked it up nor did the ref. The words for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of the play has to mean something. If that was a black card offence then the rule should simply be to deliberately body collide with an opponent. Certainly if it had been an attacker on a defender in those circumstances I wouldn't have expected a black card.
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Enniskillen Gaels (Fermanagh) v Gowna (Cavan) - Enniskillen by 4
Cargin (Antrim) v Naomh Conaill (Donegal) - Naomh Conaill by 8
Glen (Derry) v Errigal Ciaran (Tyrone) - Glen by 7
Ballybay (Monaghan) v Kilcoo (Down) - Kilcoo by 2
What way does the semi final draw pair up, do Kilcoo avoid Glen until the final?
Ballybay/Kilcoo v Enniskillen Gaels/Gowna. Glen/Errigal Ciaran v Naomh Conaill/Cargin in semi finals
The smart money is Glen-v-Kilcoo final but wouldn't want to throw too much on it Errigal have some quality about them and Ballybay showed they are well fit for a tilt at Ulster was a commanding display even if they got a hand from the ref with that penalty which was for nothing
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No one is mentioning it but the black card was absolutely needless. They got crucified during that period and the black card was absolutely needless - no threat or danger from anything.
Harsh call too. Yer man went down like a bag of shite
I don't think it was harsh so much as wrong. Didn't look like a black card offence to me. The ball was at the other end of the pitch and it didn't seem like he took him out of the movement of play.
Is this the black just before half time? Criticising the Ballybay player for going down easy? Sure he went off after it. Was busted off ball.
I didn't criticise him for going down early. I just think by rule it wasn't a black card.
Sorry referring to previous poster said he went down easily. Definitely a black card at least. A body check off ball. Actually think maybe a red as how reckless it was and the outcome on Ballybay player needing to go off.
A body check is not by itself a black card and I didnt think it was particularly wreckless. I think it was a yellow card offence
Surely it is a black? "To deliberately collide with an opponent... for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play"
if the ball was at the other end of the pitch, as has been stated, what movement of play was he taking him out of?
But the ball wasn't at the other end of the field Ballybay had it between the Midfield and 45 and were attacking trying to work it in.
Well I stand to be corrected but the only replays I've seen of it are looking down the pitch and they make it seem like Ballybay were a long long way out. I think it's significant that no side on camera picked it up nor did the ref. The words for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of the play has to mean something. If that was a black card offence then the rule should simply be to deliberately body collide with an opponent. Certainly if it had been an attacker on a defender in those circumstances I wouldn't have expected a black card.
I'm not actually sure if it was black or yellow, it would take someone with a good understanding of the rulebook to adjudicate on it. However in this case I think the punishment did actually fit the crime. The Cross player spent 10 minutes in the bin whilst the Ballybay players night was over due to the dig. It was in that 10 minutes that Ballybay effectively put the game to bed though so Cross paid the ultimate price.
I remember watching the Donegal club final on TG4 and being disgusted at the behaviour of Glenties, a very talented but hugely cynical side, a diving shower of hoors. These are attributes required to win an Ulster Club, so I don't think they'll be too far away tbh and worth a punt at 8/1 to win outright.
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I remember watching the Donegal club final on TG4 and being disgusted at the behaviour of Glenties, a very talented but hugely cynical side, a diving shower of hoors. These are attributes required to win an Ulster Club, so I don't think they'll be too far away tbh and worth a punt at 8/1 to win outright.
Agree. Glenties a very seasoned outfit. Pushed Kilcoo as close as anyone in recent years. If we get over Errigal it'll be tough (sorry Cargin).
Personally, I think it's a disgrace that Jerome Johnston is taking €€€€ from Ballybay and refuses to manage agains his own club.
The Glenties will be renamed the divers if they continue they Donegal county final form.
They have always been like that. Horrible team but then the likes of kilcoo have that in them too. Takes that to win sometimes unfortunately.
Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 09, 2022, 01:34:44 AM
Personally, I think it's a disgrace that Jerome Johnston is taking €€€€ from Ballybay and refuses to manage agains his own club.
I think it is the biggest pile of virtue signalling shite. "Look how big a GAA man I am. Look I deep my love for Kilcoo goes."
I think it is an absolute pile of dung.
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Personally, I think it's a disgrace that Jerome Johnston is taking €€€€ from Ballybay and refuses to manage agains his own club.
I think it is the biggest pile of virtue signalling shite. "Look how big a GAA man I am. Look I deep my love for Kilcoo goes."
I think it is an absolute pile of dung.
110% agree with Trailer. Couldnt have worded that any better.
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Quote from: TirEoghainGael on November 09, 2022, 01:34:44 AM
Personally, I think it's a disgrace that Jerome Johnston is taking €€€€ from Ballybay and refuses to manage agains his own club.
I think it is the biggest pile of virtue signalling shite. "Look how big a GAA man I am. Look I deep my love for Kilcoo goes."
I think it is an absolute pile of dung.
Agree. Like he's a hero or something. Get over yourself!!
I would be of the opinion that a manager, just like the players, should have complete buy in to the team and what they are trying to accomplish.
We had a manager and came up against his home club, with his son's playing, and he didn't hold back in telling us to get stuck in and put them away. (side note, his son was in a "heated discussion" with one of our players, and he was happy to stand and watch impartially to that).
I would imagine some of those Ballybay players have lost some respect for him over this.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 09, 2022, 09:41:24 AM
I would be of the opinion that a manager, just like the players, should have complete buy in to the team and what they are trying to accomplish.
We had a manager and came up against his home club, with his son's playing, and he didn't hold back in telling us to get stuck in and put them away. (side note, his son was in a "heated discussion" with one of our players, and he was happy to stand and watch impartially to that).
I would imagine some of those Ballybay players have lost some respect for him over this.
Bound to have
Quote from: trailer on November 09, 2022, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 09, 2022, 09:41:24 AM
I would be of the opinion that a manager, just like the players, should have complete buy in to the team and what they are trying to accomplish.
We had a manager and came up against his home club, with his son's playing, and he didn't hold back in telling us to get stuck in and put them away. (side note, his son was in a "heated discussion" with one of our players, and he was happy to stand and watch impartially to that).
I would imagine some of those Ballybay players have lost some respect for him over this.
Bound to have
Would they? He's brought them their first senior title in 10 years he'll be fondly remembered no matter what.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 09, 2022, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on November 09, 2022, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 09, 2022, 09:41:24 AM
I would be of the opinion that a manager, just like the players, should have complete buy in to the team and what they are trying to accomplish.
We had a manager and came up against his home club, with his son's playing, and he didn't hold back in telling us to get stuck in and put them away. (side note, his son was in a "heated discussion" with one of our players, and he was happy to stand and watch impartially to that).
I would imagine some of those Ballybay players have lost some respect for him over this.
Bound to have
Would they? He's brought them their first senior title in 10 years he'll be fondly remembered no matter what.
True, he has, but he has inadvertently hampered their preparations for there first run in Ulster in 10 years also with this. Is he not training the team this week, or setting them up tactically, mentally etc etc, does anyone know if he is taking the week off completely?
Imagine he didn't step aside. Doubts would creep in.
The first thing the players would think is, this c*nt probably doesn't care if we get beat.
At least now they know, his loyalty is with his home club.
He's out of the set-up until the match is over.
It's a no big deal.
The whole Jerome Johnson thing is over-hyped, your man Doran is in the set up also and prob a whole host of other backroom team. I think he has done the correct thing and just allow the players to get on with it. Once the players cross the white line not much the manager can do to help them.
On a different note I cannot remember any Kilcoo games being played in Clones in the Ulster campaign all been in Armagh/Newry/Breffini/Omagh over the last number of years
I remember going to Clones a few years ago to see them beat Scotstown, roughly 5/6 years ago.
Has he stepped away from training too? And picking the team and tactics? I doubt it, in which case it's all for show. If he has stepped away from all those things it's given Kilcoo a massive advantage as that would be very unsettling for a team.
Quote from: Mario on November 10, 2022, 07:16:37 AM
Has he stepped away from training too? And picking the team and tactics? I doubt it, in which case it's all for show. If he has stepped away from all those things it's given Kilcoo a massive advantage as that would be very unsettling for a team.
At this stage of the game, tactically trying to break down Kilcoo is going to be difficult, the best one for doing that will be a Kilcoo man, if Ballybay win then he will have contributed a lot, but if he is not involved then Ballybay will still be fit, prepared and they will have already come through a tough club championship, having already beaten Cross, so I doubt they will not be ready for what happens next..
Anyway, back to the football, sideshows aside, does anyone think Ballybay could cause an upset? Personally don't think they will, their forwards wont get near much space as they did against Cross and Kilcoo very rarely concede goal chances
I think they will win. I don't think Kilcoo will have the same hunger and Ballybay are a good team. They won't, like you say, get the same space but they have quite a few avenues to cause a bit of bother. Ballybay by 2.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 10, 2022, 08:58:19 AM
I think they will win. I don't think Kilcoo will have the same hunger and Ballybay are a good team. They won't, like you say, get the same space but they have quite a few avenues to cause a bit of bother. Ballybay by 2.
Kilcoo will grind out a win in extra time, Think Cargin's game will go to extra time also... Two draws, thank me later :D
I would be surprised if Cargin got that close. I think Glenties might win by a wee bit. Too much experience.
Might be a good shout on the Kilcoo game though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 10, 2022, 08:58:19 AM
I think they will win. I don't think Kilcoo will have the same hunger and Ballybay are a good team. They won't, like you say, get the same space but they have quite a few avenues to cause a bit of bother. Ballybay by 2.
I think they will. They're the sort of boys that will want to prove last year wasn't a fluke and they'll want to put themselves up there with the likes of Cross and Corofin as some of the top club teams ever.
They're very good to be fair to them but not that good. The likes of Laverty who pulls a lot of strings for them getting on a bit too though they've a few good younger players but none in that league.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 10, 2022, 09:25:33 AM
They're very good to be fair to them but not that good. The likes of Laverty who pulls a lot of strings for them getting on a bit too though they've a few good younger players but none in that league.
Yeah agreed, still plenty of ball in him yet although who knows if he'll step away next year with having the Down job. Hunger and doggedness will still be there although they got the rub of the green last year and came through a lot of tight battles on the right side, remains to be seen if they'll do it again this year, but it'll take some team to beat them.
They are one of the most dogged teams you'd ever see tbf to them and that's one of their biggest assets. Laverty was creaking a bit last year. Still plenty of other good ones though. I was impressed by Ballybay - for a club team with not much experience they showed a lot of game savvy against Cross and in the McGuinness brothers, Ward, Finlay and the Wylies they have some excellent standard players for club level.
Ballybay are a big side a lot of physical lads around the middle but hard to look past kilcoo could see them winning by a point or 2. I can't see Cargin v glenties going to extra time I reckon glenties will win by a couple of points
Here's the positives for Cargin, they are at home, a ground where they have won plenty of big games in recent years.
They have had a few weeks to prepare for this game, so any injury worries have had a chance to clear up
New manager but, he's been involved in plenty of big games and will have done his homework on this team
At some point you need to call on that experience to get you over the line and Cargin will have to use all that on Sunday
Glenties aren't a team that pulls away, its a dogged team and providing Cargin are a score away with 10 minutes to go they are in with a chance..
The pitches and weather will be a lot better than it was for their club final, Cargin are a better team on a 'clean' surface
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2022, 10:24:24 AM
Here's the positives for Cargin, they are at home, a ground where they have won plenty of big games in recent years.
They have had a few weeks to prepare for this game, so any injury worries have had a chance to clear up
New manager but, he's been involved in plenty of big games and will have done his homework on this team
At some point you need to call on that experience to get you over the line and Cargin will have to use all that on Sunday
Glenties aren't a team that pulls away, its a dogged team and providing Cargin are a score away with 10 minutes to go they are in with a chance..
The pitches and weather will be a lot better than it was for their club final, Cargin are a better team on a 'clean' surface
Is Cargin the name of a townland ?
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 10, 2022, 09:54:44 AM
Ballybay are a big side a lot of physical lads around the middle but hard to look past kilcoo could see them winning by a point or 2. I can't see Cargin v glenties going to extra time I reckon glenties will win by a couple of points
Ballybay had their homework done v Cross, they were set up really well and with a bit of luck on their side came out quite comfortably. They'll give Kilcoo their fill of it alright and I agree with milltown we could be looking at a draw. I think Naomh Conaill will edge Cargin, they'll play the game on their terms and squeeze it out.
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2022, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2022, 10:24:24 AM
Here's the positives for Cargin, they are at home, a ground where they have won plenty of big games in recent years.
They have had a few weeks to prepare for this game, so any injury worries have had a chance to clear up
New manager but, he's been involved in plenty of big games and will have done his homework on this team
At some point you need to call on that experience to get you over the line and Cargin will have to use all that on Sunday
Glenties aren't a team that pulls away, its a dogged team and providing Cargin are a score away with 10 minutes to go they are in with a chance..
The pitches and weather will be a lot better than it was for their club final, Cargin are a better team on a 'clean' surface
Is Cargin the name of a townland ?
I am not a local but Cargin is the name of the club, the village is Toome, not sure if there is a townland of Cargin per se but don't think it
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 10, 2022, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2022, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2022, 10:24:24 AM
Here's the positives for Cargin, they are at home, a ground where they have won plenty of big games in recent years.
They have had a few weeks to prepare for this game, so any injury worries have had a chance to clear up
New manager but, he's been involved in plenty of big games and will have done his homework on this team
At some point you need to call on that experience to get you over the line and Cargin will have to use all that on Sunday
Glenties aren't a team that pulls away, its a dogged team and providing Cargin are a score away with 10 minutes to go they are in with a chance..
The pitches and weather will be a lot better than it was for their club final, Cargin are a better team on a 'clean' surface
Is Cargin the name of a townland ?
I am not a local but Cargin is the name of the club, the village is Toome, not sure if there is a townland of Cargin per se but don't think it
On the crest the Irish name is Carragan so it must be somewhere around Toome
Yes there is a a Cargin road just a couple of mile out of toome heading towards Creggan. I THINK - although I could be corrected by the locals, that when the club was formed in 1923 that the original pitch was on this cargin Road. Pitch is now in the village,not central but it isn't a big place
Do these Ulster club championship games make it onto iptv? I won't be able to watch it live on Ulster GAA tv. but I could record an iptv stream.
GRMA
Toome has the same name as Tuam in Galway.
Where can I watch the Kilcco/Ballybay game? The Glenn/Errigal Ciaran game is on RTE (or TG4)
Quote from: befair on November 12, 2022, 04:50:22 PM
Where can I watch the Kilcco/Ballybay game? The Glenn/Errigal Ciaran game is on RTE (or TG4)
https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/
Quote from: befair on November 12, 2022, 04:50:22 PM
Where can I watch the Kilcco/Ballybay game? The Glenn/Errigal Ciaran game is on RTE (or TG4)
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2022/11/get-your-ulster-club-championship-stream-pass/
Quote from: LeoMc on November 12, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Quote from: befair on November 12, 2022, 04:50:22 PM
Where can I watch the Kilcco/Ballybay game? The Glenn/Errigal Ciaran game is on RTE (or TG4)
https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/
Thanks
Gowna had a great chance to go 2 up in injury time but kicked it short and Enniskillen went down and got the equaliser. Extra time now.
Penalties!
The gowna men forbidden to play the foreign game, Enniskillen with all their soccer players win the shootout with 5/5, gowna missed 1.
Enniskillen win. As the commentators said the referee probably played a part in the Gowna penalty miss. The player was made to wait too long before hitting it.
Gowna were unlucky, referee didn't help delaying penalty taker to move other players. Enniskillen keeper done plenty of verbals in that time. Not ideal and he then missed.
Thought Conor Madden was unlucky to get red also but it didn't make any difference he was back on soon after for extra time.
Gowna really should have won regardless. Cavans poor record in Ulster club continues, that was definitely a winnable game compared to other teams in it.
Cahair O Kane must have been watching a different game. He was tweeting like Enniskillen were so superior. There wasn't much in it. A very heavy pitch but a good game to watch. Ryan Donahoe had a bad miss at the end of extra time to win it. Referee was overly fussy,
Very poor form from the referee. Cian Madden was punished with an overly long wait for the penalty because of the actions of the Enniskillen squad.
Gowna should have won it in normal time and extra time though. Enniskillen Gaels had superior forwards. Conor Love is a class act.
Love is a good corner forward. The other corner forward John Reihill showed well early on. They are young enough, 2
Gowna need Oisin Pierson fully fit next year.
Quote from: Westside on November 12, 2022, 10:00:12 PM
Very poor form from the referee. Cian Madden was punished with an overly long wait for the penalty because of the actions of the Enniskillen squad.
Gowna should have won it in normal time and extra time though. Enniskillen Gaels had superior forwards. Conor Love is a class act.
Yeah but they didn't .
Fair play to the Gaels .
Nothing like beating a Cavan Team
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2022, 11:24:39 PM
Nothing like beating a Cavan Team
Have you never eaten an ice cream?
Quote from: LeoMc on November 12, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Quote from: befair on November 12, 2022, 04:50:22 PM
Where can I watch the Kilcco/Ballybay game? The Glenn/Errigal Ciaran game is on RTE (or TG4)
https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/
Presumably CNN and Closer magazine will be providing parallel analysis of the developing Johnston situation which has convulsed social media all week.
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2022, 11:18:43 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 12, 2022, 10:00:12 PM
Very poor form from the referee. Cian Madden was punished with an overly long wait for the penalty because of the actions of the Enniskillen squad.
Gowna should have won it in normal time and extra time though. Enniskillen Gaels had superior forwards. Conor Love is a class act.
Yeah but they didn't .
Fair play to the Gaels .
For a pitch that is waterlogged a lot ,I don't know why Enniskillen Gaels and Fermanagh county team share the same pitch
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2022, 09:25:25 PM
Gowna were unlucky, referee didn't help delaying penalty taker to move other players. Enniskillen keeper done plenty of verbals in that time. Not ideal and he then missed.
Thought Conor Madden was unlucky to get red also but it didn't make any difference he was back on soon after for extra time.
Gowna really should have won regardless. Cavans poor record in Ulster club continues, that was definitely a winnable game compared to other teams in it.
I thought it had to be a different player replaced him
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2022, 11:18:43 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 12, 2022, 10:00:12 PM
Very poor form from the referee. Cian Madden was punished with an overly long wait for the penalty because of the actions of the Enniskillen squad.
Gowna should have won it in normal time and extra time though. Enniskillen Gaels had superior forwards. Conor Love is a class act.
Yeah but they didn't .
Fair play to the Gaels .
Yeah they were sticky, Gowna failed to kill the game but Enniskillen still had to take advantage of that failure and they did.
Good year to compare club standards in Fermanagh and Cavan. One each so far, Drumlane v Newtownbutler will be the decider.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 13, 2022, 09:35:04 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2022, 11:18:43 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 12, 2022, 10:00:12 PM
Very poor form from the referee. Cian Madden was punished with an overly long wait for the penalty because of the actions of the Enniskillen squad.
Gowna should have won it in normal time and extra time though. Enniskillen Gaels had superior forwards. Conor Love is a class act.
Yeah but they didn't .
Fair play to the Gaels .
For a pitch that is waterlogged a lot ,I don't know why Enniskillen Gaels and Fermanagh county team share the same pitch
There isn't much dry land in Fermanagh not owned by Protestants.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:40:12 AM
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2022, 09:25:25 PM
Gowna were unlucky, referee didn't help delaying penalty taker to move other players. Enniskillen keeper done plenty of verbals in that time. Not ideal and he then missed.
Thought Conor Madden was unlucky to get red also but it didn't make any difference he was back on soon after for extra time.
Gowna really should have won regardless. Cavans poor record in Ulster club continues, that was definitely a winnable game compared to other teams in it.
I thought it had to be a different player replaced him
That is the rule. We had a player red carded in our championship 1/4 final and he couldn't play in extra time. Did this actually happen last night?
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 10:25:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:40:12 AM
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2022, 09:25:25 PM
Gowna were unlucky, referee didn't help delaying penalty taker to move other players. Enniskillen keeper done plenty of verbals in that time. Not ideal and he then missed.
Thought Conor Madden was unlucky to get red also but it didn't make any difference he was back on soon after for extra time.
Gowna really should have won regardless. Cavans poor record in Ulster club continues, that was definitely a winnable game compared to other teams in it.
I thought it had to be a different player replaced him
That is the rule. We had a player red carded in our championship 1/4 final and he couldn't play in extra time. Did this actually happen last night?
If he was red carded he should not have played? Black cards continue into extra time as do Notes, yellow cards are rescinded
Quote from: armaghniac on November 13, 2022, 10:25:06 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 13, 2022, 09:35:04 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2022, 11:18:43 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 12, 2022, 10:00:12 PM
Very poor form from the referee. Cian Madden was punished with an overly long wait for the penalty because of the actions of the Enniskillen squad.
Gowna should have won it in normal time and extra time though. Enniskillen Gaels had superior forwards. Conor Love is a class act.
Yeah but they didn't .
Fair play to the Gaels .
For a pitch that is waterlogged a lot ,I don't know why Enniskillen Gaels and Fermanagh county team share the same pitch
There isn't much dry land in Fermanagh not owned by Protestants.
The pitch in Ederney was in great shape. A lovely ground and set up.
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 10:25:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:40:12 AM
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2022, 09:25:25 PM
Gowna were unlucky, referee didn't help delaying penalty taker to move other players. Enniskillen keeper done plenty of verbals in that time. Not ideal and he then missed.
Thought Conor Madden was unlucky to get red also but it didn't make any difference he was back on soon after for extra time.
Gowna really should have won regardless. Cavans poor record in Ulster club continues, that was definitely a winnable game compared to other teams in it.
I thought it had to be a different player replaced him
That is the rule. We had a player red carded in our championship 1/4 final and he couldn't play in extra time. Did this actually happen last night?
Yeah I know when Armagh played Galway, McCabe couldn't play extra time nor could Nugent and Kelly when they got reds. No idea if it happened last night
Conor Madden didn't play extra time after the red.
Kilcoo 4
Ballybay 1
12 minutes gone
Naomh Conaill 5
Carraigin 3
Half time kilcoo 0-8 Ballybay 1-2 soft penalty keeping Ballybay in it. Kilcoo much better team have the breeze on their backs for the 2nd half.
Kilcoo in control, look v comfortable. Incredible point from Ryan Mcevoy
Ryan Johnstons sublime goal, Ryan McEvoy blocks a goal two huge plays of the 2nd half so far.
Kilkoo 1 10
Ballybay 1 05
46 minutes gone
Naomh Conaill 1- 9
Carraigin 0-9
Last gasp goal for cargin. ET to come
Sin e
Kilcoo 2 -14
Ballybay 1-7
Kilcoo very impressive great keeper, great backs, great midfield, great forwards and great subs :)
Some display big Kilcoo have to hand it to them
Kilcoo laying down a marker, team to beat again
I think only 4 teams have retained the title- UCD, Finbarrs, Cross and Corofin
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2022, 03:05:11 PM
Kilcoo laying down a marker, team to beat again
After a number of close and highly competitive matches in Down that's impressive win for Kilcoo against a Ballybay side who looked good themselves the last day.
Looks like tough All-Ireland to call Moycullen and Kilmacud are fairly motoring also.
Was that not a foul on the Errigal keeper for the Glen goal?
Looked like a foul to me
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 03:37:03 PM
Was that not a foul on the Errigal keeper for the Glen goal?
definitely looked a clear foul to me.
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 03:37:03 PM
Was that not a foul on the Errigal keeper for the Glen goal?
Free out without doubt. Strange not to consult umpires.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 13, 2022, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 03:37:03 PM
Was that not a foul on the Errigal keeper for the Glen goal?
definitely looked a clear foul to me.
100% easy one for the ref to get, laughable a ref at this level to let that go
Glen should have had a penalty there. Ref having a nightmare so far.
Even more laughable that Glen didn't get a penalty lol
Peter Harte save incredible!! Coolness..
Should have been a penalty
Quote from: tintin25 on November 13, 2022, 03:41:58 PM
Even more laughable that Glen didn't get a penalty lol
Trying to even it up lol
Cargin win penalty shootout! Brilliant drama
Well done Cargin
Ref having a shocker here in General, Errigal on top, but I think looking at some flags they got a strong wind.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2022, 03:47:10 PM
Cargin win penalty shootout! Brilliant drama
Well done Cargin
Another bad year for the Donegal club.
Some point by Canavan there, Glen Struggling
Another good point by Canavan, Glen wouldn't have the stand out forwards that say Slaughtneil have.
Glen could run off 3 points in a row there, keeping going for goals.
Eireagail Chiarain go gasta according to Raidio na Gaeltachta
Quote from: seafoid on November 13, 2022, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2022, 03:47:10 PM
Cargin win penalty shootout! Brilliant drama
Well done Cargin
Another bad year for the Donegal club.
Cargin are a good team. Michael and Tomas McCann are quality footballers. Pat Shivers a really good young forward.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 13, 2022, 03:57:57 PM
Another good point by Canavan, Glen wouldn't have the stand out forwards that say Slaughtneil have.
I though the Wattys were unbackable earlier in the week.
Great game of football Errigal just have that bit more in the forwards. Well done Cargin.
If u noticed that was the media in general, not directly coming out if Glen itself. They playing very open against the wind, strange move from Malachy O'Rourke.
Errigal forwards worth the admission fee great finishing so far
I take it there's a hefty breeze? Errigal moved the ball up the field effortlessly that half. Really nice to watch.
Quality quality stuff, the 2 Canavan's movement & pace is frightening. Ref not blowing much, both teams earning their frees. EC goalkeeper looks a bit fragile - but 1st goal was a stonewall free.
Faloon let's it go man doesn't touch his whistle- there must be a good gust blowing
Errigal keepers kick outs are killing them he looks completely rattled
3rd Glenn goal, level game. Not sure what happened to Errigal defence there.
Glen supporters are the equivalent of soccer fans with all the horn blowing at every free.
Aye them horns at gaa games are brutal
Must be some breeze at this game, Errigal all over Glen in the first Half, no Glen doing the reverse.
Glen the better team and should be more ahead having given some bad balls away needlessly.
Errigal keeper not good enough against the wind with his kickouts.
Bradley and Glass have been immense.
Tyrone teams gonna Tyrone...
are errigal sore losers.
1-9 to 0-4 in favour of Glen in that 2nd half. The wait for Tyrone winner of this championship goes into a 21st year.
Tyrone Champions bite the dust once again.
Glen seem a hateful outfit.
Good game
Got such a tough championship (allegedly) Tyrone club is piss poor
Glass showed why he's the all star midfielder in front of R O'Neill from the previous week. Though he made an awful balls up of a 4th Goal. Glen don't look like they got the forwards to beat Kilcoo, though got a serious Midfield. Warnock should been on the younger Canavan from the start.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 13, 2022, 04:54:22 PM
Glass showed why he's the all star midfielder in front of R O'Neill from the previous week. Though he made an awful balls up of a 4th Goal. Glen don't look like they got the forwards to beat Kilcoo, though got a serious Midfield. Warnock should been on the younger Canavan from the start.
Glen will have to beat Cargin first
Glass build changed alot from the aussie rules by the look of it, he def dropped over a stone, different type of training now I suppose.
Very enjoyable game of football but was v surprised with Errigal in final quarter. Bombing 13 men of various sizes forward then lumping it in high, is the most useless of tactics. Bemoaning the referee every time you are clearly stood in the square, or chip a man to the ground, means culture of passing the buck over taking personal responsibility. It's small margins at this level. Glen are wiser than their years to be fair.
Errigal Ciaran lost that game on their own kick out. Only got 2 of 12
They up against a county Midfield
Jesus people can hardly wait to twist the knife.
Great game with 2 very good teams. Glenn benefited from a very dubious 1st goal and general defensive ropiness for another. For all of Glenn's 2nd half dominance I thought Oguz was very good in MF for errigal, Peter Harte's quality evident throughout too. I'll be very surprised now if we don't get the Glenn v Kilcoo final.
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 04:51:55 PM
Glen seem a hateful outfit.
Strange take.
Good game of football. Intense stuff with some fine scores
Glen are a very athletic, well organised teams but I think they lack a bit of spontaneity, everything is very structured. This Ulster championship will be settled by another arm wrestle between them and Kilcoo and I reckon Glens greater hunger will see them home this time.
Any ideas where Glen -v- Cargin will take place they are only 20 mins away from eachother but not sure where the closest big ground is to hold such a game
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 13, 2022, 05:31:14 PM
Any ideas where Glen -v- Cargin will take place they are only 20 mins away from eachother but not sure where the closest big ground is to hold such a game
Was wondering that myself , probably wouldn't even be 20 minutes between the grounds
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on November 13, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 13, 2022, 05:31:14 PM
Any ideas where Glen -v- Cargin will take place they are only 20 mins away from eachother but not sure where the closest big ground is to hold such a game
Was wondering that myself , probably wouldn't even be 20 minutes between the grounds
Wait and see they will stick it at athletic grounds lol
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 13, 2022, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on November 13, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 13, 2022, 05:31:14 PM
Any ideas where Glen -v- Cargin will take place they are only 20 mins away from eachother but not sure where the closest big ground is to hold such a game
Was wondering that myself , probably wouldn't even be 20 minutes between the grounds
Wait and see they will stick it at athletic grounds lol
Expect it to be athletic grounds, or Newry lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 13, 2022, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on November 13, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 13, 2022, 05:31:14 PM
Any ideas where Glen -v- Cargin will take place they are only 20 mins away from eachother but not sure where the closest big ground is to hold such a game
Was wondering that myself , probably wouldn't even be 20 minutes between the grounds
Wait and see they will stick it at athletic grounds lol
Expect it to be athletic grounds, or Newry lol
Has to neutral venue, so that's not far fetched. Image a possibility too, but most likely Armagh.
Better team won. EC not far enough in front at half time and Glen had them reeled in very early in the second half. Shocking non-decisions for the first Glen goal and the non-penalty.
When the keeper was shoulder in the small square, I couldn't understand how a free out wasn't given, I think it's the first time I ever seen that, and then to keep up with whistling nothing the whole game, the keeper levels the Glen lad feet first and no penalty. 2 very poor decisions but what's umpired their for anyway, not that the ref could halt play to consult
Probably armagh but omagh would be handier
If it was the older days where club grounds were used they could toss for it and play it in bellagy or Portglenone
Not a great day out for the fans though
Corduff and Banty are a crowd of you know what. Their tactics today and last day out are nothing short of savagery.
And once again refs too scared to call out Banty and his antics along the line. Disgusting shower.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 13, 2022, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 04:51:55 PM
Glen seem a hateful outfit.
Strange take.
Good game of football. Intense stuff with some fine scores
Exactly, really enjoyed the game. In fact really enjoyable and competitive weekend of football.
Glass was outstanding. At this level he's an absolute handful. Along with Bradley best midfield left in competition by some margin. Kilcoo could do nothing with Glass last year and they (should they meet in final) will have the same quandary again this year. They did try to bypass midfield last year with some success but mc Faul's presence made this extremely difficult for them. His absence this year may be very keenly felt against Kilcoo.
I thought the one week turn around hurt Ballybay. They have quite a few personnel well in their 30's and this was definitely a factor in their defeat against the strong running Kilcoo men.
I hope both semi finals will be competitive at least, but i have a feeling both Cargin and Enniskillen Gaels could be beaten by big margins(hope im wrong).
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 13, 2022, 05:31:14 PM
Any ideas where Glen -v- Cargin will take place they are only 20 mins away from eachother but not sure where the closest big ground is to hold such a game
Ballymena showgrounds is fairly neutral , so it is hi
Gstq at start. Keep the locals happy. Bitta stock car racin at ht
Its Elk carpark for me tbh
And loads a poppys
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 13, 2022, 07:44:04 PM
Gstq at start. Keep the locals happy. Bitta stock car racin at ht
Its Elk carpark for me tbh
Too close to toome
Go up to the roundabout
Ya fair enough. SDC? 😂
Anyone see the video of the Glenullin Galbally younguns fightin at end of their match? V funny. Few karate kicks on show
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 13, 2022, 07:53:44 PM
Ya fair enough. SDC? 😂
Anyone see the video of the Glenullin Galbally younguns fightin at end of their match? V funny. Few karate kicks on show
Was this on the official stream?
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 13, 2022, 07:53:44 PM
Ya fair enough. SDC? 😂
Anyone see the video of the Glenullin Galbally younguns fightin at end of their match? V funny. Few karate kicks on show
Was this on the official stream?
Yes just at the very end when they were summing up etc
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 13, 2022, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 13, 2022, 07:53:44 PM
Ya fair enough. SDC? 😂
Anyone see the video of the Glenullin Galbally younguns fightin at end of their match? V funny. Few karate kicks on show
Was this on the official stream?
Yes just at the very end when they were summing up etc
https://twitter.com/John290272/status/1591877479253544960?t=tkSHh7e7KE_ncN5r8LvAfw&s=19
Glen are a great outfit. Although they struggled against the wind and got their initial match ups wrong on the Canavans, you always thought O'Rourke would steady them at half time. Five minutes into the second half and it was hard to see EC winning. Glen have too many good players whilst EC are depending on maybe 5/6 at that level.
Thought Oguz played rightly against a top class opponent.
Kilcoo v Glen could fill any ground in Ulster. Will be titanic, and sorry for any disrespect to the others left.
Quote from: ONeill on November 13, 2022, 08:53:39 PM
Glen are a great outfit. Although they struggled against the wind and got their initial match ups wrong on the Canavans, you always thought O'Rourke would steady them at half time. Five minutes into the second half and it was hard to see EC winning. Glen have too many good players whilst EC are depending on maybe 5/6 at that level.
Thought Oguz played rightly against a top class opponent.
Kilcoo v Glen could fill any ground in Ulster. Will be titanic, and sorry for any disrespect to the others left.
On today's evidence hard to disagree with other than Kilcoo -v-Glen. Cargin and Enniskillen will give it their all no doubt but Kilcoo today showed what level they are operating at cruising home against a very good Ballybay team
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 04:51:55 PM
Glen seem a hateful outfit.
Bizarre comment. I suppose it says more about you than anything else.
No disrespect to cargin or enniskillen but it looks to be shaping up to another kilcoo v glen showdown. Both kilcoo and glen are operating at different level to the rest so this will be a ding dong.
Glen best defender is Warnock, who was kept at no. 6, Is the only match up for either Canavan, Dougan a big lad, not suited to Canavan at all. Once Warnock moved onto the younger Canavan he kept him fairly quite, but that Lad gonna be sore on Derry county teams for years to come. Great kicker of either foot, seems very small though.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 13, 2022, 09:29:44 PM
Glen best defender is Warnock, who was kept at no. 6, Is the only match up for either Canavan, Dougan a big lad, not suited to Canavan at all. Once Warnock moved onto the younger Canavan he kept him fairly quite, but that Lad gonna be sore on Derry county teams for years to come. Great kicker of either foot, seems very small though.
He was hung out to dry with how Glen were playing first half, getting turned over in the tackle and countered leaving the Canavans with half the pitch. Very unlike Glen over last couple of years. Won't get away with that against Kilcoo
Quote from: screenexile on November 13, 2022, 04:50:08 PM
Tyrone teams gonna Tyrone...
What way did Glenullin get on against Galbally sir?
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 13, 2022, 11:47:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 13, 2022, 04:50:08 PM
Tyrone teams gonna Tyrone...
What way did Glenullin get on against Galbally sir?
Screen with line out early doors. Hooks one just before close of play
Armagh is a more natural half way venue for Enniskillen v Kilcoo
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 13, 2022, 07:49:07 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 13, 2022, 07:44:04 PM
Gstq at start. Keep the locals happy. Bitta stock car racin at ht
Its Elk carpark for me tbh
Too close to toome
Go up to the roundabout
Newbridge or nowhere!
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 04:51:55 PM
Glen seem a hateful outfit.
Thought EC let themselves down at the very end trying to get a row started by slapping the Glen players.
Good game, Glen far better in 2nd half. No.9 had a great game. Serious power in that side. They will give all comers there fill of it. First goal obviously shouldn't have stood and the ref had a very poor 1st half.
Quote from: trailer on November 14, 2022, 09:47:13 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 13, 2022, 04:51:55 PM
Glen seem a hateful outfit.
Thought EC let themselves down at the very end trying to get a row started by slapping the Glen players.
Good game, Glen far better in 2nd half. No.9 had a great game. Serious power in that side. They will give all comers there fill of it. First goal obviously shouldn't have stood and the ref had a very poor 1st half.
Glen also should have had a pen but there was also a foul on an EC player at the other end that resulted in the turnover leading to attack for the pen foul. VAR would have been flat out.
Why was the late EC goal disallowed? Seems like they were screwed between that and the first goal.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 14, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
Why was the late EC goal disallowed? Seems like they were screwed between that and the first goal.
Square ball? Although I've no idea what the correct rule for that is these days.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 14, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
Why was the late EC goal disallowed? Seems like they were screwed between that and the first goal.
Square ball? Although I've no idea what the correct rule for that is these days.
Yeah player in square before pass made.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 14, 2022, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 14, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
Why was the late EC goal disallowed? Seems like they were screwed between that and the first goal.
Square ball? Although I've no idea what the correct rule for that is these days.
Yeah player in square before pass made.
I didnt think he was. There was a player in the square before the pass, but not the goalscorer.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 14, 2022, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 14, 2022, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 14, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
Why was the late EC goal disallowed? Seems like they were screwed between that and the first goal.
Square ball? Although I've no idea what the correct rule for that is these days.
Yeah player in square before pass made.
I didnt think he was. There was a player in the square before the pass, but not the goalscorer.
Think its still square ball, player in the square before ball played regardless of who scores
Gowna second goal was also a clear square ball
The EC goal looked legit, man was 100% outside the box. Wasn't aware that it was still a free even if a player was in there and didn't play the ball though.
Errigal Ciaran goal looked like a square ball in real time but there were no conclusive replays so difficult to say. They had legitimate complaints around the first half Glen goal though. Errigal tried the usual Tyrone stuff of trying to provoke a melee near the end of the match when they knew the game was up but Glen didn't fall for it. There won't be a better midfield pairing at club level in the country than the Glen midfield.
I thought the Glen number 10 was the main aggressor if you, and a few others, are referring to the thing with Ruairi Canavan towards the end.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 14, 2022, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 14, 2022, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 14, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
Why was the late EC goal disallowed? Seems like they were screwed between that and the first goal.
Square ball? Although I've no idea what the correct rule for that is these days.
Yeah player in square before pass made.
I didnt think he was. There was a player in the square before the pass, but not the goalscorer.
Think its still square ball, player in the square before ball played regardless of who scores
I wasn't sure the ball left the small square after it came back of the crossbar which if that was the case it couldn't have been square ball. Highlights weren't conclusive - would need to see again.
Regardless Errigal were far too open defensively to have any complaints about the result. They'll be a better side for the experience. But if the Tyrone championship is anything to go by they'll not be back in Ulster for a couple of years!
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 14, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
I thought the Glen number 10 was the main aggressor if you, and a few others, are referring to the thing with Ruairi Canavan towards the end.
Hardly. Daragh Canavan with a sneaky slap on Ethan during that schmozzle
Ai but what started the schmozzle?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 14, 2022, 11:14:00 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 14, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
I thought the Glen number 10 was the main aggressor if you, and a few others, are referring to the thing with Ruairi Canavan towards the end.
Hardly. Daragh Canavan with a sneaky slap on Ethan during that schmozzle
There was definitely a punch thrown by one of the EC lads at the end, not that it mattered Glen were too smart to get involved in a row at that stage. No disrespect to the other teams but really looking forward to the final now.
Anyone else find themselves agitated by the Glen physios constant intrusions onto the field? And the female one in particular, interfering in the handbags?
I know they've a job to do, but running helter skelter onto the pitch as soon as any Glen body part above the feet touches the ground, is ridiculous, and dangerous.
I hope that pair are fined and banned.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 14, 2022, 11:27:08 AM
Anyone else find themselves agitated by the Glen physios constant intrusions onto the field? And the female one in particular, interfering in the handbags?
I know they've a job to do, but running helter skelter onto the pitch as soon as any Glen body part above the feet touches the ground, is ridiculous, and dangerous.
I hope that pair are fined and banned.
Yeah not sure what she was at getting stuck in the middle of the handbags that time, could have been hurt if it had kicked off
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 14, 2022, 11:23:50 AM
Ai but what started the schmozzle?
If you think we started it good luck to ye. We must be doing something right!
I suspect your we would suggest you may be slightly less impartial than me ;D
Number 10 wouldn't let go of Ruairi Canavan so the big brother stepped in. If number 10 had got on with it then the latter part of it never would have happened. Ruairi Canavan's issue was with the ref's decision not your player.
Anyway - I don't really care tbh. I wanted to see you win but I just think it seems a bit harsh saying that Errigal were the ones who were always the aggressors!
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 14, 2022, 11:38:41 AM
I suspect your we would suggest you may be slightly less impartial than me ;D
Number 10 wouldn't let go of Ruairi Canavan so the big brother stepped in. If number 10 had got on with it then the latter part of it never would have happened. Ruairi Canavan's issue was with the ref's decision not your player.
Anyway - I don't really care tbh. I wanted to see you win but I just think it seems a bit harsh saying that Errigal were the ones who were always the aggressors!
So holding someone and striking someone are comparable. Good ITG!
That's not my point at all... all I'm saying is Errigal were not always the big bad aggressors as depicted by some here!!
My recollection is of Ruairi Canavan starting it with number 10 from Glen being the next man in. Canavan was getting visibly more frustrated as the game went on as he was eventually worn down physically and looked knackered towards the end. Glen held their composure though as there was only going to be one team benefiting from getting into a melee at that stage.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2022, 11:54:15 AM
My recollection is of Ruairi Canavan starting it with number 10 from Glen being the next man in. Canavan was getting visibly more frustrated as the game went on as he was eventually worn down physically and looked knackered towards the end. Glen held their composure though as there was only going to be one team benefiting from getting into a melee at that stage.
What is the benefit of this melee though, especially at that stage?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2022, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2022, 11:54:15 AM
My recollection is of Ruairi Canavan starting it with number 10 from Glen being the next man in. Canavan was getting visibly more frustrated as the game went on as he was eventually worn down physically and looked knackered towards the end. Glen held their composure though as there was only going to be one team benefiting from getting into a melee at that stage.
What is the benefit of this melee though, especially at that stage?
Benefit is probably not the right term but Errigal knew they were out of the championship at that point and had absolutely nothing to lose by venting their frustrations and getting sucked into a melee. Tyrone done the same thing against Armagh in the Athletic Grounds during the League when they had 4 men sent off when they were being soundly beaten but Armagh took the bait that day and got sucked in.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2022, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2022, 11:54:15 AM
My recollection is of Ruairi Canavan starting it with number 10 from Glen being the next man in. Canavan was getting visibly more frustrated as the game went on as he was eventually worn down physically and looked knackered towards the end. Glen held their composure though as there was only going to be one team benefiting from getting into a melee at that stage.
What is the benefit of this melee though, especially at that stage?
Benefit is probably not the right term but Errigal knew they were out of the championship at that point and had absolutely nothing to lose by venting their frustrations and getting sucked into a melee. Tyrone done the same thing against Armagh in the Athletic Grounds during the League when they had 4 men sent off when they were being soundly beaten but Armagh took the bait that day and got sucked in.
Not this one again! ;D
Glen had got their match ups at the start, they won by far more. Not sure what glass was doing for the goal miss, saying he roofed the bck of the net against Clare. Mcfaul a big miss in a tight game, plus a physical presence like Stevie O'Hara starting at Full forward. First goal shouldn't counted but def penalty not given. Errigal last goal attempt was obvious square ball from watching on TV.
Great game yesterday in Celtic Park. Errigal did well for long periods but couldn't get the ball from their own kickouts in second half. Glen are an excellent team with some standout individuals.
Kilcoo looked really good to and seem to get better when going into this competition. Does look very much like those 2 in a mouth watering final in armagh.
Kudos to both enniskillen and cargin who won penalty shoot outs to reach an ulster semi final. Great boosts for both counties and it will be interesting to see how they get on.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 14, 2022, 02:10:24 PM
Glen had got their match ups at the start, they won by far more. Not sure what glass was doing for the goal miss, saying he roofed the bck of the net against Clare. Mcfaul a big miss in a tight game, plus a physical presence like Stevie O'Hara starting at Full forward. First goal shouldn't counted but def penalty not given. Errigal last goal attempt was obvious square ball from watching on TV.
The penalty shout was outside the box though. Should have been a free in
The strike I saw was from EC 7 P Og McCartan. The Glen female physio was tending to the struck player at the time, turned to McCartan and told him to eff off.
Ethan Doherty was man of the match for me. Great engine and was used to nullify EC attack late on. As for who started the schmozzles etc., there was an earlier free given for off the ball foul on R Canavan... I'm guessing it wasn't an isolated incident and both D and R Canavan got a lot of close attention throughout, legal or otherwise. This frustration built up to the melee.
For consistency Tommy Canavan had a better game than his cousins.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on November 14, 2022, 03:26:09 PM
The strike I saw was from EC 7 P Og McCartan. The Glen female physio was tending to the struck player at the time, turned to McCartan and told him to eff off.
Ethan Doherty was man of the match for me. Great engine and was used to nullify EC attack late on. As for who started the schmozzles etc., there was an earlier free given for off the ball foul on R Canavan... I'm guessing it wasn't an isolated incident and both D and R Canavan got a lot of close attention throughout, legal or otherwise. This frustration built up to the melee.
For consistency Tommy Canavan had a better game than his cousins.
Thankyou. Wasnt sure of the Canavan setup but didnt like to ask. Didnt think they were all brothers tbh. I know peter had 2 sons on yday is there a third? Was there just 3 canavans started yday (watched with a hangover in my defence 😉)
Has Pascal any sons playing?
all of the excitement is gone now with the vendetta match over
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 14, 2022, 02:10:24 PM
Glen had got their match ups at the start, they won by far more. Not sure what glass was doing for the goal miss, saying he roofed the bck of the net against Clare. Mcfaul a big miss in a tight game, plus a physical presence like Stevie O'Hara starting at Full forward. First goal shouldn't counted but def penalty not given. Errigal last goal attempt was obvious square ball from watching on TV.
The penalty shout was outside the box though. Should have been a free in
the one where the keeper took the forward out? That wasnt outside the box
Quote from: seafoid on November 14, 2022, 03:47:45 PM
all of the excitement is gone now with the vendetta match over
What vendetta match ?
Glen are 1/12 to beat Cargin - with Cargin at 7/1
Kilcoo are 1/14 to beat Enniskillen with Enniskillen 15/2
67/1 cargin/enniskillen double- shows you how much chance the bookies give them
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2022, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2022, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2022, 11:54:15 AM
My recollection is of Ruairi Canavan starting it with number 10 from Glen being the next man in. Canavan was getting visibly more frustrated as the game went on as he was eventually worn down physically and looked knackered towards the end. Glen held their composure though as there was only going to be one team benefiting from getting into a melee at that stage.
What is the benefit of this melee though, especially at that stage?
Benefit is probably not the right term but Errigal knew they were out of the championship at that point and had absolutely nothing to lose by venting their frustrations and getting sucked into a melee. Tyrone done the same thing against Armagh in the Athletic Grounds during the League when they had 4 men sent off when they were being soundly beaten but Armagh took the bait that day and got sucked in.
Yes but that brave Armagh team went on to recover from this heinous act of provocation to win the All Ireland.
Quote from: The Trap on November 14, 2022, 02:18:02 PM
Great game yesterday in Celtic Park. Errigal did well for long periods but couldn't get the ball from their own kickouts in second half. Glen are an excellent team with some standout individuals.
Kilcoo looked really good to and seem to get better when going into this competition. Does look very much like those 2 in a mouth watering final in armagh.
Kudos to both enniskillen and cargin who won penalty shoot outs to reach an ulster semi final. Great boosts for both counties and it will be interesting to see how they get on.
There was a camera angle behind the EC keeper in the second half when he was taking a kickout and there was absolutely no movement or areas for him to kick to that gave them a chance to retain possession and Glen duly won clean possession from it.
That's a systematic failure rather than just a keepers one.
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 14, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Glen are 1/12 to beat Cargin - with Cargin at 7/1
Kilcoo are 1/14 to beat Enniskillen with Enniskillen 15/2
67/1 cargin/enniskillen double- shows you how much chance the bookies give them
Yep, Handicap is +8 for both games. I think Kilcoo has best chance of beating that.
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Quote from: The Trap on November 14, 2022, 02:18:02 PM
Great game yesterday in Celtic Park. Errigal did well for long periods but couldn't get the ball from their own kickouts in second half. Glen are an excellent team with some standout individuals.
Kilcoo looked really good to and seem to get better when going into this competition. Does look very much like those 2 in a mouth watering final in armagh.
Kudos to both enniskillen and cargin who won penalty shoot outs to reach an ulster semi final. Great boosts for both counties and it will be interesting to see how they get on.
There was a camera angle behind the EC keeper in the second half when he was taking a kickout and there was absolutely no movement or areas for him to kick to that gave them a chance to retain possession and Glen duly won clean possession from it.
That's a systematic failure rather than just a keepers one.
So it wasn't just the Glen kick out they were surrendering.
Quote from: trailer on November 14, 2022, 04:31:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2022, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2022, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2022, 11:54:15 AM
My recollection is of Ruairi Canavan starting it with number 10 from Glen being the next man in. Canavan was getting visibly more frustrated as the game went on as he was eventually worn down physically and looked knackered towards the end. Glen held their composure though as there was only going to be one team benefiting from getting into a melee at that stage.
What is the benefit of this melee though, especially at that stage?
Benefit is probably not the right term but Errigal knew they were out of the championship at that point and had absolutely nothing to lose by venting their frustrations and getting sucked into a melee. Tyrone done the same thing against Armagh in the Athletic Grounds during the League when they had 4 men sent off when they were being soundly beaten but Armagh took the bait that day and got sucked in.
Yes but that brave Armagh team went on to recover from this heinous act of provocation to win the All Ireland.
Another Tyrone club dumped on their holes in the Ulster Club.
Shows what a poor state Armagh club football is in, as Ballybay beat Cross well who walked through Armagh, and Ballybay got a 10 point beating at the weekend
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 15, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
Shows what a poor state Armagh club football is in, as Ballybay beat Cross well who walked through Armagh, and Ballybay got a 10 point beating at the weekend
Probably, although Cross are a better side than they showed against Ballybay for sure, Ballybay a good side who probably didn't do themselves justice with the short turn around for the Kilcoo game, know a couple of their lads weren't at 100%.
Kilcoo at different animal at this level though who have been knocking about for years
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 15, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
Shows what a poor state Armagh club football is in, as Ballybay beat Cross well who walked through Armagh, and Ballybay got a 10 point beating at the weekend
We'll I'm sure if we rolled a few clubs together and let them field as a stand-alone team we'd have a side capable of emulating the mighty Errigal...
Look on the bright side, you've the Intermediate & Junior winners elect.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 15, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
Shows what a poor state Armagh club football is in, as Ballybay beat Cross well who walked through Armagh, and Ballybay got a 10 point beating at the weekend
If you base it on results at Ulster club level then its certainly no worse than the Tyrone championship where their winners perenially get knocked out early.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2022, 11:28:46 AM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 15, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
Shows what a poor state Armagh club football is in, as Ballybay beat Cross well who walked through Armagh, and Ballybay got a 10 point beating at the weekend
Probably, although Cross are a better side than they showed against Ballybay for sure, Ballybay a good side who probably didn't do themselves justice with the short turn around for the Kilcoo game, know a couple of their lads weren't at 100%.
Kilcoo at different animal at this level though who have been knocking about for years
Seeing how impressive Ballybay was against Crossmaglen it was a bit of surprise to see Kilcoo win so comfortably when you consider they had a number of close contests in the Down championship recently.
Current Ulster championship odds. Interesting Glen the slight favourites.
Glen 5/6
Kilcoo 11/10
Cargin 16/1
Enniskillen Gaels 22/1
Glen v cargin
Live on tg4
1.30 at omagh Sunday 27th
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 15, 2022, 11:28:46 AM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 15, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
Shows what a poor state Armagh club football is in, as Ballybay beat Cross well who walked through Armagh, and Ballybay got a 10 point beating at the weekend
Probably, although Cross are a better side than they showed against Ballybay for sure,
I'm not so sure. Anyone who has watched Armagh club football consistently over the last five years knows it's been flailing.
Yes the fact that there is no excellent team has led to an much more exciting championship - four different winners in six seasons - but the standard is probably one of the worst in Ulster I'd wager. I'd say Monaghan club football is a mile ahead of Armagh currently in so many facets.
Mayobridge were decent though we managed to beat them during their better years..
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Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 15, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
Shows what a poor state Armagh club football is in, as Ballybay beat Cross well who walked through Armagh, and Ballybay got a 10 point beating at the weekend
Probably, although Cross are a better side than they showed against Ballybay for sure, Ballybay a good side who probably didn't do themselves justice with the short turn around for the Kilcoo game, know a couple of their lads weren't at 100%.
Kilcoo at different animal at this level though who have been knocking about for years
Seeing how impressive Ballybay was against Crossmaglen it was a bit of surprise to see Kilcoo win so comfortably when you consider they had a number of close contests in the Down championship recently.
Current Ulster championship odds. Interesting Glen the slight favourites.
Glen 5/6
Kilcoo 11/10
Cargin 16/1
Enniskillen Gaels 22/1
Watty would be delighted
Interesting historical note
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watty_Graham
With his congregants in [Maghera, Graham formed a new volunteer corps under the United Irish county command of William McKeever, a Roman Catholic.[5] After the French example, they styled themselves the National Guard.[6][7] When the call came,
Maghera was to rise simultaneously with Toome and Randalstown, disarm the local forces of the Protestant (Church of Ireland) Ascendancy—the yeomanry and Orangemen—and march, as needed, to join rebels from Antrim.
Glen were on the same side as Cargin in 1798
Glen v kilcoo final?
Where will this take place, corrigan perhaps as its in between?
Quote from: Upandover on November 16, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
Glen v kilcoo final?
Where will this take place, corrigan perhaps as its in between?
It would be Armagh athletic grounds I reckon
Quote from: Upandover on November 16, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
Glen v kilcoo final?
Where will this take place, corrigan perhaps as its in between?
Too small, if the crowd at last year's match is anything to go by a big venue is necessary. Armagh makes sense.
Some craic, talking about where the glrn kilcoo will br ?
Jesus christ
Conor Glass has already poked the bear around toome
Will be Armagh for sure
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2022, 02:16:59 PM
Some craic, talking about where the glrn kilcoo will br ?
Jesus christ
Conor Glass has already poked the bear around toome
Whatever small chance there is of Glen being caught on the hop Kilcoo definitely wont be
Quote from: Upandover on November 16, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
Glen v kilcoo final?
Where will this take place, corrigan perhaps as its in between?
Athletic Grounds under lights is hard to beat for atmosphere and it will be a guaranteed big crowd.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2022, 02:16:59 PM
Some craic, talking about where the glrn kilcoo will br ?
Jesus christ
Conor Glass has already poked the bear around toome
Huggy bear more like ;)
Quote from: yellowcard on November 16, 2022, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: Upandover on November 16, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
Glen v kilcoo final?
Where will this take place, corrigan perhaps as its in between?
Athletic Grounds under lights is hard to beat for atmosphere and it will be a guaranteed big crowd.
will it be satuday night game or like a beetween 4pm-5pm sunday
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Quote from: Upandover on November 16, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
Glen v kilcoo final?
Where will this take place, corrigan perhaps as its in between?
Athletic Grounds under lights is hard to beat for atmosphere and it will be a guaranteed big crowd.
will it be satuday night game or like a beetween 4pm-5pm sunday
Either 1.30 or 4.pm as part of a double header on TG4
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Quote from: Upandover on November 16, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
Glen v kilcoo final?
Where will this take place, corrigan perhaps as its in between?
Athletic Grounds under lights is hard to beat for atmosphere and it will be a guaranteed big crowd.
will it be satuday night game or like a beetween 4pm-5pm sunday
Either 1.30 or 4.pm as part of a double header on TG4
It will boil down to who has first pick of the TV matches. If RTE have first pick then it will be the Saturday night 7.30pm match since it is the most eagerly awaited of the provincial finals. Either of those 2 sides could win the AI title which probably can't be said for the rest of the provinces.
Jaysus lads would yis not be better calmin final talk till the semis have been played. Yer givin 2 of the biggest g(r)ipes on here plenty ammo 😉😃
Therell be 5 pages of the gaaboard printed off for the cargin changin rooms. I want no part of it 😃
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Some craic, talking about where the glrn kilcoo will br ?
Jesus christ
Conor Glass has already poked the bear around toome
Whatever small chance there is of Glen being caught on the hop Kilcoo definitely wont be
Glen will win pulling up. 10+ points, I fear it could be an awful drubbing for Cargin.
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Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2022, 02:16:59 PM
Some craic, talking about where the glrn kilcoo will br ?
Jesus christ
Conor Glass has already poked the bear around toome
Whatever small chance there is of Glen being caught on the hop Kilcoo definitely wont be
Glen will win pulling up. 10+ points, I fear it could be an awful drubbing for Cargin.
This could well come to fruition Toby, genuine question out of interest, what is the logic behind your fears?
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Some craic, talking about where the glrn kilcoo will br ?
Jesus christ
Conor Glass has already poked the bear around toome
Whatever small chance there is of Glen being caught on the hop Kilcoo definitely wont be
Glen will win pulling up. 10+ points, I fear it could be an awful drubbing for Cargin.
This could well come to fruition Toby, genuine question out of interest, what is the logic behind your fears?
Any recent challenge games with Glen EOC?
I actually don't think Kilcoo or Glen will hand out the hammerings people are expecting - I do expect both to win of course.
Kilcoo beat Warrenpoint by a point and Clonduff on penalties - would you expect either of those two sides to hammer Enniskillen?
Even if Cargin and Enniskillen win I reckon they would put it in Armagh instead of Omagh-
Kilcoo only get into their stride in Ulster they always seem to lift it few teams have taken them to ET over last few years Carryduff defo did 2 years ago maybe.
Can't see Cargin getting close to Glen but I do not think it will be a drubbing either I will go Glen by 4/5 points
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 16, 2022, 05:21:57 PM
Even if Cargin and Enniskillen win I reckon they would put it in Armagh instead of Omagh-
Kilcoo only get into their stride in Ulster they always seem to lift it few teams have taken them to ET over last few years Carryduff defo did 2 years ago maybe.
Can't see Cargin getting close to Glen but I do not think it will be a drubbing either I will go Glen by 4/5 points
Healy Park pitch in real bad condition at the minute
Quote from: tintin25 on November 16, 2022, 04:35:17 PM
Kilcoo beat Warrenpoint by a point and Clonduff on penalties - would you expect either of those two sides to hammer Enniskillen?
They needed extra time against Carryduff last season and beat Ballyholland by two points and then destroyed Derrygonnelly in the Ulster final.
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 16, 2022, 06:18:22 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 16, 2022, 04:35:17 PM
Kilcoo beat Warrenpoint by a point and Clonduff on penalties - would you expect either of those two sides to hammer Enniskillen?
They needed extra time against Carryduff last season and beat Ballyholland by two points and then destroyed Derrygonnelly in the Ulster final.
True - but then again they just about beat Derrygonnelly a year or two previous
I'm just hoping for a couple of competitive games...until the last 15 anyway!
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Quote from: tintin25 on November 16, 2022, 04:35:17 PM
Kilcoo beat Warrenpoint by a point and Clonduff on penalties - would you expect either of those two sides to hammer Enniskillen?
They needed extra time against Carryduff last season and beat Ballyholland by two points and then destroyed Derrygonnelly in the Ulster final.
True - but then again they just about beat Derrygonnelly a year or two previous
I'm just hoping for a couple of competitive games...until the last 15 anyway!
Yeah who knows.
Hope so, Cargjn and Gaels will be pumped anyway.
Quote from: tintin25 on November 16, 2022, 04:35:17 PM
I actually don't think Kilcoo or Glen will hand out the hammerings people are expecting - I do expect both to win of course.
Kilcoo beat Warrenpoint by a point and Clonduff on penalties - would you expect either of those two sides to hammer Enniskillen?
I'm not so sure. They gave Derrygonnelly and Ramor big beatings last year and from their performance against Ballybay they seem to be operating on a similar level.
Hopefully Enniskillen Gaels surprise me or perhaps the playing conditions mightn't be condusive for big scoring but i would be expecting a big Kilcoo win.
Same applies to Glen.
Cargin have nothing to lose and the manner in which they won Antrim and then beat Naomh Conaill will stand to them. Plenty of experience in there as well. Should be a pretty tasty affair. I don't know a whole pile about Enniskillen but I'd be hugely shocked if Kilcoo didn't win with relative ease.
On a non ulster club related note - see Michael Murphy retired for Donegal
No games should be in Omagh, the pitch is dire at this time of year, and always been like that for yrs. Murphy best player ever to come out of Donegal and will be one of Ulster's greatest players ever. Still think he should put in for the, Donegal job.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 16, 2022, 07:36:45 PM
No games should be in Omagh, the pitch is dire at this time of year, and always been like that for yrs. Murphy best player ever to come out of Donegal and will be one of Ulster's greatest players ever. Still think he should put in for the, Donegal job.
It actually is in grt shape at the minute. Think there was some sort of draining work done last year which has greatly helped. Plus there is no training on it at the minute either. It's no were near what it used to be this time of year
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 16, 2022, 07:36:45 PM
No games should be in Omagh, the pitch is dire at this time of year, and always been like that for yrs. Murphy best player ever to come out of Donegal and will be one of Ulster's greatest players ever. Still think he should put in for the, Donegal job.
It actually is in grt shape at the minute. Think there was some sort of draining work done last year which has greatly helped. Plus there is no training on it at the minute either. It's no were near what it used to be this time of year
It's absolutely awful. We were on it Saturday night. Great ground and staff though
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Some craic, talking about where the glrn kilcoo will br ?
Jesus christ
Conor Glass has already poked the bear around toome
Whatever small chance there is of Glen being caught on the hop Kilcoo definitely wont be
Glen will win pulling up. 10+ points, I fear it could be an awful drubbing for Cargin.
This could well come to fruition Toby, genuine question out of interest, what is the logic behind your fears?
I don't think Cargin will deal with Glen's pace and running power. Cargin don't have the age profile to deal with what Glen have. I'll be heading to watch it and hopefully it is a close, entertaining game, but I just can't see it.
Slaughtneil with a big appointment apparently..
Never short of money, is the old managers game.
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
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Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
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Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
The good teams do, they peak for club final and Ulster club
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
The good teams do, they peak for club final and Ulster club
In Down Burren beat Kilcoo handy in league final. Though the championship was there's to win. Kilcoo only peak for the latter stages of Down.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 18, 2022, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Is Harte the manager or just in with someone
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
The good teams do, they peak for club final and Ulster club
In Down Burren beat Kilcoo handy in league final. Though the championship was there's to win. Kilcoo only peak for the latter stages of Down.
When our club was doing well, they didn't start training properly till around June, timing is everything
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
The good teams do, they peak for club final and Ulster club
In Down Burren beat Kilcoo handy in league final. Though the championship was there's to win. Kilcoo only peak for the latter stages of Down.
Will Slaughtneil pay someone to manage them from January to July I wonder?
Kilcoo got the rub of the green big time in Down beating Clonduff in a penalty shootout and the Point in extra time but agreed the successful teams peak for championship time look at Cross for years and years.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
The good teams do, they peak for club final and Ulster club
In Down Burren beat Kilcoo handy in league final. Though the championship was there's to win. Kilcoo only peak for the latter stages of Down.
Will Slaughtneil pay someone to manage them from January to July I wonder?
Kilcoo got the rub of the green big time in Down beating Clonduff in a penalty shootout and the Point in extra time but agreed the successful teams peak for championship time look at Cross for years and years.
Hope to be hurling to march
Going on a World tour or what????
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
The good teams do, they peak for club final and Ulster club
In Down Burren beat Kilcoo handy in league final. Though the championship was there's to win. Kilcoo only peak for the latter stages of Down.
Will Slaughtneil pay someone to manage them from January to July I wonder?
Kilcoo got the rub of the green big time in Down beating Clonduff in a penalty shootout and the Point in extra time but agreed the successful teams peak for championship time look at Cross for years and years.
Didn't Banty do the Corduff and Monaghan job.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
The good teams do, they peak for club final and Ulster club
In Down Burren beat Kilcoo handy in league final. Though the championship was there's to win. Kilcoo only peak for the latter stages of Down.
Will Slaughtneil pay someone to manage them from January to July I wonder?
Kilcoo got the rub of the green big time in Down beating Clonduff in a penalty shootout and the Point in extra time but agreed the successful teams peak for championship time look at Cross for years and years.
Hope to be hurling to march
All Ireland Club Hurling final is in January this season is it not?
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 18, 2022, 02:12:50 AM
Does Mickey Harte join up with Slaughtneil once Louth's season is over as he hasn't stepped down.
Split season, so shouldn't be an issue
Do you think club players sit on their arse until July lol
The good teams do, they peak for club final and Ulster club
In Down Burren beat Kilcoo handy in league final. Though the championship was there's to win. Kilcoo only peak for the latter stages of Down.
Will Slaughtneil pay someone to manage them from January to July I wonder?
Kilcoo got the rub of the green big time in Down beating Clonduff in a penalty shootout and the Point in extra time but agreed the successful teams peak for championship time look at Cross for years and years.
Hope to be hurling to march
All Ireland Club Hurling final is in January this season is it not?
Maybe Feb, Hasn't been March for a while now, the b'stards
Premeditated attempt by Errigal management at half time to get a rise out of the Glen management and a false cause for their players. Failed then and a pathetic attempt by you now to besmirch a man's good name.
Take that down and stop embarrassing yourself and your club.
Quote from: Silver hill on November 18, 2022, 09:26:03 PM
Premeditated attempt by Errigal management at half time to get a rise out of the Glen management and a false cause for their players. Failed then and a pathetic attempt by you now to besmirch a man's good name.
Take that down and stop embarrassing yourself and your club.
Premeditated that's a good one. Man's got history did he not delve into an ex player he coached for years past, when they went against each other at inter county level. Taking sledging to an all time low!
What I would be saying is for a very good trainer he doesn't carry himself with glory all the time.
Allegations of spitting at opposition camp not easily settled.
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Quote from: Silver hill on November 18, 2022, 09:26:03 PM
Premeditated attempt by Errigal management at half time to get a rise out of the Glen management and a false cause for their players. Failed then and a pathetic attempt by you now to besmirch a man's good name.
Take that down and stop embarrassing yourself and your club.
Premeditated that's a good one. Man's got history did he not delve into an ex player he coached for years past, when they went against each other at inter county level. Taking sledging to an all time low!
What I would be saying is for a very good trainer he doesn't carry himself with glory all the time.
He's obviously living rent free in your head!
So, on reflection, you remove your original post only to retort with more lies and innuendo. Ok then, let's hear it, who is this ex county player that you speak of?
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Quote from: Silver hill on November 18, 2022, 09:26:03 PM
Premeditated attempt by Errigal management at half time to get a rise out of the Glen management and a false cause for their players. Failed then and a pathetic attempt by you now to besmirch a man's good name.
Take that down and stop embarrassing yourself and your club.
Premeditated that's a good one. Man's got history did he not delve into an ex player he coached for years past, when they went against each other at inter county level. Taking sledging to an all time low!
What I would be saying is for a very good trainer he doesn't carry himself with glory all the time.
He's obviously living rent free in your head!
So, on reflection, you remove your original post only to retort with more lies and innuendo. Ok then, let's hear it, who is this ex county player that you speak of?
I removed nothing. Its well known fact in Tyrone he said stuff to cathal mc carron about his past as a method of sledging. As I said very good trainer but he let's himself down a bagful.
Your original post has just magically disappeared then? ::)
Quote from: Silver hill on November 19, 2022, 12:12:43 PM
Your original post has just magically disappeared then? ::)
I shall repost just for you silverhill the trainer of your club spat in first half. ;)
And I have nothing against glen quality outfit and I suspect they could dominate ulster like the cross era. Just don't agree with the above antics.
Balls!
He didn't. Not letting a scurrilous accusation like that just hang out there unchallenged. Easy to clear up.
Name your player and we can get him to verify.
Put up or shut up please.
So your saying he didn't and I'm saying he did.
The Premeditated attack you aforementioned after half time was actually managements going at it after finding out what had happened. So if you were there you would know. Whether he did or didn't doesn't really matter now. But I can assure you there's no smoke without fire. Anyway good luck rest of year.
Easy to clear up. Name the Errigal player?
Lads, could ye take this to pm? Or go for a pint and argue who dod what?
Where is Porter originally from?
2 posters looking at a ban under the feuding rule.
The matter is now closed. Post on the subject again at your peril.
Georgian day in Armagh today, traffic will be bedlam for match at 6pm today.
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Georgian day in Armagh today, traffic will be bedlam for match at 6pm today.
Eh??
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Georgian day in Armagh today, traffic will be bedlam for match at 6pm today.
Eh??
https://visitarmagh.com/festivals/georgianfestival/
A traffic shit show every year
Is the match being shown on tv?
Ulster GAA TV PPV
Nope
Is it on the wireless
Quote from: snoopdog on November 26, 2022, 06:07:52 PM
Is it on the wireless
Don't think so. Live score update . Kilcoo well in control 1-02 to no score
https://twitter.com/enniskillengaa
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/kilcoo-v-enniskillen-gaels-live-25613803?int_source=mantis_rec&int_medium=web&int_campaign=more_like_this
1.07 to 0.01. Kilcoo hitting a lot of wides, and playing with a big wind at their backs.
Eniskillen tried hard in the first few minutes but as soon as kilcoo smelt blood that was it. Up 13 points at half time but against a fierce wind in the 2nd half can't see anyway back for Eniskillen.
Enniskillen the latest in a long line of clubs to fall into the trap of carrying the ball aimlessly and complacently up the field against Kilcoo.
I know the wind is a factor. But the difference in intent between the sides is remarkable
Half time 2-08 to 0-01.
The handicap was +8. Will be Interesting, if with the strong wind in 2nd half, if Enniskillen can beat the handicap.
I'd be curious who won the toss here. I'd always play with the wind if I won the coin flick.
The point be Celium Docherty jinking around two or three players was a thing of beauty. You can really express yourself when up so much.
Shealin John's and Ryan playing well along with Conor Laverty in the forward line.
Love the way their all defenders when they don't have the ball.
Shows how strong Down club football is when they had tougher games in their own County.
Bit of a comeback here. 2 10 to 1 06.
All over 3 14 to 1 09. Kilcoo beat the handicap. In truth operating at a different level to Enniskillen.
Kilcoo were on a complete different level to Enniskillen, match was over after 20 mins.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 26, 2022, 08:02:49 PM
Kilcoo were on a complete different level to Enniskillen, match was over after 20 mins.
Was as good as over after 10 minutes when Kilcoo led 1-2 to no score.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2022, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 26, 2022, 08:02:49 PM
Kilcoo were on a complete different level to Enniskillen, match was over after 20 mins.
Was as good as over after 10 minutes when Kilcoo led 1-2 to no score.
As soon as Kilcoo get a few scores up they just manage it so well, thought they were good tonight even with a few bad wides in first half they still were so comfortable
Kilcoo are something else. Mouthwatering final vs Glen no disrespect to Cargin
Good win for kilcoo but you cant take anything from it as Enniskillen were not at the level expected in the Ulster club. Glen have made no secret that they want a craic at kilcoo so this will be the game to judge were kilcoo are this year.
No point of the game tomorrow at all
This is as bad as I've seen Glen
Both sets of forwards pretty wasteful. Glass the difference between the sides.
Cargin have the breeze this half I fancy an upset.
Quote from: smort on November 27, 2022, 01:55:51 PM
This is as bad as I've seen Glen
Clearly glen tactic is to press at the half way line, cargin very little interest In going past the half way line, leaves us with this horrible type of game, brutal. Glen push up 10 yards higher 2nd half it's a dif game
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on November 27, 2022, 02:04:48 PM
Cargin have the breeze this half I fancy an upset.
7/1 on PP right now.
Cargin playing the game on their terms, despite a lot of fumbling and dicking about. If the suns still out they'll maybe test the goalie/fb line.
Kilcoo wont be too concerned with whoever comes out of this tie.
True enough, Glen looked happy for cargin to pass it around the back
Gale behind their back in 2nd half, cargin have a decent chance here
Quote from: themac_23 on November 27, 2022, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: smort on November 27, 2022, 01:55:51 PM
This is as bad as I've seen Glen
Clearly glen tactic is to press at the half way line, cargin very little interest In going past the half way line, leaves us with this horrible type of game, brutal. Glen push up 10 yards higher 2nd half it's a dif game
Yep, I think you will see a very different 2nd half. I think Glen will definitely beat the handicap +4 which is 21/20 .
They would definitely need to up their game if they make it to the final
Glen need a rocket up their ass, very slack, too many lads going for goal instead of points to build up a lead. Cargin to score from play yet?
It's that bad am flicking bck and
Forth with the soccer. Alway been Glen problem, you don't know what you get from one day to the next. Not sure why they persist with Tallon at Full forward when O'Hara a better option there. The Dohertys up front don't give the scoring return for their ability.
Kilcoo laughing
Clonmel, who looked very impressive against nemo, have been taken to extra time
Glen been shocking, Glass aside. How that a free against Glass, with shoulder to the head.
Cargin seem to be a poor enough team up front, do serious amount of fouling. what's that say about Glen today. Too cocky the problem. Just leaving enough in it for the goal at the end.
Getting more like soccer, players rolling the ground after barely being touched.
Penalty to beat the handicap...
Quote from: Upandover on November 27, 2022, 02:51:15 PM
Getting more like soccer, players rolling the ground after barely being touched.
The ref rewards though. Shocking from him, can't half tell he's from Tyrone
There a no of fouls the ref didn't give, especially around the head.
Can we put that down to complacency or are Glen not the same force as they were last year?
Glen look to have gone back slightly this year but Malachy O'Rourke will be happy with that result today. Cargin gave them a really tough test and they stood up to it well and came through. Meanwhile Kilcoo breezed through their match and will now be warm favourites to win it. It's the final everybody wanted to see though and while it won't be a classic it will be intriguing to watch.
Quote from: Upandover on November 27, 2022, 02:51:15 PM
Getting more like soccer, players rolling the ground after barely being touched.
Certainly is their very windy in Glen putrid to watch the rolling about.
Cargin keeper had a great first half stopped a goal and scored a free. However is down fall was kicking the ball into an area with no black shirts a few times.
If Dylan Wards hamstring holds up he will cancel out Conor falls easy Glass.
Kilcoo have much better ball handlers and don't miss much they are also very disaplined in the tackle.
My guess would be Kilcoo.
Need alter the team more, Need E Bradley scoring power closed to goal, with J Doherty running from Midfield. Also need S 'O' Hara to play full forward. Mcfaul be a Lost more up front than in Defence, Scoring power very blunted, E Doherty does not give a good scoring return for the player he is, forwards need to score.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on November 27, 2022, 03:02:00 PM
Cargin keeper had a great first half stopped a goal and scored a free. However is down fall was kicking the ball into an area with no black shirts a few times.
If Dylan Wards hamstring holds up he will cancel out Conor falls easy Glass.
Kilcoo have much better ball handlers and don't miss much they are also very disaplined in the tackle.
My guess would be Kilcoo.
Kilcoo are bog average at midfield and if Glen are to win they will need to win that battle.
With the 3 johnstons and laverty youd still think kilcoo will have too much up front.
Youd expect more from the 3 dohertys the next day. Set up nicely
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 27, 2022, 02:48:41 PM
Cargin seem to be a poor enough team up front, do serious amount of fouling. what's that say about Glen today. Too cocky the problem. Just leaving enough in it for the goal at the end.
Yep, Laverty(6) and the full back made quite a few unnecessary tackles that gifted Glen Easy free kick chances.
I don't think Glen are as bad as they looked today. Missed a number of clear cut goal chances and easy points. Cargin played to the best of their ability but are limited at this level. Shivers played well but had very poor supply.
I had Glen as the best team in the championship last year, but they have definitely gone back since then, particularly with the loss of McFaul who would have brought some leadership to that group, which they seemed to lack today(apart from Glass who was superb)
Kilcoo on the other hand seemed to have if anything improved, and have a number of younger players who have matured since last year (McEvoy, Rooney , Morgan).
Fair play to cargin they are no slotches... but it is ulster final that many predicted. looking forward to a very tactical game by to teams with good systems. Its 50.50 and I cant call it but it should draw a big crowd.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2022, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on November 27, 2022, 03:02:00 PM
Cargin keeper had a great first half stopped a goal and scored a free. However is down fall was kicking the ball into an area with no black shirts a few times.
If Dylan Wards hamstring holds up he will cancel out Conor falls easy Glass.
Kilcoo have much better ball handlers and don't miss much they are also very disaplined in the tackle.
My guess would be Kilcoo.
Glens midfield is exceptional for a club team. Kilcoo kept Glass quiet enough last year Ward was stuck to him the whole day. Should be a close final but unless Glen send Michael Scofield to get McFaul home Kilcoo should win it imo
Kilcoo are bog average at midfield and if Glen are to win they will need to win that battle.
is the final in two weeks?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 27, 2022, 04:08:53 PM
is the final in two weeks?
Yes December 11th in Whatty Graham Park.
50:50, what 2 games did you watch this wkend, Kilcoo clear favourites. Glen blow very hot or very cold, you don't know who turn up.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 27, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
50:50, what 2 games did you watch this wkend, Kilcoo clear favourites. Glen blow very hot or very cold, you don't know who turn up.
Glen very average today, got job done though. Kilcoo have nothing to prove, they've been there done that so pressure on Glen, who would need to approach this game with a massive improvement on todays performance,,
Cargin unlucky and showed that Glen are not a powerhouse so many people thought
When you say they were unlucky MR2 - at what point did you feel they were going to win the game?
Glen had a shocking conversion rate today & only for that would have pulled clear much earlier - I think they'll be absolutely delighted to go into an Ulster final with people saying their "lucky" to be there 😂
I think Glen were lucky in the sense that they played quite poor but won by 5 points.
That said in last few mins the running power of some of their players was evident and they were deserving winner, I think cargin should have been more direct in second half.
Was impressed with Kilcoo last night, so professional. Be odds on to win in 2 weeks time no doubt
It took over 40mins for Cargin to score from play? I thought they were very poor also. Glen were very bad.
Kilcoo have plenty to proof, they want another all Ireland to be put there with Burren from the late '80's.They been in the Ulster championship 10 out of 11yrs, They want more than just 2 Ulster titles to show in that time frame.
Quote from: Will it ever end on November 27, 2022, 06:18:17 PM
When you say they were unlucky MR2 - at what point did you feel they were going to win the game?
Glen had a shocking conversion rate today & only for that would have pulled clear much earlier - I think they'll be absolutely delighted to go into an Ulster final with people saying their "lucky" to be there 😂
There are points in games when a lucky bounce of the ball or slip can open up an opportunity. Cargin kept in the game to give themselves that chance, unluckily for them it didn't come up, the game against the Donegal champions showed that it can happen.
Did you see anything to tell you they'll improve on last years performance?
Quote from: Will it ever end on November 27, 2022, 06:18:17 PM
When you say they were unlucky MR2 - at what point did you feel they were going to win the game?
Glen had a shocking conversion rate today & only for that would have pulled clear much earlier - I think they'll be absolutely delighted to go into an Ulster final with people saying their "lucky" to be there 😂
Totally agree. Cargin managed about 2 shots from play in the 1st half ...Glen missed a 1 on 1 and about 6 easy shots wide. Could have been 10 in it at half time.
Cargin will or should be pissed off that they didn't have a go. Cargin too keen to go backwards and only put on Close with 2 to go.
Needed drive which they only got in spurts from the brilliant O Boyle and Sean o neill
Shivers is a great kicker of the ball and a tall man but needs to hit the gym hard to strengthen the legs and get fit so he can drive past smaller boys as he simply couldn't today and looked knackered from minute 1. Only get 1 go of a career so he should take his chance to be better.
:-\
Quote from: Gold on November 27, 2022, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on November 27, 2022, 06:18:17 PM
When you say they were unlucky MR2 - at what point did you feel they were going to win the game?
Glen had a shocking conversion rate today & only for that would have pulled clear much earlier - I think they'll be absolutely delighted to go into an Ulster final with people saying their "lucky" to be there 😂
Totally agree. Cargin managed about 2 shots from play in the 1st half ...Glen missed a 1 on 1 and about 6 easy shots wide. Could have been 10 in it at half time.
Cargin will or should be pissed off that they didn't have a go. Cargin too keen to go backwards and only put on Close with 2 to go.
Needed drive which they only got in spurts from the brilliant O Boyle and Sean o neill
Shivers is a great kicker of the ball and a tall man but needs to hit the gym hard to strengthen the legs and get fit so he can drive past smaller boys as he simply couldn't today and looked knackered from minute 1. Only get 1 go of a career so he should take his chance to be better.
Hard to always know from TV coverage but thought the balls into Pat Shivers were poor enough and didnt play to his strengths.
1st half stats as per Cahair OKane
Cargin 63% possession, 6 chances created, 4 taken (67%)
Glen 37% possession, 13 chances created, 5 taken (38%)
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 27, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
I think Glen were lucky in the sense that they played quite poor but won by 5 points.
That said in last few mins the running power of some of their players was evident and they were deserving winner, I think cargin should have been more direct in second half.
Was impressed with Kilcoo last night, so professional. Be odds on to win in 2 weeks time no doubt
Both teams are odds on (5/6 ) with paddy power so it really is 50/50 with the bookmakers
There were always only going to be 2 moments in this championship
Wattys vs Ballybay
Wattys v Kilcoo
Strange game. Glen never looked liked losing; Cargin never fully believed they could win.
Given how well both clubs know each other, was more like a Derry championship match. GAA geography is always interesting.
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
There were always only going to be 2 moments in this championship
Wattys vs Ballybay
Wattys v Kilcoo
You're obsessed with wattys. You mean kilcoo ballybay.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 27, 2022, 07:29:31 PM
1st half stats as per Cahair OKane
Cargin 63% possession, 6 chances created, 4 taken (67%)
Glen 37% possession, 13 chances created, 5 taken (38%)
Aye Cargin's 6 chances were 4 frees, 1 wide from Shivers after a good dummy and 1 kicked short from midfielder
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
There were always only going to be 2 moments in this championship
Wattys vs Ballybay
Wattys v Kilcoo
Did Kilcoo not play Ballybay?
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
There were always only going to be 2 moments in this championship
Wattys vs Ballybay
Wattys v Kilcoo
You must have made great money betting against Cross if the Ballybay QF was always going to happen.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 27, 2022, 08:21:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
There were always only going to be 2 moments in this championship
Wattys vs Ballybay
Wattys v Kilcoo
Did Kilcoo not play Ballybay?
They did.
I'd fancied Glen to take Kilcoo this year but not so sure now. They'd have to offer something different than they did against EC and Cargin.
At the same time, they had both sides beaten with 10 mins left. Really looking forward to it.
Quote from: ONeill on November 27, 2022, 11:10:27 PM
I'd fancied Glen to take Kilcoo this year but not so sure now. They'd have to offer something different than they did against EC and Cargin.
At the same time, they had both sides beaten with 10 mins left. Really looking forward to it.
Was thinking that myself yesterday but then again Glen got 2 tough games whereas Kilcoo cruised through, so who got more benefit?
Quote from: bennydorano on November 28, 2022, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 27, 2022, 11:10:27 PM
I'd fancied Glen to take Kilcoo this year but not so sure now. They'd have to offer something different than they did against EC and Cargin.
At the same time, they had both sides beaten with 10 mins left. Really looking forward to it.
Was thinking that myself yesterday but then again Glen got 2 tough games whereas Kilcoo cruised through, so who got more benefit?
I'd say Kilcoo had their fill of close games in Down, rode their luck and have upped it a level now
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
wum
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Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
wum
Who am I winding up?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 28, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
wum
What it shows is that Kilcoo only have to do the bare minimum to win Down and they have been peaking for the Ulster run....we used to do it every year as Armagh was so poor. Still think Glen will give it a real rattle in the final but won't be a classic game
St Galls used to do that and you can see Slaughtneil doing it in the hurling too. They just time to peak later. It can be risky enough but you get teams that are good enough to do it.
It doesn't mean anything on the standard of the rest of the teams in the county.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
lol clown
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 28, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
wum
What it shows is that Kilcoo only have to do the bare minimum to win Down and they have been peaking for the Ulster run....we used to do it every year as Armagh was so poor. Still think Glen will give it a real rattle in the final but won't be a classic game
Dromintee might think different
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 10:36:51 AM
St Galls used to do that and you can see Slaughtneil doing it in the hurling too. They just time to peak later. It can be risky enough but you get teams that are good enough to do it.
It doesn't mean anything on the standard of the rest of the teams in the county.
I never once mention county, I think the standard of club football in Down is very competitive. Kilcoo toughest games are in Down. The top 6 clubs teams are strong and very tactical.
I never once mentioned county either...
Kilcoo peak later - the results in the down championship don't necessarily mean anything about the rest of the teams in down. No way would the top 4 or 5 teams be in the top 10 in ulster. Absolutely no way.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 28, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
wum
What it shows is that Kilcoo only have to do the bare minimum to win Down and they have been peaking for the Ulster run....we used to do it every year as Armagh was so poor. Still think Glen will give it a real rattle in the final but won't be a classic game
Dromintee might think different
In the early years, our first run of AIs I would agree. 2006 onwards there was very little competition, particularly from 2009 to 2015
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
I never once mentioned county either...
Kilcoo peak later - the results in the down championship don't necessarily mean anything about the rest of the teams in down. No way would the top 4 or 5 teams be in the top 10 in ulster. Absolutely no way.
The standard in the Ulster club this year has been dire apart from Glen, Kilcoo and Errigal. Kilcoo hammered Ballybay who made wee boys of the famous Crossmaglen. Burren, Warrenpoint, Clonduff, Carryduff and Mayobridge would beat Ballybay, Enniskillen, Cargin and Crossmaglen IMO
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2022, 11:10:25 AM
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 28, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
wum
What it shows is that Kilcoo only have to do the bare minimum to win Down and they have been peaking for the Ulster run....we used to do it every year as Armagh was so poor. Still think Glen will give it a real rattle in the final but won't be a classic game
Dromintee might think different
In the early years, our first run of AIs I would agree. 2006 onwards there was very little competition, particularly from 2009 to 2015
I think youse took a year out that year
Before Kilcoo came along, what did Down teams do in Ulster past 20+ yrs before them ?
Quote from: general_lee on November 28, 2022, 11:15:41 AM
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 28, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
wum
What it shows is that Kilcoo only have to do the bare minimum to win Down and they have been peaking for the Ulster run....we used to do it every year as Armagh was so poor. Still think Glen will give it a real rattle in the final but won't be a classic game
Dromintee might think different
In the early years, our first run of AIs I would agree. 2006 onwards there was very little competition, particularly from 2009 to 2015
I think youse took a year out that year
Meant 2010....yeah we were having a holiday that year!
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
I never once mentioned county either...
Kilcoo peak later - the results in the down championship don't necessarily mean anything about the rest of the teams in down. No way would the top 4 or 5 teams be in the top 10 in ulster. Absolutely no way.
The standard in the Ulster club this year has been dire apart from Glen, Kilcoo and Errigal. Kilcoo hammered Ballybay who made wee boys of the famous Crossmaglen. Burren, Warrenpoint, Clonduff, Carryduff and Mayobridge would beat Ballybay, Enniskillen, Cargin and Crossmaglen IMO
;D
We'll never know.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
I never once mentioned county either...
Kilcoo peak later - the results in the down championship don't necessarily mean anything about the rest of the teams in down. No way would the top 4 or 5 teams be in the top 10 in ulster. Absolutely no way.
The standard in the Ulster club this year has been dire apart from Glen, Kilcoo and Errigal. Kilcoo hammered Ballybay who made wee boys of the famous Crossmaglen. Burren, Warrenpoint, Clonduff, Carryduff and Mayobridge would beat Ballybay, Enniskillen, Cargin and Crossmaglen IMO
10 and 20 years ago a lot of Armagh teams thought the same.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
I never once mentioned county either...
Kilcoo peak later - the results in the down championship don't necessarily mean anything about the rest of the teams in down. No way would the top 4 or 5 teams be in the top 10 in ulster. Absolutely no way.
The standard in the Ulster club this year has been dire apart from Glen, Kilcoo and Errigal. Kilcoo hammered Ballybay who made wee boys of the famous Crossmaglen. Burren, Warrenpoint, Clonduff, Carryduff and Mayobridge would beat Ballybay, Enniskillen, Cargin and Crossmaglen IMO
So what you're trying to say is that the whole of Ulster is crap with the exception of Glen, Errigal and a handful of Down clubs?
Quote from: general_lee on November 28, 2022, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
I never once mentioned county either...
Kilcoo peak later - the results in the down championship don't necessarily mean anything about the rest of the teams in down. No way would the top 4 or 5 teams be in the top 10 in ulster. Absolutely no way.
The standard in the Ulster club this year has been dire apart from Glen, Kilcoo and Errigal. Kilcoo hammered Ballybay who made wee boys of the famous Crossmaglen. Burren, Warrenpoint, Clonduff, Carryduff and Mayobridge would beat Ballybay, Enniskillen, Cargin and Crossmaglen IMO
So what you're trying to say is that the whole of Ulster is crap with the exception of Glen, Errigal and a handful of Down clubs?
No I just think the standard is poor, hopefully final is an improvement but Kilcoo are too strong and Glen forwards are not good enough.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
Laughable when you sit down and think about it.
Down county team in Division 3.
Same as Fermanagh, Antrim and Cavan.
Kilcoo can cruise through Down .
No need to worry
Kilcoo have been winning down at their ease for a decade.
Took them 8 years to crack Ulster and get to this level.
To do that they have to peak now .
Down championships are seen as a formality.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2022, 11:18:35 AM
Meant 2010....yeah we were having a holiday that year!
I thought yis only beat Cullyhanna by a point in a replay in 2010. Must have dreamt it :)
Quote from: FermGael on November 28, 2022, 11:45:11 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
Laughable when you sit down and think about it.
Down county team in Division 3.
Same as Fermanagh, Antrim and Cavan.
Kilcoo can cruise through Down .
No need to worry
Kilcoo have been winning down at their ease for a decade.
Took them 8 years to crack Ulster and get to this level.
To do that they have to peak now .
Down championships are seen as a formality.
Kilcoo absolutely do not cruise through Down.
At the end of the day we do what we need to do to win Down.
In most games in the Down Championship teams set up quite defensively and it makes for a "negative and dour" game. It means we have to grind out results in Down, which we are well capable of doing.
When we get to Ulster, the teams try and have a go at winning instead of trying to play as defensively. This leads to a more open game, hence allowing our men to express themselves and play free flowing football we are also renowned for. We can still grind a result when needed because the fitness levels the squad has is mad.
We've been knocking about Ulster since 2009 and have the experience other Down teams don't have during that time. Teams need to win Down before stating they'd win Ulster or give it a good rattle. If a team other than us won Down they'd be out on the drink for a week. Our men were back training the Monday after winning Down. It is rare a team wins Ulster on the first go, you have to be there a few years (usually)
Quote from: FermGael on November 28, 2022, 11:45:11 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
Laughable when you sit down and think about it.
Down county team in Division 3.
Same as Fermanagh, Antrim and Cavan.
Kilcoo can cruise through Down .
No need to worry
Kilcoo have been winning down at their ease for a decade.
Took them 8 years to crack Ulster and get to this level.
To do that they have to peak now .
Down championships are seen as a formality.
If Laverty can get the buy in from the players then Down could be a division 1 side in 2 years.
Quote from: Maurice Moss on November 28, 2022, 11:58:15 AM
At the end of the day we do what we need to do to win Down.
In most games in the Down Championship teams set up quite defensively and it makes for a "negative and dour" game. It means we have to grind out results in Down, which we are well capable of doing.
When we get to Ulster, the teams try and have a go at winning instead of trying to play as defensively. This leads to a more open game, hence allowing our men to express themselves and play free flowing football we are also renowned for. We can still grind a result when needed because the fitness levels the squad has is mad.
We've been knocking about Ulster since 2009 and have the experience other Down teams don't have during that time. Teams need to win Down before stating they'd win Ulster or give it a good rattle. If a team other than us won Down they'd be out on the drink for a week. Our men were back training the Monday after winning Down. It is rare a team wins Ulster on the first go, you have to be there a few years (usually)
Yeah agree with that. Think its got to the stage in Down where beating Kilcoo is teams all ireland final they go all out for and in fairness Clonduff and the Point and others have been really close in recent years but Kilcoo have always had that bit extra and got the rub of the green when needed too.
The experience of playing in Ulster is invaluable as well, like you say if a new team won Down they'd be celebrating all week but Kilcoo have that many now they're focused on bigger things.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 12:04:54 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 28, 2022, 11:45:11 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 10:08:59 AM
Kilcoo are operating at a different level than everyone and it shows that Down club football is miles ahead of everything in Ulster. I reckon the top 4/5 teams in Down would be in the top 10 in Ulster IMO I fear for Glen in the final. Kilcoo by +5 in the final
Laughable when you sit down and think about it.
Down county team in Division 3.
Same as Fermanagh, Antrim and Cavan.
Kilcoo can cruise through Down .
No need to worry
Kilcoo have been winning down at their ease for a decade.
Took them 8 years to crack Ulster and get to this level.
To do that they have to peak now .
Down championships are seen as a formality.
If Laverty can get the buy in from the players then Down could be a division 1 side in 2 years.
Agree with that about Down but Down have operated without the Kilcoo players for a while now and that's where those players have them.
Kilcoo as well have been lucky with that .
Means their players get to rest and recover .
Would think that won't be the case next season
I don't think Down are quite as good as that tbh. If those are the expectations on Laverty then I am not sure he will be a success.
I regularly talk to a Down clubperson who laments the standard of down club football. I am not sure it is what the poster here thinks it is.
Will Laverty get Kilcoo players to commit? How many will be on the panel?
Don't think down is way ahead of any county in ulster
I think Tyrone prob has the most depth and quality to its county championship
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 12:13:41 PM
I don't think Down are quite as good as that tbh. If those are the expectations on Laverty then I am not sure he will be a success.
I regularly talk to a Down clubperson who laments the standard of down club football. I am not sure it is what the poster here thinks it is.
It's brutal to watch. The quality in Armagh mightn't be great at times but you usually get decent games.
I have heard it is terrible. I don't know the man but I think that guy Poacher has a lot to answer for by the sounds of it.
Anyword on dates/venue for final? Assuming 2 week gap and played in Armagh?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 02:10:44 PM
Anyword on dates/venue for final? Assuming 2 week gap and played in Armagh?
Sun 11th Dec, 1pm, Athletic Grounds
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 02:10:44 PM
Anyword on dates/venue for final? Assuming 2 week gap and played in Armagh?
In armagh yes, on 11th Dec at 1.00
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 02:10:44 PM
Anyword on dates/venue for final? Assuming 2 week gap and played in Armagh?
In Armagh - 11th Dec - 1pm
I think it's in Armagh on the 11th at 1pm but I am not sure about that....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2022, 03:10:17 PM
I think it's in Armagh on the 11th at 1pm but I am not sure about that....
What is?
Thanks lads. Should be a close game although probably not one for the purists. Kilcoo to have too much for Glen though imo.
Kilcoo 5/6 with PP are a great price. Fill your boots
How many players from the Kilcoo 2012 team still playing? Most?
Quote from: ONeill on November 28, 2022, 05:39:21 PM
How many players from the Kilcoo 2012 team still playing? Most?
Good few PD, laverty, Jerome, Ryan, most of the Brannigans could be few more
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
I have heard it is terrible. I don't know the man but I think that guy Poacher has a lot to answer for by the sounds of it.
Ah it's no better and no worse than other counties. Some matches can be excellent and some can be brutal. How can one man be the cause of a whole county's quality? Bit of pub talk going on I think. Kilcoo are streets ahead of everyone, as would be expected. A team who finished 3rd or 4th in Division 2 beat a team who finished 10th (of 12) in Division 1 in the Intermediate Final, so standard can't be that awful!
Down club football is, to be fair, absolutely shite to watch, to the point that we now consider any close game to be a good game for spectators, regardless of whether it was entertaining or not.
Quote from: supersub on November 28, 2022, 08:47:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
I have heard it is terrible. I don't know the man but I think that guy Poacher has a lot to answer for by the sounds of it.
Ah it's no better and no worse than other counties. Some matches can be excellent and some can be brutal. How can one man be the cause of a whole county's quality? Bit of pub talk going on I think. Kilcoo are streets ahead of everyone, as would be expected. A team who finished 3rd or 4th in Division 2 beat a team who finished 10th (of 12) in Division 1 in the Intermediate Final, so standard can't be that awful!
Down Senior and Intermediate appear to be strong but Junior seems to be very weak.
Quote from: clarshack on November 28, 2022, 10:30:46 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 28, 2022, 08:47:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
I have heard it is terrible. I don't know the man but I think that guy Poacher has a lot to answer for by the sounds of it.
Ah it's no better and no worse than other counties. Some matches can be excellent and some can be brutal. How can one man be the cause of a whole county's quality? Bit of pub talk going on I think. Kilcoo are streets ahead of everyone, as would be expected. A team who finished 3rd or 4th in Division 2 beat a team who finished 10th (of 12) in Division 1 in the Intermediate Final, so standard can't be that awful!
Down Senior and Intermediate appear to be strong but Junior seems to be very weak.
How have Down teams done in the Ulster Intermediate Championship?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 28, 2022, 10:45:24 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 28, 2022, 10:30:46 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 28, 2022, 08:47:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
I have heard it is terrible. I don't know the man but I think that guy Poacher has a lot to answer for by the sounds of it.
Ah it's no better and no worse than other counties. Some matches can be excellent and some can be brutal. How can one man be the cause of a whole county's quality? Bit of pub talk going on I think. Kilcoo are streets ahead of everyone, as would be expected. A team who finished 3rd or 4th in Division 2 beat a team who finished 10th (of 12) in Division 1 in the Intermediate Final, so standard can't be that awful!
Down Senior and Intermediate appear to be strong but Junior seems to be very weak.
How have Down teams done in the Ulster Intermediate Championship?
Warrenpoint and Loughinisland have won it in recent enough times.
Another county that lets division 1 clubs play intermediate.
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 10:39:22 AM
Another county that lets division 1 clubs play intermediate.
Yeah really don't agree with this.
Only 1 Div 1 club played in Intermediate Championship this year, Rostrevor and they didn't win it. Next year none of the clubs in Intermediate Championship will be playing Div 1 Football.
Quote from: meatsy86 on November 29, 2022, 10:55:10 AM
Only 1 Div 1 club played in Intermediate Championship this year, Rostrevor and they didn't win it. Next year none of the clubs in Intermediate Championship will be playing Div 1 Football.
Is Rostrevor not still in it ?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 10:44:14 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 10:39:22 AM
Another county that lets division 1 clubs play intermediate.
Yeah really don't agree with this.
Arva will play Division 1 and Junior Championship in Cavan next season. They were favourites for Junior this year by all accounts but obviously Drumlane beat them in the final, and Arva and Drumlane both finished on the same points at the top of Division 2. Is it also a case that there are Division 3 teams playing in the Intermediate championship in Cavan? has a Division 3 team played in the senior championship?
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 10:39:22 AM
Another county that lets division 1 clubs play intermediate.
This was a recent development (max 1 team got "relegated") to IFC to compensate a lack of promotion / relegation during covid, then a somewhat brutal restructure to 10 team divisions. Technically a D1 team could end up in the IFC until this measure is displaced, but it's on the south side of unlikely for the foreseeable.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 29, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 10:39:22 AM
Another county that lets division 1 clubs play intermediate.
This was a recent development (max 1 team got "relegated") to IFC to compensate a lack of promotion / relegation during covid, then a somewhat brutal restructure to 10 team divisions. Technically a D1 team could end up in the IFC until this measure is displaced, but it's on the south side of unlikely for the foreseeable.
Fair enough, maybe not in the same league as Cavan when it comes to taking the piss.
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 29, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 10:39:22 AM
Another county that lets division 1 clubs play intermediate.
This was a recent development (max 1 team got "relegated") to IFC to compensate a lack of promotion / relegation during covid, then a somewhat brutal restructure to 10 team divisions. Technically a D1 team could end up in the IFC until this measure is displaced, but it's on the south side of unlikely for the foreseeable.
Fair enough, maybe not in the same league as Cavan when it comes to taking the piss.
I think it has been said here before that Arva had 2 years of players travelling and injuries that brought them from Division 1 down to Division 3 and Junior Championship. They have the players back and have made there way back to Division 1 but haven't been able to get out of Junior.
It's nothing to do with taking the piss it's up to them to win Junior to get out of it as we don't promote teams up Championship grades unless they earn it and that is by winning it.
Which is taking the piss.
If you're good enough to get into Division 1 in the league you should forfeit your Junior/intermediate status. Imagine playing Cavan Gaels, Kingscourt Stars etc all year and then limbering up to play Drung in the championship. Farcical.
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 29, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 29, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 10:39:22 AM
Another county that lets division 1 clubs play intermediate.
This was a recent development (max 1 team got "relegated") to IFC to compensate a lack of promotion / relegation during covid, then a somewhat brutal restructure to 10 team divisions. Technically a D1 team could end up in the IFC until this measure is displaced, but it's on the south side of unlikely for the foreseeable.
Fair enough, maybe not in the same league as Cavan when it comes to taking the piss.
I think it has been said here before that Arva had 2 years of players travelling and injuries that brought them from Division 1 down to Division 3 and Junior Championship. They have the players back and have made there way back to Division 1 but haven't been able to get out of Junior.
It's nothing to do with taking the piss it's up to them to win Junior to get out of it as we don't promote teams up Championship grades unless they earn it and that is by winning it.
will Arva be favourites again next year? or is there a better team dropping down from the Intermediate championship?
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 12:52:32 PM
Which is taking the piss.
If you're good enough to get into Division 1 in the league you should forfeit your Junior/intermediate status. Imagine playing Cavan Gaels, Kingscourt Stars etc all year and then limbering up to play Drung in the championship. Farcical.
It is what it is though you need to win it or go to the county board and get the clubs the vote to move you up or down grades.
Quote from: clarshack on November 29, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 29, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 29, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 10:39:22 AM
Another county that lets division 1 clubs play intermediate.
This was a recent development (max 1 team got "relegated") to IFC to compensate a lack of promotion / relegation during covid, then a somewhat brutal restructure to 10 team divisions. Technically a D1 team could end up in the IFC until this measure is displaced, but it's on the south side of unlikely for the foreseeable.
Fair enough, maybe not in the same league as Cavan when it comes to taking the piss.
I think it has been said here before that Arva had 2 years of players travelling and injuries that brought them from Division 1 down to Division 3 and Junior Championship. They have the players back and have made there way back to Division 1 but haven't been able to get out of Junior.
It's nothing to do with taking the piss it's up to them to win Junior to get out of it as we don't promote teams up Championship grades unless they earn it and that is by winning it.
will Arva be favourites again next year? or is there a better team dropping down from the Intermediate championship?
They will be favourites again i think it was Killeshandra that got relegated and they are in bother.
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 29, 2022, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2022, 12:52:32 PM
Which is taking the piss.
If you're good enough to get into Division 1 in the league you should forfeit your Junior/intermediate status. Imagine playing Cavan Gaels, Kingscourt Stars etc all year and then limbering up to play Drung in the championship. Farcical.
It is what it is though you need to win it or go to the county board and get the clubs the vote to move you up or down grades.
Link league and championship, fairest way imo.
There is nothing to stop the ulster council banning teams from the junior competition unless they div 3/4 in respective counties. Junior in down is div 4. Then to play a div 1 club from cavan potentially. Ridiculous.
Quote from: charlieTully on November 29, 2022, 02:13:29 PM
There is nothing to stop the ulster council banning teams from the junior competition unless they div 3/4 in respective counties. Junior in down is div 4. Then to play a div 1 club from cavan potentially. Ridiculous.
If they can't win Junior in Cavan i don't think other clubs should be to bother.
Lavey were banned from Ulster in the junior hurling. Not quite sure what the criteria was for them to get banned though.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 29, 2022, 10:58:16 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on November 29, 2022, 10:55:10 AM
Only 1 Div 1 club played in Intermediate Championship this year, Rostrevor and they didn't win it. Next year none of the clubs in Intermediate Championship will be playing Div 1 Football.
Is Rostrevor not still in it ?
No relegated to D2
Hard believe Lavey could enter Junior hurling, are they not a senior hurling team in Derry, they be very few teams below senior level in Derry,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 29, 2022, 06:31:28 PM
Hard believe Lavey could enter Junior hurling, are they not a senior hurling team in Derry, they be very few teams below senior level in Derry,
I thought they were graded as intermediate and couldn't enter ulster junior.
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 29, 2022, 06:31:28 PM
Hard believe Lavey could enter Junior hurling, are they not a senior hurling team in Derry, they be very few teams below senior level in Derry,
Club hurling is full of former champions fallen on hard times as teams retire. Portumna are Senior B in Galway
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 29, 2022, 06:31:28 PM
Hard believe Lavey could enter Junior hurling, are they not a senior hurling team in Derry, they be very few teams below senior level in Derry,
They are intermediate atm Ulsterbut on way up again
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 30, 2022, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 29, 2022, 06:31:28 PM
Hard believe Lavey could enter Junior hurling, are they not a senior hurling team in Derry, they be very few teams below senior level in Derry,
They are intermediate atm Ulsterbut on way up again
Am I right in thinking it's just Na Magha and Eoghan Rua that can enter the Ulster Junior Hurling championship at the minute? Will this be reviewed again given that Eoghan Rua won the Intermediate and Lavey the Junior?
Armagh Junior champions go into Ulster junior. Think Craobh Rua won it last year
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 30, 2022, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 30, 2022, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 29, 2022, 06:31:28 PM
Hard believe Lavey could enter Junior hurling, are they not a senior hurling team in Derry, they be very few teams below senior level in Derry,
They are intermediate atm Ulsterbut on way up again
Am I right in thinking it's just Na Magha and Eoghan Rua that can enter the Ulster Junior Hurling championship at the minute? Will this be reviewed again given that Eoghan Rua won the Intermediate and Lavey the Junior?
Yeah atm, but Eoghan Rua beat Lavey, Swa and Screen then this year. Before this year that wasnt on the horizon
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Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
I thought out of your list Bellew and O'Reilly were the only two, apart from the manager. No Devine there at all
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Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
I thought out of your list Bellew and O'Reilly were the only two, apart from the manager. No Devine there at all
McGettigan's, Bellew and O'Reilly are from Strabane, Lafferty and McGee Connolly Ballybofey/Mccumhaills, Ward is from Cork, McMenamin Castlefinn area. Devine may be injured, he's from Strabane or Clady, very good hurler.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
I thought out of your list Bellew and O'Reilly were the only two, apart from the manager. No Devine there at all
McGettigan's, Bellew and O'Reilly are from Strabane, Lafferty and McGee Connolly Ballybofey/Mccumhaills, Ward is from Cork, McMenamin Castlefinn area. Devine may be injured, he's from Strabane or Clady, very good hurler.
Wasn't sure about Mc gee, you sure Lafferty Strabane ?
Ward played all matches. Devine done.
Bellew strabane via belfast and lives in Derry
Strabane could have kept their own team going ,took the easy option for glory. Mind us having 5 at training but kept going.
Very suspicious all these boys from everywhere appearing in wee Killygordon
Setanta and burt abd Buncrana ganged up on us and threatened Croke Park over something much more minor.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
I thought out of your list Bellew and O'Reilly were the only two, apart from the manager. No Devine there at all
McGettigan's, Bellew and O'Reilly are from Strabane, Lafferty and McGee Connolly Ballybofey/Mccumhaills, Ward is from Cork, McMenamin Castlefinn area. Devine may be injured, he's from Strabane or Clady, very good hurler.
Wasn't sure about Mc gee, you sure Lafferty Strabane ?
Ward played all matches. Devine done.
Bellew strabane via belfast and lives in Derry
Strabane could have kept their own team going ,took the easy option for glory. Mind us having 5 at training but kept going.
Very suspicious all these boys from everywhere appearing in wee Killygordon
Setanta and burt abd Buncrana ganged up on us and threatened Croke Park over something much more minor.
Lafferty and McGee Connolly certainly McCumhaills. Lafferty jumped ship when he started going out with a girl from Killygordon as far as I am aware.
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Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
I thought out of your list Bellew and O'Reilly were the only two, apart from the manager. No Devine there at all
McGettigan's, Bellew and O'Reilly are from Strabane, Lafferty and McGee Connolly Ballybofey/Mccumhaills, Ward is from Cork, McMenamin Castlefinn area. Devine may be injured, he's from Strabane or Clady, very good hurler.
Wonder if McGee Connolly and Lafferty have been there since younger days, no issue with McMenamin as Castlefin is in the area and that's just who you would have to hurl for. Devine is from Strabane, he played a few games this season but don't think he committed.
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Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
I thought out of your list Bellew and O'Reilly were the only two, apart from the manager. No Devine there at all
McGettigan's, Bellew and O'Reilly are from Strabane, Lafferty and McGee Connolly Ballybofey/Mccumhaills, Ward is from Cork, McMenamin Castlefinn area. Devine may be injured, he's from Strabane or Clady, very good hurler.
Wonder if McGee Connolly and Lafferty have been there since younger days, no issue with McMenamin as Castlefin is in the area and that's just who you would have to hurl for. Devine is from Strabane, he played a few games this season but don't think he committed.
Lafferty played a Senior Final or two in the last decade with McCumhaills and through underage. Unsure regarding McGee Connolly. Surprising Ward doesn't start, he is a fine hurler by all accounts.
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Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
I thought out of your list Bellew and O'Reilly were the only two, apart from the manager. No Devine there at all
McGettigan's, Bellew and O'Reilly are from Strabane, Lafferty and McGee Connolly Ballybofey/Mccumhaills, Ward is from Cork, McMenamin Castlefinn area. Devine may be injured, he's from Strabane or Clady, very good hurler.
Wonder if McGee Connolly and Lafferty have been there since younger days, no issue with McMenamin as Castlefin is in the area and that's just who you would have to hurl for. Devine is from Strabane, he played a few games this season but don't think he committed.
Lafferty played a Senior Final or two in the last decade with McCumhaills and through underage. Unsure regarding McGee Connolly. Surprising Ward doesn't start, he is a fine hurler by all accounts.
He did start
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Hurling is the bigger joke. Donegal Champions constantly hitting Junior whereas the other equivalent counties go into Intermediate.
This exactly. But feck them, they had 8 blow ins and still didnt blow everyone away. Cheating hoors
Aye, but even Dungannon sneaking in this year was a low move too. Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Fermanagh champions should all be barred from entering the junior. Cavan are fair enough. As for Setanta, I counted 6 starters from outside the club and 2 subs.
Just thought they had a bad year(Dungannon)-difference is Tyrone still sent their champs intermediate and had 2 Ulster reps.
Kane, Gilmore, Cleary, Donaghue, Flynn, Coulter on starting team-not sure about subs.
Add to that McGettigan, Lafferty and McGee Connolly. On the bench Bellew, Ward, O'Reilly, McMenamin and Devine. Manager McGettigan is also an outside man although he played for Setanta for a while.
I thought out of your list Bellew and O'Reilly were the only two, apart from the manager. No Devine there at all
McGettigan's, Bellew and O'Reilly are from Strabane, Lafferty and McGee Connolly Ballybofey/Mccumhaills, Ward is from Cork, McMenamin Castlefinn area. Devine may be injured, he's from Strabane or Clady, very good hurler.
Wonder if McGee Connolly and Lafferty have been there since younger days, no issue with McMenamin as Castlefin is in the area and that's just who you would have to hurl for. Devine is from Strabane, he played a few games this season but don't think he committed.
Lafferty played a Senior Final or two in the last decade with McCumhaills and through underage. Unsure regarding McGee Connolly. Surprising Ward doesn't start, he is a fine hurler by all accounts.
He did start
Makes sense
Have Dunloy improved from last year....have they any chance of beating Slaughtneil tomorrow?
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Have Dunloy improved from last year....have they any chance of beating Slaughtneil tomorrow?
They have a chance surely but S'neil are the favourites... hoping it's a closer game, hopefully Dunloy physically have got closer, then it's down to the mangers getting the match ups right and tactics right.
Be a good game
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Have Dunloy improved from last year....have they any chance of beating Slaughtneil tomorrow?
Nigel Elliot back a big addition for them. They're also a year stronger as a lot of the team are still quite young. Slaughtneil still favourites but hopefully Dunloy have something to say about that.
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Have Dunloy improved from last year....have they any chance of beating Slaughtneil tomorrow?
Nigel Elliot back a big addition for them. They're also a year stronger as a lot of the team are still quite young. Slaughtneil still favourites but hopefully Dunloy have something to say about that.
He was very poor in the County final
Yeah he was well marked. Still a big asset with his pace.
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Yeah he was well marked. Still a big asset with his pace.
Was unreal today, what's that they say, Form is temporary but class is permanent
Winning ugly is still winning... it's taken a while but hopefully that's S'neil done, as they were tough cookies for a long time
The standard in Munster and Leinster is the benchmark at the minute, St Thomas will be favourites but I'd say it's going to be a close game
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Yeah he was well marked. Still a big asset with his pace.
Was unreal today, what's that they say, Form is temporary but class is permanent
Winning ugly is still winning... it's taken a while but hopefully that's S'neil done, as they were tough cookies for a long time
The standard in Munster and Leinster is the benchmark at the minute, St Thomas will be favourites but I'd say it's going to be a close game
I'm not sure if that's Slaughtneil done , they are still young and they weren't dominated today , be all down to the football
Yeah that game could have went either way. They'll be back. I'd be hopeful that will do wonders for Dunloy as for me in time this is a crop that could be as good as their team that nearly won an ai but slaughtneil will be sore from that and have shown they're not easy beat.
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Yeah that game could have went either way. They'll be back. I'd be hopeful that will do wonders for Dunloy as for me in time this is a crop that could be as good as their team that nearly won an ai but slaughtneil will be sore from that and have shown they're not easy beat.
Time will tell but I don't think they are a patch on those Dunloy teams. Slaghneil were 30% off their normal level today, so many handling errors & missed dips, and were still in it at the death.
Dunloy kept at it when the tide looked like turning in the second half so fair fcks to them & hopefully they give St Thomas a game in two weeks
Very young though and winning Antrim hands down tbh.
Bookies have no favourite for this game, the draw being the best value bet when that happens, though the 5/6 to qualify for Kilcoo is what I'm looking at
I thought Glen beat Kilcoo, after beating Slaughtneil handy and Kilcoo looked poor enough in Down. Glen looked poor enough 1st half against Errigal and the whole of the Cargin game and Kilcoo won their 2 Ulster games Games easy. I see Kilcoo win easy enough unless Glen get well on top at Midfield. Also they been very wasteful in front of goal, missing alot of scoring opportunities.
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I thought Glen would beat Kilcoo, after beating Slaughtneil handy and Kilcoo looked poor enough in Down. Glen looked poor enough 1st half against Errigal and the whole of the Cargin game and Kilcoo won their 2 Ulster games Games easy. I see Kilcoo win easy enough unless Glen get well on top at Midfield. Also they been very wasteful in front of goal, missing alot of scoring opportunities.
This what you meant?
Weather forecast looking very poor, barely rising above freezing and Fog in some forecasts.
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Few boys will be wearing tights again ;D
Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
But lost, no one remembers the team that nearly won, they lost out and Kilcoo went onto win the All Ireland
They missed a bagful against Cargin because Cargin closed out the space were defensive, Kilcoo do that also but have scorers all over the positions..
Be a tight final but I feel Kilcoo have been there done it, should shade it in extra time
Milltown, it's very obvious from posts on here and the past on the Derry county team you got a problem with the county in general.
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Milltown, it's very obvious from posts on here and the past on the Derry county team you got a problem with the county in general.
Agreed
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Milltown, it's very obvious from posts on here and the past on the Derry county team you got a problem with the county in general.
Agreed
No he just argues black is white on just about every thread on this board
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Milltown, it's very obvious from posts on here and the past on the Derry county team you got a problem with the county in general.
Agreed
No he just argues black is white on just about every thread on this board
Agreed arís
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Milltown, it's very obvious from posts on here and the past on the Derry county team you got a problem with the county in general.
As saffron said I'm just arguing for the sake of it, if you take it too seriously give your head a wobble
And fear, get back in that box again
It must be said though kilcoo have been v impressive in ulster this year plus they have won 2 ulsters going for the third - glen have not been as impressive as kilcoo - I'm not saying they don't have a big game in their locker but the smart money is on the magpies
Easy win for magpies!
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Easy win for magpies!
Extra time win, whoever is best at breaking the lines and who has improved the most
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Milltown, it's very obvious from posts on here and the past on the Derry county team you got a problem with the county in general.
As saffron said I'm just arguing for the sake of it, if you take it too seriously give your head a wobble
And fear, get back in that box again
Lol. Like a wee jack in the box
Kilcoo have better forwards and are better at the darker arts, Get a few quid on them
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
McFaul is quality, would be some craic if he rocked up on Sunday....
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
McFaul is quality, would be some craic if he rocked up on Sunday....
I'm sure if he's fit enough he'll start, but if he's half fit Kilcoo would kill him for pace...
I've ref'd them once, all wiry as feck but fast, real pace up and down the pitch, and fighters too, was only a challenge match but they don't like to lose a tackle never mind a game, different styles both teams, while I fancy Kilcoo, it wouldn't be a surprise if Glen followed up on their potential
Is he not in jail?
Kilcoo for me strong favourites. Glen would need to improve a lot but it is in them.
Corduff have had Rory Gallagher living with them for the past couple of months.Busy man on all fronts.Expect 20 men behind the ball on Saturday night.
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
McFaul is quality, would be some craic if he rocked up on Sunday....
I'm sure if he's fit enough he'll start, but if he's half fit Kilcoo would kill him for pace...
I've ref'd them once, all wiry as feck but fast, real pace up and down the pitch, and fighters too, was only a challenge match but they don't like to lose a tackle never mind a game, different styles both teams, while I fancy Kilcoo, it wouldn't be a surprise if Glen followed up on their potential
Is McFaul home? Last I heard he was in bother in the States.
I have to say, as much as I'd like to see Glen win, I think they'll struggle against Kilcoo.
I don't think Glen have been as good as last year and I think Kilcoo have actually pushed on a bit.
However, Glen will have gotten over that first championship win hurdle from last year and be a bit more confident than they were then.
It will be close, slight notion that Kilcoo will win it, but Glen winning would not surprise me either.
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If Glen are as good as Kilcoo it should be a great matchm
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
McFaul is quality, would be some craic if he rocked up on Sunday....
I'm sure if he's fit enough he'll start, but if he's half fit Kilcoo would kill him for pace...
I've ref'd them once, all wiry as feck but fast, real pace up and down the pitch, and fighters too, was only a challenge match but they don't like to lose a tackle never mind a game, different styles both teams, while I fancy Kilcoo, it wouldn't be a surprise if Glen followed up on their potential
Is McFaul home? Last I heard he was in bother in the States.
I have to say, as much as I'd like to see Glen win, I think they'll struggle against Kilcoo.
I don't think Glen have been as good as last year and I think Kilcoo have actually pushed on a bit.
However, Glen will have gotten over that first championship win hurdle from last year and be a bit more confident than they were then.
It will be close, slight notion that Kilcoo will win it, but Glen winning would not surprise me either.
I think McFaul is still in the clink in America, even still if he was home couldn't see Mal o Rourke throwing him in at centre back in an Ulster final having not played any. I fancy Kilcoo but it is the first game all year that Glen will be going into as under dogs so it may free them up a bit
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
McFaul is quality, would be some craic if he rocked up on Sunday....
I'm sure if he's fit enough he'll start, but if he's half fit Kilcoo would kill him for pace...
I've ref'd them once, all wiry as feck but fast, real pace up and down the pitch, and fighters too, was only a challenge match but they don't like to lose a tackle never mind a game, different styles both teams, while I fancy Kilcoo, it wouldn't be a surprise if Glen followed up on their potential
Is McFaul home? Last I heard he was in bother in the States.
I have to say, as much as I'd like to see Glen win, I think they'll struggle against Kilcoo.
I don't think Glen have been as good as last year and I think Kilcoo have actually pushed on a bit.
However, Glen will have gotten over that first championship win hurdle from last year and be a bit more confident than they were then.
It will be close, slight notion that Kilcoo will win it, but Glen winning would not surprise me either.
I think McFaul is still in the clink in America, even still if he was home couldn't see Mal o Rourke throwing him in at centre back in an Ulster final having not played any. I fancy Kilcoo but it is the first game all year that Glen will be going into as under dogs so it may free them up a bit
He's never been in the clink.
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As Sylvie Linnane observed, you won't win anything without a few tinkers.
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
McFaul is quality, would be some craic if he rocked up on Sunday....
I'm sure if he's fit enough he'll start, but if he's half fit Kilcoo would kill him for pace...
I've ref'd them once, all wiry as feck but fast, real pace up and down the pitch, and fighters too, was only a challenge match but they don't like to lose a tackle never mind a game, different styles both teams, while I fancy Kilcoo, it wouldn't be a surprise if Glen followed up on their potential
Is McFaul home? Last I heard he was in bother in the States.
I have to say, as much as I'd like to see Glen win, I think they'll struggle against Kilcoo.
I don't think Glen have been as good as last year and I think Kilcoo have actually pushed on a bit.
However, Glen will have gotten over that first championship win hurdle from last year and be a bit more confident than they were then.
It will be close, slight notion that Kilcoo will win it, but Glen winning would not surprise me either.
I think McFaul is still in the clink in America, even still if he was home couldn't see Mal o Rourke throwing him in at centre back in an Ulster final having not played any. I fancy Kilcoo but it is the first game all year that Glen will be going into as under dogs so it may free them up a bit
He's never been in the clink.
Is he home?
A quality player that could have an impact from the bench if in any sort of shape.
Hard to separate the teams - penalties after extra time
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Glen missed a bagful of chances against Cargin. They have the best midfield left in the competition and in Glass, probably the best player. They could strangle the life out of the Kilcoo attack. McFaul is a huge miss for them though so that equals things out a little. I still think Glen will just about win this.
they could have done all that last year too? Was McFaul playing last year?
They had Kilcoo beat in that game but for the keepers mistake. McFaul played centre half back and scored a point and was instrumental in a few other scores.
McFaul is quality, would be some craic if he rocked up on Sunday....
I'm sure if he's fit enough he'll start, but if he's half fit Kilcoo would kill him for pace...
I've ref'd them once, all wiry as feck but fast, real pace up and down the pitch, and fighters too, was only a challenge match but they don't like to lose a tackle never mind a game, different styles both teams, while I fancy Kilcoo, it wouldn't be a surprise if Glen followed up on their potential
Is McFaul home? Last I heard he was in bother in the States.
I have to say, as much as I'd like to see Glen win, I think they'll struggle against Kilcoo.
I don't think Glen have been as good as last year and I think Kilcoo have actually pushed on a bit.
However, Glen will have gotten over that first championship win hurdle from last year and be a bit more confident than they were then.
It will be close, slight notion that Kilcoo will win it, but Glen winning would not surprise me either.
I think McFaul is still in the clink in America, even still if he was home couldn't see Mal o Rourke throwing him in at centre back in an Ulster final having not played any. I fancy Kilcoo but it is the first game all year that Glen will be going into as under dogs so it may free them up a bit
He's never been in the clink.
I thought he was alleged to have battered a lad in America and was in America waiting to see the outcome of the thing
You talk some dung Saul.
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 08, 2022, 09:05:04 AM
Kilcoo have better forwards and are better at the darker arts, Get a few quid on them
Totally agree that kilcoo should be hot favourites, can't believe they're joint favourites with a lot of the bookies. On form, just going by the ulster club games I'd expect kilcoo to win by 5 or 6 points. Glen just don't look as solid this year without mcfaul but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
He's not home, he's up again mid December, don't kniw where people get he's home, even in Maghera they not sure what's happening. I didn't think he was on bail and was held over, unless he got out on 2nd court appearance.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2022/08/16/news/ex-derry_footballer_charged_in_us_over_attack_took_part_in_gaa_match_after_court_appearance-2799795/
I will be missing the match as I am traveling.
Can you pay for it on ulster gaa website and stream it back?
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I will be missing the match as I am traveling.
Can you pay for it on ulster gaa website and stream it back?
Tg4 player should allow you to watch it live and also on catch up, no?
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Jesus!!
Glen have had and won tight tougher matches in ulster this year than kilcoo so that is why the bookies see this as 50.50
McFaul was named amongst the subs for the Derry final (although he wasn't present at the match). Just goes to show that Glen still very much consider him a part of their plans if he was to become available.
Is there any danger of the match being called off with the freezing temps expected to last into the weekend? Would pitch be ok?
Quote from: RandyDupree on December 09, 2022, 02:07:07 AM
McFaul was named amongst the subs for the Derry final (although he wasn't present at the match). Just goes to show that Glen still very much consider him a part of their plans if he was to become available.
That's 2 ex Derry footballers on a shaky scraw
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Is there any danger of the match being called off with the freezing temps expected to last into the weekend? Would pitch be ok?
Athelic Grounds is as hard as the road year round, will be like concrete with these temps, personally think the game won't be played unless they cover the pitch - yet to hear of that happening in GAA. I won't be buying my ticket until the last minute.
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Is there any danger of the match being called off with the freezing temps expected to last into the weekend? Would pitch be ok?
Athelic Grounds is as hard as the road year round, will be like concrete with these temps, personally think the game won't be played unless they cover the pitch - yet to hear of that happening in GAA. I won't be buying my ticket until the last minute.
Wouldn't fancy sitting in Armagh in this weather, does be nippy in there at the best of times.
Imagine what Newry will be like at 6pm tomorrow evening :'(
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Imagine what Newry will be like at 6pm tomorrow evening :'(
Glasgow on Sunday ain't going to be a picnic either!
Parkhead is on standby with its undersoil heating.
Chance game on tomorrow be slim, barely above freezing all dayy
Game on today per rte.
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Game on today per rte.
Yeah pitch passed inspection, game on!
What's the difference between a frozen pitch and a 3G pitch? Are they both not rock hard?
A frozen pitch, with boots on is like running on an uneven, slippery footpath, you wouldn't do it. A 3G or 4G by its nature has more depth and is made to be able to absorb a moulded stud. It isn't dangerous.
All go. I have a few pound on glen to win by 1-3 points 5/2. Hopefully a good game.
Fancied the over 23 points and backed a draw
Quote from: supersub on December 11, 2022, 12:35:19 PM
A frozen pitch, with boots on is like running on an uneven, slippery footpath, you wouldn't do it. A 3G or 4G by its nature has more depth and is made to be able to absorb a moulded stud. It isn't dangerous.
Thanks. I thought it was more to do with falling on hard ground and the risk of injury.
Some start for Glen, 5-0 ahead after 10 minutes.
Glen looking fantastic
As good a 10 minutes football from Glen as you're likely to see.
And in a split second Kilcoo back in it.
Kilcoo goal. Talk about against the run of play!
How to beat the crowded defences, shoot from distance!!
Lucky goal!!
Cracking game
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Kilcoo goal. Talk about against the run of play!
Yes out of nothing. Margin cut back to a couple of points.
Bad goal to give away
Why is he trying to defend that tackle ;D
Red top and Dylan Ward having some battle in mid field great game.
Im having to watch without sound what was the black card for?
Have a feeling this will completely blow up in the second half, an all out brawl.
Silly black card there for Devlin. Dissent? Going to hurt his team badly
Oh wrong decision I see
I don't know either don't like joe refereeing it seems to be all about him. Giving Glen alot here.
Kilcoo with the head injury tactic during the black card I see ::)
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Kilcoo with the head injury tactic during the black card I see ::)
I hope Cross are taking note
Joe mcquillan loves the spotlight, terrible ref
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Kilcoo with the head injury tactic during the black card I see ::)
Was just about to suggest that. Silly challenge, gives Kilcoo the opportunity to run the clock.
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Watch the slow mo, Warnock hit him a belt round the head to be fair.
Loads of hold ups.
Devlin will miss about 5 minutes play
Ref should some cop on, lying down during a black card spell.
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I don't know either don't like joe refereeing it seems to be all about him. Giving Glen alot here.
Kilcoo doing some diving
3 phantom head injuries during black card. Classic Kilcoo sh1thousery
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I don't know either don't like joe refereeing it seems to be all about him. Giving Glen alot here.
Kilcoo doing some diving
As it is evolving yes just running the clock.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Ref should some cop on, lying down during a black card spell.
Some game/time management from Kilcoo all the same.
Depending or your viewpoint, it's either v clever or an absolute disgrace.
Seart bomaite is fiche imeartha. Seart in aghaidh a cuig.
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God love down going forward with Laverty at the helm if they cdo this carry on/cheating
Should be a rule that if you go down injured and physio comes on that you need to go off and only come back on at next break in play, unless yellow or red card given.
It's the ref at fault, it's obvious what's was happening, 1 out of the 3 was genuine, pure dirt from Ward there, that twice in a few minutes.
Turned into an awful ugly game this, Kilcoo aren't great to watch when they're up to this shite
Pure dirt let's hope Glen win for the sake of football
Pathetic dirty tackling by Kilcoo.
Kilcoo some shower
If Kilcoo get through Ward will be suspended anyway
Lying down as if he was hurt too, shocking
2 'accidental' Red Card challenges in a row by Dylan Ward
Joe hasnt much control of the game anyway
That was stupid by Dougan
Watching Kilcoo is like watching Argentina, and I don't mean that in a complimentary way, pure shithousery and dirt
Another poor decision
Outside the square ffs
Ole Harry missed it.
Cowardly stuff. Letting men jump for the ball and then digging them, tramping on boys on the ground. A decent ref would be having a field day.
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Pure dirt let's hope Glen win for the sake of football
Christ, i remember Spillane spouting this shi#te when Tyrone bate Kerry.
delighted he missed it. They wouldn't deserve to be ahead
There is nothing likeable about that Kilcoo team
Don't know if it was outside de the square, but the tackle from Dougan was silly.
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Pure dirt let's hope Glen win for the sake of football
Christ, i remember Spillane spouting this shi#te when Tyrone bate Kerry.
not the same. This is pure dirt from Kilcoo. Number 9 should be off twice. Joe hasn't a notion what's going on all around him
He's got 7 other officials all mic'd up and still missing things!!
In fairness that's a tough game to manage
It would be a brutal game to ref
Kilcoo could easily have led that half by 2 points even though they found themselves 0-5 to no score behind and played 10 minutes with 14 men. I suppose they showed why they are defending All-Ireland champions.
Joe seems to be losing control of the game already and can imagine it will become more difficult to ref 2nd half.
Very tough to manage that game, but with so many eyes to help he should be doing a better job
Don't know what the Down opinion of Kilcoo is, some very good players, but the play acting for killing time, the pulling glass by the neck going up for the ball, the cheap shot to the stomach then the deliberate stamp on the same player on the ground then lying pretending to be hurt. Not the most likely team, bit like Argentina in the soccer.
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He's got 7 other officials all mic'd up and still missing things!!
In fairness that's a tough game to manage
It's a totally unacceptable refereeing performance but he'll get big game after big game for as long as he wants. Mystifying.
This is a proper championship game maybe not in terms of quality but in terms of competitiveness and proper needle. The 2 sets of teams and supporters properly dislike each other. Kilcoo are masters of the dark arts and have employed them to their benefit in that first half with the time wasting, off the ball antics and treatment dished out to some of the Glen players. Glen were excellent until Kilcoo scored the goal out of the blue but they need to regain their composure quick as they have the better footballers. This could go down to the wire again and Ud be surprised if 30 men finish the game out.
Is it just a coincidence , or does every match joe mc quillan referees turn into an absolute circus?
Why would they dislike each other, they only met once previous.
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 11, 2022, 01:43:25 PM
Kilcoo could easily have led that half by 2 points even though they found themselves 0-5 to no score behind and played 10 minutes with 14 men. I suppose they showed why they are defending All-Ireland champions.
Joe seems to be losing control of the game already and can imagine it will become more difficult to ref 2nd half.
A hard game to referee but I agree with everything you say. Kilcoo have been in this position many times before and came out of it. Their not playing well and only a point down.
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It would be a brutal game to ref
A massive problem is that the punishments in the GAA are so weak it just gives teams every incentive to foul and cheat.
Any team who goes out and doesn't cheat and foul is just handing the opposition a massive advantage.
There was like 4 mins played in that 10min black card spell.
Kilcoo embrace the pantomime villain role well.
To only be a point behind despite being so poor is testament to how good they are in terms of game management (however unsavoury). They're playing on the edge and getting away with it - why wouldn't they if it's working?
I fairly enjoyed the first half, though I think Glen need to bring that level of cuteness to their game and fight fire with fire if they want to see this one out. The ref is poor although in fairness he did consult his umpires before awarding the penalty - can't really blame him for that? Likewise with Glass getting pulled down by the neck, ref wasn't looking at it so what can he do?
Good game, but by god Kilcoo are playing very close to the edge.
By my reckoning could have 2 on the line.
1 for a punch to the mid section and one for pulling glass down around the head.
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Good game, but by god Kilcoo are playing very close to the edge.
By my reckoning could have 2 on the line.
1 for a punch to the mid section and one for pulling glass down around the head.
Kilcoo No 9 stood on yer man too. Clear red that was
The tackle on Glass particular bad as he high up been pulled bck down by the neck to very hard ground.
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The tackle on Glass particular bad as he high up been pulled bck down by the neck to very hard ground.
the tackle on Jerome Johnson when he was in the air was equally as dangerous
Quote from: general_lee on December 11, 2022, 01:47:29 PM
Kilcoo embrace the pantomime villain role well.
To only be a point behind despite being so poor is testament to how good they are in terms of game management (however unsavoury). They're playing on the edge and getting away with it - why wouldn't they if it's working?
I fairly enjoyed the first half, though I think Glen need to bring that level of cuteness to their game and fight fire with fire if they want to see this one out. The ref is poor although in fairness he did consult his umpires before awarding the penalty - can't really blame him for that? Likewise with Glass getting pulled down by the neck, ref wasn't looking at it so what can he do?
But they were jumping for the ball - where the fcuk was he looking!
Impressive game management from Kilcoo, employing their full repertoire of shithousery. Difficult for any ref, but McQuillan does seem particularly gormless in the face of it all. Definitely feels like it could explode in the second half. Good December afternoon entertainment.
Glen need to getting more out of the Dohertys if they are to win.
Ward subbed??
Looks like it.
that looked closer to a penalty than the one he did give
5,389 the attendance today.
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Good game, but by god Kilcoo are playing very close to the edge.
By my reckoning could have 2 on the line.
1 for a punch to the mid section and one for pulling glass down around the head.
Same guy done both. Just been subbed off
Quote from: yellowcard on December 11, 2022, 01:45:02 PM
This is a proper championship game maybe not in terms of quality but in terms of competitiveness and proper needle. The 2 sets of teams and supporters properly dislike each other. Kilcoo are masters of the dark arts and have employed them to their benefit in that first half with the time wasting, off the ball antics and treatment dished out to some of the Glen players. Glen were excellent until Kilcoo scored the goal out of the blue but they need to regain their composure quick as they have the better footballers. This could go down to the wire again and Ud be surprised if 30 men finish the game out.
Exactly. Glen are far superior. They allowed Kilcoo back into it in the first half. Don't get sucked into Kilcoo's same and they will win.
Am surprised Glen go short on the kick out with a distinctive height advantage at Midfield.
Kilcoo with the novel tactic of tackling your own man to win a free.
McQuillan having a mare. Another very soft free for the divers
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Kilcoo with the novel tactic of tackling your own man to win a free.
Jesus McQuillan is brutal
Glen look to have much better quality here, but they're not as cute, and McQuillan is falling for alot of Kilcoo's shite
15 minutes of normal time left. Glen 0-10 to 1-5 in front.
Glen give away stupid frees when they plenty of men there.
Glen man getting held round the neck and it's a free in for over carrying . I mean this is past ridiculous. Supposed to be a showpiece.
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Quote from: general_lee on December 11, 2022, 01:47:29 PM
Kilcoo embrace the pantomime villain role well.
To only be a point behind despite being so poor is testament to how good they are in terms of game management (however unsavoury). They're playing on the edge and getting away with it - why wouldn't they if it's working?
I fairly enjoyed the first half, though I think Glen need to bring that level of cuteness to their game and fight fire with fire if they want to see this one out. The ref is poor although in fairness he did consult his umpires before awarding the penalty - can't really blame him for that? Likewise with Glass getting pulled down by the neck, ref wasn't looking at it so what can he do?
But they were jumping for the ball - where the fcuk was he looking!
From the replay it looks like the ref had eyes on the two players that actually contested the ball
Glen goalkeeper kick outs all over the place saved their ass there though.
Glen need to get more scores or they will be suckered punched at the death
Still a point in it
Glen playing with fire here, passing it around the back and their keeper going up the field, they need to get that scoreboard moving again
Glen playing a dangerous game trying to run down the clock with over 10 minutes left, need to go for the throat.
They got some passengers up front, surprised O'Hara not on. Corner bck for Kilcoo having some game. .
Ref has had a good five minutes to be fair.
Some idiot lit a, flare.
Into the final 5 minutes. Glen with the slender 2 point lead still.
Massive score by Doherty.
Mcfaul hindsight would be a big difference if he wasn't otherwise engaged.
McQuillan doesn't apear to put much stock in the rule that prevents you sticking your foot in when a player is dipping for the ball.
Some block by Glass.
Dangerous lead
Black card all day there.
Kilcoo really are a dirty shower ;D
Sin e.
Class stuff
All over kids, some fist forward there
Class stuff, fully deserved and this scoreline is a much better reflection of the performances in this game
Kilcoo dirty outfit, game over, try to get others send off
well deserved win
Kilcoo ain't no Corofin
FT Glen 1-12 Kilcoo 1-6. Congrats to Glen a good start to the match is half the battle and closed the game out well. The bold Joe Brolly was writing off Glen because of the bizarre view of managed by Malcahy O'Rourke i wonder will he give him some more credit now?
absolute disgrace from kilcoo player there couldn't handle losing
Kilcoo firing dirty slaps from start to finish. McEvoy throwing boxes at the end.
Great to see Glen prevail here, much the better side. Would have been a shame to see the dirty tactics of the other side come out on top
Delighted for Malachy O'Rourke too, legend. Brings success wherever he goes
Most cynical AI champions ever, well done to Glen well deserved. Kilcoo tried every trick in the book but their footballing limitations were eventually exposed today. There are a lot of things to admire about what Kilcoo have achieved as a club but their footballing style certainly isn't one of them.
Writing Glen off myself, based on the last day, still weren't great outside the first 20mins but done enough. How everybody lasted the game out, the talking point.
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FT Glen 1-12 Kilcoo 1-6. Congrats to Glen a good start to the match is half the battle and closed the game out well. The bold Joe Brolly was writing off Glen because of the bizarre view of managed by Malcahy O'Rourke i wonder will he give him some more credit now?
Joe Brolly
@JoeBrolly1993
The greatest ever Ulster minor club team has realised its potential. Wonderful victory for
@WattyGrahamsGAA
against the most difficult team in Ireland to beat. Congratulations to all our friends & neighbours across the mountain.
Good teams win 1 All Ireland, great teams win 2....
Hope ward and mcevoy get the suspensions they deserve
Two hateful dirty hoors of teams. Hard to want any of them to win that." Disgusting spectacle for Ulster club football
Mc quillan didn't help (as usual) but that was shocking stuff. I'm surprised nobody was seriously hurt there
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2022, 02:30:27 PM
Writing Glen off myself, based on the last day, still weren't great outside the first 20mibs but done enough. How everybody lasted the game out, the talking point.
Tbf it's hard to look good in a game like that, Kilcoo pulling every trick in the book and McQuillan falling for it all
Kilcoo got exactly what they deserved. How they get away with the shite they do is beyond me.
Ward both and McEvoy both should have walked.
Can't see Glen going all the way. Too defensive and allowed Kilcoo to remain in a game that was there for the taking much earlier.
I was worried when the crowd ran on at the end that there would be trouble, there was a real nasty atmosphere all game both in the stands and on the pitch.
I'm just glad Glen scored that goal at the end lol... brought it to 24 points ;D
Well done to Glen. The better team and thankfully a bit of extra bite and urgency in the second half saw them through. Kilcoo behaviour particularly towards the end was pathetic, fairly lost the run of themselves when they knew the game was up.
Glass is beast of a man, some performance. Great to see Glen win, they'll improve for the game, a bogeyman laid to rest - very early in their development too.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 11, 2022, 02:33:31 PM
I was worried when the crowd ran on at the end that there would be trouble, there was a real nasty atmosphere all game both in the stands and on the pitch.
Yeah, dumb and dangerous by McQuillan to blow for FT while players were still scuffling on the field. Asking for some overexcited idiot to run out and do something stupid.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on December 11, 2022, 02:28:08 PM
FT Glen 1-12 Kilcoo 1-6. Congrats to Glen a good start to the match is half the battle and closed the game out well. The bold Joe Brolly was writing off Glen because of the bizarre view of managed by Malcahy O'Rourke i wonder will he give him some more credit now?
Joe Brolly
@JoeBrolly1993
The greatest ever Ulster minor club team has realised its potential. Wonderful victory for
@WattyGrahamsGAA
against the most difficult team in Ireland to beat. Congratulations to all our friends & neighbours across the mountain.
Takes a certain individual not to praise Malcahy O'Rourke for the work he's done and now achieved with Glen. Joe still looking to be relevant bless him.
Who is that dose?
Another Derry club team with a Ulster title, its good different teams can come through and win Ulster titles. Took Kilcoo alot of go's before winning a Ulster title, Glen done it in 2,
Quote from: guevara on December 11, 2022, 02:32:34 PM
Kilcoo got exactly what they deserved. How they get away with the shite they do is beyond me.
Ward both and McEvoy both should have walked.
Can't see Glen going all the way. Too defensive and allowed Kilcoo to remain in a game that was there for the taking much earlier.
I'm not so sure. Kilmacud are the only crowd left that will beat them. Glen weren't great at all against EC, Cargin or Kilcoo today(apart from first 10 mins).
This will give them a big lift today. Need to improve their scoring, but they are a dangerous, big physical outfit. Pity, about McFaul as he would be a huge addition.
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Quote from: guevara on December 11, 2022, 02:32:34 PM
Kilcoo got exactly what they deserved. How they get away with the shite they do is beyond me.
Ward both and McEvoy both should have walked.
Can't see Glen going all the way. Too defensive and allowed Kilcoo to remain in a game that was there for the taking much earlier.
I'm not so sure. Kilmacud are the only crowd left that will beat them. Glen weren't great at all against EC, Cargin or Kilcoo today(apart from first 10 mins).
This will give them a big lift today. Need to improve their scoring, but they are a dangerous, big physical outfit. Pity, about McFaul as he would be a huge addition.
The Galway lads can play a bit too
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Quote from: guevara on December 11, 2022, 02:32:34 PM
Kilcoo got exactly what they deserved. How they get away with the shite they do is beyond me.
Ward both and McEvoy both should have walked.
Can't see Glen going all the way. Too defensive and allowed Kilcoo to remain in a game that was there for the taking much earlier.
I'm not so sure. Kilmacud are the only crowd left that will beat them. Glen weren't great at all against EC, Cargin or Kilcoo today(apart from first 10 mins).
This will give them a big lift today. Need to improve their scoring, but they are a dangerous, big physical outfit. Pity, about McFaul as he would be a huge addition.
The Galway lads can play a bit too
And Derry teams record against Galway opposition isn't great but best to let Glen enjoy their well earned Ulster success this afternoon.
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I was worried when the crowd ran on at the end that there would be trouble, there was a real nasty atmosphere all game both in the stands and on the pitch.
Yeah, dumb and dangerous by McQuillan to blow for FT while players were still scuffling on the field. Asking for some overexcited idiot to run out and do something stupid.
Said exact same. Couldve been a riot. Fair play Glen thought Kilcoo had them, Glen made couple mistakes and werent creating chances. Strong ending will stand them in great stead for again
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Quote from: Ed Ricketts on December 11, 2022, 02:38:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 11, 2022, 02:33:31 PM
I was worried when the crowd ran on at the end that there would be trouble, there was a real nasty atmosphere all game both in the stands and on the pitch.
Yeah, dumb and dangerous by McQuillan to blow for FT while players were still scuffling on the field. Asking for some overexcited idiot to run out and do something stupid.
Said exact same. Couldve been a riot. Fair play Glen thought Kilcoo had them, Glen made couple mistakes and werent creating chances. Strong ending will stand them in great stead for again
Madness to be giving throw ups when games are gone like today's was. Asking for trouble
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 11, 2022, 02:31:36 PM
Two hateful dirty hoors of teams. Hard to want any of them to win that." Disgusting spectacle
Enough about Argentina and Holland. What about the gaelic ?
The World Cup has only got 40 more pages than this discussion.
Anyone know where I can watch this game back. Missed it
Quote from: theticklemister on December 11, 2022, 05:49:14 PM
Anyone know where I can watch this game back. Missed it
TG4 player
Tried there. Not on yet. Thanks anyway
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Tried there. Not on yet. Thanks anyway
https://www.tg4.ie/ga/player/catagoir/sport/seinn/?pid=6317025019112&title=GAA%20Beo&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport&pcode=653447
Brilliant!!! That's me sorted tonight! Thank you very mich
Quote from: tyroneman on December 11, 2022, 02:21:35 PM
McQuillan doesn't apear to put much stock in the rule that prevents you sticking your foot in when a player is dipping for the ball.
Poor poor referee. Seems to also have forgot that a pull down is a black card. Several players on both teams got away with that type of tackle all day long. A woeful referee to be honest.
Always inconsistent, fouls called for an offence then not called for sane offence later in the game - no wonder players get frustrated when he is the referee
Naming the club after Watty Graham was a touch of class. Watty was a Presbyterian from the area who rose up in 1798 and was executed by the Brits. Great to see him remembered.
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 11, 2022, 08:03:53 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on December 11, 2022, 02:21:35 PM
McQuillan doesn't apear to put much stock in the rule that prevents you sticking your foot in when a player is dipping for the ball.
Poor poor referee. Seems to also have forgot that a pull down is a black card. Several players on both teams got away with that type of tackle all day long. A woeful referee to be honest.
Always inconsistent, fouls called for an offence then not called for sane offence later in the game - no wonder players get frustrated when he is the referee
He is woeful
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2022, 08:07:01 PM
Naming the club after Watty Graham was a touch of class. Watty was a Presbyterian from the area who rose up in 1798 and was executed by the Brits. Great to see him remembered.
Always wondered about that. It's a unique name. Gregory Campbell must be torn.
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
I saw the interview and was at the game but with so much going on hard to see the incident(s) he was referring to it would be a good game to watch back on TG4
Quote from: Sportacus on December 11, 2022, 08:20:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2022, 08:07:01 PM
Naming the club after Watty Graham was a touch of class. Watty was a Presbyterian from the area who rose up in 1798 and was executed by the Brits. Great to see him remembered.
Always wondered about that. It's a unique name. Gregory Campbell must be torn.
At that time the Presbyterians often sided with the Catholics. The rising scared the authorities and resulted in the Act of Union which brought Presbyterians onto the British side. The DUP became possible and the rest is awful history.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
You could see Ward giving Glass constant verbals during the first half so I'd say that was what he was referring to. They tried to provoke Glass but it didn't work, he was magnificent again.
Glen the better footballers, Kilcoo are the dirtiest team I've seen in a long time.
Not just dirt, but some downright dangerous play.
Glen fully deserved winners.
Love to see them go all the way, I just hope they can get enough scores
Glass absolutely immense. Shaping up to be one of those footballers of a generation.
Well done glen, superb ulster champions and hope they bring the Andy merrigan cup back to the province!!
Kilcoo have been top class ulster and all ireland champions and have given their club some unbelievable memories that won't be taken away!
No reason why Glen can't win it now. I think it's between them and Kilmacud but these games is where the experience of Malachy O'Rourke could prove vital. They have the best manager left in the competition with a very good group of players and the football tends to be more open once you get out of the bearpit of Ulster. That might suit them but they will need more improvement up front as they don't score that heavily.
Kilmacud looked the strongest team all year, won Leinster fairly handy with the stand out forward left. Had Mannion been playing they wouldn't been stopped.
Did Conor Carville think he won the Andy Merrigan Cup today?
Anyhow, delighted for our neighbours, very deserving winners.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
That was my thoughts as well. Ward going off took alot of drive out of kilcoo he was instrumental in their goal. Glass got the freedom of the park when Dylan left the Frey. He was carrying a hamstring injury going into the game so perhaps wasn't able to go full of the pipe either.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on December 11, 2022, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
That was my thoughts as well. Ward going off took alot of drive out of kilcoo he was instrumental in their goal. Glass got the freedom of the park when Dylan left the Frey. He was carrying a hamstring injury going into the game so perhaps wasn't able to go full of the pipe either.
He should have received a straight red for a deliberate stamp.
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 11, 2022, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
I saw the interview and was at the game but with so much going on hard to see the incident(s) he was referring to it would be a good game to watch back on TG4
I was at the game and have since came home and watched it again. The tv doesn't do the intensity or ferocity justice to be honest. There were incidents happening all over the place but the tv is following the play. The intensity in the last 15 minutes was incredible both on the pitch and in the stand.
Glen's start was something else, they had serious intent early on and deserved their win.
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 11, 2022, 10:00:55 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 11, 2022, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
I saw the interview and was at the game but with so much going on hard to see the incident(s) he was referring to it would be a good game to watch back on TG4
I was at the game and have since came home and watched it again. The tv doesn't do the intensity or ferocity justice to be honest. There were incidents happening all over the place but the tv is following the play. The intensity in the last 15 minutes was incredible both on the pitch and in the stand.
Glen's start was something else, they had serious intent early on and deserved their win.
💯 hi intensity game, a lot of stuff going on both ways and some no doubt crossed the line. Bottom line is Glens first 10 minutes won the game! Fair play, now go and win the AI and dethrone the already pronounced champions
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 11, 2022, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
I saw the interview and was at the game but with so much going on hard to see the incident(s) he was referring to it would be a good game to watch back on TG4
I would say it was the thing with his nose. I just watched the game back and saw it. Ward did a fairly hefty pull on his nose from behind him when he was falling to the ground. I read on Twitter glass's nose was broke, possibly before it, but not sure. Both teams at stuff but ward at a few very below the belt things. Don't know anything about him so not like I have any axe to grind!
who do glen play in semi final
Moycullen of Galway
10/11 Jan
Get in there!!! A shower of absolute gypsies. No wonder they are hated in Down.
Walter just getting in from the after party 😃
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 12, 2022, 06:53:35 AM
Get in there!!! A shower of absolute gypsies. No wonder they are hated in Down.
Hated or envied? Maybe a bit of both
Quote from: yellowcard on December 11, 2022, 09:11:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
You could see Ward giving Glass constant verbals during the first half so I'd say that was what he was referring to. They tried to provoke Glass but it didn't work, he was magnificent again.
Yeah probably the difference in this year and last, they were able to keep Glass half quiet last year but he was superb yesterday.
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Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on December 11, 2022, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
That was my thoughts as well. Ward going off took alot of drive out of kilcoo he was instrumental in their goal. Glass got the freedom of the park when Dylan left the Frey. He was carrying a hamstring injury going into the game so perhaps wasn't able to go full of the pipe either.
He should have received a straight red for a deliberate stamp.
Yeah he left one in on the lad then stood on him going past, then went down feeling the hamstring
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Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
You could see Ward giving Glass constant verbals during the first half so I'd say that was what he was referring to. They tried to provoke Glass but it didn't work, he was magnificent again.
Yeah probably the difference in this year and last, they were able to keep Glass half quiet last year but he was superb yesterday.
6/10 from Brendan Crossan in the Irish News, not that he would have the first clue
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Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
That was my thoughts as well. Ward going off took alot of drive out of kilcoo he was instrumental in their goal. Glass got the freedom of the park when Dylan left the Frey. He was carrying a hamstring injury going into the game so perhaps wasn't able to go full of the pipe either.
He should have received a straight red for a deliberate stamp.
Yeah he left one in on the lad then stood on him going past, then went down feeling the hamstring
What was he at with Glass's nose?
I only watched it back and while Glass was good I didn't think he was outstandingly good.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2022, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 11, 2022, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
I saw the interview and was at the game but with so much going on hard to see the incident(s) he was referring to it would be a good game to watch back on TG4
I would say it was the thing with his nose. I just watched the game back and saw it. Ward did a fairly hefty pull on his nose from behind him when he was falling to the ground. I read on Twitter glass's nose was broke, possibly before it, but not sure. Both teams at stuff but ward at a few very below the belt things. Don't know anything about him so not like I have any axe to grind!
Yeah that was nasty enough
Ai if a boy is at that kind of caper it would be very hard to have any respect for him.
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Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
That was my thoughts as well. Ward going off took alot of drive out of kilcoo he was instrumental in their goal. Glass got the freedom of the park when Dylan left the Frey. He was carrying a hamstring injury going into the game so perhaps wasn't able to go full of the pipe either.
He should have received a straight red for a deliberate stamp.
Yeah he left one in on the lad then stood on him going past, then went down feeling the hamstring
What was he at with Glass's nose?
I only watched it back and while Glass was good I didn't think he was outstandingly good.
He was very good I thought, maybe not eye catchingly with high fetches and kicking points but defensively he covered an awful lot lot of ground. Also Kilcoo deliberately kept their kick outs away from him which allowed Glen to press the Kilcoo defence on short kick outs forcing some turnovers. He has been the best player in this Ulster club championship and plays the game the right way despite constant provocation.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 12, 2022, 06:53:35 AM
Get in there!!! A shower of absolute gypsies. No wonder they are hated in Down.
Hated or envied? Maybe a bit of both
Seems to be a bit of both tbh. No doubt they are a dirty shower that go too far, but then again nice boys don't win all irelands.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM
Fair play to Glen, what a performance at the start then did enough to keep ahead. Looked that wee bit hungrier and fitter than Kilcoo. Thought Ward was a massive loss at half time. Glass with an inspirational block on Branagan late on.
Haven't read on here but what did everyone make of his interview, wonder what was said that went too far. Ward was at him the whole time
That was my thoughts as well. Ward going off took alot of drive out of kilcoo he was instrumental in their goal. Glass got the freedom of the park when Dylan left the Frey. He was carrying a hamstring injury going into the game so perhaps wasn't able to go full of the pipe either.
He should have received a straight red for a deliberate stamp.
Yeah he left one in on the lad then stood on him going past, then went down feeling the hamstring
What was he at with Glass's nose?
I only watched it back and while Glass was good I didn't think he was outstandingly good.
He was very good I thought, maybe not eye catchingly with high fetches and kicking points but defensively he covered an awful lot lot of ground. Also Kilcoo deliberately kept their kick outs away from him which allowed Glen to press the Kilcoo defence on short kick outs forcing some turnovers. He has been the best player in this Ulster club championship and plays the game the right way despite constant provocation.
Yeah he was very tightly marked first by Ward and then by number 5. He wasn't bad by any stretch at all but I don't think he was MOTM. Tbh it was a very mature performance from him was how I would best describe it.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 12, 2022, 06:53:35 AM
Get in there!!! A shower of absolute gypsies. No wonder they are hated in Down.
Well done, what happened Conor Glass?
McGuckian won the MOTM award on TG4 and deservedly so.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 12, 2022, 06:53:35 AM
Get in there!!! A shower of absolute gypsies. No wonder they are hated in Down.
Hated or envied? Maybe a bit of both
Seems to be a bit of both tbh. No doubt they are a dirty shower that go too far, but then again nice boys don't win all irelands.
You do need a few tinkers but not 15
Quote from: seafoid on December 12, 2022, 10:21:32 AM
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 12, 2022, 06:53:35 AM
Get in there!!! A shower of absolute gypsies. No wonder they are hated in Down.
Hated or envied? Maybe a bit of both
Seems to be a bit of both tbh. No doubt they are a dirty shower that go too far, but then again nice boys don't win all irelands.
You do need a few tinkers but not 15
Yeah look I've huge respect for what they've achieved as a small rural club, majority of team related to each other as well and they are properly inspirational, but some of the stories you hear about what they be saying on the pitch is properly disgusting.
I'd say Glass is referring to the incident where Ward seemed to pull him down in midfield from behind and gouged at his nose etc. Was a trampy act. He followed that up with a stamp and then lay down as if he was hurt and you could see him looking up before he lay down. I think that was checking who saw what.
While I have sympathy for Glass and his honesty in what he said I would be of the opinion that when you lose say nothing, when you win say even less. Those types of comments are fuel for teams like Kilcoo. The same way they were for us over the years. Siege mentality created and away ye go.
Kilcoo will be back though there are an awful lot of miles on legs. Momentum has taken them to this point. There's an awful lot needed to reset. Teams in Down will fancy their chances, though I still think they will win out the next few years. Ulster is resetting though and Glen will be there for a few years yet.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2022, 11:00:10 AM
I'd say Glass is referring to the incident where Ward seemed to pull him down in midfield from behind and gouged at his nose etc. Was a trampy act. He followed that up with a stamp and then lay down as if he was hurt and you could see him looking up before he lay down. I think that was checking who saw what.
While I have sympathy for Glass and his honesty in what he said I would be of the opinion that when you lose say nothing, when you win say even less. Those types of comments are fuel for teams like Kilcoo. The same way they were for us over the years. Siege mentality created and away ye go.
Kilcoo will be back though there are an awful lot of miles on legs. Momentum has taken them to this point. There's an awful lot needed to reset. Teams in Down will fancy their chances, though I still think they will win out the next few years. Ulster is resetting though and Glen will be there for a few years yet.
They will still be the team to beat for sure but there are a few teams capable on beating them on their day.
Their is nothing wrong with playing defensive or aggressive high pressure jackie charlton played high pressure but once you get violent you over step the mark.
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2022, 01:23:34 PM
Loads of hold ups.
I only seen one lad wearing these but assumed they were tights rather than stockings, the kinky f**ker.
Reading this thread you'd think Kilcoo are the first team to sail close to the wind regarding challenges and verbals. All successful teams, club or county have players that play on the edge, you win nothing by being nice guys.
Tyrone, Armagh, Crossmaglen had plenty of players who could mix it, loved by their own, hated by everyone else. Kilcoo and Glen and every other successful club team have plenty of players who are experts in the dark arts, reading this you'd get the impression it's a new thing we're witnessing.
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 12, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Reading this thread you'd think Kilcoo are the first team to sail close to the wind regarding challenges and verbals. All successful teams, club or county have players that play on the edge, you win nothing by being nice guys.
Tyrone, Armagh, Crossmaglen had plenty of players who could mix it, loved by their own, hated by everyone else. Kilcoo and Glen and every other successful club team have plenty of players who are experts in the dark arts, reading this you'd get the impression it's a new thing we're witnessing.
Maybe it's my Derry tinted glasses but I thought Kilcoo were far more trampish in this game than Glen. As far as I can see if Glen are playing a team who want to play football they'll try to play football too.
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 12, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Reading this thread you'd think Kilcoo are the first team to sail close to the wind regarding challenges and verbals. All successful teams, club or county have players that play on the edge, you win nothing by being nice guys.
Tyrone, Armagh, Crossmaglen had plenty of players who could mix it, loved by their own, hated by everyone else. Kilcoo and Glen and every other successful club team have plenty of players who are experts in the dark arts, reading this you'd get the impression it's a new thing we're witnessing.
It's not that is a new thing, more that Kilcoo are extremely blatant about it. Their collective understanding and willingness for just how far the rules of the game can be bent in your favour, is unparalleled.
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 12, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Reading this thread you'd think Kilcoo are the first team to sail close to the wind regarding challenges and verbals. All successful teams, club or county have players that play on the edge, you win nothing by being nice guys.
Tyrone, Armagh, Crossmaglen had plenty of players who could mix it, loved by their own, hated by everyone else. Kilcoo and Glen and every other successful club team have plenty of players who are experts in the dark arts, reading this you'd get the impression it's a new thing we're witnessing.
I always admire players like that and definitely admire this Kilcoo team but they seem to be a whole different level when it comes to the dark arts and sledging, near as bad as Tyrone!! ;)
Mighty first 10-15 from the wattys was the catalyst in an impressive victory. 5 point head starts aren't ideal against anyone but especially against a team as dynamic as glen.
Penalrt miss was a real turning point too, been some kick in the balls for glen to go in behind after controlling the 1st half and kilcoo heads would have been up but it resulted in the opposite. Kilcoo never really look like winning at any stage from there on in.
Laverty's legs look to have gone completely. Shame as he's a class act on and off the pitch.
I'll be honest but Kilcoo are no different to many teams in that they sail close to the wind. I'm sure they give the verbals plenty but that's been going on since God was a gassun. We did it and we received it. Your mother, your sister, ye Brit so and so, the usual. You just get in with it.
Was talking with a few of us older players there recently and we talked about how we get friendlier with ex opponents the further away you go from your playing days. When you meet lads now at under age blitz's and the like who you'd have bate the head off on the field it's all history. I'd like to think that will always be the case. Toe to toe on the field but pint by pint in the club.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2022, 01:27:11 PM
I'll be honest but Kilcoo are no different to many teams in that they sail close to the wind. I'm sure they give the verbals plenty but that's been going on since God was a gassun. We did it and we received it. Your mother, your sister, ye Brit so and so, the usual. You just get in with it.
Was talking with a few of us older players there recently and we talked about how we get friendlier with ex opponents the further away you go from your playing days. When you meet lads now at under age blitz's and the like who you'd have bate the head off on the field it's all history. I'd like to think that will always be the case. Toe to toe on the field but pint by pint in the club.
Mentioning dead people is over the line
I think its too simplistic to say that all teams employ the dark arts. It's fairly obvious to me that some are worse than others and it can be quite easily stopped by management. It's also a fallacy to say that you need to go down that route to gain an edge or to win. I'd say the majority of players play within the rules but some will always over step the mark. Quite often its the inferior player who needs to try and drag the game down to a physical or verbaL battle since they know that they will come off second best in a footballing contest. That is what happened with Ward and Glass yesterday imo. Ward knew he couldn't match Glass on a footballing level and therefore resorted to sledging and dirty tricks. Kilcoo have built up a history of foul tactics and it wasn't earned overnight. That is not to say they don't have some players who don't engage in these tactics, its too easy to tar everyone with the one brush. There is lots to admire about what they have achieved as a club but they have pushed the boundaries on plenty of occasions along the way.
I've heard stories about players who have researched girlfriends and sisters details prior to Ulster club matches and used it to bait opponents in order to try and gain an edge. When you have to resort to that sort of stuff I don't think players should just suck it up as being part of the game.
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 12, 2022, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2022, 01:27:11 PM
I'll be honest but Kilcoo are no different to many teams in that they sail close to the wind. I'm sure they give the verbals plenty but that's been going on since God was a gassun. We did it and we received it. Your mother, your sister, ye Brit so and so, the usual. You just get in with it.
Was talking with a few of us older players there recently and we talked about how we get friendlier with ex opponents the further away you go from your playing days. When you meet lads now at under age blitz's and the like who you'd have bate the head off on the field it's all history. I'd like to think that will always be the case. Toe to toe on the field but pint by pint in the club.
Mentioning dead people is over the line
Agreed.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2022, 12:54:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 12, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Reading this thread you'd think Kilcoo are the first team to sail close to the wind regarding challenges and verbals. All successful teams, club or county have players that play on the edge, you win nothing by being nice guys.
Tyrone, Armagh, Crossmaglen had plenty of players who could mix it, loved by their own, hated by everyone else. Kilcoo and Glen and every other successful club team have plenty of players who are experts in the dark arts, reading this you'd get the impression it's a new thing we're witnessing.
It's not that is a new thing, more that Kilcoo are extremely blatant about it. Their collective understanding and willingness for just how far the rules of the game can be bent in your favour, is unparalleled.
Collective, but also specifically you had a thug running around for the whole of the first half intent on injuring opponents with Judas hits. If you are equivocal about that then you're in the wrong sport.
I'm sure if you re-read the Armagh - Galway AIQF thread you will see a lot of similar comments as this one.
In any event Glen were a far better team in every respect. Physically they dominated Kilcoo and were Just a better footballing side. That's the biggest sickener for Kilcoo. Glen dominated them.
Quote from: Sportacus on December 12, 2022, 01:49:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2022, 12:54:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 12, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Reading this thread you'd think Kilcoo are the first team to sail close to the wind regarding challenges and verbals. All successful teams, club or county have players that play on the edge, you win nothing by being nice guys.
Tyrone, Armagh, Crossmaglen had plenty of players who could mix it, loved by their own, hated by everyone else. Kilcoo and Glen and every other successful club team have plenty of players who are experts in the dark arts, reading this you'd get the impression it's a new thing we're witnessing.
It's not that is a new thing, more that Kilcoo are extremely blatant about it. Their collective understanding and willingness for just how far the rules of the game can be bent in your favour, is unparalleled.
Collective, but also specifically you had a thug running around for the whole of the first half intent on injuring opponents with Judas hits. If you are equivocal about that then you're in the wrong sport.
Chief bollix is Ward, followed by his fake tan buddy Ryan Johnson. The other brothers are tits also. Sheelan one does some crying and feigning injury. Doherty and the Brannigan lads seem alright
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 12, 2022, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2022, 01:27:11 PM
I'll be honest but Kilcoo are no different to many teams in that they sail close to the wind. I'm sure they give the verbals plenty but that's been going on since God was a gassun. We did it and we received it. Your mother, your sister, ye Brit so and so, the usual. You just get in with it.
Was talking with a few of us older players there recently and we talked about how we get friendlier with ex opponents the further away you go from your playing days. When you meet lads now at under age blitz's and the like who you'd have bate the head off on the field it's all history. I'd like to think that will always be the case. Toe to toe on the field but pint by pint in the club.
Mentioning dead people is over the line
100%. I wasn't at the game and obviously wasn't on the field so no idea what was said or wasn't said, but heard stories of that sort of thing being said by Kilcoo players before which is completely disgusting
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
I think its too simplistic to say that all teams employ the dark arts. It's fairly obvious to me that some are worse than others and it can be quite easily stopped by management. It's also a fallacy to say that you need to go down that route to gain an edge or to win. I'd say the majority of players play within the rules but some will always over step the mark. Quite often its the inferior player who needs to try and drag the game down to a physical or verbaL battle since they know that they will come off second best in a footballing contest. That is what happened with Ward and Glass yesterday imo. Ward knew he couldn't match Glass on a footballing level and therefore resorted to sledging and dirty tricks. Kilcoo have built up a history of foul tactics and it wasn't earned overnight. That is not to say they don't have some players who don't engage in these tactics, its too easy to tar everyone with the one brush. There is lots to admire about what they have achieved as a club but they have pushed the boundaries on plenty of occasions along the way.
I've heard stories about players who have researched girlfriends and sisters details prior to Ulster club matches and used it to bait opponents in order to try and gain an edge. When you have to resort to that sort of stuff I don't think players should just suck it up as being part of the game.
if that is the sort of stuff that is gong on its a oversteeping the mark and a bit creepish.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
I think its too simplistic to say that all teams employ the dark arts. It's fairly obvious to me that some are worse than others and it can be quite easily stopped by management. It's also a fallacy to say that you need to go down that route to gain an edge or to win. I'd say the majority of players play within the rules but some will always over step the mark. Quite often its the inferior player who needs to try and drag the game down to a physical or verbaL battle since they know that they will come off second best in a footballing contest. That is what happened with Ward and Glass yesterday imo. Ward knew he couldn't match Glass on a footballing level and therefore resorted to sledging and dirty tricks. Kilcoo have built up a history of foul tactics and it wasn't earned overnight. That is not to say they don't have some players who don't engage in these tactics, its too easy to tar everyone with the one brush. There is lots to admire about what they have achieved as a club but they have pushed the boundaries on plenty of occasions along the way.
I've heard stories about players who have researched girlfriends and sisters details prior to Ulster club matches and used it to bait opponents in order to try and gain an edge. When you have to resort to that sort of stuff I don't think players should just suck it up as being part of the game.
Yeah and not many can match Glass footballing wise, he is excellent, only way for most to get the better of him is to resort to dirty tactics and in fairness to Glass he has kept the head when wound up and let his football do the talking this year, was a few incidents against EC as well were lads were at it off the ball and he didnt react. Ward did a good job on him in last years game and Kilcoo definitely missed him in the second half yesterday.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 12, 2022, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
I think its too simplistic to say that all teams employ the dark arts. It's fairly obvious to me that some are worse than others and it can be quite easily stopped by management. It's also a fallacy to say that you need to go down that route to gain an edge or to win. I'd say the majority of players play within the rules but some will always over step the mark. Quite often its the inferior player who needs to try and drag the game down to a physical or verbaL battle since they know that they will come off second best in a footballing contest. That is what happened with Ward and Glass yesterday imo. Ward knew he couldn't match Glass on a footballing level and therefore resorted to sledging and dirty tricks. Kilcoo have built up a history of foul tactics and it wasn't earned overnight. That is not to say they don't have some players who don't engage in these tactics, its too easy to tar everyone with the one brush. There is lots to admire about what they have achieved as a club but they have pushed the boundaries on plenty of occasions along the way.
I've heard stories about players who have researched girlfriends and sisters details prior to Ulster club matches and used it to bait opponents in order to try and gain an edge. When you have to resort to that sort of stuff I don't think players should just suck it up as being part of the game.
if that is the sort of stuff that is gong on its a oversteeping the mark and a bit creepish.
That's been going on a brave while
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 12, 2022, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
I think its too simplistic to say that all teams employ the dark arts. It's fairly obvious to me that some are worse than others and it can be quite easily stopped by management. It's also a fallacy to say that you need to go down that route to gain an edge or to win. I'd say the majority of players play within the rules but some will always over step the mark. Quite often its the inferior player who needs to try and drag the game down to a physical or verbaL battle since they know that they will come off second best in a footballing contest. That is what happened with Ward and Glass yesterday imo. Ward knew he couldn't match Glass on a footballing level and therefore resorted to sledging and dirty tricks. Kilcoo have built up a history of foul tactics and it wasn't earned overnight. That is not to say they don't have some players who don't engage in these tactics, its too easy to tar everyone with the one brush. There is lots to admire about what they have achieved as a club but they have pushed the boundaries on plenty of occasions along the way.
I've heard stories about players who have researched girlfriends and sisters details prior to Ulster club matches and used it to bait opponents in order to try and gain an edge. When you have to resort to that sort of stuff I don't think players should just suck it up as being part of the game.
Yeah and not many can match Glass footballing wise, he is excellent, only way for most to get the better of him is to resort to dirty tactics and in fairness to Glass he has kept the head when wound up and let his football do the talking this year, was a few incidents against EC as well were lads were at it off the ball and he didnt react. Ward did a good job on him in last years game and Kilcoo definitely missed him in the second half yesterday.
Joe Oguz got wired into Conor against EC but the difference is he's an excellent young footballer with great potential for Tyrone!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 12, 2022, 02:16:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 12, 2022, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
I think its too simplistic to say that all teams employ the dark arts. It's fairly obvious to me that some are worse than others and it can be quite easily stopped by management. It's also a fallacy to say that you need to go down that route to gain an edge or to win. I'd say the majority of players play within the rules but some will always over step the mark. Quite often its the inferior player who needs to try and drag the game down to a physical or verbaL battle since they know that they will come off second best in a footballing contest. That is what happened with Ward and Glass yesterday imo. Ward knew he couldn't match Glass on a footballing level and therefore resorted to sledging and dirty tricks. Kilcoo have built up a history of foul tactics and it wasn't earned overnight. That is not to say they don't have some players who don't engage in these tactics, its too easy to tar everyone with the one brush. There is lots to admire about what they have achieved as a club but they have pushed the boundaries on plenty of occasions along the way.
I've heard stories about players who have researched girlfriends and sisters details prior to Ulster club matches and used it to bait opponents in order to try and gain an edge. When you have to resort to that sort of stuff I don't think players should just suck it up as being part of the game.
Yeah and not many can match Glass footballing wise, he is excellent, only way for most to get the better of him is to resort to dirty tactics and in fairness to Glass he has kept the head when wound up and let his football do the talking this year, was a few incidents against EC as well were lads were at it off the ball and he didnt react. Ward did a good job on him in last years game and Kilcoo definitely missed him in the second half yesterday.
Joe Oguz got wired into Conor against EC but the difference is he's an excellent young footballer with great potential for Tyrone!
Ward a very good footballer himself!
Not a big fan of the dark arts as its put, and watching the game on Sunday it just looked like someone had lit a tank of fuel, there was some off at the side of the camera view that you had lads lying on their backs but the stuff caught on camera was bad enough..
Maybe we would have won a few more Ulster had we taken that approach, but not in our mentality but maybe if we had a decent mix of it wouldn't be all bad ;)
I remember as a juvenile we'd a lad that came to us from a different city club, what struck me was his style of playing or his off the ball stuff, things were obviously coached from an early age, needless to say he never made it to senior, just wasn't 'our' thing
You can be as hard as you want when you go fairly for the ball, and when the house is down, bring him down, that's cynical I know but when the stakes are high someone will take a black card, that happened yesterday late on
3 good teams left in it now, not writing off the Kerry lads but I can't see Crokes losing that one, Glen's game will be a 50/50 but they showed some character yesterday. I'd have fancied Kilcoo before the game
It took Kilcoo 3 goes to win the all Ireland. Lost semi, lost final, won final.
Quote from: seafoid on December 12, 2022, 03:30:33 PM
It took Kilcoo 3 goes to win the all Ireland. Lost semi, lost final, won final.
Don't think so. They only won Ulster twice? 2019 and 2021
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 12, 2022, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 12, 2022, 03:30:33 PM
It took Kilcoo 3 goes to win the all Ireland. Lost semi, lost final, won final.
Don't think so. They only won Ulster twice? 2019 and 2021
Correct lost ulster finals 2012 and 2016
They've never lost a semi-final. That's not a bad record.
Watched it again there.
Both mulhollands were on the receiving end of a kilcoo players' boot yesterday.
Ward should have been off for the punch then tr**p on eunan.
It was a kick on cathal by no21 and not a trip. very dangerous tackle which should have been red not black.
The tights wearing Brannigan took 9 steps trying to take on convery then took a fall. that free ended up in kilcoo's goal.
Johnston also took a dive when running alongside warnock, slo mo made it look even worse. Some how it ended in a hop ball.
Black card should have been given for the pull down start of second half too. Glen's goal chance.
And how there wasn't a red for the full backs attempted tackles on bradley at the end? 2 or 3 punches to the gut.
I wouldn't have been too pleased in the ref's performance if i was from Glen.
Problem I had, was a ref who reffed alot of high level games was so far off of what was going on. 3 Kilcoo men down a total of 6 mins of the black card spell, with no obvious head contact. Had the ref played on, they soon get up. Ward deliberate gouge/ nose pick or whatever the f**k he was at, especially on a man going up unprotected for a high ball could been a red card, the punch to the stomach and the deliberate stamp a few minutes late were both red card offences. I nothing good to say about that lad, Brian McGilligan would had him lights out after 20mins, but Glass not that type of player. Kilcoo in general especially when they knew they were beat, let themselves down a bagful trying to start a fight.
Kilcoo are no saints but some things I noticed just to level up
Warnock persistent holding and dragging of devlin but devlin gets black card.
Glenn lad was allowed to run across the eyeline of the kilcoo caretaker twice but nothing done by ref.
Glenn manager threw a second ball onto the field of play in the second half when kilcoo were on attack.
Come back to me when they were down all the time pretending to be hurt and nothing wrong with them. Thought it was Neymar wearing black.
Quote from: downtothecore on December 12, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
Kilcoo are no saints but some things I noticed just to level up
Warnock persistent holding and dragging of devlin but devlin gets black card.
Glenn lad was allowed to run across the eyeline of the kilcoo caretaker twice but nothing done by ref.
Glenn manager threw a second ball onto the field of play in the second half when kilcoo were on attack.
After last year, you have to be on the wind up?
TG4 cameras showed devlin pulling down warnock for the black.
If you are managing a team or a player and lost a player/teammate to a black card you'll expect players to take the piss, the ref is not a doctor, I'll take my advice from the medic.
The rule needs changing, it's being abused.
For me watching it on tv, there was numerous cards that should have been handed out, on both to be fair.
Hurson I think called the black card for the Kilcoo player, so all sorts were going on behind the ref's back.
Impossible game to ref
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 12, 2022, 05:50:37 PM
Come back to me when they were down all the time pretending to be hurt and nothing wrong with them. Thought it was Neymar wearing black.
You'd have to be very worried for any team that doesn't know to go down with an injury to run down black card. How many times would you see teams maybe concede 2/3/4 scores on the bounce then have someone lie down to kill any momentum and let the players reset. Every club up and down the country should know to do that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
If you are managing a team or a player and lost a player/teammate to a black card you'll expect players to take the piss, the ref is not a doctor, I'll take my advice from the medic.
The rule needs changing, it's being abused.
For me watching it on tv, there was numerous cards that should have been handed out, on both to be fair.
Hurson I think called the black card for the Kilcoo player, so all sorts were going on behind the ref's back.
Impossible game to ref
Yes, the time wasting during the black card is definitely a fault with the rule. Why the GAA have not introduced a stop clock to take time keeping away from the referee is beyond me at this stage. It would instantly prevent this infuriating tactic. That wasn't McQuillans fault since you can't prove that a player is feigning injury even if it became obvious that is what was happening.
However McQuillan is well known for constantly trying to even up his decisions during the course of a match. The Kilcoo penalty was not conclusively inside the box and it was similar to the Harry Kane one the previous night where you could argue the toss as to whether it was in or outside the box. I felt McQuillan would give it though shortly after black carding Devlin. Ward also benefited from McQuillans tendency to even things up. He got away with one on Mulholland before then feigning injury after he knew he could be in trouble.
It was a tough game to referee but most people would have predicted this before the match. There was no love lost between the 2 sides which made it an enthralling match in many respects.
Quote from: downtothecore on December 12, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
Kilcoo are no saints but some things I noticed just to level up
Warnock persistent holding and dragging of devlin but devlin gets black card.
Glenn lad was allowed to run across the eyeline of the kilcoo caretaker twice but nothing done by ref.
Glenn manager threw a second ball onto the field of play in the second half when kilcoo were on attack.
Jerome j taken out in mid air on 15 mins by Bradley also.
Quote from: Link on December 12, 2022, 05:32:05 PM
Watched it again there.
Both mulhollands were on the receiving end of a kilcoo players' boot yesterday.
Ward should have been off for the punch then tr**p on eunan.
It was a kick on cathal by no21 and not a trip. very dangerous tackle which should have been red not black.
The tights wearing Brannigan took 9 steps trying to take on convery then took a fall. that free ended up in kilcoo's goal.
Johnston also took a dive when running alongside warnock, slo mo made it look even worse. Some how it ended in a hop ball.
Black card should have been given for the pull down start of second half too. Glen's goal chance.
And how there wasn't a red for the full backs attempted tackles on bradley at the end? 2 or 3 punches to the gut.
I wouldn't have been too pleased in the ref's performance if i was from Glen.
ffs 🤣 any fouls the other way or did you just see what you wanted when you watched it again?
Quote from: charlieTully on December 12, 2022, 06:25:27 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on December 12, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
Kilcoo are no saints but some things I noticed just to level up
Warnock persistent holding and dragging of devlin but devlin gets black card.
Glenn lad was allowed to run across the eyeline of the kilcoo caretaker twice but nothing done by ref.
Glenn manager threw a second ball onto the field of play in the second half when kilcoo were on attack.
Jerome j taken out in mid air on 15 mins by Bradley also.
that was as dangerous as the pull down on Glass
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
If you are managing a team or a player and lost a player/teammate to a black card you'll expect players to take the piss, the ref is not a doctor, I'll take my advice from the medic.
The rule needs changing, it's being abused.
For me watching it on tv, there was numerous cards that should have been handed out, on both to be fair.
Hurson I think called the black card for the Kilcoo player, so all sorts were going on behind the ref's back.
Impossible game to ref
Yes, the time wasting during the black card is definitely a fault with the rule. Why the GAA have not introduced a stop clock to take time keeping away from the referee is beyond me at this stage. It would instantly prevent this infuriating tactic. That wasn't McQuillans fault since you can't prove that a player is feigning injury even if it became obvious that is what was happening.
However McQuillan is well known for constantly trying to even up his decisions during the course of a match. The Kilcoo penalty was not conclusively inside the box and it was similar to the Harry Kane one the previous night where you could argue the toss as to whether it was in or outside the box. I felt McQuillan would give it though shortly after black carding Devlin. Ward also benefited from McQuillans tendency to even things up. He got away with one on Mulholland before then feigning injury after he knew he could be in trouble.
It was a tough game to referee but most people would have predicted this before the match. There was no love lost between the 2 sides which made it an enthralling match in many respects.
For the penalty he consulted his umpires, it was on their direction that put the foul inside the box,
You talk some dung Sheedy
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
If you are managing a team or a player and lost a player/teammate to a black card you'll expect players to take the piss, the ref is not a doctor, I'll take my advice from the medic.
The rule needs changing, it's being abused.
For me watching it on tv, there was numerous cards that should have been handed out, on both to be fair.
Hurson I think called the black card for the Kilcoo player, so all sorts were going on behind the ref's back.
Impossible game to ref
Yes, the time wasting during the black card is definitely a fault with the rule. Why the GAA have not introduced a stop clock to take time keeping away from the referee is beyond me at this stage. It would instantly prevent this infuriating tactic. That wasn't McQuillans fault since you can't prove that a player is feigning injury even if it became obvious that is what was happening.
However McQuillan is well known for constantly trying to even up his decisions during the course of a match. The Kilcoo penalty was not conclusively inside the box and it was similar to the Harry Kane one the previous night where you could argue the toss as to whether it was in or outside the box. I felt McQuillan would give it though shortly after black carding Devlin. Ward also benefited from McQuillans tendency to even things up. He got away with one on Mulholland before then feigning injury after he knew he could be in trouble.
It was a tough game to referee but most people would have predicted this before the match. There was no love lost between the 2 sides which made it an enthralling match in many respects.
For the penalty he consulted his umpires, it was on their direction that put the foul inside the box,
Given the fact that the referee isn't mic'd up we don't really know what they said to him. Even if they did tell him that it was inside the box they would have seen it once in real time so they couldn't be sure when even slowed down replays proved inconclusive. But we know that most umpires are really just there helping out their mate and for the post match feed and a few pints anyway!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 12, 2022, 06:43:35 PM
You talk some dung Sheedy
I've never seen a winning team yap so much about a ref and the opposition. Enjoy the win ffs.
Though speaking about dung you're an expert in that 👌
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 12, 2022, 06:37:56 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 12, 2022, 06:25:27 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on December 12, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
Kilcoo are no saints but some things I noticed just to level up
Warnock persistent holding and dragging of devlin but devlin gets black card.
Glenn lad was allowed to run across the eyeline of the kilcoo caretaker twice but nothing done by ref.
Glenn manager threw a second ball onto the field of play in the second half when kilcoo were on attack.
Jerome j taken out in mid air on 15 mins by Bradley also.
that was as dangerous as the pull down on Glass
Those 2 incidents are not comparable. I'm assuming by 'pull down' you mean the deliberate clawing of his face by Wards hand/fingers. I don't know what the punishment is for such an offence by the rulebook but it is a filthy act to interfere with an opponents nose/eye. The Bradley tackle was late but it was at least a legitimate attempt to play the ball by Bradley even though he was late. It looked worse since Johnstones 2 feet were off the ground at the time and the damage was caused by the way he fell rather than the actual impact from Bradley. Dangerous but a yellow card for a mistimed tackle was correct. You're comparing apples with oranges here by equating those 2 incidents.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
If you are managing a team or a player and lost a player/teammate to a black card you'll expect players to take the piss, the ref is not a doctor, I'll take my advice from the medic.
The rule needs changing, it's being abused.
For me watching it on tv, there was numerous cards that should have been handed out, on both to be fair.
Hurson I think called the black card for the Kilcoo player, so all sorts were going on behind the ref's back.
Impossible game to ref
Yes, the time wasting during the black card is definitely a fault with the rule. Why the GAA have not introduced a stop clock to take time keeping away from the referee is beyond me at this stage. It would instantly prevent this infuriating tactic. That wasn't McQuillans fault since you can't prove that a player is feigning injury even if it became obvious that is what was happening.
However McQuillan is well known for constantly trying to even up his decisions during the course of a match. The Kilcoo penalty was not conclusively inside the box and it was similar to the Harry Kane one the previous night where you could argue the toss as to whether it was in or outside the box. I felt McQuillan would give it though shortly after black carding Devlin. Ward also benefited from McQuillans tendency to even things up. He got away with one on Mulholland before then feigning injury after he knew he could be in trouble.
It was a tough game to referee but most people would have predicted this before the match. There was no love lost between the 2 sides which made it an enthralling match in many respects.
For the penalty he consulted his umpires, it was on their direction that put the foul inside the box,
Given the fact that the referee isn't mic'd up we don't really know what they said to him. Even if they did tell him that it was inside the box they would have seen it once in real time so they couldn't be sure when even slowed down replays proved inconclusive. But we know that most umpires are really just there helping out their mate and for the post match feed and a few pints anyway!
Eh? Are you trying to be funny or is this actually an honest opinion of what you think?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
If you are managing a team or a player and lost a player/teammate to a black card you'll expect players to take the piss, the ref is not a doctor, I'll take my advice from the medic.
The rule needs changing, it's being abused.
For me watching it on tv, there was numerous cards that should have been handed out, on both to be fair.
Hurson I think called the black card for the Kilcoo player, so all sorts were going on behind the ref's back.
Impossible game to ref
Yes, the time wasting during the black card is definitely a fault with the rule. Why the GAA have not introduced a stop clock to take time keeping away from the referee is beyond me at this stage. It would instantly prevent this infuriating tactic. That wasn't McQuillans fault since you can't prove that a player is feigning injury even if it became obvious that is what was happening.
However McQuillan is well known for constantly trying to even up his decisions during the course of a match. The Kilcoo penalty was not conclusively inside the box and it was similar to the Harry Kane one the previous night where you could argue the toss as to whether it was in or outside the box. I felt McQuillan would give it though shortly after black carding Devlin. Ward also benefited from McQuillans tendency to even things up. He got away with one on Mulholland before then feigning injury after he knew he could be in trouble.
It was a tough game to referee but most people would have predicted this before the match. There was no love lost between the 2 sides which made it an enthralling match in many respects.
For the penalty he consulted his umpires, it was on their direction that put the foul inside the box,
Given the fact that the referee isn't mic'd up we don't really know what they said to him. Even if they did tell him that it was inside the box they would have seen it once in real time so they couldn't be sure when even slowed down replays proved inconclusive. But we know that most umpires are really just there helping out their mate and for the post match feed and a few pints anyway!
Eh? Are you trying to be funny or is this actually an honest opinion of what you think?
Which bit? The last sentence was a bit of sarcasm thrown in!
Oh forgot about conor glass shoving Daryl brannigan in face in second half. This was surprising as he sounded like a saint in twitter interview after it.
Good luck in Ai semi....
He was mic'd up from what I seen.. do with multiple watches on tv it's still inconclusive to you but the umpires are actually watching it, ref blew whistle and didn't give decision till he spoke to the umpires.
Believe it or not there actually is an umpire course, which helps them make the calls
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 07:08:14 PM
He was mic'd up from what I seen.. do with multiple watches on tv it's still inconclusive to you but the umpires are actually watching it, ref blew whistle and didn't give decision till he spoke to the umpires.
Believe it or not there actually is an umpire course, which helps them make the calls
I meant mic'd up for TV purposes a la rugby. I'm sure McQuillan was communicating with his officials during the match but no amount of classroom hours would have helped the umpires call that penalty decision conclusively from seeing it once in real time. Nor would I apportion any blame since you could argue the toss on the decision all day long.
Quote from: downtothecore on December 12, 2022, 07:05:03 PM
Oh forgot about conor glass shoving Daryl brannigan in face in second half. This was surprising as he sounded like a saint in twitter interview after it.
Good luck in Ai semi....
In the face..haha riiiiiight
Is it not time to extend the black card /sin bin to 15 minutes? 10 minutes is a farce. A goalkeeper tying his laces could eat up 2 or 3 minutes
15 minutes is a quarter of a club game . It's more of a punishment than 10 minutes
Quote from: yellowcard on December 12, 2022, 07:19:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2022, 07:08:14 PM
He was mic'd up from what I seen.. do with multiple watches on tv it's still inconclusive to you but the umpires are actually watching it, ref blew whistle and didn't give decision till he spoke to the umpires.
Believe it or not there actually is an umpire course, which helps them make the calls
I meant mic'd up for TV purposes a la rugby. I'm sure McQuillan was communicating with his officials during the match but no amount of classroom hours would have helped the umpires call that penalty decision conclusively from seeing it once in real time. Nor would I apportion any blame since you could argue the toss on the decision all day long.
So you want it mic's up to the camera/tv then have replays like TMO's
They either said he was in the box or not, if not, it's a free if it was it was a penalty, I'm struggling with your make believe refereeing and actual refereeing
Think that's the 8th Club from Derry to win an Ulster title, had gone through a bit of a barren spell when Cross were so strong, some good Derry club teams lost out.
Don't know about whether it a penalty or not, haven't looked bck on it, but it was a very silly tackle by Dougan.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 12, 2022, 08:16:43 PM
Don't know about whether it a penalty or not, haven't looked bck on it, but it was a very silly tackle by Dougan.
It was and could have been the turning point but Glen would have found a way as they just had the upper hand for most part of the game
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 12, 2022, 08:16:43 PM
Don't know about whether it a penalty or not, haven't looked bck on it, but it was a very silly tackle by Dougan.
I watched the replays a few times and it looked to be outside with the Kilcoo player falling into the square, the umpires couldnt have looked at it with any certainty and said it was a penalty
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 12, 2022, 07:37:28 PM
Is it not time to extend the black card /sin bin to 15 minutes? 10 minutes is a farce. A goalkeeper tying his laces could eat up 2 or 3 minutes
15 minutes is a quarter of a club game . It's more of a punishment than 10 minutes
scrap it completely, yellow or red.
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 12, 2022, 06:37:56 PM
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Quote from: downtothecore on December 12, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
Kilcoo are no saints but some things I noticed just to level up
Warnock persistent holding and dragging of devlin but devlin gets black card.
Glenn lad was allowed to run across the eyeline of the kilcoo caretaker twice but nothing done by ref.
Glenn manager threw a second ball onto the field of play in the second half when kilcoo were on attack.
Jerome j taken out in mid air on 15 mins by Bradley also.
that was as dangerous as the pull down on Glass
I know it is a different sport but in rugby terms that was a red card at the minimum a yellow (sin bin). You can't make contact with a player who is airborne. Player safety rule.
Not saying it is right but it just gives perspective on that type of challenge.
It's so rare you see those in GAA. I guess most times players are both coming from the same direction whereas obviously in rugby they're opposing. Bradley was genuinely angered it was a free ;D In saying that I don't think there was any intent there.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 08:37:36 AM
It's so rare you see those in GAA. I guess most times players are both coming from the same direction whereas obviously in rugby they're opposing. Bradley was genuinely angered it was a free ;D In saying that I don't think there was any intent there.
Yeah he missed timed it badly and a yellow only but he lost the plot thinking he didn't foul him!! Can you imagine dealing with that for every tackle? It's draining ;D
But as long as the armchair refs with the replays and slowing it down can have their say then all's good ;)
That was something that struck me about it too - the sincerity of boys holding their necks, heads etc and complaining to the ref when they hadn't even been touched near there. Hollywood stuff ;D
Are both AI semis in croker?
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
That was something that struck me about it too - the sincerity of boys holding their necks, heads etc and complaining to the ref when they hadn't even been touched near there. Hollywood stuff ;D
None of the ref's that I know and talk to are in favour of the just ten minutes regardless of injury periods within that, they all want 10 playing minutes, it would cut that shite out, that shite of throwing 2 balls on, there is only one playing ball, let play continue. Book or banish the one doing it too..
Time wasting was trying to be addressed at the world cup but wasn't popular, thought sometimes it was over the top, but unsure what way they were doing it, or how they were recording it
Why have these semi finals being done in the New Year while the hurling goes ahead this weekend?
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 12, 2022, 06:37:56 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 12, 2022, 06:25:27 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on December 12, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
Kilcoo are no saints but some things I noticed just to level up
Warnock persistent holding and dragging of devlin but devlin gets black card.
Glenn lad was allowed to run across the eyeline of the kilcoo caretaker twice but nothing done by ref.
Glenn manager threw a second ball onto the field of play in the second half when kilcoo were on attack.
Jerome j taken out in mid air on 15 mins by Bradley also.
that was as dangerous as the pull down on Glass
Don't think so. He was going hard for the ball and would never expect a player to pull out of a situation like that. No dirt in it. Probably doesn't help that Bradley is twice the size of him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
That was something that struck me about it too - the sincerity of boys holding their necks, heads etc and complaining to the ref when they hadn't even been touched near there. Hollywood stuff ;D
Been saying this for ages- anyone going down holding their head or causing the game to be stopped for a head injury- automatic 10 minutes off for assessment. Soon cut that shite out
They should not be in croker.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2022, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
That was something that struck me about it too - the sincerity of boys holding their necks, heads etc and complaining to the ref when they hadn't even been touched near there. Hollywood stuff ;D
Been saying this for ages- anyone going down holding their head or causing the game to be stopped for a head injury- automatic 10 minutes off for assessment. Soon cut that shite out
The problem will be the one time it results in a medical issue and the ref will be blamed for not stopping the game, all fine and dandy saying that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2022, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2022, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
That was something that struck me about it too - the sincerity of boys holding their necks, heads etc and complaining to the ref when they hadn't even been touched near there. Hollywood stuff ;D
Been saying this for ages- anyone going down holding their head or causing the game to be stopped for a head injury- automatic 10 minutes off for assessment. Soon cut that shite out
The problem will be the one time it results in a medical issue and the ref will be blamed for not stopping the game, all fine and dandy saying that
Stop the game surely if a player is claiming a head injury but the player has to go off for treatment/assessment. Lads will think twice about faking
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2022, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2022, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2022, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
That was something that struck me about it too - the sincerity of boys holding their necks, heads etc and complaining to the ref when they hadn't even been touched near there. Hollywood stuff ;D
Been saying this for ages- anyone going down holding their head or causing the game to be stopped for a head injury- automatic 10 minutes off for assessment. Soon cut that shite out
The problem will be the one time it results in a medical issue and the ref will be blamed for not stopping the game, all fine and dandy saying that
Stop the game surely if a player is claiming a head injury but the player has to go off for treatment/assessment. Lads will think twice about faking
Not a doctor but moving someone with a head injury doesn't seem logical?
Not when there damn all wrong with them, teams only have a physio on the sideline, not a doctor, how are they to determine a head injury?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2022, 09:52:33 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2022, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2022, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2022, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
That was something that struck me about it too - the sincerity of boys holding their necks, heads etc and complaining to the ref when they hadn't even been touched near there. Hollywood stuff ;D
Been saying this for ages- anyone going down holding their head or causing the game to be stopped for a head injury- automatic 10 minutes off for assessment. Soon cut that shite out
The problem will be the one time it results in a medical issue and the ref will be blamed for not stopping the game, all fine and dandy saying that
Stop the game surely if a player is claiming a head injury but the player has to go off for treatment/assessment. Lads will think twice about faking
Not a doctor but moving someone with a head injury doesn't seem logical?
Do they usually lie there all day lol?
We all know they were taking the piss, but personally I'm making that assessment if I'm being honest, they usually have a physio and I've seen doctors there also at times..
The rule needs changing, that's all, hopefully more exposure of that incident will push it forward.. I could not understand the logic of it tbh when it first came out, as it was set up to be abused.
Its also best to wait until the guy gets up from 'injury' before addressing the player with the black card, think that happened on Sunday, not sure
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 13, 2022, 10:30:01 AM
Not when there damn all wrong with them, teams only have a physio on the sideline, not a doctor, how are they to determine a head injury?
You're on dodgy ground though. What if they actually do have a head injury and something goes wrong?
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 13, 2022, 10:30:01 AM
Not when there damn all wrong with them, teams only have a physio on the sideline, not a doctor, how are they to determine a head injury?
You're on dodgy ground though. What if they actually do have a head injury and something goes wrong?
Stop the game surely but don't let them play on if they decide they're fine. Make them go off for 10 mins
Yeah that might be a sensible way alright. You wouldn't want to put people off with a genuine head injury though.
Maybe have independent medical staff at big games. No ducking about then, honest assessment and if a player is fit to continue and has been play acting then give them a yellow.
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2022, 11:23:39 AM
Maybe have independent medical staff at big games. No ducking about then, honest assessment and if a player is fit to continue and has been play acting then give them a yellow.
so a player gets a genuine blow to the head, goes down and after bit of treatment is ok to continue, you think then give him him a yellow because it wasn't serious enough to force him off? Who judges the play acting? How long does the honest assessment take?
Massive can of worms. Remember they tried to start it in the soccer years ago with Edu from arsenal and had to retract it within a week.
There already exists a very simple solution - introduction of the stop clock. The player sin binned misses 10 minutes of actual playing time and it will immediately cut out all this time wasting and feigning injury.
It's not that simple. If you keep breaking up the play the opposition can't get any momentum.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 12:06:23 PM
It's not that simple. If you keep breaking up the play the opposition can't get any momentum.
I will almost guarantee it will immediately cut out a lot of the nonsense. At the minute there is a huge incentive to run down the clock when a player is in the bin. It works perfectly well in the ladies game.
Just change the rule, 10mins playing time, seeing it now in hurling with players pulling off their helmets (no jokes) after a hit.
It can't just be used in 'big' games, it needs to be deployed across the board. two watches, most ref's use two anyways, any games that have lines men or umpires they generally ask one to do the sin bin clock, and someone to match their watch with the ref. Timing isn't usually an issue.
Maybe sinbin a time waster would help, as its the last part of the game it happens in, be a good few keepers finding the line for a lot of games lol
Even for a doctor, tt's impossible to determine whether a head injury is significant on a football pitch. Most are faking it, but there could always be the one genuine injury that would be missed. 10 mins off (a sub allowed) would seem a reasonable deterrent.
Agree that it should be 10 mins playing time for a black card, but the distinction between yellow and black is absurd; keep the yellow, and 10 mins on the sidelines.
The foul on J Johnson was v dangerous, even if there was no intent, should have been a red; as in rugby, players are responsible for the safety of the opposition.Rushing in at high speed is always likely to cause injury.
I greatly admire Kilcoo, just wish they would stop cheating and diving; that was never a part of GAA culture (before Tyrone)
Quote from: befair on December 13, 2022, 12:46:22 PM
Even for a doctor, tt's impossible to determine whether a head injury is significant on a football pitch. Most are faking it, but there could always be the one genuine injury that would be missed. 10 mins off (a sub allowed) would seem a reasonable deterrent.
Agree that it should be 10 mins playing time for a black card, but the distinction between yellow and black is absurd; keep the yellow, and 10 mins on the sidelines.
The foul on J Johnson was v dangerous, even if there was no intent, should have been a red; as in rugby, players are responsible for the safety of the opposition.Rushing in at high speed is always likely to cause injury.
I greatly admire Kilcoo, just wish they would stop cheating and diving; that was never a part of GAA culture (before Tyrone)
Holy ghost, as the boys from the loughshore would say.
Quote from: Link on December 13, 2022, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: befair on December 13, 2022, 12:46:22 PM
Even for a doctor, tt's impossible to determine whether a head injury is significant on a football pitch. Most are faking it, but there could always be the one genuine injury that would be missed. 10 mins off (a sub allowed) would seem a reasonable deterrent.
Agree that it should be 10 mins playing time for a black card, but the distinction between yellow and black is absurd; keep the yellow, and 10 mins on the sidelines.
The foul on J Johnson was v dangerous, even if there was no intent, should have been a red; as in rugby, players are responsible for the safety of the opposition.Rushing in at high speed is always likely to cause injury.
I greatly admire Kilcoo, just wish they would stop cheating and diving; that was never a part of GAA culture (before Tyrone)
Holy ghost, as the boys from the loughshore would say.
Are we entirely sure it was a foul, never mind a red?
I thought he went to contest a high ball as midfielder do, Johnson had it well covered, took possession and Bradley connected late in the air. If he was trying to contest it, he been best to tackle when Johnson came down. It was a yellow card no more,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 13, 2022, 01:58:18 PM
I thought he went to contest a high ball as midfielder do, Johnson had it well covered, took possession and Bradley connected late in the air. If he was trying to contest it, he been best to tackle when Johnson came down. It was a yellow card no more,
He missed timed it, the fall unprotected can be dangerous, but a yellow and move on, the theatrics though by Bradley was over the top, its a foul, hands up take the yellow, get back into position, getting on as if he was being sent to his death was funny
Why is the game stopped for a head injury when it isn't stopped for any other type of injury?
Is that a serious question?
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2022, 02:26:55 PM
Why is the game stopped for a head injury when it isn't stopped for any other type of injury?
Lol hope you dont work as a triage nurse in a&e Keyser ;D
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 13, 2022, 11:35:21 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2022, 11:23:39 AM
Maybe have independent medical staff at big games. No ducking about then, honest assessment and if a player is fit to continue and has been play acting then give them a yellow.
so a player gets a genuine blow to the head, goes down and after bit of treatment is ok to continue, you think then give him him a yellow because it wasn't serious enough to force him off? Who judges the play acting? How long does the honest assessment take?
Aye that's exactly what I said ::)
If someone receives a genuine head injury, chances are they'll need to go off anyway to either get bandaged up and/or checked for concussion.
I think this sledging and feigning injury that has come into football has got a little bit out of hand.
The fact that it is clearly if not being directly coached, but encouraged is even more worrying.
For what it is worth I thought Sunday's game was up there with any in terms of intensity something you generally only see in Ulster Club games.
Any of The Glen or Derry ones, might be able to answer, but when did the club make the decision to move away from their own membership and turn to an outsider to manage the club?
Would have been some achievement to post all their pictures on social media of the successful team across their journey with their own men standing with them on their biggest day.
A club who had never won a senior county title now has two to it's name and champions of Ulster. Maybe it took an outside management team to harness this at senior level and get the optimum return from a clearly talented group.
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 13, 2022, 11:35:21 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2022, 11:23:39 AM
Maybe have independent medical staff at big games. No ducking about then, honest assessment and if a player is fit to continue and has been play acting then give them a yellow.
so a player gets a genuine blow to the head, goes down and after bit of treatment is ok to continue, you think then give him him a yellow because it wasn't serious enough to force him off? Who judges the play acting? How long does the honest assessment take?
Aye that's exactly what I said ::)
If someone receives a genuine head injury, chances are they'll need to go off anyway to either get bandaged up and/or checked for concussion.
who decides it isn't genuine? How long does the assessment take? Is it an on field assessment? At which point are you deciding to give a yellow card? Does player welfare have an impact on the decision?
Sounds like it's well thought out 🙄
Quote from: NAG1 on December 13, 2022, 03:33:46 PM
I think this sledging and feigning injury that has come into football has got a little bit out of hand.
The fact that it is clearly if not being directly coached, but encouraged is even more worrying.
For what it is worth I thought Sunday's game was up there with any in terms of intensity something you generally only see in Ulster Club games.
Any of The Glen or Derry ones, might be able to answer, but when did the club make the decision to move away from their own membership and turn to an outsider to manage the club?
Would have been some achievement to post all their pictures on social media of the successful team across their journey with their own men standing with them on their biggest day.
I don't think Glen would be where they are today without taking in an outside manager. O'Rourke's CV is excellent. Takes the best managers to bring teams to that next level, Kilcoo wouldn't have won an AI without Moran.
Quote from: bannside on December 13, 2022, 03:45:51 PM
A club who had never won a senior county title now has two to it's name and champions of Ulster. Maybe it took an outside management team to harness this at senior level and get the optimum return from a clearly talented group.
Glen have had outside managers before O'Rourke for sure.
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 13, 2022, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 13, 2022, 03:45:51 PM
A club who had never won a senior county title now has two to it's name and champions of Ulster. Maybe it took an outside management team to harness this at senior level and get the optimum return from a clearly talented group.
Glen have had outside managers before O'Rourke for sure.
The current crop of players haven't had a manager from outside Derry before O'Rourke I don't think.
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 13, 2022, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 13, 2022, 03:45:51 PM
A club who had never won a senior county title now has two to it's name and champions of Ulster. Maybe it took an outside management team to harness this at senior level and get the optimum return from a clearly talented group.
Glen have had outside managers before O'Rourke for sure.
From memory they had Charlie Sweeny managing them back in the late 80's/ early 90s ( he was one of the first outside managers that I recall in Derry Club football)
Does anyone know if the semi finals are both in Croker ?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 13, 2022, 07:37:24 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 13, 2022, 06:05:08 PM
Does anyone know if the semi finals are both in Croker ?
Given that the club SHC semi finals are in Croke Park, you'd expect the football to be the same but the main GAA website still has both football semi-finals as "Venue TBC".
Crokes have played a couple games there already?
Quote from: screenexile on December 13, 2022, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 13, 2022, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 13, 2022, 03:45:51 PM
A club who had never won a senior county title now has two to it's name and champions of Ulster. Maybe it took an outside management team to harness this at senior level and get the optimum return from a clearly talented group.
Glen have had outside managers before O'Rourke for sure.
They had Jude Donnelly from 2018-2020 and Mickey Culbert before that for a few years. In between them 2 was Enda Gormley for 3 years
The current crop of players haven't had a manager from outside Derry before O'Rourke I don't think.
Having watched match last night, how the full back from kilcoo didn't get sent off towards the end of the game. 4 or 5 punches and neither ref or linesman seen it or chose to see it!!. and these are suppose to be best officials around!!
Is premium level opened for AI club semis or finals?
Yes but I don't think the boxes are
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/down/kilcoos-paul-devlin-hails-the-legacy-of-conleith-gilligan-and-richard-thornton-after-pairs-shock-departure-from-club-42236315.html
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/danny-tallon-declares-glen-mentally-and-physically-ready-for-moycullen-showdown-in-all-ireland-semi-finals-42265679.html
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https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/danny-tallon-declares-glen-mentally-and-physically-ready-for-moycullen-showdown-in-all-ireland-semi-finals-42265679.html
Would like to see Glen win but the Galway lads wont be pushed around, should be another tight affair
There is always a wall of money on Derry teams . Euphoria isn't the half of it.
NFL Division Two 2022
https://mobile.twitter.com/Wommando/status/1519587793198096384
To be promoted
Galway 8/11
Derry 6/4
Meath 6/4
Cork 7/4
Roscommon 3/1
Connacht teams tend to be ignored until the ball is thrown in.
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Quote from: seafoid on January 06, 2023, 07:15:24 AM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/danny-tallon-declares-glen-mentally-and-physically-ready-for-moycullen-showdown-in-all-ireland-semi-finals-42265679.html
Would like to see Glen win but the Galway lads wont be pushed around, should be another tight affair
I've been told by a reputable source that this interview never took place. How can reporters be allowed to make stuff like this up?
Derry in general at all levels have a very bad run against Galway teams. Never understood why, hopefully Glen can break the trend but if they were beat, it would not surprise me.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 06, 2023, 09:17:41 PM
Derry in general at all levels have a very bad run against Galway teams. Never understood why, hopefully Glen Dan break the trend but if they were beat it would not surprise me.
I think it's because you need a particular style to win in Ulster and Galway teams play a different style. The Comer counterattacking goal in the semi last year was a good example. Derry were foostering with the ball towards the goal but their accuracy was poor. Galway recuperated the ball . The goalie was awol. 2 moves and the ball was in the net
Keeper went walkies there, got lucky
What porter do today. Glen should of won that game by more
HAVE!!!!!
Wan minute we rowin about Irish. Next minute its the English. Hard to keep up round here 😃😃
Quote from: Moonshine on January 08, 2023, 04:54:33 PM
What porter do today. Glen should of won that game by more
Porter
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2023, 06:20:15 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on January 08, 2023, 04:54:33 PM
What porter do today. Glen should of won that game by more
Porter
Probably pointed out how Gough was being very sore on Glen I imagine and it didn't go down well. Gough is prob the best ref in the country but seemed to take a dislike to Glen today for some reason and gave a few dodgy decisions in the Galway direction
Gough was the best in the business up until about 3 years ago
Al about 'me' these days
Horrible ref, how he reffed the NFL game in the athletic grounds last year (Arm v Tyr) was borderline narcissistic.
Quote from: God14 on January 08, 2023, 08:13:16 PM
Gough was the best in the business up until about 3 years ago
Al about 'me' these days
Horrible ref, how he reffed the NFL game in the athletic grounds last year (Arm v Tyr) was borderline narcissistic.
Only good game he ever had ;). Na in all seriousness he should never have been allowed back after that shitshow.
It's hard to know.
1. One way of looking it is as the debutant at this level playing the team who had been here and done it before. The naivety factor.
2. Another is the traditional apprenticeship followed by Kilcoo and Kilmacud . Lose one to get the experience and win the following year. But they might not get out of Ulster again.
3.But other teams have won at the first attempt eg Caltra. Could be the momentum
4. This would require Kilmacud to arse it up.
5. Malachy O'Rourke is a class act. In-game management will be very important.
It looks like Gough has got a bit carried away with his 'celebrity' status. The best referees are often the ones you don't notice on the pitch. His performances have increasingly been more about himself than about the players on the pitch.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 09, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
It looks like Gough has got a bit carried away with his 'celebrity' status. The best referees are often the ones you don't notice on the pitch. His performances have increasingly been more about himself than about the players on the pitch.
I've always been intrigued by this comment of "all about me" Explain that for me?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 09, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
It looks like Gough has got a bit carried away with his 'celebrity' status. The best referees are often the ones you don't notice on the pitch. His performances have increasingly been more about himself than about the players on the pitch.
I've always been intrigued by this comment of "all about me" Explain that for me?
A ref who wants to be involved in the game. A good ref should be happy to let a game play and if it's a fair game, have little involvement in the game.
I personally thought the ref was very sore on Glen.
Glen the better side overall, that first 15 mins were sublime.
However, they almost conspired to beat themselves with the faffing around in defence on some of the kickouts in the second half.
They did get cleaned out at MF for long spells of the game but defence was really strong and the transition from defence to attack was generally impressive.
They will be very hard to beat, though, you still have to fancy Kilmacud as they have the experience. Just.
The press on the the Glen kickouts is probably a tactic that will be re-used in the final, so it will be interesting to see how MOR counteracts that.
Good game though.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 09, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
It looks like Gough has got a bit carried away with his 'celebrity' status. The best referees are often the ones you don't notice on the pitch. His performances have increasingly been more about himself than about the players on the pitch.
I've always been intrigued by this comment of "all about me" Explain that for me?
From my perspective the "all about me" referees put less value on consistency and the application of rules, and focus instead on context. So they'll weight how they wave cards according to the player and teams involved, and the current score line. So they'll ignore or highlight off the ball stuff to help ensure a team doesn't pull away. So one team can commit anything up to GBH in pursuit of a comeback, but the other gets blown up for everything.
It a natural enough thing for a human to do I suppose. But it's wrong.
I don't mind it (indeed I prefer it) when refs have a liberal interpretation of the rule book. I like to watch hard hitting football. But it has to be allowed to play equally hard in both direction.
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 09:13:32 AM
It's hard to know.
1. One way of looking it is as the debutant at this level playing the team who had been here and done it before. The naivety factor.
2. Another is the traditional apprenticeship followed by Kilcoo and Kilmacud . Lose one to get the experience and win the following year. But they might not get out of Ulster again.
3.But other teams have won at the first attempt eg Caltra. Could be the momentum
4. This would require Kilmacud to arse it up.
5. Malachy O'Rourke is a class act. In-game management will be very important.
they arsed it up last year
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 09, 2023, 10:33:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 09, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
It looks like Gough has got a bit carried away with his 'celebrity' status. The best referees are often the ones you don't notice on the pitch. His performances have increasingly been more about himself than about the players on the pitch.
I've always been intrigued by this comment of "all about me" Explain that for me?
A ref who wants to be involved in the game. A good ref should be happy to let a game play and if it's a fair game, have little involvement in the game.
Ah letting the game flow? Then what about all the fouls....
And that's a big IF its a fair game, these are high stakes games, they ain't your under 12 game down at the pitch, every player is there to stretch the rules as much as they can to get an advantage, you have played I assume and from that you would have stretched the rules and therefore tried to gain any advantage you could get, Unfortunately the ref will apply the rules as he see's it. sometimes they get it wrong.
I noticed yesterday from Glen there was a few times the ball was moved to a better position, due to mouthing to the ref, and the ref also, it seemed had to send someone from Glen to the stands.. If someone or a collective is constantly mouthing its very difficult to control, yesterdays game will have brought an intensity to it, though a lot less than the Ulster final which was crazy at times.
All in all I didn't think he 'kept' MC in the game, the frees that were given away may have seem soft but stop pulling tops
And yes he didn't give certain frees that I seen with the camera angle we had, only he knows why that call wasn't give, and its not to have everyone talking about him, they guy goes to work the next day, listening to people run you down isn't a good feeling, you'd need to be twisted to have that as something you get off on
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:47:54 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 09, 2023, 10:33:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 09, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
It looks like Gough has got a bit carried away with his 'celebrity' status. The best referees are often the ones you don't notice on the pitch. His performances have increasingly been more about himself than about the players on the pitch.
I've always been intrigued by this comment of "all about me" Explain that for me?
A ref who wants to be involved in the game. A good ref should be happy to let a game play and if it's a fair game, have little involvement in the game.
Ah letting the game flow? Then what about all the fouls....
And that's a big IF its a fair game, these are high stakes games, they ain't your under 12 game down at the pitch, every player is there to stretch the rules as much as they can to get an advantage, you have played I assume and from that you would have stretched the rules and therefore tried to gain any advantage you could get, Unfortunately the ref will apply the rules as he see's it. sometimes they get it wrong.
I noticed yesterday from Glen there was a few times the ball was moved to a better position, due to mouthing to the ref, and the ref also, it seemed had to send someone from Glen to the stands.. If someone or a collective is constantly mouthing its very difficult to control, yesterdays game will have brought an intensity to it, though a lot less than the Ulster final which was crazy at times.
All in all I didn't think he 'kept' MC in the game, the frees that were given away may have seem soft but stop pulling tops
And yes he didn't give certain frees that I seen with the camera angle we had, only he knows why that call wasn't give, and its not to have everyone talking about him, they guy goes to work the next day, listening to people run you down isn't a good feeling, you'd need to be twisted to have that as something you get off on
Sure you need to be twisted altogether to be a ref in the first place ;). Ah look at the end of the day he's human and is looking at it live, we could watch something here from 5 angles 5 times each and in slow motion and still not agree on a call. All we can ask is consistency.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 09, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
It looks like Gough has got a bit carried away with his 'celebrity' status. The best referees are often the ones you don't notice on the pitch. His performances have increasingly been more about himself than about the players on the pitch.
I've always been intrigued by this comment of "all about me" Explain that for me?
From my perspective the "all about me" referees put less value on consistency and the application of rules, and focus instead on context. So they'll weight how they wave cards according to the player and teams involved, and the current score line. So they'll ignore or highlight off the ball stuff to help ensure a team doesn't pull away. So one team can commit anything up to GBH in pursuit of a comeback, but the other gets blown up for everything.
It a natural enough thing for a human to do I suppose. But it's wrong.
I don't mind it (indeed I prefer it) when refs have a liberal interpretation of the rule book. I like to watch hard hitting football. But it has to be allowed to play equally hard in both direction.
This is make believe stuff, so you actually think a ref goes out there to control the scoreline to have a tight finish and actually a harder game to manage?
Ok here's the reality, a referee wants to go out there and for one team to be so far in front that he has no worries on, extra time 'dodgy' calls that may swing the game, heated exchanges over every tackle and disputing every decision?
but have it tight because that's the natural thing to do? Wow that is some strange call
Then you go on and want a more liberal approach were players can blatter each other but as long as both teams get a crack at it then play on?
For starters it aint the 70's, these games are watched on tv/social media and the lads that do the games are assessed during the game by someone in the stands, anything that he missed will not have been missed by the assessors, he'll be emailed a report and he'll have to reflect on that afterwards. accountability is there, its down to the chair or the refs to review these things an appoint refs there after. This is want I assume happens btw
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:47:54 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 09, 2023, 10:33:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 09, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
It looks like Gough has got a bit carried away with his 'celebrity' status. The best referees are often the ones you don't notice on the pitch. His performances have increasingly been more about himself than about the players on the pitch.
I've always been intrigued by this comment of "all about me" Explain that for me?
A ref who wants to be involved in the game. A good ref should be happy to let a game play and if it's a fair game, have little involvement in the game.
Ah letting the game flow? Then what about all the fouls....
And that's a big IF its a fair game, these are high stakes games, they ain't your under 12 game down at the pitch, every player is there to stretch the rules as much as they can to get an advantage, you have played I assume and from that you would have stretched the rules and therefore tried to gain any advantage you could get, Unfortunately the ref will apply the rules as he see's it. sometimes they get it wrong.
I noticed yesterday from Glen there was a few times the ball was moved to a better position, due to mouthing to the ref, and the ref also, it seemed had to send someone from Glen to the stands.. If someone or a collective is constantly mouthing its very difficult to control, yesterdays game will have brought an intensity to it, though a lot less than the Ulster final which was crazy at times.
All in all I didn't think he 'kept' MC in the game, the frees that were given away may have seem soft but stop pulling tops
And yes he didn't give certain frees that I seen with the camera angle we had, only he knows why that call wasn't give, and its not to have everyone talking about him, they guy goes to work the next day, listening to people run you down isn't a good feeling, you'd need to be twisted to have that as something you get off on
I never said don't call frees? Call the frees consistently. But if there is few and game is flowing be happy you're not involved. Don't lower the threshold for a foul just so you can blow your whistle. I get it that you're a ref, and take criticism of refs personally on here. Maybe you feel there's no such thing as a ref that loves to have an impact on a game. I'd disagree.
*And I don't mean in an underhand way supporting one team over the other, but rather a need to be over involved.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 09, 2023, 10:44:51 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 09:13:32 AM
It's hard to know.
1. One way of looking it is as the debutant at this level playing the team who had been here and done it before. The naivety factor.
2. Another is the traditional apprenticeship followed by Kilcoo and Kilmacud . Lose one to get the experience and win the following year. But they might not get out of Ulster again.
3.But other teams have won at the first attempt eg Caltra. Could be the momentum
4. This would require Kilmacud to arse it up.
5. Malachy O'Rourke is a class act. In-game management will be very important.
they arsed it up last year
It could be a factor again, depending on how Wattys set up
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 09:13:32 AM
It's hard to know.
1. One way of looking it is as the debutant at this level playing the team who had been here and done it before. The naivety factor.
2. Another is the traditional apprenticeship followed by Kilcoo and Kilmacud . Lose one to get the experience and win the following year. But they might not get out of Ulster again.
3.But other teams have won at the first attempt eg Caltra. Could be the momentum
4. This would require Kilmacud to arse it up.
5. Malachy O'Rourke is a class act. In-game management will be very important.
Not necessarily. Could make an argument that Glen have the better players. They tend to almost arse things up for themselves though at times.
The whole 'win one to lose one' is a load of bollix. Glen have the players and if they're not overawed by the occasion they'll be fine. The fact that the semis were in CP levels it a bit as playing on a stadium that is 1/4 full can be weird if you have never done it before.
If Glen can minimise the possession to Walsh they have a real good chance. To do that they need to clog the middle sector. They will do that and have the fitness to stay with KC. I think they will do it
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 09, 2023, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 09:13:32 AM
It's hard to know.
1. One way of looking it is as the debutant at this level playing the team who had been here and done it before. The naivety factor.
2. Another is the traditional apprenticeship followed by Kilcoo and Kilmacud . Lose one to get the experience and win the following year. But they might not get out of Ulster again.
3.But other teams have won at the first attempt eg Caltra. Could be the momentum
4. This would require Kilmacud to arse it up.
5. Malachy O'Rourke is a class act. In-game management will be very important.
Not necessarily. Could make an argument that Glen have the better players. They tend to almost arse things up for themselves though at times.
I am not convinced Glen have better players than KC. If they win this I think i will take good tactics to do it. KC have some very good players in there. (So do Glen and they both have some excellent players but I definitely don't think they have better players).
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 10, 2023, 09:36:08 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 09, 2023, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 09:13:32 AM
It's hard to know.
1. One way of looking it is as the debutant at this level playing the team who had been here and done it before. The naivety factor.
2. Another is the traditional apprenticeship followed by Kilcoo and Kilmacud . Lose one to get the experience and win the following year. But they might not get out of Ulster again.
3.But other teams have won at the first attempt eg Caltra. Could be the momentum
4. This would require Kilmacud to arse it up.
5. Malachy O'Rourke is a class act. In-game management will be very important.
Not necessarily. Could make an argument that Glen have the better players. They tend to almost arse things up for themselves though at times.
I am not convinced Glen have better players than KC. If they win this I think i will take good tactics to do it. KC have some very good players in there. (So do Glen and they both have some excellent players but I definitely don't think they have better players).
Neither am I necessarily. I just said you could make the argument, which I think is valid. I just don't agree that for Glen to win Kilmacud have to arse it up. I think Glen have the ability and tactics to win on their own accord.
Thought Glen were cleaned out in the MF area v Moycullen, their speed attacking is frightening but if they are starved of the ball they will struggle. The messing about from the keeper/ trying to play it out cooly nearly backfired numerous times and did cost them a couple of points, I'd say KC will expose that more ruthlessly. As much as I'd love to see Glen winning I think KC will win with a few to spare.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 10, 2023, 12:07:32 PM
Thought Glen were cleaned out in the MF area v Moycullen, their speed attacking is frightening but if they are starved of the ball they will struggle. The messing about from the keeper/ trying to play it out cooly nearly backfired numerous times and did cost them a couple of points, I'd say KC will expose that more ruthlessly. As much as I'd love to see Glen winning I think KC will win with a few to spare.
Our star midfielder had the flu in the lead up to the game. This was clearly evident where we had to mix up our kickouts.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 10, 2023, 09:56:54 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 10, 2023, 09:36:08 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 09, 2023, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2023, 09:13:32 AM
It's hard to know.
1. One way of looking it is as the debutant at this level playing the team who had been here and done it before. The naivety factor.
2. Another is the traditional apprenticeship followed by Kilcoo and Kilmacud . Lose one to get the experience and win the following year. But they might not get out of Ulster again.
3.But other teams have won at the first attempt eg Caltra. Could be the momentum
4. This would require Kilmacud to arse it up.
5. Malachy O'Rourke is a class act. In-game management will be very important.
Not necessarily. Could make an argument that Glen have the better players. They tend to almost arse things up for themselves though at times.
I am not convinced Glen have better players than KC. If they win this I think i will take good tactics to do it. KC have some very good players in there. (So do Glen and they both have some excellent players but I definitely don't think they have better players).
Neither am I necessarily. I just said you could make the argument, which I think is valid. I just don't agree that for Glen to win Kilmacud have to arse it up. I think Glen have the ability and tactics to win on their own accord.
I agree on the KC arsing it up thing too. Glen are a good team and have every chance of winning this. I just think KC are stronger but with O"Rourke and tactics that could swing it for Glen.
I think Walter, Glen struggled with the very tall half forwards which took alot of ball round Midfield
Glen had a real problem gaining possession from their own kick outs when Mayocullen pushed up on them.
When the short wasnt on, they struggled to win the long kickout over the much larger middle third players.
Derry are a bit like this too.
If KC do the same, and I'd expect them to, then Glen will struggle to gain primary possession from their own kickouts and may be forced to count on turnovers.
It's a tough game to call.
On the face of it, I'd say KC have a slight edge. But Glen have really good players and probably the top manager in the country at club level (and maybe even county level).
I'll sit on the fence on this and say its a 50-50 game.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 12, 2023, 02:00:13 PM
Glen had a real problem gaining possession from their own kick outs when Mayocullen pushed up on them.
When the short wasnt on, they struggled to win the long kickout over the much larger middle third players.
Derry are a bit like this too.
If KC do the same, and I'd expect them to, then Glen will struggle to gain primary possession from their own kickouts and may be forced to count on turnovers.
It's a tough game to call.
On the face of it, I'd say KC have a slight edge. But Glen have really good players and probably the top manager in the country at club level (and maybe even county level).
I'll sit on the fence on this and say its a 50-50 game.
For a top manager, what was his kick out strategy? Why have your keeper kick it into a 50/50 area and in the last game lose possession there a lot?
If u watch some of those contests Glass was jumping with 1 up and 2 waiting, so where were the 2 other Glen lads.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 12, 2023, 02:00:13 PM
Glen had a real problem gaining possession from their own kick outs when Mayocullen pushed up on them.
When the short wasnt on, they struggled to win the long kickout over the much larger middle third players.
Derry are a bit like this too.
If KC do the same, and I'd expect them to, then Glen will struggle to gain primary possession from their own kickouts and may be forced to count on turnovers.
It's a tough game to call.
On the face of it, I'd say KC have a slight edge. But Glen have really good players and probably the top manager in the country at club level (and maybe even county level).
I'll sit on the fence on this and say its a 50-50 game.
Mayocullen is the love child of Cora Staunton and Leinster Rugby
Ulster Senior Club draw 23
Prelim 4/5 November
Fermanagh v Down
Q/Fs 11/12 November
(B) Derry v Antrim (Celtic Park)
(C) Cavan v Donegal (Breffni)
(D) Tyrone v Armagh (Omagh)
(E) Monaghan v Ferm/Down (Newry if Down, Clones if Ferm)
S/Fs 25/26 Nov
B v C
D v E
Final 9/10 December
Cross' didn't do so well in Omagh in recent years.
I wonder what odds you would get with PP for a Glen V Kilcoo final.
Lavey v st Bridgids would be an interesting first round game
Set up for a Kilcoo Glen final
hopefully not we dont want club turning into intercounty football with a few teams winning
Teams need to up their game then! Diluting the game for 'change' doesn't make sense.
You want the best team's winning
Quote from: Eire90 on September 13, 2023, 02:29:25 AM
hopefully not we dont want club turning into intercounty football with a few teams winning
Aye 'cos Kilcoo (population < 2,000) and Glen (population <10,000) are two obvious behemoths that are dominating their poor wee competitors who have no hope of ever competing against parishes and clubs of that size. ???
Its not a parallel with Dublin (having approximately 20% of the island's population).
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PM
Set up for a Kilcoo Glen final
Not giving your own county champions much hope
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PM
Set up for a Kilcoo Glen final
Not giving your own county champions much hope
As in they won't meet themselves earlier should they get to the final. But you knew that?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2023, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PM
Set up for a Kilcoo Glen final
Not giving your own county champions much hope
As in they won't meet themselves earlier should they get to the final. But you knew that?
As in none of them two of them will get beat before the final, meaning you're not giving anyone they play much hope. but you knew that?
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2023, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PM
Set up for a Kilcoo Glen final
Not giving your own county champions much hope
As in they won't meet themselves earlier should they get to the final. But you knew that?
As in none of them two of them will get beat before the final, meaning you're not giving anyone they play much hope. but you knew that?
Whatever, see what you want and twist it accordingly.
Think Crosserlough are well equipped to do well in Ulster if James Smith is fit.
It has a Kilcoo V Glen final written all over it.
Quote from: ck on September 13, 2023, 11:43:06 AM
It has a Kilcoo V Glen final written all over it.
Errigal ciaran IF they get thru Tyrone might have different ideas
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Errigal Ciaran have pedigree in Ulster so they have the best opportunity for a Tyrone team to do 'well' in the Club championship
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Clonoe, too good to be an Intermediate team wouldnt be shocked if they go the full way
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Have been thinking for a while Cullyhanna are bound to be thinking bigger than Armagh, but it wouldn't surprise you if they get complacent and get chinned in Armagh either. Like Clonoe they're not really an Intermediate team, being denied their county players for the past couple of leagues screwed them over.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 13, 2023, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Have been thinking for a while Cullyhanna are bound to be thinking bigger than Armagh, but it wouldn't surprise you if they get complacent and get chinned in Armagh either. Like Clonoe they're not really an Intermediate team, being denied their county players for the past couple of leagues screwed them over.
I'd say both of these clubs had it in the back of their head from they got relegated. Aghyaran, Moy, Pomeroy all fully capable of winning Tyrone intermediate also. They'd all be decent and the knockout element would come into it as well. I would make the bold early prediction the winner of Tyrone / Armagh game in intermediate could end up in Croker, some strong senior level players will be facing off in that 1st round game.
Cullyhanna were intermediate about a decade ago and people were also on about them winning an Ulster title at the time. They won Armagh, and then they were well beaten in the Ulster first round by some unremarkable team from Derry.
It's been over a decade since an Armagh intermediate representative even won a game in Ulster, never mind challenged for the title. That won't change this year. We routinely underestimate just how far off the pace the Armagh intermediate (and junior) clubs are at Ulster level. In reality, most of the senior clubs in the county would struggle to win an Ulster intermediate title.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Armaghs record at intermediate in the ulster club would suggest otherwise.
It is a fair point but with their lengthy stint in senior only ending last year and the county power they have they're not the typical intermediate team in Armagh. I suppose 3 county men isn't everything if you are severely lacking in other areas. It's a bit of a lottery most years the intermediate and junior in Ulster
Kilcoo /Glenn final with a Kilcoo win this time.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 13, 2023, 07:44:56 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 13, 2023, 02:29:25 AM
hopefully not we dont want club turning into intercounty football with a few teams winning
Aye 'cos Kilcoo (population < 2,000) and Glen (population <10,000) are two obvious behemoths that are dominating their poor wee competitors who have no hope of ever competing against parishes and clubs of that size. ???
Its not a parallel with Dublin (having approximately 20% of the island's population).
Completely get the point you are making but for the record, population of Maghera at the last census in 2021 was c4000 people.
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Clonoe, too good to be an Intermediate team wouldnt be shocked if they go the full way
Whoever beats Clonoe will win Ulster. They would give many senior teams a run for their money
Quote from: Taylor on September 14, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Clonoe, too good to be an Intermediate team wouldnt be shocked if they go the full way
Whoever beats Clonoe will win Ulster. They would give many senior teams a run for their money
Except senior teams in Tyrone?
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 13, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Cullyhanna were intermediate about a decade ago and people were also on about them winning an Ulster title at the time. They won Armagh, and then they were well beaten in the Ulster first round by some unremarkable team from Derry.
It's been over a decade since an Armagh intermediate representative even won a game in Ulster, never mind challenged for the title. That won't change this year. We routinely underestimate just how far off the pace the Armagh intermediate (and junior) clubs are at Ulster level. In reality, most of the senior clubs in the county would struggle to win an Ulster intermediate title.
I'd echo this (somewhat). Cullyhanna didn't even win the Intermediate A league this year, succumbing to 4 defeats including a 1 pt defeat at home to St Paul's who had a stag that weekend. So they're not even guaranteed senior football next year, unless they win the championship. With plenty of banana skins, this isn't a forgone conclusion.
That said, I don't think Armagh teams are that far off. Shane O'Neill's (who were completely out of their depth in Armagh senior football league & championship this year) were beat by 1 pt by the Ulster finalists, who are currently undefeated in the Monaghan SFC.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 14, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Clonoe, too good to be an Intermediate team wouldnt be shocked if they go the full way
Whoever beats Clonoe will win Ulster. They would give many senior teams a run for their money
Except senior teams in Tyrone?
Got to the semi final of the Tyrone championship last season.
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 14, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Clonoe, too good to be an Intermediate team wouldnt be shocked if they go the full way
Whoever beats Clonoe will win Ulster. They would give many senior teams a run for their money
Except senior teams in Tyrone?
Got to the semi final of the Tyrone championship last season.
Then relegated ?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 14, 2023, 10:42:36 AM
Ahem.
I present you Dunloy.....
Dunloy can play Junior Championship next year, probably still get beat by the Kerry champions
So relegated, and can only play intermediate as Tyrone only allow division 1 teams play senior? Unlike Antrim a club can pick whether it wants to play senior
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 14, 2023, 10:48:57 AM
I was just pointing out how Dunloy couldn't beat intermediate tems in the league (and got relegated to Div 3) but were more than able for senior teams come championship.
Probably a lot to do with the fact that the Dunloy hurlers weren't allowed to play in the football league, but they are in the Championship. I think there are 8 or 9 starters from the hurlers.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 10:34:44 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 14, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Clonoe, too good to be an Intermediate team wouldnt be shocked if they go the full way
Whoever beats Clonoe will win Ulster. They would give many senior teams a run for their money
Except senior teams in Tyrone?
Got to the semi final of the Tyrone championship last season.
Then relegated ?
Yes obviously as they are playing intermediate football this year.
But you said they couldn't beat senior teams in Tyrone and I was just pointing out they did last season.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 10:34:44 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 14, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Clonoe, too good to be an Intermediate team wouldnt be shocked if they go the full way
Whoever beats Clonoe will win Ulster. They would give many senior teams a run for their money
Except senior teams in Tyrone?
Got to the semi final of the Tyrone championship last season.
Then relegated ?
Yes relegated, unsure if the Tyrone system (but doubt it) is same as Antrim where you can choose where to play.
Senior semi final last year, finished 3rd last relegated and have walked the league this year.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 10:34:44 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 14, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 13, 2023, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Errigal Ciaran gave Glen a good rattle last year, if they make it out of the Tyrone minefield they would be hard put away. Few key injuries however.
I would also expect Burren to go well if they could overcome Kilcoo (obviously a massive initial hurdle). Is Murdock gonna play much more GAA this season?
I can't see how Glen aren't waiting in the Ulster final anyhow. Some team.
In intermediate, I think the two best teams will meet in the first round. Whoever the Tyrone champions are v St Pat's Cullyhanna
Clonoe, too good to be an Intermediate team wouldnt be shocked if they go the full way
Whoever beats Clonoe will win Ulster. They would give many senior teams a run for their money
Except senior teams in Tyrone?
Got to the semi final of the Tyrone championship last season.
Then relegated ?
Yes obviously as they are playing intermediate football this year.
But you said they couldn't beat senior teams in Tyrone and I was just pointing out they did last season.
Ahh SB give the man a break, we come from a county where the senior county champions can declare to play in Junior the following year.
So I'm assuming he was maybe thinking it was a similar system
WELCOME TO ANTRIM FOOTBALL 8)
Can a senior club in Antrim decide to play in the Intermediate championship?
What Counties allow teams to pick which championship they play in?
Quote from: LeoMc on September 14, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
What Counties allow teams to pick which championship they play in?
Antrim...
Club declares at start of the year what championship they are going to play in.
Dunloy have reached the senior SF and we're relegated from Div2 but wouldn't be surprised if they play senior next year again while playing Div3 league
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 14, 2023, 12:16:45 PM
I don't think it's as straight forward as any club just declaring where they are playing next year.
Not 100% sure on the rule but I think all Div 1 teams have to play senior. Div 2 teams can play up if they wish and there is space for them in senior championship.
Dunloy had to play senior this year because they won intermediate last year. Tyrone automatically promote a team like this to Div 1. Antrim don't.
Teams in Antrim can play a championship above them (league ) not below I'm fairly sure, think St Endas won promotion and played intermediate one year
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 14, 2023, 12:16:45 PM
I don't think it's as straight forward as any club just declaring where they are playing next year.
Not 100% sure on the rule but I think all Div 1 teams have to play senior. Div 2 teams can play up if they wish and there is space for them in senior championship.
Dunloy had to play senior this year because they won intermediate last year. Tyrone automatically promote a team like this to Div 1. Antrim don't.
Teams in Antrim can play a championship above them (league ) not below I'm fairly sure, think St Endas won promotion and played intermediate one year
St Endas, won IFC 2018 playing in Div 1?
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 14, 2023, 01:08:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2023, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 14, 2023, 12:16:45 PM
I don't think it's as straight forward as any club just declaring where they are playing next year.
Not 100% sure on the rule but I think all Div 1 teams have to play senior. Div 2 teams can play up if they wish and there is space for them in senior championship.
Dunloy had to play senior this year because they won intermediate last year. Tyrone automatically promote a team like this to Div 1. Antrim don't.
Teams in Antrim can play a championship above them (league ) not below I'm fairly sure, think St Endas won promotion and played intermediate one year
St Endas, won IFC 2018 playing in Div 1?
Not sure of the set up at the time, whether they won division 2 and played IFC the following year while being senior...
But that's down to the clubs, they voted for things like that to happen
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 04:40:29 PM
It is a fair point but with their lengthy stint in senior only ending last year and the county power they have they're not the typical intermediate team in Armagh. I suppose 3 county men isn't everything if you are severely lacking in other areas. It's a bit of a lottery most years the intermediate and junior in Ulster
Shane O'Neills with 3 Armagh Seniors were defeated in the first round of Ulster last year. Are Cullyhanna a better team than them?
If O'Rourke takes the Derry job would he see out the season with Glen? Surely there would be an overlap if Glen got a good run again.
Quote from: clarshack on September 14, 2023, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 04:40:29 PM
It is a fair point but with their lengthy stint in senior only ending last year and the county power they have they're not the typical intermediate team in Armagh. I suppose 3 county men isn't everything if you are severely lacking in other areas. It's a bit of a lottery most years the intermediate and junior in Ulster
Shane O'Neills with 3 Armagh Seniors were defeated in the first round of Ulster last year. Are Cullyhanna a better team than them?
Cullyhanna also have 3 Armagh seniors (Ross McQuillan, Aidan Nugent, Jason Duffy) and they probably have a bit more squad depth and experience as well.
Quote from: general_lee on September 14, 2023, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 13, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Cullyhanna were intermediate about a decade ago and people were also on about them winning an Ulster title at the time. They won Armagh, and then they were well beaten in the Ulster first round by some unremarkable team from Derry.
It's been over a decade since an Armagh intermediate representative even won a game in Ulster, never mind challenged for the title. That won't change this year. We routinely underestimate just how far off the pace the Armagh intermediate (and junior) clubs are at Ulster level. In reality, most of the senior clubs in the county would struggle to win an Ulster intermediate title.
I'd echo this (somewhat). Cullyhanna didn't even win the Intermediate A league this year, succumbing to 4 defeats including a 1 pt defeat at home to St Paul's who had a stag that weekend. So they're not even guaranteed senior football next year, unless they win the championship. With plenty of banana skins, this isn't a forgone conclusion.
That said, I don't think Armagh teams are that far off. Shane O'Neill's (who were completely out of their depth in Armagh senior football league & championship this year) were beat by 1 pt by the Ulster finalists, who are currently undefeated in the Monaghan SFC.
Both Cullyhanna and Shanes have 3 county men so would be without them for the bulk of the league in fairness. Shanes also lost another few lads to travelling etc. Cullyhanna far from certain to win Armagh intermediate though!
Quote from: clarshack on September 14, 2023, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on September 13, 2023, 04:40:29 PM
It is a fair point but with their lengthy stint in senior only ending last year and the county power they have they're not the typical intermediate team in Armagh. I suppose 3 county men isn't everything if you are severely lacking in other areas. It's a bit of a lottery most years the intermediate and junior in Ulster
Shane O'Neills with 3 Armagh Seniors were defeated in the first round of Ulster last year. Are Cullyhanna a better team than them?
I would say so yes.