The draw for the 2023 provincial football championships will take place this Saturday on RTÉ Radio 1 and streamed online on RTÉ.ie/Sport and the RTÉ News app.
The four provincial draws will begin after 4pm on Saturday Sport. No draws are needed in hurling due to the round-robin only format which leads to provincial finals.
In each province, certain criteria will apply.
Connacht: New York v Leitrim and London v Sligo - pre-determined pairings - and two from Galway, Mayo and Roscommon will make up the quarter-finals.
Leinster: Last year's semi-finalists Dublin, Kildare, Meath and Westmeath receive a bye to the quarters, with one from Carlow, Laois, Longford, Louth, Offaly, Wexford and Wicklow also getting a bye to the last-eight stage.
In recent years the Leinster council delayed the semi-final draw until after the quarter-finals. That practice will be discontinued for 2023.
Munster: Last season's finalists Limerick and Kerry will be seeded to the semi-finals.
Ulster: Because they were drawn in this year's preliminary round, Fermanagh and Tyrone will get byes to quarter-finals, as does the 2021 preliminary round pairing of Donegal and Down.
Armagh and Derry will be hoping to avoid each other in the Ulster Preliminary round, although such a game would make good TV opener for the championship. Hopefully Armagh will get Donegal at home.
Derry and good tv do not go together
Quote from: armaghniac on October 11, 2022, 10:16:49 PM
Armagh and Derry will be hoping to avoid each other in the Ulster Preliminary round, although such a game would make good TV opener for the championship. Hopefully Armagh will get Donegal at home.
I'd say our lads would love a cut at Derry. Donegal if they get a new manager in and get there house in order are a horrible team for us to play against as shown plenty of times in the last few years although we'll take serious confidence from the schooling we gave them in Clones.
When are league fixtures out.
As always the draw's will be interesting but I think the outcome will determine how some teams approach the provincial championships. They are not the be all and end all for teams that keep their Division 1 status or finish towards the top of Division 2. As a result if a Division 1 team are given four potentially challenging provincial games I think we'll see the squad used a lot more than previous years; it'll all be about preparation for the All Ireland group stages. A provincial title would be nice but I doubt it will be the priority.
Quote from: Gael80 on October 13, 2022, 01:35:33 PM
As always the draw's will be interesting but I think the outcome will determine how some teams approach the provincial championships. They are not the be all and end all for teams that keep their Division 1 status or finish towards the top of Division 2. As a result if a Division 1 team are given four potentially challenging provincial games I think we'll see the squad used a lot more than previous years; it'll all be about preparation for the All Ireland group stages. A provincial title would be nice but I doubt it will be the priority.
Certainly will be for Armagh as it has genuinely been far too long since we've done anything in Ulster. Suppose it's the only meaningful provincial these days anyway.
Surely it's now or never for geezer to put an ulster title on the table
In Ulster so much depends on the draw. I'd want to be avoided Tyrone anyway I think they'll be on revenge mission next year.
Quote from: An Watcher on October 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Surely it's now or never for geezer to put an ulster title on the table
The Ulster championship won't mean a big pile next year tbh
No point winning it now
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 13, 2022, 08:01:52 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on October 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Surely it's now or never for geezer to put an ulster title on the table
The Ulster championship won't mean a big pile next year tbh
No point winning it now
Can potentially have a easier group and get your first group game at home by winning a provincial title.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 13, 2022, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 13, 2022, 08:01:52 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on October 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Surely it's now or never for geezer to put an ulster title on the table
The Ulster championship won't mean a big pile next year tbh
No point winning it now
Winning the provincial championship in Ulster (or even getting to it and losing) will be very significant next year
Can potentially have a easier group and get your first group game at home by winning a provincial title.
Having your first game at home will be great for getting off to a good start.
Based on this year's league and provincial results from this year if the new structure was in place this year the seeding groups would have looked like this.
Provincial Winners/1st Seeds Derry Galway Dublin Kerry
Provincial Losers/2nd Seeds Donegal Roscommon Kildare Limerick
League Places 1/3rd Seeds Mayo Armagh Tyrone Monaghan
League Places 2/4th Seeds Meath Clare Cork Louth
[This isn't how groups could look - provinicial finalists will be keep apart but other repeat fixtures are allowed]
Derry, Galway, Dublin and Kerry all would have had home games to start off the group stages.
Derry by winning Ulster would have avoided all of provincial champions in the group stages.
That's always likely to be a fairly decent result.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 13, 2022, 08:01:52 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on October 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Surely it's now or never for geezer to put an ulster title on the table
The Ulster championship won't mean a big pile next year tbh
No point winning it now
https://giphy.com/gifs/sweaty-hvq8ONQhQ1XLq
Ulster teams other than Cavan won nothing for decades and the Anglo Celt was always highly prized regardless of events elsewhere.
Quote from: seafoid on October 15, 2022, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 13, 2022, 08:01:52 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on October 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Surely it's now or never for geezer to put an ulster title on the table
The Ulster championship won't mean a big pile next year tbh
No point winning it now
https://giphy.com/gifs/sweaty-hvq8ONQhQ1XLq
Ulster teams other than Cavan won nothing for decades and the Anglo Celt was always highly prized regardless of events elsewhere.
And it always will. It'll be a sad day that an Ulster title doesn't mean the absolute world to the winners. I hope we never see an Ulster winning captain lifting the trophy with a face like a man about to read his best friends eulogy
Connacht championship draw.
Quarter-finals
New York v Leitrim
London v Sligo
Mayo v Roscommon
Semi finals
New york/Leitrim v London/Sligo
Mayo/Roscommon v Galway
Ulster draw
Preliminary round
Armagh v Antrim
Quarter-finals
Cavan v Armagh/Antrim
Fermanagh v Derry
Tyrone v Monaghan
Down v Donegal
Semi finals
Fermanagh/Derry v Tyrone/Monaghan
Down/Donegal v Cavan/Armagh/Antrim
Munster
Quarter-finals
Tipperary v Waterford
Cork v Clare
Semi-finals
Limerick v Cork/Clare
Tipperary/Waterford v Kerry
Leinster
Quarter-final draw
Kildare v Wicklow/Carlow
Dublin v Wexford/Laois
Meath v Longford/Offaly
Westmeath v Louth
semi-finals
Kildare/Wicklow/Carlow v Dublin/Wexford/Laois
Meath v Longford/Offaly v Westmeath/Louth
So does this now mean that the one of 2 teams promoted from div 3 won't be playing in the Sam Maguire unless it's Westmeath promoted ( as they won the Tailteann) ?
It's a farce set up that 2div 4 teams can play for Sam, putting out possible 2 Div 2 teams.
Armagh v Antrim with the winner playing Cavan.
Derry to disappear next year like Cavan in 2021
Complete farce
Again Ulster teams are disadvantaged compared to the Dublin & Kerrys
The GAA should just bite the bullet and scrap provincials
Seán Cavanagh has described the Munster draw as "lunacy" and added that the "relevance of it is insignificant".
Main talking point of that provincial draw is one of New York,Sligo,leitrim or London guaranteed to play the last 16 of the All Ireland championship and avoid the Tailteann cup. Not what the powers to be will have wanted and you'll see seeding coming into all provincial draws next year.
Fix! ;D
Handy draw for Cavan, handy trip up to that wee pitch in Antrim 1st up. Then we will give Down a 10 point lead in the semi before coming back with a big run in. Fermanagh will prove a stern test in the final but Cavan to eek it out 0-4 to 0-3 after extra time.
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 15, 2022, 05:19:45 PM
Complete farce
Again Ulster teams are disadvantaged compared to the Dublin & Kerrys
The GAA should just bite the bullet and scrap provincials
Being determined to retain the Ulster championship meant that the Ulster counties were always going to be at a disadvantage.
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 15, 2022, 05:19:45 PM
Complete farce
Again Ulster teams are disadvantaged compared to the Dublin & Kerrys
The GAA should just bite the bullet and scrap provincials
When they tried to downgrade them the Ulster crowd roared and shouted and made sure it wasn't passed.
The Herrins, MGHU and The Ros all on the wan side of the draw is nuts .
That should ensure a few games for Armagh in the summer and perhaps a few for Sligo managed by a good Cross' man.
Quote from: greatpoint on October 15, 2022, 04:56:39 PM
Derry to disappear next year like Cavan in 2021
Unlikely
Connacht draw makes a shambles of the All Ireland series and highlights the stupidity of the lengths gone to to protect the provincial championships.
just get rid of provincials linked to all ireland
Will seeding provincials mean potentially even more mismatches
Seeding not required. Just a simple change that it's only the provincial winners guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire. Losing finalists should not have that guarantee
Provincial championships mean mismatches. The GAA is based on provinces.
Quote from: Hound on October 16, 2022, 11:35:05 AM
Seeding not required. Just a simple change that it's only the provincial winners guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire. Losing finalists should not have that guarantee
Agree with this.
Quote from: Hound on October 16, 2022, 11:35:05 AM
Seeding not required. Just a simple change that it's only the provincial winners guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire. Losing finalists should not have that guarantee
like this idea.
Sligo / Leitrim will get 15plus points put on them in that league format,
Quote from: Rossfan on October 15, 2022, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 15, 2022, 05:19:45 PM
Complete farce
Again Ulster teams are disadvantaged compared to the Dublin & Kerrys
The GAA should just bite the bullet and scrap provincials
When they tried to downgrade them the Ulster crowd roared and shouted and made sure it wasn't passed.
Good. Ulster matters.
Am on for a 32 country straight knock open draw.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 16, 2022, 05:36:43 PM
Am on for a 32 country straight knock open draw.
Open draw is not a panacea I'd say there would be feck all interest in Waterford v Derry or Antrim v Galway.
Quote from: Hound on October 16, 2022, 11:35:05 AM
Seeding not required. Just a simple change that it's only the provincial winners guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire. Losing finalists should not have that guarantee
True but how did the grey haired men in suits not figure that one out?
Probably included Finalists at behest of Provincial Councils.
Be interesting to see what type of crowds turn up for the provincial championship with the unusual April start. NFL and underage games played that time of year aren't overly big attendances. Supporters will also know there is round robin matches ahead and may choose which matches they go to especially nowadays with the cost of living. If the provincial councils want healthy crowds they'll need to cut the prices on tickets and come up with package deals for families.
I'm a strong advocate of the abolishment of the provincials but the back door sorta negates the reasons for it. A 32-team system should have 8x4, instead of 12/9/6/5 and then some kind of evening out.
There are too many people in good jobs provincially and that's understandable.
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:48:17 PM
I'm a strong advocate of the abolishment of the provincials but the back door sorta negates the reasons for it. A 32-team system should have 8x4, instead of 12/9/6/5 and then some kind of evening out.
There are too many people in good jobs provincially and that's understandable.
The amount of work and effort that is duplicated by having the four provincial councils is just madness.
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:48:17 PM
I'm a strong advocate of the abolishment of the provincials but the back door sorta negates the reasons for it. A 32-team system should have 8x4, instead of 12/9/6/5 and then some kind of evening out.
There are too many people in good jobs provincially and that's understandable.
Which county would be throw out of Ulster?
Quote from: armaghniac on October 18, 2022, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:48:17 PM
I'm a strong advocate of the abolishment of the provincials but the back door sorta negates the reasons for it. A 32-team system should have 8x4, instead of 12/9/6/5 and then some kind of evening out.
There are too many people in good jobs provincially and that's understandable.
Which county would be throw out of Ulster?
Tyrone.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 18, 2022, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:48:17 PM
I'm a strong advocate of the abolishment of the provincials but the back door sorta negates the reasons for it. A 32-team system should have 8x4, instead of 12/9/6/5 and then some kind of evening out.
There are too many people in good jobs provincially and that's understandable.
Which county would be throw out of Ulster?
It would have to be geographical. Connacht would get
1 xUlster and 2x Leinster so probably Cavan, Longford and Westmeath
Ye do realise a proposal for 4 eights was (rightfully) thrown out by around 90% of Congress last year.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 19, 2022, 10:10:40 AM
Ye do realise a proposal for 4 eights was (rightfully) thrown out by around 90% of Congress last year.
Leinster championship would be a great championship if Dublin wasn't in it. Likewise with Kerry in Munster.
Quote from: seafoid on October 19, 2022, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 18, 2022, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:48:17 PM
I'm a strong advocate of the abolishment of the provincials but the back door sorta negates the reasons for it. A 32-team system should have 8x4, instead of 12/9/6/5 and then some kind of evening out.
There are too many people in good jobs provincially and that's understandable.
Which county would be throw out of Ulster?
It would have to be geographical. Connacht would get
1 xUlster and 2x Leinster so probably Cavan, Longford and Westmeath
Cavan is ulster.
Quote from: Itchy on October 20, 2022, 07:14:46 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 19, 2022, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 18, 2022, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:48:17 PM
I'm a strong advocate of the abolishment of the provincials but the back door sorta negates the reasons for it. A 32-team system should have 8x4, instead of 12/9/6/5 and then some kind of evening out.
There are too many people in good jobs provincially and that's understandable.
Which county would be throw out of Ulster?
It would have to be geographical. Connacht would get
1 xUlster and 2x Leinster so probably Cavan, Longford and Westmeath
Cavan is ulster.
Unfortunately
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Quote from: trailer on October 20, 2022, 09:19:12 AM
Quote from: Itchy on October 20, 2022, 07:14:46 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 19, 2022, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 18, 2022, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:48:17 PM
I'm a strong advocate of the abolishment of the provincials but the back door sorta negates the reasons for it. A 32-team system should have 8x4, instead of 12/9/6/5 and then some kind of evening out.
There are too many people in good jobs provincially and that's understandable.
Which county would be throw out of Ulster?
It would have to be geographical. Connacht would get
1 xUlster and 2x Leinster so probably Cavan, Longford and Westmeath
Cavan is ulster.
Unfortunately
Yes I suppose it is unfortunate, your county may have won a few more Ulsters if we werent.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Dublin and Kerry will stay in second gear as per. The Ulster teams? None of them can afford yo turn their noses up a a provincial title. Going on last year Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan have tons of improving to do before thinking of winning an all ireland. Derry will want to prove last year wasnt a flash in the pan. Obviously for Armagh it's been far too long since we've done anything in Ulster so again it has to be our number one priority. Am I right in saying that Cavan need to make the Ulster final to avoid the Tailteann?
The only province you might see teams taking it easy is Connacht. The big 3 have all won their fair share of provincials in recent years so may try to prime themselves for the AI.
Quote from: trailer on October 19, 2022, 11:36:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 19, 2022, 10:10:40 AM
Ye do realise a proposal for 4 eights was (rightfully) thrown out by around 90% of Congress last year.
Leinster championship would be a great championship if Dublin wasn't in it. Likewise with Kerry in Munster.
True. A bit like a few years back when Dublin were dominating the all ireland- there were a lot of teams in the pack capable of giving each other a game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2022, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Dublin and Kerry will stay in second gear as per. The Ulster teams? None of them can afford yo turn their noses up a a provincial title. Going on last year Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan have tons of improving to do before thinking of winning an all ireland. Derry will want to prove last year wasnt a flash in the pan. Obviously for Armagh it's been far too long since we've done anything in Ulster so again it has to be our number one priority. Am I right in saying that Cavan need to make the Ulster final to avoid the Tailteann?
The only province you might see teams taking it easy is Connacht. The big 3 have all won their fair share of provincials in recent years so may try to prime themselves for the AI.
Yes, Cavan will need to likely beat 2 x Div1 teams to avoid Tailteann, regardless if they finish top of Div3 due to the lob sided draw in Connacht. Just highlights a major weakness in the process.
Quote from: Itchy on October 20, 2022, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2022, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Dublin and Kerry will stay in second gear as per. The Ulster teams? None of them can afford yo turn their noses up a a provincial title. Going on last year Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan have tons of improving to do before thinking of winning an all ireland. Derry will want to prove last year wasnt a flash in the pan. Obviously for Armagh it's been far too long since we've done anything in Ulster so again it has to be our number one priority. Am I right in saying that Cavan need to make the Ulster final to avoid the Tailteann?
The only province you might see teams taking it easy is Connacht. The big 3 have all won their fair share of provincials in recent years so may try to prime themselves for the AI.
Yes, Cavan will need to likely beat 2 x Div1 teams to avoid Tailteann, regardless if they finish top of Div3 due to the lob sided draw in Connacht. Just highlights a major weakness in the process.
Definitely weakness there, agreed. The team that comes out of the non Ros/Mayo/Galway side of Connacht is going to get tanked in that final and then again in the All Ireland in all likelihood. At least Cavan should win the Tailteann this year!
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Yes that would be my thinking on it. Put your feet up , forget about provincial, go in fresh to the group stage . No suspensions, fresh legs etc.
Why would any team with All Ireland aspirations go hell for leather trying to win a meaningless provincial title?
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Yes that would be my thinking on it. Put your feet up , forget about provincial, go in fresh to the group stage . No suspensions, fresh legs etc.
Why would any team with All Ireland aspirations go hell for leather trying to win a meaningless provincial title?
Can 4 teams win the all Ireland?
Quote from: Itchy on October 20, 2022, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2022, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Dublin and Kerry will stay in second gear as per. The Ulster teams? None of them can afford yo turn their noses up a a provincial title. Going on last year Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan have tons of improving to do before thinking of winning an all ireland. Derry will want to prove last year wasnt a flash in the pan. Obviously for Armagh it's been far too long since we've done anything in Ulster so again it has to be our number one priority. Am I right in saying that Cavan need to make the Ulster final to avoid the Tailteann?
The only province you might see teams taking it easy is Connacht. The big 3 have all won their fair share of provincials in recent years so may try to prime themselves for the AI.
Yes, Cavan will need to likely beat 2 x Div1 teams to avoid Tailteann, regardless if they finish top of Div3 due to the lob sided draw in Connacht. Just highlights a major weakness in the process.
Can't have much sympathy for Cavan.
From a Division 1 team in 2019 to somehow allowing themselves to drop to Division 4. How was it even possible to lose that playoff against Wicklow?
Then they had Tailteann Cup which every Tom, Dick and Harry was tipping then to win yet Westmeath won and guaranteed a spot All-Ireland group stage.
As for the provincial championships they'll be dead the day that Division 1 teams don't pick strong teams in games, instead choose to experiment with fringe players and i don't think that will be the case next year.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Yes that would be my thinking on it. Put your feet up , forget about provincial, go in fresh to the group stage . No suspensions, fresh legs etc.
Why would any team with All Ireland aspirations go hell for leather trying to win a meaningless provincial title?
I don't agree. winning Ulster gave Derry a massive lift last year. Most teams won't win the all Ireland. The provincial titles will always be silverware. Armagh came up against their ceiling at the quarter final stage. Next year a Geezer anglo Celt win would mean a lot.
Quote from: seafoid on October 20, 2022, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Yes that would be my thinking on it. Put your feet up , forget about provincial, go in fresh to the group stage . No suspensions, fresh legs etc.
Why would any team with All Ireland aspirations go hell for leather trying to win a meaningless provincial title?
I don't agree. winning Ulster gave Derry a massive lift last year. Most teams won't win the all Ireland. The provincial titles will always be silverware. Armagh came up against their ceiling at the quarter final stage. Next year a Geezer anglo Celt win would mean a lot.
It would however will likely excel more in group stages than Ulster going on previous years.
That's the thing. Winning your province doesn't make you the best team in the province if other teams in the province go further in the overall series or, God forbid, win Sam. So to celebrate winning the provincial title is just simply a trophy celebration, not a marker of your position. I know it has emotional or sentimental value for some.
Quote from: seafoid on October 20, 2022, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Yes that would be my thinking on it. Put your feet up , forget about provincial, go in fresh to the group stage . No suspensions, fresh legs etc.
Why would any team with All Ireland aspirations go hell for leather trying to win a meaningless provincial title?
I don't agree. winning Ulster gave Derry a massive lift last year. Most teams won't win the all Ireland. The provincial titles will always be silverware. Armagh came up against their ceiling at the quarter final stage. Next year a Geezer anglo Celt win would mean a lot.
I get what you are saying but in Ulster there are a number of teams that are capable of beating each other: Armagh Tyrone Derry Donegal Monaghan Cavan .
I think 4 of those are in division 1 next year .. so let's say someone like Tyrone could possibly need to beat Derry Monaghan Armagh and Donegal to win Ulster. If they've already been well placed in Div 1 and already qualified for this group stage , why would they even bother trying to win Ulster? 4 tough games v 4 rivals. Risking injury suspensions and being knackered for the really important matches later on . Why bother?
The proposal last year to downgrade the Provincials didn't make it because it was too much too soon.
The system adopted will downgrade them in a slower more organic way.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 20, 2022, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Yes that would be my thinking on it. Put your feet up , forget about provincial, go in fresh to the group stage . No suspensions, fresh legs etc.
Why would any team with All Ireland aspirations go hell for leather trying to win a meaningless provincial title?
I don't agree. winning Ulster gave Derry a massive lift last year. Most teams won't win the all Ireland. The provincial titles will always be silverware. Armagh came up against their ceiling at the quarter final stage. Next year a Geezer anglo Celt win would mean a lot.
I get what you are saying but in Ulster there are a number of teams that are capable of beating each other: Armagh Tyrone Derry Donegal Monaghan Cavan .
I think 4 of those are in division 1 next year .. so let's say someone like Tyrone could possibly need to beat Derry Monaghan Armagh and Donegal to win Ulster. If they've already been well placed in Div 1 and already qualified for this group stage , why would they even bother trying to win Ulster? 4 tough games v 4 rivals. Risking injury suspensions and being knackered for the really important matches later on . Why bother?
Sure why bother at all with that attitude...
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
. One of the best posts on here in a long time
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
Did you not watch the Munster final last year? Kerry barely had to break sweat ffs.
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
You're misunderstanding the concept. After 20 mins, when Kerry are beating Clare by 10 pts, Clifford is unlikely to bust a gut chasing a 10/90 ball heading over the sideline.
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2022, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
You're misunderstanding the concept. After 20 mins, when Kerry are beating Clare by 10 pts, Clifford is unlikely to bust a gut chasing a 10/90 ball heading over the sideline.
Absolutely, in a keen game the players will bust themselves and risk getting a clatter, but when you are well ahead against a team that was never going to beat you then why risk anything?
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 20, 2022, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Yes that would be my thinking on it. Put your feet up , forget about provincial, go in fresh to the group stage . No suspensions, fresh legs etc.
Why would any team with All Ireland aspirations go hell for leather trying to win a meaningless provincial title?
I don't agree. winning Ulster gave Derry a massive lift last year. Most teams won't win the all Ireland. The provincial titles will always be silverware. Armagh came up against their ceiling at the quarter final stage. Next year a Geezer anglo Celt win would mean a lot.
I get what you are saying but in Ulster there are a number of teams that are capable of beating each other: Armagh Tyrone Derry Donegal Monaghan Cavan .
I think 4 of those are in division 1 next year .. so let's say someone like Tyrone could possibly need to beat Derry Monaghan Armagh and Donegal to win Ulster. If they've already been well placed in Div 1 and already qualified for this group stage , why would they even bother trying to win Ulster? 4 tough games v 4 rivals. Risking injury suspensions and being knackered for the really important matches later on . Why bother?
winning province in thoery gives you an easier group stage as you wont have another provincial champion in group.
Quote from: maigheo on October 21, 2022, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
. One of the best posts on here in a long time
Do you believe that when Mayo beat Sligo for example by 20 points in Connacht they are playing at the same intensity and hitting (and being hit) at the same force as they would be if they were playing Dublin in a semi final? Come on now, you can't think such daftness
Quote from: Itchy on October 23, 2022, 08:49:48 PM
Quote from: maigheo on October 21, 2022, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
. One of the best posts on here in a long time
Do you believe that when Mayo beat Sligo for example by 20 points in Connacht they are playing at the same intensity and hitting (and being hit) at the same force as they would be if they were playing Dublin in a semi final? Come on now, you can't think such daftness
They bring a certain amount of intensity, heavy hitting,speed that Sligo can't live with.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 20, 2022, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
Will those 3 or 4 teams with genuine designs on Sam take the Provincials very seriously?
I know winning them gives you perks (1st seed, 1st game at home) but 3 or 4 weeks without intense knock out games v neighbours might leave them in better shape for the AI series.
Thoughts?
Yes that would be my thinking on it. Put your feet up , forget about provincial, go in fresh to the group stage . No suspensions, fresh legs etc.
Why would any team with All Ireland aspirations go hell for leather trying to win a meaningless provincial title?
I don't agree. winning Ulster gave Derry a massive lift last year. Most teams won't win the all Ireland. The provincial titles will always be silverware. Armagh came up against their ceiling at the quarter final stage. Next year a Geezer anglo Celt win would mean a lot.
I get what you are saying but in Ulster there are a number of teams that are capable of beating each other: Armagh Tyrone Derry Donegal Monaghan Cavan .
I think 4 of those are in division 1 next year .. so let's say someone like Tyrone could possibly need to beat Derry Monaghan Armagh and Donegal to win Ulster. If they've already been well placed in Div 1 and already qualified for this group stage , why would they even bother trying to win Ulster? 4 tough games v 4 rivals. Risking injury suspensions and being knackered for the really important matches later on . Why bother?
It's a herculean task to garner any sympathy here for the possible future trials and tribulations of the most oppressed GAA county in Ireland. According to your post, it would be an act of mercy for them to beaten in the quarter final. ;D
This new championship format has maintained the favour given to provincial finalists in the latter stages of the Championship draw. A probable flaw is that the runners up are seeded in pot 2, Connacht runners up will be a desired opponent. I think in general the new format is a positive direction and one that can be adjusted for the better in the years to come.
Here, I dislike Tyrone as much as the next man , but I just used them as an example as they did go all the way last year , and would have similar ambitions next year .
Not only that , but if they did decide not to go all out in Ulster, and therefore weren't best seeded in the group stages , still on their day , they'd be capable of putting it up to anyone .
So , early Ulster exit , meaning one less home match in group stage ....... or a knackered Ulster winning team , with injuries and suspensions . Which would be more beneficial to a team capable of going all the way?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1019/1330216-early-creaks-in-new-football-championship-structure/
"A Division 3/4 side must reach a provincial final in order to play in the All-Ireland series.
Judging by some of the reaction on Twitter and the comments of Seán Cavanagh, the prospect of a Division 2 teams missing out on a Sam Maguire tilt highlights for them a flaw with the provincials.
"A better team won't be in Sam Maguire," was the tone of one such tweet, while Cavanagh told RTÉ Sport: "It highlights the madness of this provisional system as well that we're now talking about Division 4 teams going to be guaranteed a place in the Sam Maguire Cup while there are a stack of Division 2 teams, some of them top provincial teams, that are more than likely going to miss out at this stage. The system is a crazy one."
I think this is debatable. Just as there weren't 8 super 8 teams there aren't 16 counties capable of going all the way. Some of the teams in the bottom half of D2 are shite.
They can fix it with seeding but there is a still a huge drop off in standards between D1 and D2.
Quote from: seafoid on October 24, 2022, 08:14:35 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1019/1330216-early-creaks-in-new-football-championship-structure/
"A Division 3/4 side must reach a provincial final in order to play in the All-Ireland series.
Judging by some of the reaction on Twitter and the comments of Seán Cavanagh, the prospect of a Division 2 teams missing out on a Sam Maguire tilt highlights for them a flaw with the provincials.
"A better team won't be in Sam Maguire," was the tone of one such tweet, while Cavanagh told RTÉ Sport: "It highlights the madness of this provisional system as well that we're now talking about Division 4 teams going to be guaranteed a place in the Sam Maguire Cup while there are a stack of Division 2 teams, some of them top provincial teams, that are more than likely going to miss out at this stage. The system is a crazy one."
I think this is debatable. Just as there weren't 8 super 8 teams there aren't 16 counties capable of going all the way. Some of the teams in the bottom half of D2 are shite.
They can fix it with seeding but there is a still a huge drop off in standards between D1 and D2.
Realistically if you are finishing near the bottom of division 2 you wont do much in the All Ireland but would probably be favourites for the Tailteann
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2022, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
You're misunderstanding the concept. After 20 mins, when Kerry are beating Clare by 10 pts, Clifford is unlikely to bust a gut chasing a 10/90 ball heading over the sideline.
Bollocks. The best players are the best because they do it consistently. Nobody is going at half pace. And they are 10 pts up because they are going flat out.
Quote from: trailer on October 24, 2022, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2022, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
You're misunderstanding the concept. After 20 mins, when Kerry are beating Clare by 10 pts, Clifford is unlikely to bust a gut chasing a 10/90 ball heading over the sideline.
Bollocks. The best players are the best because they do it consistently. Nobody is going at half pace. And they are 10 pts up because they are going flat out.
But they won't go flat out for the second half when they know that the opposition are not good enough to get back into the game.
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 24, 2022, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 24, 2022, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2022, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
You're misunderstanding the concept. After 20 mins, when Kerry are beating Clare by 10 pts, Clifford is unlikely to bust a gut chasing a 10/90 ball heading over the sideline.
Bollocks. The best players are the best because they do it consistently. Nobody is going at half pace. And they are 10 pts up because they are going flat out.
But they won't go flat out for the second half when they know that the opposition are not good enough to get back into the game.
I don't know. When I played and I was either trying to get into the team or stay in team you didn't do that by going 60%. Especially a winning one. Teams get humped because they give up. Not because the better side goes 50%. It's a f**king nonsense punditry line.
Quote from: trailer on October 24, 2022, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2022, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 21, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Can someone explain how Dublin or Kerry are going out to play a game in 2nd or 3rd gear? How does that work? Do they only sprint at 60%? Do they only take 60% of possible shots? How do you hold back a bunch of fellas trying to get a place on a possible all Ireland team from going 110%?
It is the greatest shite talked in punditry and it's time someone called it out on air.
You're misunderstanding the concept. After 20 mins, when Kerry are beating Clare by 10 pts, Clifford is unlikely to bust a gut chasing a 10/90 ball heading over the sideline.
Bollocks. The best players are the best because they do it consistently. Nobody is going at half pace. And they are 10 pts up because they are going flat out.
Why didn't Tyrone do back to back then?
Think it should be only provincial champions seeded that would make the league more impotent aswell if the next seeds go by league.
Connacht U20 draw was done last night. A tough draw for the defending champions Sligo.
Prem round
Roscommon v Sligo
Semi finals
Roscommon/Sligo v Mayo
Leitrim v Galway
If provincial champions got to play all 3 All Ireland group games at home and beaten finalists did not get seeded that may make winning provincial have more added weight.
Will there be a McKenna Cup in 2023?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1130/1339137-tyrone-boost-as-experienced-trio-commit-for-2023-season/
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2022, 11:24:12 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1130/1339137-tyrone-boost-as-experienced-trio-commit-for-2023-season/
what ages are those boys now?
Harte / Donnelly 32, McNamee 31
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 26, 2022, 01:05:20 PM
Will there be a McKenna Cup in 2023?
The draws for the Dr McKenna Cup have yet to be made but it is known that the three dates for the group games will be Wednesday, January 4; Sunday, January 8 and Wednesday, January 11. There will be three groups of three games and each county will have two games.