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« Reply #39465 on: November 24, 2022, 11:26:19 AM »
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they arenít at that standard, then why not given my points above?

I see st Pauls Bessbrook beat St Pats Maghera in Rannafast quarters yesterday. Are there any Down players on the squad?  Fair play to them for testing themselves against the best.

Fair play for testing themselves , if they have a good team they will but if not they stay at B level, a school with their numbers should be A all competitions/ years.

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« Reply #39466 on: November 24, 2022, 02:13:24 PM »
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they arenít at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skillís & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as itís easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

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« Reply #39467 on: November 24, 2022, 02:31:58 PM »
The Red High have only won the McLarnon 5 times in their history but won the Rannafast 3 times in the early 80s with players like John Kelly and Barry Breen among the winners. A big school with a rich history and good gaa clubs feeding the school.

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« Reply #39468 on: November 24, 2022, 03:55:07 PM »
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they arenít at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skillís & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as itís easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

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« Reply #39469 on: November 24, 2022, 04:47:00 PM »
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they arenít at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skillís & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as itís easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

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« Reply #39470 on: November 24, 2022, 05:28:28 PM »

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They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skillís & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as itís easier rather than being tested at McRory level.
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« Reply #39471 on: November 24, 2022, 06:17:19 PM »
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they arenít at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skillís & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as itís easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to  point out that there  8)were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

Declan Morgan has been there at least 8 years,
 - Gaelic football in the school is a jokeÖ..should be winning McLarnons - maybe they are waiting to amalgamate with De La Salle before pushing onÖ.

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« Reply #39472 on: November 24, 2022, 06:24:05 PM »
Morgan has taken a career break, more money in the coffee shops!

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« Reply #39473 on: November 25, 2022, 08:48:52 AM »
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they arenít at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skillís & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as itís easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to  point out that there  8)were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

Declan Morgan has been there at least 8 years,
 - Gaelic football in the school is a jokeÖ..should be winning McLarnons - maybe they are waiting to amalgamate with De La Salle before pushing onÖ.

When the amalgamation happens they will certainly be a MacRory team. I think they are a strong school but could be better given the rich clubs that feed the school.

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« Reply #39474 on: November 25, 2022, 09:16:28 AM »
I don't think they will be a MacRory team if the merge with DLS. DLS haven't really done much in schools football in 20 plus years have they?

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« Reply #39475 on: November 25, 2022, 09:19:31 AM »
I don't think they will be a MacRory team if the merge with DLS. DLS haven't really done much in schools football in 20 plus years have they?

The numbers that they will increase the chances. On the subject of schools, who is pushing soccer in St Marks Warrenpoint? They seem to be playing a game every day. Do Warrenpoint Town FC help them out as they seem to be good at it.

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« Reply #39476 on: November 25, 2022, 11:50:33 AM »
I don't think they will be a MacRory team if the merge with DLS. DLS haven't really done much in schools football in 20 plus years have they?

The numbers that they will increase the chances. On the subject of schools, who is pushing soccer in St Marks Warrenpoint? They seem to be playing a game every day. Do Warrenpoint Town FC help them out as they seem to be good at it.

Increased numbers doesn't automatically transmit to success. As mentioned, there are other factors that feed in to this.

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« Reply #39477 on: November 25, 2022, 11:52:37 AM »
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they arenít at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skillís & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as itís easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

You have that a little backwards, it's Down GAA that should be helping the primary schools (and put in place structures for their associated clubs to become more involved where possible), that's where Down can improve.

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« Reply #39478 on: November 25, 2022, 12:14:30 PM »
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they arenít at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skillís & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as itís easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

You have that a little backwards, it's Down GAA that should be helping the primary schools (and put in place structures for their associated clubs to become more involved where possible), that's where Down can improve.

But Down do help with the primary schools and they want to help in secondary but are not allowed to.

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« Reply #39479 on: November 25, 2022, 01:34:44 PM »
I see Clonduff have announced Adrian Cush and another fella as their new management team.  The Clonduff people must want a cure for Insomnia.