Drink Driving

[Mikhail Prokhorov]

It's time to put alcolocks on the ignitions

The technology is already there

Anyone who overrides it for a drunk driver-immediate jail time

Would you support mandatory speed limiters of 120kph/75mph on all vehicles too?

I know I would.

Not a chance. Modern cars can sit at 100mph plus very easily.

Would be in favour of the alcoclocks thing though

Good to see some posters haven't changed since 2015. In summary, man under any influence of alcohol is a menace to society, but man driving at speed kills no one.

It's amazing how some public health marketing campaigns work, and others do not.

to be honest it just depends on the person and circumstances. I know people that I'd trust to drive safer after 12 pints than some people do sober. Similarly there are people I could sit beside doing 120+ and feel safer than I would doing 40 mph. 70mph is a ridiculously low speed limit. Try sitting in the fast lane of a motorway at 70 and see how you get on

christ the night, what a statement 

but altogether typical

in fact scratch that, the whole post is outrageous lol

[David McKeown]

ITV had an interesting documentary years ago about the effects of alcohol on individuals. They got 20 people. Had them drink different amounts in different time frames then drive on a simulator.

The results were fascinating some people were more than double the limit on a glass of wine others were under after a number of pints. It depending on myriad of factors such as age height weight metabolism, gender etc.

The one thing that was clear was that alcohol had some impact on everyone's driving and wasn't to be encouraged

[Never beat the deeler]

"The current drink-driving limit is a BAC of 50mg. This means 50 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood. For professional, learner and novice drivers the limit is a BAC of 20mg. Most people will have a BAC of 20 to 50mg after 1 standard drink."

From the HSE website.  No one should be driving after 6 alcoholic drinks.

according to Drinkaware.ie the limits for a blood test and a urine test are slightly different
it 67 milligrammes of alcohol per 100ml of urine  

This was urine sample of 414mg of alcohol per 100ml .. so a rough calculation is just over 3 pints would get you there .. not quite 'an enormous amount of alcohol' as the article states.. but i'm sure time & body size etc all affect this.

No one should be driving after half a pint if they want to stay within the law

It's not linear like that. The body processes alcohol at different rates as the volume of alcohol increases.
https://www.verywellmind.com/bac-and-drink-conversions-for-men-by-weight-22481#:~:text=After%2015%20drinks%2C%20the%20BAC,of%20cardiac%20or%20respiratory%20arrest.
Obviously a lot of variables in how each body processes alcohol, but according to this article, a reading of 0.45 is considered fatal for adults.
They talk about 15 drinks for a BAC of 0.3. It is unclear what they are referring to as a drink.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/business-and-industry/heavy-vehicle-industry/preventing-alcohol-and-drug-related-harm-on-our-roads/employers-and-employees/blood-alcohol-concentration-levels
This article from Victoria in Aus, refers to 9-18 drinks to result in BAC of 0.15-0.30, noting that in Australia a standard drink is defined as 10g of alcohol


A pint of Guinness at 4.2% ABV would be equivalent to 1.83 standard drinks, so 15-18 standards would be somewhere around 8-10 pints.


Noting from both articles, you would be very drunk with a BAC of 0.3

[general_lee]

It's time to put alcolocks on the ignitions

The technology is already there

Anyone who overrides it for a drunk driver-immediate jail time

Would you support mandatory speed limiters of 120kph/75mph on all vehicles too?

I know I would.

Not a chance. Modern cars can sit at 100mph plus very easily.

Would be in favour of the alcoclocks thing though

Good to see some posters haven't changed since 2015. In summary, man under any influence of alcohol is a menace to society, but man driving at speed kills no one.

It's amazing how some public health marketing campaigns work, and others do not.

to be honest it just depends on the person and circumstances. I know people that I'd trust to drive safer after 12 pints than some people do sober. Similarly there are people I could sit beside doing 120+ and feel safer than I would doing 40 mph. 70mph is a ridiculously low speed limit. Try sitting in the fast lane of a motorway at 70 and see how you get on

christ the night, what a statement 

but altogether typical

in fact scratch that, the whole post is outrageous lol

I remember reading somewhere that a speed limit increase was discussed before but because so many cars do 80mph on motorways anyway they just kept it at 70.

[David McKeown]

It's time to put alcolocks on the ignitions

The technology is already there

Anyone who overrides it for a drunk driver-immediate jail time

Would you support mandatory speed limiters of 120kph/75mph on all vehicles too?

I know I would.

Not a chance. Modern cars can sit at 100mph plus very easily.

Would be in favour of the alcoclocks thing though

Good to see some posters haven't changed since 2015. In summary, man under any influence of alcohol is a menace to society, but man driving at speed kills no one.

It's amazing how some public health marketing campaigns work, and others do not.

to be honest it just depends on the person and circumstances. I know people that I'd trust to drive safer after 12 pints than some people do sober. Similarly there are people I could sit beside doing 120+ and feel safer than I would doing 40 mph. 70mph is a ridiculously low speed limit. Try sitting in the fast lane of a motorway at 70 and see how you get on

christ the night, what a statement 

but altogether typical

in fact scratch that, the whole post is outrageous lol

I remember reading somewhere that a speed limit increase was discussed before but because so many cars do 80mph on motorways anyway they just kept it at 70.

What would be a big help would be education as to how to drive at higher speeds. Bit nuts that people are told that after a year and with no training or testing you can go from 45 to 70. Do they still do the P plates thing in England where after you did your test you could receive specialist training on motorways but you had to display a P plate. The training obviously cost you but you soon recouped it through lower insurance premiums

[general_lee]

It's time to put alcolocks on the ignitions

The technology is already there

Anyone who overrides it for a drunk driver-immediate jail time

Would you support mandatory speed limiters of 120kph/75mph on all vehicles too?

I know I would.

Not a chance. Modern cars can sit at 100mph plus very easily.

Would be in favour of the alcoclocks thing though

Good to see some posters haven't changed since 2015. In summary, man under any influence of alcohol is a menace to society, but man driving at speed kills no one.

It's amazing how some public health marketing campaigns work, and others do not.

to be honest it just depends on the person and circumstances. I know people that I'd trust to drive safer after 12 pints than some people do sober. Similarly there are people I could sit beside doing 120+ and feel safer than I would doing 40 mph. 70mph is a ridiculously low speed limit. Try sitting in the fast lane of a motorway at 70 and see how you get on

christ the night, what a statement 

but altogether typical

in fact scratch that, the whole post is outrageous lol

I remember reading somewhere that a speed limit increase was discussed before but because so many cars do 80mph on motorways anyway they just kept it at 70.

What would be a big help would be education as to how to drive at higher speeds. Bit nuts that people are told that after a year and with no training or testing you can go from 45 to 70. Do they still do the P plates thing in England where after you did your test you could receive specialist training on motorways but you had to display a P plate. The training obviously cost you but you soon recouped it through lower insurance premiums

It's mad to think learners aren't allowed on the motorway until they've passed their test... at which point they're then expected to be able to deal with that level of driving. 45mph is far too slow for motorway driving, this hasn't changed in decades yet the safety capabilities of cars has. It should be mandatory for learners to go on motorways as part of their test.

[Milltown Row2]

Learners can drive on dual carriageways which are 70mph?

[Armagh18]

Learners can drive on dual carriageways which are 70mph?

Yeah but restricted to 45mph. Absolute hazard.

[Milltown Row2]

Learners can drive on dual carriageways which are 70mph?

Yeah but restricted to 45mph. Absolute hazard.

Tractors a Hazard too then?

[Armagh18]

Learners can drive on dual carriageways which are 70mph?

Yeah but restricted to 45mph. Absolute hazard.

Tractors a Hazard too then?

on a dual carriageway? Definitely. Bit easier to spot a tractor than an L plate though lol

[J70]

Learners can drive on dual carriageways which are 70mph?

Yeah but restricted to 45mph. Absolute hazard.

Tractors a Hazard too then?

Are tractors allowed on roads like that?

They would absolutely be a hazard.

[Armagh18]

Learners can drive on dual carriageways which are 70mph?

Yeah but restricted to 45mph. Absolute hazard.

Tractors a Hazard too then?

Are tractors allowed on roads like that?

They would absolutely be a hazard.

Allowed on dual carriageway but not motorway as far as I know

[armaghniac]

Learners can drive on dual carriageways which are 70mph?

Yeah but restricted to 45mph. Absolute hazard.

Tractors a Hazard too then?

Are tractors allowed on roads like that?

They would absolutely be a hazard.

In the ROI, they have built and designated roads as motorways, which restricts traffic. In the North, they do not designate roads as motorways even when built to that standard, like the Newry bypass, and so you can have tractors, scooters etc quite legally. The North also allow the same speed limit on many parts of a shite dualler, like the A1, as an actual motorway.The 26 counties has a more reasonable approach to this.
However, large tractors do get on motorways as they now exceed the restricted speed. This needs to looked at.

[J70]

Even if they can exceed the minimum speeds, can those large modern tractors slow down safely, especially with machinery attached, when in traffic?

Could see all kinds of issues with skidding, overturning and jack-knifing.

[AustinPowers]

It's time to put alcolocks on the ignitions

The technology is already there

Anyone who overrides it for a drunk driver-immediate jail time

Would you support mandatory speed limiters of 120kph/75mph on all vehicles too?

I know I would.

Not a chance. Modern cars can sit at 100mph plus very easily.

Would be in favour of the alcoclocks thing though

Good to see some posters haven't changed since 2015. In summary, man under any influence of alcohol is a menace to society, but man driving at speed kills no one.

It's amazing how some public health marketing campaigns work, and others do not.

to be honest it just depends on the person and circumstances. I know people that I'd trust to drive safer after 12 pints than some people do sober. Similarly there are people I could sit beside doing 120+ and feel safer than I would doing 40 mph. 70mph is a ridiculously low speed limit. Try sitting in the fast lane of a motorway at 70 and see how you get on

christ the night, what a statement 

but altogether typical

in fact scratch that, the whole post is outrageous lol

I remember reading somewhere that a speed limit increase was discussed before but because so many cars do 80mph on motorways anyway they just kept it at 70.

What would be a big help would be education as to how to drive at higher speeds. Bit nuts that people are told that after a year and with no training or testing you can go from 45 to 70. Do they still do the P plates thing in England where after you did your test you could receive specialist training on motorways but you had to display a P plate. The training obviously cost you but you soon recouped it through lower insurance premiums

Just  because you're  suddenly   allowed to hit 70,  doesn't  mean you should. 70 isn't a target to aim for . I would rarely if ever  , go above 65  on a motorway .