Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[dublin7]

Up to 29 dead in Norway now from the vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

Can you post a link for your claim? The link you posted says 29 elderly people who were vaccinated have died.

[Angelo]

Up to 29 dead in Norway now from the vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

Can you post a link for your claim? The link you posted says 29 elderly people who were vaccinated have died.

Wow.

Complete and utter double standards.

"all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine," the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

29 dead from the vaccine. They didn't have Covid though so they probably deserved to die in your eyes. As long as big pharma can make a few quid everything is alright in your eyes, you are amoral.

[dublin7]

Up to 29 dead in Norway now from the vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

Can you post a link for your claim? The link you posted says 29 elderly people who were vaccinated have died.

Wow.

Complete and utter double standards.

"all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine," the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

29 dead from the vaccine. They didn't have Covid though so they probably deserved to die in your eyes. As long as big pharma can make a few quid everything is alright in your eyes, you are amoral.

Do you even read the articles before you link them? Clearly not. Disappointed, but not surprised

[Angelo]

Up to 29 dead in Norway now from the vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

Can you post a link for your claim? The link you posted says 29 elderly people who were vaccinated have died.

Wow.

Complete and utter double standards.

"all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine," the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

29 dead from the vaccine. They didn't have Covid though so they probably deserved to die in your eyes. As long as big pharma can make a few quid everything is alright in your eyes, you are amoral.

Do you even read the articles before you link them? Clearly not. Disappointed, but not surprised

I did. Clearly you didn't.

Have you any actual point to make other than ignore facts and blindly defend the indefensible. You have a habit of ignoring the matter of the debate and using vague, empty statements to deflect away from the debate.

The article is quite clear, this vaccine has been linked to the deaths of 29 people in Norway.

And you are the same naive mug who defended the manufacturer of this vaccine profiteering off rushing it through. I have been vindicated once again here.

The vaccine seems to cause as much damage to the demograph most at risk from Covid as the virus itself does.

What is the upside of the vaccine? Apart from enriching majority shareholders and boardroom executives of big pharma.

[Main Street]

Could it be that drug companies are up to their old tricks in the trials/tesing the efficacy of their drugs and not disclosing full accurate information about those trials?
Peter Doshi: poses serious  questions about  Pfizer and Moderna's claims of  "95% effective" vaccines in an article in the BMJ
https://tinyurl.com/y62nggy4

This information was not released to the public but was found among 400 pages of summary data presented to the FDA
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42

Page 42  Only a 19% better chance of not testing positive
There were "3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group."
A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, "would be a relative risk reduction of 19% far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization

That means with the vaccine  inside you, you have a 19% better chance of  not testing positive in a pcr covid test  and that's "far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization"


Page 18  Imbalance in exclusion  and no explanation
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=18
What is concerning is the imbalance between randomized groups in the number of these excluded individuals: 311 from the vaccine group vs 60 on placebo. (In contrast, in Moderna's trial, there were just 36 participants excluded from the efficacy analysis for "major protocol deviation"—12 vaccine group vs 24 placebo group.)


Fever and pain medications, unblinding,

Pain and fever medications to treat symptoms, such drugs could mask symptoms, leading to underdetection of covid-19 cases,   these medicines were taken around 3–4 times more often in vaccine versus placebo recipients (at least for Pfizer's vaccine—

[Angelo]

Could it be that drug companies are up to their old tricks in the trials/tesing the efficacy of their drugs and not disclosing full accurate information about those trials?
Peter Doshi: poses serious  questions about  Pfizer and Moderna's claims of  "95% effective" vaccines in an article in the BMJ
https://tinyurl.com/y62nggy4

This information was not released to the public but was found among 400 pages of summary data presented to the FDA
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42

Page 42  Only a 19% better chance of not testing positive
There were "3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group."
A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, "would be a relative risk reduction of 19% far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization

That means with the vaccine  inside you, you have a 19% better chance of  not testing positive in a pcr covid test  and that's "far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization"


Page 18  Imbalance in exclusion  and no explanation
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=18
What is concerning is the imbalance between randomized groups in the number of these excluded individuals: 311 from the vaccine group vs 60 on placebo. (In contrast, in Moderna's trial, there were just 36 participants excluded from the efficacy analysis for "major protocol deviation"—12 vaccine group vs 24 placebo group.)


Fever and pain medications, unblinding,

Pain and fever medications to treat symptoms, such drugs could mask symptoms, leading to underdetection of covid-19 cases,   these medicines were taken around 3–4 times more often in vaccine versus placebo recipients (at least for Pfizer's vaccine—

Well who'd have thought that.

A lot of posters on here are going to look like prize idiots in the coming years, thankfully I won't be one of them.

[restorepride]

Could it be that drug companies are up to their old tricks in the trials/tesing the efficacy of their drugs and not disclosing full accurate information about those trials?
Peter Doshi: poses serious  questions about  Pfizer and Moderna's claims of  "95% effective" vaccines in an article in the BMJ
https://tinyurl.com/y62nggy4

This information was not released to the public but was found among 400 pages of summary data presented to the FDA
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42

Page 42  Only a 19% better chance of not testing positive
There were "3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group."
A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, "would be a relative risk reduction of 19% far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization

That means with the vaccine  inside you, you have a 19% better chance of  not testing positive in a pcr covid test  and that's "far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization"


Page 18  Imbalance in exclusion  and no explanation
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=18
What is concerning is the imbalance between randomized groups in the number of these excluded individuals: 311 from the vaccine group vs 60 on placebo. (In contrast, in Moderna's trial, there were just 36 participants excluded from the efficacy analysis for "major protocol deviation"—12 vaccine group vs 24 placebo group.)


Fever and pain medications, unblinding,

Pain and fever medications to treat symptoms, such drugs could mask symptoms, leading to underdetection of covid-19 cases,   these medicines were taken around 3–4 times more often in vaccine versus placebo recipients (at least for Pfizer's vaccine—

Well who'd have thought that.

A lot of posters on here are going to look like prize idiots in the coming years, thankfully I won't be one of them.

Some posters will be delighted that you are leaving!

[Angelo]

Could it be that drug companies are up to their old tricks in the trials/tesing the efficacy of their drugs and not disclosing full accurate information about those trials?
Peter Doshi: poses serious  questions about  Pfizer and Moderna's claims of  "95% effective" vaccines in an article in the BMJ
https://tinyurl.com/y62nggy4

This information was not released to the public but was found among 400 pages of summary data presented to the FDA
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42

Page 42  Only a 19% better chance of not testing positive
There were "3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group."
A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, "would be a relative risk reduction of 19% far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization

That means with the vaccine  inside you, you have a 19% better chance of  not testing positive in a pcr covid test  and that's "far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization"


Page 18  Imbalance in exclusion  and no explanation
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=18
What is concerning is the imbalance between randomized groups in the number of these excluded individuals: 311 from the vaccine group vs 60 on placebo. (In contrast, in Moderna's trial, there were just 36 participants excluded from the efficacy analysis for "major protocol deviation"—12 vaccine group vs 24 placebo group.)


Fever and pain medications, unblinding,

Pain and fever medications to treat symptoms, such drugs could mask symptoms, leading to underdetection of covid-19 cases,   these medicines were taken around 3–4 times more often in vaccine versus placebo recipients (at least for Pfizer's vaccine—

Well who'd have thought that.

A lot of posters on here are going to look like prize idiots in the coming years, thankfully I won't be one of them.

Some posters will be delighted that you are leaving!

I'd imagine a lot of posters would love that. They might have a free run at talking all the utter bollocks they want then with nobody to hold them to account.

[restorepride]

Could it be that drug companies are up to their old tricks in the trials/tesing the efficacy of their drugs and not disclosing full accurate information about those trials?
Peter Doshi: poses serious  questions about  Pfizer and Moderna's claims of  "95% effective" vaccines in an article in the BMJ
https://tinyurl.com/y62nggy4

This information was not released to the public but was found among 400 pages of summary data presented to the FDA
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42

Page 42  Only a 19% better chance of not testing positive
There were "3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group."
A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, "would be a relative risk reduction of 19% far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization

That means with the vaccine  inside you, you have a 19% better chance of  not testing positive in a pcr covid test  and that's "far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization"


Page 18  Imbalance in exclusion  and no explanation
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=18
What is concerning is the imbalance between randomized groups in the number of these excluded individuals: 311 from the vaccine group vs 60 on placebo. (In contrast, in Moderna's trial, there were just 36 participants excluded from the efficacy analysis for "major protocol deviation"—12 vaccine group vs 24 placebo group.)


Fever and pain medications, unblinding,

Pain and fever medications to treat symptoms, such drugs could mask symptoms, leading to underdetection of covid-19 cases,   these medicines were taken around 3–4 times more often in vaccine versus placebo recipients (at least for Pfizer's vaccine—

Well who'd have thought that.

A lot of posters on here are going to look like prize idiots in the coming years, thankfully I won't be one of them.

Some posters will be delighted that you are leaving!

I'd imagine a lot of posters would love that. They might have a free run at talking all the utter bollocks they want then with nobody to hold them to account.

Do you actually take this stuff seriously?  It is a discussion board ffs.  Entertainment!

[dublin7]

Up to 29 dead in Norway now from the vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

Can you post a link for your claim? The link you posted says 29 elderly people who were vaccinated have died.

Wow.

Complete and utter double standards.

"all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine," the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

29 dead from the vaccine. They didn't have Covid though so they probably deserved to die in your eyes. As long as big pharma can make a few quid everything is alright in your eyes, you are amoral.

Do you even read the articles before you link them? Clearly not. Disappointed, but not surprised

I did. Clearly you didn't.

Have you any actual point to make other than ignore facts and blindly defend the indefensible. You have a habit of ignoring the matter of the debate and using vague, empty statements to deflect away from the debate.

The article is quite clear, this vaccine has been linked to the deaths of 29 people in Norway.

And you are the same naive mug who defended the manufacturer of this vaccine profiteering off rushing it through. I have been vindicated once again here.

The vaccine seems to cause as much damage to the demograph most at risk from Covid as the virus itself does.

What is the upside of the vaccine? Apart from enriching majority shareholders and boardroom executives of big pharma.

Can you post the quote or the article where they clearly said the deaths are the vaccines fault? It's not on the one you linked.

[Angelo]

Up to 29 dead in Norway now from the vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

Can you post a link for your claim? The link you posted says 29 elderly people who were vaccinated have died.

Wow.

Complete and utter double standards.

"all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine," the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

29 dead from the vaccine. They didn't have Covid though so they probably deserved to die in your eyes. As long as big pharma can make a few quid everything is alright in your eyes, you are amoral.

Do you even read the articles before you link them? Clearly not. Disappointed, but not surprised

I did. Clearly you didn't.

Have you any actual point to make other than ignore facts and blindly defend the indefensible. You have a habit of ignoring the matter of the debate and using vague, empty statements to deflect away from the debate.

The article is quite clear, this vaccine has been linked to the deaths of 29 people in Norway.

And you are the same naive mug who defended the manufacturer of this vaccine profiteering off rushing it through. I have been vindicated once again here.

The vaccine seems to cause as much damage to the demograph most at risk from Covid as the virus itself does.

What is the upside of the vaccine? Apart from enriching majority shareholders and boardroom executives of big pharma.

Can you post the quote or the article where they clearly said the deaths are the vaccines fault? It's not on the one you linked.

Wow.


The double standards once again.

60 deaths attributed to Covid in your little statelet today, the median age 85. You going to question relentlessly whether those deaths were as a result of Covid or do you only try and absolve billion dollar pharmaceutical companies when it comes to the death of the elderly?

You could address the issues but your level of discourse is quite shameful. If you are going to act morally superior then I'd expect you to carry your standards equally across the board.

[Main Street]

There are blatant and  obvious observations expressed from the Norway authorities about the vaccine and the most elderly

The Norwegian Institute of Public Health judges that "for those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences. For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant."

Most (elderly)  people have experienced the expected side effects of the vaccine, such as nausea and vomiting, fever, local reactions at the injection site, and worsening of their underlying condition."

In the paperwork with each vaccine  in regards to side effects, some 10% experienced these side effects in the trials.   But in Norway with ina certain age group, everybody experiences these effects.

[Milltown Row2]

Can't wait to take vaccine next week, think it's a game changer.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.livemint.com/news/world/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-after-23-people-die/amp-11610778473019.html

Maybe not giving it to frail and sick patients is the way forward. If you read the whole article it'll give a proper insight to these deaths.

If you read the headline (like the Karen's of this world) then you're dumb

[Angelo]

Can't wait to take vaccine next week, think it's a game changer.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.livemint.com/news/world/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-after-23-people-die/amp-11610778473019.html

Maybe not giving it to frail and sick patients is the way forward. If you read the whole article it'll give a proper insight to these deaths.

If you read the headline (like the Karen's of this world) then you're dumb

Yeah, the demograph most impacted by Covid are the ones who are being killed by the supposed cure.

If ever a contribution summed you up it's the type of post you have just done, amazing how you can blend your stupidity in with misplaced arrogance so seamlessly.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Up to 29 dead in Norway now from the vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

Norway has given at least one dose to about 33,000 people, focusing on those considered to be most at risk if they contract the virus, including the elderly.

23/33000 = 0.09%

Current case mortality rate for a comparable group is likely to be between 5 and 10%.

So the vaccine is only around 5000 times safer then. [I suppose, to be fair, it remains to be seen whether anyone from the vaccinated group gets (and dies from) COVID or not]