Outstanding athlete, outstanding rugby player.
But, this thread is about the man and his views.
Everyone has the right to their views, rightly so, Folau views on gay marriage / gay people due to religious beliefs have caused more than some trouble on a number of occasions now.
Is there a place for this in the modern world? Qantas are furious but Australian Rugby has essentially given him a slap on the wrist.
Australia has just legalised same sex marriage - David Pocock has and is a major public figure in that campaign. An interesting side note when they meet up for Wallaby duty.
Started the thread really to see what people thought of Folau's actions and, maybe, a welcome change from the rugby troubles at home that have been much publicised.
I have no tolerance for intolerance hidden behind religion. It is no longer an acceptable excuse.
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2018, 02:58:13 PM
I have no tolerance for intolerance...
There is a paradox if ever I saw one!
He shouldn't publicise his views on gay people. It's not that they have any choice about having a different sexuality.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 10, 2018, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2018, 02:58:13 PM
I have no tolerance for intolerance...
There is a paradox if ever I saw one!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)
"The paradox of tolerance was described by Karl Popper in 1945. The paradox states that if a society is tolerant without limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Popper came to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance."
i really dont give a flying continental what he thinks
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:17:15 PM
i really dont give a flying continental what he thinks
Why take the time to comment then?
His views, religious as they may be, are wrong
Disagree with him entirely but he is entitled to his own opinions. He's also entitled to express them - particularly in a personal format. If he starts inciting action against people whose lifestyle he disagrees with then that's a different matter.
Qantas are threatening to withdraw their sponsorship of the Wallabies over Folau's comments. Several commentators have pointed out the hypocrisy from an airline that is in partnership with Emirates, an airline from a country where homosexuality is illegal.
That's how principles work in this capitalist world. If I'm paying you'd better abide by my principles or else.... If you're paying we can abide by yours.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 10, 2018, 10:28:43 PM
Disagree with him entirely but he is entitled to his own opinions. He's also entitled to express them - particularly in a personal format. If he starts inciting action against people whose lifestyle he disagrees with then that's a different matter.
+1
Quote from: Asal Mor on April 14, 2018, 09:12:00 AM
Qantas are threatening to withdraw their sponsorship of the Wallabies over Folau's comments. Several commentators have pointed out the hypocrisy from an airline that is in partnership with Emirates, an airline from a country where homosexuality is illegal.
That's how principles work in this capitalist world. If I'm paying you'd better abide by my principles or else.... If you're paying we can abide by yours.
Quantas CEO is homosexual. Originally from Dublin
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 10, 2018, 10:28:43 PM
Disagree with him entirely but he is entitled to his own opinions. He's also entitled to express them - particularly in a personal format. If he starts inciting action against people whose lifestyle he disagrees with then that's a different matter.
Think this hits the nail on the head.
Talk he's off to the NRL now as a response.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 10, 2018, 10:28:43 PM
Disagree with him entirely but he is entitled to his own opinions. He's also entitled to express them - particularly in a personal format. If he starts inciting action against people whose lifestyle he disagrees with then that's a different matter.
No one is entitled to opinion without consequence. If he wants to hold those views he should expect a reaction as they are counter to the values of the western society he benefits from.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 10, 2018, 10:28:43 PM
Disagree with him entirely but he is entitled to his own opinions. He's also entitled to express them - particularly in a personal format. If he starts inciting action against people whose lifestyle he disagrees with then that's a different matter.
Of course he's entitled to his opinions.
But, like Mr. Jackson and Mr. Olding, if he wants to express such opinions or behave in a certain way without sanction, he shouldn't then freely sign a contract containing behavioural clauses or adherence to a code of conduct which, if broken, will result in sanction.
That's called trying to have your cake
and eat it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50455162
QuoteFolau, who is Christian, gave a sermon in his Sydney church on Sunday in which he said Australia's decision to pass abortion and same-sex marriage laws had gone against "God's word", adding the nation needed to "repent".
"Look how rapid, these bushfires, these droughts, all these things have come, in a short period of time. You think it's a coincidence or not?," he said.
His comments sparked outrage from many Australians online, who noted the widespread devastation of the fires.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 18, 2019, 08:22:12 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50455162
QuoteFolau, who is Christian, gave a sermon in his Sydney church on Sunday in which he said Australia's decision to pass abortion and same-sex marriage laws had gone against "God's word", adding the nation needed to "repent".
"Look how rapid, these bushfires, these droughts, all these things have come, in a short period of time. You think it's a coincidence or not?," he said.
His comments sparked outrage from many Australians online, who noted the widespread devastation of the fires.
The Televangelist nutters in the US are great at blaming earthquakes, hurricanes, 9/11 etc on people they disapprove of, usually gays and liberals.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 10, 2018, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2018, 02:58:13 PM
I have no tolerance for intolerance...
There is a paradox if ever I saw one!
Orangemen: "We oppose the Roman catholic church and all it stands for! The Pope is the Antichrist and should be hung! Roman catholics are going to hell!! Any Orangeman that marries a papist will be expelled from the order!"
Garvaghy Road residents: "Fine. You're not welcome in our area. Take a detour on the way back into town."
Orangemen: "Hey now! What happened to religious freedom? How about a bit of tolerance for those of us who have a different faith from you?"
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 18, 2019, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 10, 2018, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2018, 02:58:13 PM
I have no tolerance for intolerance...
There is a paradox if ever I saw one!
Orangemen: "We oppose the Roman catholic church and all it stands for! The Pope is the Antichrist and should be hung! Roman catholics are going to hell!! Any Orangeman that marries a papist will be expelled from the order!"
Garvaghy Road residents: "Fine. You're not welcome in our area. Take a detour on the way back into town."
Orangemen: "Hey now! What happened to religious freedom? How about a bit of tolerance for those of us who have a different faith from you?"
Sums it up.
He's signed with the Catalan Dragons of Super League
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPXr6PyU0AgXiRt?format=jpg&name=900x900)
to which this happened
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPXr6QAUEAInrfD?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Signed under a social media ban I have read, probably for the best. You'd have to imagine he's going to take a bit of abuse going forward.
Kudos to Wigan on that one. Class.
Is it a wise approach by Wigan though?
Now the match is going to be all about him.
His dinosaur views are on the decline. I'm sure Wigan can make it clear they're LGBT-friendly without the media circus around one game and thus dude.
Or maybe they're right.
What if Folau plays a blinder and Dragons hammer Wigan?