China Coronavirus

[Angelo]

There is a very good reason for that Angelo.

Complaince is waning, just think what will happen if the news all of sudden reports that most people who go into hospital get it from there.

The save the health service message dies.

So the government shifts the blame to the people to cover their own failings?

This should be major news, there are many people impacted by lockdowns and is the reason for lockdowns and all these restrictions that are having a huge effect on people's lives more government incompetence than anything else?

[five points]

There is a very good reason for that Angelo.

Complaince is waning, just think what will happen if the news all of sudden reports that most people who go into hospital get it from there.

The save the health service message dies.

The same cover-up was going on last spring when compliance levels were high. I know of people who died as a result of it.

[GetOverTheBar]

There is a very good reason for that Angelo.

Complaince is waning, just think what will happen if the news all of sudden reports that most people who go into hospital get it from there.

The save the health service message dies.

So the government shifts the blame to the people to cover their own failings?

This should be major news, there are many people impacted by lockdowns and is the reason for lockdowns and all these restrictions that are having a huge effect on people's lives more government incompetence than anything else?

That's the reality of life, that's what they've always done. Sooner or later the people will get pushed too far by that message. I can see it coming, maybe not this month or next, but basically everyone and everything has been locked up that can be.

The Govt have little to no wriggle room from here. I expect you'll soon start to hear a different tune coming. You don't hear them talk much about track and trace anymore, it's shifted to "the vaccine is the way out".

Why should the vaccine have ever been the way out? Track and trace was supposed to fill the void and get the show on the road after the first lockdown and it was an abysmal failure.

There is nothing wrong with questioning your Government. In some respects, I think this might be the thing that finally breaks up Green and Orange politics in the North. I've never seen such unison in their distain between both to Stormont as right now. 

[Milltown Row2]

Up to 18% is being caught in hospitals in various different areas, my own mother in law (whos was in for open heart surgery) caught it in hospital, luckily for her see developed no symptoms and only for going for an operation would never have known she caught it.

So there are a few ways of looking at this, the hospitals are over run and seriously under funded to put measures in place to stop the spread of covid

Staff are under pressure and at the end of the shift have to go home and still do the normal things that people outside of these jobs do, and most people are catching this outside of the hospital, so the main source of infection is transmission locally.

Is the virus that potent that whatever measures are put in place in hospitals its managing to thrive in those conditions? So, indoors, vulnerable people, weak immune systems, I could go on.. Its not the best place to combat a deadly virus

The problems are vast, there is no easy fix to stop transmission within that type of environment.

The government (all of them, Labour, Tories) have all dropped the ball with putting money back into the NHS, this is a problem before covid and highlighted even more so now.

[Angelo]

There is a very good reason for that Angelo.

Complaince is waning, just think what will happen if the news all of sudden reports that most people who go into hospital get it from there.

The save the health service message dies.

So the government shifts the blame to the people to cover their own failings?

This should be major news, there are many people impacted by lockdowns and is the reason for lockdowns and all these restrictions that are having a huge effect on people's lives more government incompetence than anything else?

That's the reality of life, that's what they've always done. Sooner or later the people will get pushed too far by that message. I can see it coming, maybe not this month or next, but basically everyone and everything has been locked up that can be.

The Govt have little to no wriggle room from here. I expect you'll soon start to hear a different tune coming. You don't hear them talk much about track and trace anymore, it's shifted to "the vaccine is the way out".

Why should the vaccine have ever been the way out? Track and trace was supposed to fill the void and get the show on the road after the first lockdown and it was an abysmal failure.

There is nothing wrong with questioning your Government. In some respects, I think this might be the thing that finally breaks up Green and Orange politics in the North. I've never seen such unison in their distain between both to Stormont as right now.

It's going to build.

There has already been mass protests in the Netherlands and Greece with huge amounts of people out on the streets. Businesses in Italy are now going to start defying lockdown measures. The people have had enough really, for the most part we have done our bit. We have locked ourselves away for the guts of a year while governments made the wrong choices/sat on their arses/tried to shift the blame on the people. There is growing discontent, whether it will spread to that level over here I don't know.

[Redhand Santa]

There is a very good reason for that Angelo.

Complaince is waning, just think what will happen if the news all of sudden reports that most people who go into hospital get it from there.

The save the health service message dies.

So the government shifts the blame to the people to cover their own failings?

This should be major news, there are many people impacted by lockdowns and is the reason for lockdowns and all these restrictions that are having a huge effect on people's lives more government incompetence than anything else?

That's the reality of life, that's what they've always done. Sooner or later the people will get pushed too far by that message. I can see it coming, maybe not this month or next, but basically everyone and everything has been locked up that can be.

The Govt have little to no wriggle room from here. I expect you'll soon start to hear a different tune coming. You don't hear them talk much about track and trace anymore, it's shifted to "the vaccine is the way out".

Why should the vaccine have ever been the way out? Track and trace was supposed to fill the void and get the show on the road after the first lockdown and it was an abysmal failure.

There is nothing wrong with questioning your Government. In some respects, I think this might be the thing that finally breaks up Green and Orange politics in the North. I've never seen such unison in their distain between both to Stormont as right now.

It's going to build.

There has already been mass protests in the Netherlands and Greece with huge amounts of people out on the streets. Businesses in Italy are now going to start defying lockdown measures. The people have had enough really, for the most part we have done our bit. We have locked ourselves away for the guts of a year while governments made the wrong choices/sat on their arses/tried to shift the blame on the people. There is growing discontent, whether it will spread to that level over here I don't know.

The evidence is clear as to what happens when people let their guard down and freely mix indoors from Christmas. Massive spike in number and deaths.

So far in the North in the first 3 weeks of January there have been 294 deaths above the 5 year average for those weeks (and that includes the famous flu season that you keep referring to). That is a 25 per cent increase on the average.

That has come on the back of people letting their guard down a bit for a few weeks over Christmas. But it still wasn't mixing like would normally be done. Imagine the chaos if everyone stopped wearing masks, stopped keeping distance, started mixing freely in large numbers in crowded bars/concerts, packed into indoor offices, visited extended family etc. Those numbers came on the back of people mainly only mixing with immediate family and bars etc closed.

If the government did what some people called for and opened everything up. Hospitals wouldn't cope and there would be huge excess death. Then the same people would come back complaining about the government letting it happen despite warnings from health officials.

[Angelo]

There is a very good reason for that Angelo.

Complaince is waning, just think what will happen if the news all of sudden reports that most people who go into hospital get it from there.

The save the health service message dies.

So the government shifts the blame to the people to cover their own failings?

This should be major news, there are many people impacted by lockdowns and is the reason for lockdowns and all these restrictions that are having a huge effect on people's lives more government incompetence than anything else?

That's the reality of life, that's what they've always done. Sooner or later the people will get pushed too far by that message. I can see it coming, maybe not this month or next, but basically everyone and everything has been locked up that can be.

The Govt have little to no wriggle room from here. I expect you'll soon start to hear a different tune coming. You don't hear them talk much about track and trace anymore, it's shifted to "the vaccine is the way out".

Why should the vaccine have ever been the way out? Track and trace was supposed to fill the void and get the show on the road after the first lockdown and it was an abysmal failure.

There is nothing wrong with questioning your Government. In some respects, I think this might be the thing that finally breaks up Green and Orange politics in the North. I've never seen such unison in their distain between both to Stormont as right now.

It's going to build.

There has already been mass protests in the Netherlands and Greece with huge amounts of people out on the streets. Businesses in Italy are now going to start defying lockdown measures. The people have had enough really, for the most part we have done our bit. We have locked ourselves away for the guts of a year while governments made the wrong choices/sat on their arses/tried to shift the blame on the people. There is growing discontent, whether it will spread to that level over here I don't know.

The evidence is clear as to what happens when people let their guard down and freely mix indoors from Christmas. Massive spike in number and deaths.

So far in the North in the first 3 weeks of January there have been 294 deaths above the 5 year average for those weeks (and that includes the famous flu season that you keep referring to). That is a 25 per cent increase on the average.

That has come on the back of people letting their guard down a bit for a few weeks over Christmas. But it still wasn't mixing like would normally be done. Imagine the chaos if everyone stopped wearing masks, stopped keeping distance, started mixing freely in large numbers in crowded bars/concerts, packed into indoor offices, visited extended family etc. Those numbers came on the back of people mainly only mixing with immediate family and bars etc closed.

If the government did what some people called for and opened everything up. Hospitals wouldn't cope and there would be huge excess death. Then the same people would come back complaining about the government letting it happen despite warnings from health officials.

The figures are clear, the virus poses little threat to the population under 60, absolutely minimal threat to the population under 40. The at risk category are the elderly and underlying health conditions so when the virus spreads so quickly in hospitals to people who are in the most vulnerable category then it is a national scandal and one that seems to have been buried.

[Redhand Santa]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

[Angelo]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

[GetOverTheBar]

Hopefully.....hopefully.....this thread will be dead before we get to 1000 pages of near insanity.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-johnson-johnsons-single-shot-vaccine-85-effective-against-most-severe-symptoms-12202200

These vaccines are now coming fast. It's not surreal at this stage now to hope for a somewhat 'normal' summer combined with the fact it looks to be somewhat less lethal in the summer (going on last year).

Pray God.

[Milltown Row2]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

[Angelo]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

[Milltown Row2]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

[Jeepers Creepers]

A third of the Norths 103K covid cases have came within the last 30 days.

[trailer]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

There is no staff.
DUP under Edwin Poots cut Nursing places
MON refused to increase Nursing pay in line with rest of GB.
If you want to understand the response from the Health Service then you need to look at who is in charge making decisions. And you can't blame "The Tories". Stormont was given the money but couldn't run things.

You cannot criticise the the health service and exonerate SF and the DUP. We have gotten exactly what we deserve for electing these fools.