Standard of Refs

[Applesisapples]

It was the worst display of hurling reffing I have seen in some time. Gaels will feel hard done by. Red was soft though probably correct by the letter although worse was let go. He didn't card a St Thomas player for a strike in the second half because he was on yellow presumably. Hugh Lawlor was hauled to the ground with the forward holding his stick, he got carded an a free in for a point.

[Milltown Row2]

It was the worst display of hurling reffing I have seen in some time. Gaels will feel hard done by. Red was soft though probably correct by the letter although worse was let go. He didn't card a St Thomas player for a strike in the second half because he was on yellow presumably. Hugh Lawlor was hauled to the ground with the forward holding his stick, he got carded an a free in for a point.

Wasn't great and wasn't helped by his umpires to be fair, the player shoved over the catch nets should have been booked too, red card on slow mo didn't get to the other side, but the ref was looking straight at it. missed the headbutt too

As for Lawlor, that's a hard one to get unless he sees him grabbing the hurl

The game was played with a lot of slaps and hard tackles which spilled over at times, so not an easy one to be involved with

[johnnycool]

It was the worst display of hurling reffing I have seen in some time. Gaels will feel hard done by. Red was soft though probably correct by the letter although worse was let go. He didn't card a St Thomas player for a strike in the second half because he was on yellow presumably. Hugh Lawlor was hauled to the ground with the forward holding his stick, he got carded an a free in for a point.

Wasn't great and wasn't helped by his umpires to be fair, the player shoved over the catch nets should have been booked too, red card on slow mo didn't get to the other side, but the ref was looking straight at it. missed the headbutt too

As for Lawlor, that's a hard one to get unless he sees him grabbing the hurl

The game was played with a lot of slaps and hard tackles which spilled over at times, so not an easy one to be involved with

Lawlor knew what he was at, missed the catch and knew the Thomas's lad was favourite for the ball once it slipped behind him, the ensuing "tangle" was Lawlors doing.

Refs need to curb the slap down or chop in hurling, it's let go quite a lot at this level and is creeping into club hurling. A few broken hands will result from it.

It was a really hard day for both refs, Stack was trying to let it flow but for the last 15 minutes of the first half it was getting niggly between both teams and he tried to gain control.

One mistimed shoulder,flying elbow resulted in a red, player can have no qualms, another well timed shoulder resulted in a free and a yellow, no wonder Paul Kinnerk coaches the Limerick lads not to shoulder and use the arms in the tackle.

[Captain Scarlet]

I know the Gaels will be very very sore with the umpire, but the ref was kind to them on the possible 2 reds in my opinion.Now, feel free to shoot me down but the Thomas' red was heavily exagerated in my mind.
I don't think he really went to 'do' him and the elbow was a regualr height.

While we are chatting refs, I think the football final was well managed and he let a bit go within reason.

[Milltown Row2]

I know the Gaels will be very very sore with the umpire, but the ref was kind to them on the possible 2 reds in my opinion.Now, feel free to shoot me down but the Thomas' red was heavily exagerated in my mind.
I don't think he really went to 'do' him and the elbow was a regualr height.

While we are chatting refs, I think the football final was well managed and he let a bit go within reason.

Can't think of many calls which were controversial

[Wildweasel74]

Was the headbutt even with a helmet on ,not a red?

[Milltown Row2]

Was the headbuteven with a helmet on ,not a red?

The hurling was littered with 'unseen' incidents the football was grand..

Apart from not stopping play for cramp I thought he let the game flow

[Shamrock Shore]

Primetime are doing something tonight on GAA refs. A new organisation has been set up in Dublin. Kinda like a referees GPA.

Focus will be on violence and threats towards them and how the GAA can improve their lot.

[Shamrock Shore]

https://x.com/rte_primetime/status/1749912146991788274?s=46&t=KOxVLfiGHGL-L8P15x32Ug

[Milltown Row2]

https://x.com/rte_primetime/status/1749912146991788274?s=46&t=KOxVLfiGHGL-L8P15x32Ug

I'm not sure how having an official association for ref's will stop, people coming on to the field and stabbing a referee, carrying out online abuse, or abuse from the sidelines or behind the fence.

Heavy sanctions need to be carried out at clubs where physical and verbal abuse is carried out towards a referee, no home games for the year, banned from championship and a fine, it might start getting clubmen to police in house when the village idiot is let loose at the pitch. Currently people just laugh it off, as saying, sure your man is nuts, never listen

It only takes one header to start the sheep will follow

If the GAA is serious about it then they need to act, and stop saying we are going to do this and that and just carry out actual actions

[seafoid]

The most important thing in GAA is the flow of the game. Reffing reflects that. There will always be things that are missed but in general the system seems to work.

[Brendan]

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/331507?fbclid=IwAR3Qd4kdWQfBchlSsUkHYqbamraLyVRpQ9gx7PnE2uvDiFlGudg9TXjAR5o#google_vignette

[David McKeown]

I think there's a myriad of factors here and it links to the rules discussions.

The rule book is poorly drafted and haphazard that leads to widely different interpretations. That in turn leads to rows and adverse criticism or worse.

That in turn leads to a shortage of referees who why would they bother to get that abuse.

As a result refereeing standards fall.

Which in turn leads to more criticism and more abuse.

Then you get to the top levels where the game is simply too big too fast and too professional for one amateur referee and some amateur assistants.

I think the following need tackled and improved in no particular order.

1. The quality of the rule book.
2. Knowledge of the rules for all involved.
3. Respect towards officials.
4. Quality of refereeing.
5. Assistance for referees in so form be it technology, number of officials or the development of an elite unit properly remunerated.

I don't think you achieve anything tackling only one in isolation.

All that said we might have to close down the GAA discussion section if we all start to agree on refereeing matters.

[Milltown Row2]

1. The quality of the rule book.

Yes definitely needs looked at and simplified 

2. Knowledge of the rules for all involved.

The biggest bugbear of mine, classic example of a senior player asking me the rules at the game at the weekend. If the players are struggling with the rules what chance have ya? 

3. Respect towards officials.

I get, give respect get respect but I've yet to see a referee running around the pitch complaining about a tackle  not given as a foul the whole match, reverse that and you can understand why no one is putting their hand up to ref

4. Quality of refereeing.

fix the first few issues and the quality might get a lot better, as it will have a knock on affect

5. Assistance for referees in so form be it technology, number of officials or the development of an elite unit properly remunerated.

Better Tech will only be available at 1% percent of the associations games, i.e Intercounty level, not grassroots, more officials? can't get them unless the first few are fixed, so I doubt it, and more officials on the pitch means different opinions on the rules lol! As for the development of elite refs, they do have an extensive training program to be fair to them, and its never about the money, anyone taking up the whistle needs their head looked at if they are doing it for a few quid!

[Stall the Bailer]

On point 2, I would make it compulsory everyone who receives a red card will not be eligible to play until they sit a rule test and get at least 80%.