Nature - nurture. Male attitudes towards women

[Milltown Row2]

Nature is what we think of as pre-wiring and is influenced by genetic inheritance and other biological factors. Nurture is generally taken as the influence of external factors after conception, e.g., the product of exposure, life experiences and learning on an individual.

To get away from the other thread and allow it to be related specifically on topic as it's taken a turn for the worst on some posts.

Do males have an inherent behaviour towards woman or is it learnt?

[seafoid]

We live in a patriarchy. It's all learnt.

Irish Times
"Men who perpetrate life-threatening violence against women tend to build up to this point of their criminal careers. Perpetrators usually start with jeering, street harassment, exposure, groping. Yet we rarely intervene when men perpetrate entry-level violence."

[J70]

It's both.

Men like looking at women. Men lust after women. It's innate.

That doesn't mean that we can't teach boys that the primary role of women is NOT to be sexual objects for men's enjoyment, but that they ARE human beings first and foremost with the same agency and rights as men. And just because they might look attractive doesn't mean they're asking for it any more than a lad who dresses well and spends time keeping in shape is.

[Tony Baloney]

It's both.

Men like looking at women. Men lust after women. It's innate.

That doesn't mean that we can't teach boys that the primary role of women is NOT to be sexual objects for men's enjoyment, but that they ARE human beings first and foremost with the same agency and rights as men. And just because they might look attractive doesn't mean they're asking for it any more than a lad who dresses well and spends time keeping in shape is.

That last part about how a woman dresses always gets me and in fact I'm sure there have been lenient court judgements based on how a woman dresses. Bizarre that anyone thinks a short skirt is a green light for them to be attacked.

[imtommygunn]

There is one thing I never knew before that Jackson trial and shit like this must stop.

The underwear the woman was wearing was paraded out in front of the court. How in the name of f**k is that deemed acceptable.

The dressing thing is ludicrous. There is a victim blame thing goes on a wee bit with womens attacks sometimes you feel.

I don't know if I saw much on it here but the Met's reaction when the girl in London was killed by one of their own was absolutely shocking.

[LeoMc]

There is one thing I never knew before that Jackson trial and shit like this must stop.

The underwear the woman was wearing was paraded out in front of the court. How in the name of f**k is that deemed acceptable.

Thedressing thing is ludicrous. There is a victim blame thing goes on a wee bit with womens attacks sometimes you feel.

I don't know if I saw much on it here but the Met's reaction when the girl in London was killed by one of their own was absolutely shocking.

I could never understand that thinking. Just cos you put on your lucky pants on the off chance does not give everyone the green light.

If you are willing to give money to charity it does not give someone the right to rob you.

[Orior]

It's both.

Men like looking at women. Men lust after women. It's innate.

That doesn't mean that we can't teach boys that the primary role of women is NOT to be sexual objects for men's enjoyment, but that they ARE human beings first and foremost with the same agency and rights as men. And just because they might look attractive doesn't mean they're asking for it any more than a lad who dresses well and spends time keeping in shape is.

That last part about how a woman dresses always gets me and in fact I'm sure there have been lenient court judgements based on how a woman dresses. Bizarre that anyone thinks a short skirt is a green light for them to be attacked.

I wonder what programs like Naked Attraction teach young boys about women and how to treat women?

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Why are young boys watching a TV program that goes out at 10pm?

[Main Street]

There is one thing I never knew before that Jackson trial and shit like this must stop.

The underwear the woman was wearing was paraded out in front of the court. How in the name of f**k is that deemed acceptable.

The dressing thing is ludicrous. There is a victim blame thing goes on a wee bit with womens attacks sometimes you feel.

I don't know if I saw much on it here but the Met's reaction when the girl in London was killed by one of their own was absolutely shocking.

Afair, the parading of the underwear in court was allowed because the defense  barrister found an opportunity by deviously  claiming there was a discrepancy between the woman's testimony about blood being on her underwear.
Your point still stands, the judge should have seen through that scam, the interests of the woman far outweigh the defense's need to parade her underwear. The matter could have been handled different in court without harming the case for the defense.

[imtommygunn]

Ah. Disgusting act tbh where whoever facilitated it should hang their head in shame.

[north_antrim_hound]

Nature is what we think of as pre-wiring and is influenced by genetic inheritance and other biological factors. Nurture is generally taken as the influence of external factors after conception, e.g., the product of exposure, life experiences and learning on an individual.

To get away from the other thread and allow it to be related specifically on topic as it's taken a turn for the worst on some posts.

Do males have an inherent behaviour towards woman or is it learnt?

I think nature and Nuture  play a part in in a fully formed adult with possibly your upbringing have a bigger influence. In the case of the event last week I think that's a reminder in society some people are just broken and behave like savages. In the case of cold blooded killers like Richard Kullinski or Harold Shipman there is a history of physical and mental abuse. In the case of Ted Bundy who prayed on vulnerable women same thing with abandonment as well. Lack of emotional empathy seems to be the link between them all.
But early to say how much this is relative to the terrible tragedy of last week, we won't know to the killer is convicted about his personal background but Jesus it's hard to comprehend how this could happen. I always associated this kind of thing with other places and not Ireland but the last couple of years has been disconcerting.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

It's both.

Men like looking at women. Men lust after women. It's innate.

That doesn't mean that we can't teach boys that the primary role of women is NOT to be sexual objects for men's enjoyment, but that they ARE human beings first and foremost with the same agency and rights as men. And just because they might look attractive doesn't mean they're asking for it any more than a lad who dresses well and spends time keeping in shape is.

That last part about how a woman dresses always gets me and in fact I'm sure there have been lenient court judgements based on how a woman dresses. Bizarre that anyone thinks a short skirt is a green light for them to be attacked.

I wonder what programs like Naked Attraction teach young boys about women and how to treat women?

Or women about men. Disgusting programme

[Armagh18]

It's both.

Men like looking at women. Men lust after women. It's innate.

That doesn't mean that we can't teach boys that the primary role of women is NOT to be sexual objects for men's enjoyment, but that they ARE human beings first and foremost with the same agency and rights as men. And just because they might look attractive doesn't mean they're asking for it any more than a lad who dresses well and spends time keeping in shape is.

That last part about how a woman dresses always gets me and in fact I'm sure there have been lenient court judgements based on how a woman dresses. Bizarre that anyone thinks a short skirt is a green light for them to be attacked.

I wonder what programs like Naked Attraction teach young boys about women and how to treat women?

Or women about men. Disgusting programme

Ah it's a laugh that shouldnt be taken too seriously. Hardly that big an issue in the grand scheme of thing when theres literally 17 year old girls who can't wait to turn 18 to make an only fans account. Young lads/lassies can get access to porn with 2 clicks now.

[general_lee]

A lot of the ones on naked attraction have onlyfans... go figure 

[Itchy]

According to men's charity group study, 1/3 of domestic abuse cases are perpetrated against men and there are zero resources in the state for such men. I assume this means that "all" women are to blame for this?

https://www.mankind.org.uk/statistics/statistics-on-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse/

I post this tongue in cheek to show the ridiculousness of some of what is been written about recent events.

I do completely accept that men and boys must do much better with how women are treated in society. I say that as a father of a teenage boy and girl.