Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate

[seafoid]

Sporty young girls play sports with boys until age 12/13. Many drop out of sport altogether at that age. Female sport has to fight to keep them playing.  And now the LGFA is allowing men in.

[gallsman]

Also, the excuse of how dangerous trans women would be in contact sports, well a peak Serena Williams would be stronger than 99% of trans women, does than mean any women (non-trans) of her strength should be banned as well out of 'safety concerns'?

Protected. Category.

How do people not get this?! It's the exact same argument as the morons who turn round and say "should tall people be banned from playing basketball?"

[Milltown Row2]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Completely different issues and comparing them/lumping both into the same category is making a mockery of the whole gay/lesbian rights movement. Whoever you are having sex with isn't gonna affect how fast you can run/how hard you can punch etc but if you've grown up as a man and suddenly decided you want chop bits off yourself and identify as a woman then no problem but that doesn't mean you should get access to womens changing rooms or be able to compete against them in sport.

Being gay/lesbian is fine- it does zero harm to other people. Being trans is fine- as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people especially through safety issues in sport.

Look at that rapist in Scotland who decided he was a woman after raping 2 women? Madness.

So if its fine and does zero issues why be concerned, there are lots of people that take the piss out of systems.. You have men in sports that cheat in all manner of forms, but it sounds good though

Yes but they end up banned, not celebrated for cheating.

That is the difference.

If caught they get banned, but keep coming back.

Is it ok if a woman who identifies as a man plays in a male sport?

[AustinPowers]

Yeah and in Scotland you don't have to chop anything off, you just say you are a woman now by "self identifying" and away you go

You'd have to wonder where it all stops. Now I'm not talking about people identifying as a tree ffs, but I mean if you identify as being disabled, and you feel you were born into the wrong body as an abled person, should you be allowed to claim disability for example? What difference is there to someone, a man for example,saying they were born into the wrong body and they feel they are female.?
It's no different is it? Or you identify as being black even though you were born into a white body.

Those that support these trans people( whatever trans you may be) do you have a point where you think a line has been crossed or should everything just be accepted? Once again I'm not talking about nutters who claim they identify as broccoli.

Could I get away with  identifying as a dog?  And instead of  shaking hands with people,  I'd be allowed to lick their hand/face, hump their leg and  piss on their shoes?  And I insist on having  my own doggy toilet  and car parking space. And  if you don't address/recognise  me  properly as a  dog , I could  instigate cases against employers,  restaurants, businesses etc for not pandering to my doggy needs

I mean , at what point  does pandering  stop and the men in the white coats drag me away?

I find it strange that  in an age of so much  talk of mental health , that so  much  bonkers behaviour is tolerated  too

[seafoid]

All you have to do is tilt your head and self identify as a woman.

[Armagh18]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Completely different issues and comparing them/lumping both into the same category is making a mockery of the whole gay/lesbian rights movement. Whoever you are having sex with isn't gonna affect how fast you can run/how hard you can punch etc but if you've grown up as a man and suddenly decided you want chop bits off yourself and identify as a woman then no problem but that doesn't mean you should get access to womens changing rooms or be able to compete against them in sport.

Being gay/lesbian is fine- it does zero harm to other people. Being trans is fine- as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people especially through safety issues in sport.

Look at that rapist in Scotland who decided he was a woman after raping 2 women? Madness.

So if its fine and does zero issues why be concerned, there are lots of people that take the piss out of systems.. You have men in sports that cheat in all manner of forms, but it sounds good though

Yes but they end up banned, not celebrated for cheating.

That is the difference.

If caught they get banned, but keep coming back.

Is it ok if a woman who identifies as a man plays in a male sport?

No.

[shawshank]

Yeah and in Scotland you don't have to chop anything off, you just say you are a woman now by "self identifying" and away you go

You'd have to wonder where it all stops. Now I'm not talking about people identifying as a tree ffs, but I mean if you identify as being disabled, and you feel you were born into the wrong body as an abled person, should you be allowed to claim disability for example? What difference is there to someone, a man for example,saying they were born into the wrong body and they feel they are female.?
It's no different is it? Or you identify as being black even though you were born into a white body.

Those that support these trans people( whatever trans you may be) do you have a point where you think a line has been crossed or should everything just be accepted? Once again I'm not talking about nutters who claim they identify as broccoli.

I'm ok with people living their own lives in whatever way that keeps them happy. I am very comfortable within my own skin to respect their right to live that life, however the line I won't cross is when someone thinks that it is their right for a trans man competing in woman sports because of how they identify. Its not ok, its wrong, its unfair. Create a trans category and play way. You never hear about a woman who is transitioning to a man wanting to compete in the equilivant mans sport. Wonder why?

[jcpen]

So there's a "movement " out there of people wanting to chop their arms off so they too can be disabled??

Well there are people who identity as those things so what's your opinion on them?

I would hope you need a medical confirmation to back up your request for a disabled parking pass.

Aside from that I don't have much of an opinion at all.

Homosexuality was once officially written off as mental illness. Did you agree with that?

Find it strange you don't have an opinion on it. Do you think these people who identify as transabled for example should taken seriously?
Do you think it's genuine or a mental illness that person may have? It's a pretty simple question.

Like above RedHand88, I'm not sure what homosexuality has to do with trans anything, but to answer your question no I don't agree with homosexuality being considered a mental illness but then as I said it's a completely different topic to transgenderism or transabledism or transracialism...etc etc etc

Why would you find it strange that I don't have an opinion on the "transabled".

I'm not sure I've ever heard before of someone being transabled, therefore I have no information to go on, which means any "opinion" I might have would be totally uninformed, ignorant and completely worthless.

The relevance of homosexuality being considered a mental illness is that is was considered just that, medically, until the 1970s. It was only decriminalized in Ireland 30 years ago FFS. Paisley was campaigning on "Save Ulster From Sodomy" just over 40 years ago. The AIDS epidemic was basically ignored when it first arose because it only affected themmuns i.e. gay people. Took until the 2000s for sodomy to be found legal in a Supreme Court decision in the US.

If you can't see the parallels...

Why do I find it strange?Just from reading this thread you seem to have an opinion on and are an advocate for all things trans so I was surprised who hadn't an opinion or even apparently never heard of other types of "trans" people

So now that you have heard of it(Transablism)and even a quick google will tell you these people exist, what is your opinion on someone identifying as such? Should we view it the same way as transgenderism and try and accommodate these people, maybe allow surgeries to amputate limbs or whatever?
I fail to see the difference between someone believing they were born into the wrong body be it an abled bodied person believing they should be disabled or a male believing they were female, why accommodate one and not the other. So if we allow people to change gender via surgery why not allow someone to become physically disabled by removing a leg or an arm?
What about transracialism should a white person for example who identifies as black be accepted as being such? They exist also another quick google search will confirm that for you.
Have you a line that can be crossed or is everything and everyone acceptable in this new trans world.

[Rossfan]

Why can't ye just accept that we're all humans and get on with ye're lives?

A few here would feel at home in Iran's morality police!

[Gabriel_Hurl]

All you have to do is tilt your head and self identify as a woman.

christ - what a tedious bore you are.

[johnnycool]

All you have to do is tilt your head and self identify as a woman.

Sporty young girls play sports with boys until age 12/13. Many drop out of sport altogether at that age. Female sport has to fight to keep them playing.  And now the LGFA is allowing men in.

After a year of hormone treatment at a minimum but you knew that.

[shawshank]

All you have to do is tilt your head and self identify as a woman.

Sporty young girls play sports with boys until age 12/13. Many drop out of sport altogether at that age. Female sport has to fight to keep them playing.  And now the LGFA is allowing men in.

After a year of hormone treatment at a minimum but you knew that.

And that makes it ok? Surely your not advocating that?

[Gmac]

Gay population has probably remained the same throughout the last 20 years but Trans population is exploding in that period if you believe some people, why would that be ?

[Milltown Row2]

All you have to do is tilt your head and self identify as a woman.

Sporty young girls play sports with boys until age 12/13. Many drop out of sport altogether at that age. Female sport has to fight to keep them playing.  And now the LGFA is allowing men in.

After a year of hormone treatment at a minimum but you knew that.

And that makes it ok? Surely your not advocating that?

I'm sure he'd preferred they went to the funny farm to have their heads examined, due to the culture war that is going on!!

[Milltown Row2]

Gay population has probably remained the same throughout the last 20 years but Trans population is exploding in that period if you believe some people, why would that be ?

Gay population is 8% Trans less than 1% but exploded, like Mica Richards exploding onto the England team!