Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate

[seafoid]

Women were never asked if they wanted to accept the trans agenda

https://mobile.twitter.com/p1nchemarimacha/status/1359522342280572930

And what is the trans agenda? I am imagining a bunch of trans people sitting in a room. Phones turned off and SIM cards removed making bullet points of everything they want on the agenda

It's getting journalists on message
Buying politicians
Changing laws without any public debate
Social media manipulation

And it's extremely sophisticated

Did most people under 25 start supporting the trans cause because they were all visited individually  by the slua sí. ? Or was it structured and funded and executed ?

Where do all these trans people meet to come up with this agenda? Do they crossover with the people who come up with the gay agenda? Do they make notes on the meetings? I’d like to see them

So would I.
I woukd also like to meet who funds the Israel lobby.

[tonto1888]

What has the Israel lobby got to do with this? Why bring them up? You were on about the fictional trans agenda.

[J70]

Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.

do bathrooms have a lock on them ?
Of course there’s no problem because there’s f$ck all transgender people around another storm in a tea cup .

Stalls have a lock, of course. Sinks areas no.

However, given the relatively young, liberal, profile of the people who would frequent where I work, you’re probably hell of a lot more likely to have openly trans people about than most places. 

And still no problems.

Part of that is, I’m sure, the fact that no one is looking to create problems or controversy where they don’t exist.

any urinals in these bathrooms or all stalls ?

Is this a serious question?

[Gmac]

Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.

do bathrooms have a lock on them ?
Of course there’s no problem because there’s f$ck all transgender people around another storm in a tea cup .

Stalls have a lock, of course. Sinks areas no.

However, given the relatively young, liberal, profile of the people who would frequent where I work, you’re probably hell of a lot more likely to have openly trans people about than most places. 

And still no problems.

Part of that is, I’m sure, the fact that no one is looking to create problems or controversy where they don’t exist.

any urinals in these bathrooms or all stalls ?

Is this a serious question?

yes

[J70]

Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.

do bathrooms have a lock on them ?
Of course there’s no problem because there’s f$ck all transgender people around another storm in a tea cup .

Stalls have a lock, of course. Sinks areas no.

However, given the relatively young, liberal, profile of the people who would frequent where I work, you’re probably hell of a lot more likely to have openly trans people about than most places. 

And still no problems.

Part of that is, I’m sure, the fact that no one is looking to create problems or controversy where they don’t exist.

any urinals in these bathrooms or all stalls ?

Is this a serious question?

yes

Ok then.

Yes, the men’s bathrooms do.

Transgender men are free to use those bathrooms.

[sid waddell]

The words "the Trans agenda" is like the DUP at their finest

Pesky Catholics looking for their rights, pesky blacks, and pesky trans people

Dangerous f**kers all, putting us white, straight Prods in danger simply by demanding rights

The natural hierarchy, with the white straight Protestant man at the top, is being disturbed

For shame, for shame

[Gmac]

Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.

do bathrooms have a lock on them ?
Of course there’s no problem because there’s f$ck all transgender people around another storm in a tea cup .

Stalls have a lock, of course. Sinks areas no.

However, given the relatively young, liberal, profile of the people who would frequent where I work, you’re probably hell of a lot more likely to have openly trans people about than most places. 

And still no problems.

Part of that is, I’m sure, the fact that no one is looking to create problems or controversy where they don’t exist.

any urinals in these bathrooms or all stalls ?

Is this a serious question?

yes

Ok then.

Yes, the men’s bathrooms do.

Transgender men are free to use those bathrooms.

ok so you have men’s women’s and a sign on outside of other bathroom with all sexes  on it and it has a toilet and sink . Have used that myself when needed .
If you are born a woman but feel you are male but haven’t had any surgery done if you go to men’s toilet then you are probably going to use stall anyway same the other way around as there are no urinals in women’s toilets so it’s all a big fuss about nothing nobody is stamping on anyone’s rights  it’s all garbage. Have  the extra toilet problem solved .

[J70]

Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.

do bathrooms have a lock on them ?
Of course there’s no problem because there’s f$ck all transgender people around another storm in a tea cup .

Stalls have a lock, of course. Sinks areas no.

However, given the relatively young, liberal, profile of the people who would frequent where I work, you’re probably hell of a lot more likely to have openly trans people about than most places. 

And still no problems.

Part of that is, I’m sure, the fact that no one is looking to create problems or controversy where they don’t exist.

any urinals in these bathrooms or all stalls ?

Is this a serious question?

yes

Ok then.

Yes, the men’s bathrooms do.

Transgender men are free to use those bathrooms.

ok so you have men’s women’s and a sign on outside of other bathroom with all sexes  on it and it has a toilet and sink . Have used that myself when needed .
If you are born a woman but feel you are male but haven’t had any surgery done if you go to men’s toilet then you are probably going to use stall anyway same the other way around as there are no urinals in women’s toilets so it’s all a big fuss about nothing nobody is stamping on anyone’s rights  it’s all garbage. Have  the extra toilet problem solved .

Yep. Absolutely no need for all the drama over this issue.

[seafoid]

The words "the Trans agenda" is like the DUP at their finest

Pesky Catholics looking for their rights, pesky blacks, and pesky trans people

Dangerous f**kers all, putting us white, straight Prods in danger simply by demanding rights

The natural hierarchy, with the white straight Protestant man at the top, is being disturbed

For shame, for shame

So giving the parents of one of the Northern posters the same rights as Protestants is the same as legalising puberting blocking drugs for teenagers and rendering them infertile in the name of ideology?
Or is f**king up womens' sport OK becuase the Dubs also did it in mens gah?

[sid waddell]

The words "the Trans agenda" is like the DUP at their finest

Pesky Catholics looking for their rights, pesky blacks, and pesky trans people

Dangerous f**kers all, putting us white, straight Prods in danger simply by demanding rights

The natural hierarchy, with the white straight Protestant man at the top, is being disturbed

For shame, for shame

So giving the parents of one of the Northern posters the same rights as Protestants is the same as legalising puberting blocking drugs for teenagers and rendering them infertile in the name of ideology?
Or is f**king up womens' sport OK becuase the Dubs also did it in mens gah?

Those against the rights of the "wrong" kind of people always use fear to demonise them

Good example here

[trailer]

The words "the Trans agenda" is like the DUP at their finest

Pesky Catholics looking for their rights, pesky blacks, and pesky trans people

Dangerous f**kers all, putting us white, straight Prods in danger simply by demanding rights

The natural hierarchy, with the white straight Protestant man at the top, is being disturbed

For shame, for shame

So giving the parents of one of the Northern posters the same rights as Protestants is the same as legalising puberting blocking drugs for teenagers and rendering them infertile in the name of ideology?
Or is f**king up womens' sport OK becuase the Dubs also did it in mens gah?

Those against the rights of the "wrong" kind of people always use fear to demonise them

Good example here

Sport one a big no no for me. If you were born a man you shouldn't be competing in women's sport. End of.

[tonto1888]

The words "the Trans agenda" is like the DUP at their finest

Pesky Catholics looking for their rights, pesky blacks, and pesky trans people

Dangerous f**kers all, putting us white, straight Prods in danger simply by demanding rights

The natural hierarchy, with the white straight Protestant man at the top, is being disturbed

For shame, for shame

Agreed. It’s always the ones who have had their rights trampled on that have an agenda

[seafoid]

The words "the Trans agenda" is like the DUP at their finest

Pesky Catholics looking for their rights, pesky blacks, and pesky trans people

Dangerous f**kers all, putting us white, straight Prods in danger simply by demanding rights

The natural hierarchy, with the white straight Protestant man at the top, is being disturbed

For shame, for shame

So giving the parents of one of the Northern posters the same rights as Protestants is the same as legalising puberting blocking drugs for teenagers and rendering them infertile in the name of ideology?
Or is f**king up womens' sport OK becuase the Dubs also did it in mens gah?

Those against the rights of the "wrong" kind of people always use fear to demonise them

Good example here

I am not sure that the trans activist model benefits many ordinary trans people who are more likely to live in poverty.
I used to live in India and trans have been accepted for centuries. They don't claim to be women. They say they are a third sex and they have a place in society. There's no doxxing. There is no imposing on women. 
Western christianity persecuted trans people and now Western society is trying to catch up with more tolerant societies but it might need a few iterations. 

[seafoid]

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/full-text-of-my-house-of-lords-statement

[bennydorano]

A lot of valid points, it's such a poisonous subject area online that most people avoid it.  I would be pretty sure his opinions are more reflective of society in general than the Twitter echo chamber that finally got him ostracised.