Leinster Senior football championship 2024

[full moon]

So what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?

It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.

Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest.  In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries. 

I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.

Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.

"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt

Other counties are nearing bankruptcy and supporters abandoning ship, meanwhile the Dublin are still getting massively more funding than nearly the rest combined

[Laois Rising]

While Dublin are on a 13 in a row streak and it will probably continue for another couple of years surely the work that Kildare and Meath have done at underage football will ultimately bare fruit.

Kildare have three u20/21 Leinster winning sides (2018, 2022, 2023) while Meath have three Leinster minor winning sides (2018, 2020, 2021) in the last 6 years. With some of the talent already in these counties and with younger players with a taste for success filtering through you would be optimistic that the landscape in Leinster GAA football can change in the not too distant future.

In Kildare's case it might need a new management team and hitting the reset button in 2025 after seeing them in the league this year. O'Rourke deserves time-they easily maintained division 2 status and are coming off the back of winning the Tailteann Cup last year. 3-19 in windy conditions is serious shooting the last day against Longford. You would expect them to up their intensity considerable the next day against Dublin and for the defence to tighten up and be more tigerish in the tackle.   

[imtommygunn]

So what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?

It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.

Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest.  In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries. 

I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.

Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.

"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt

Fixed how?

How come other counties are not a million miles of Dublin yet Leinster counties are?

(I think Kildare's management team is broken for a start and if they fix that it may help...)

[Wildweasel74]

13 in a row, try 18 in 19 years.

[seafoid]

So what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?

It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.

Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest.  In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries. 

I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.

Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.

"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt

Fixed how?

How come other counties are not a million miles of Dublin yet Leinster counties are?

(I think Kildare's management team is broken for a start and if they fix that it may help...)

When is the last time Dublin were beaten in the all Ireland final ?You don't need to be a million miles away. One point is consistently enough. A one point hammering. Ask Mayo or Kerry.  As Dean Rock said he grew up dreaming of playing for Dublin and winning 6 in a row.

[imtommygunn]

They are currently at 1 in a row(out of 3). What does it matter whether it was a final or not where they were beat?

[thebigfullforward]

So what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?

It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.

Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest.  In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries. 

I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.

Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.

"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt

American sports are as close as you're going to get in regards to fairness. The only thing holding teams like the Hawks or the Wizards back is bad front offices. Only thing I don't like about the NBA draft is that better teams have a chance to get higher picks than worse teams if they get lucky in the draft lottery. But everything else is fair. You don't see a team staying in championship contention for longer than a few years

[seafoid]

They are currently at 1 in a row(out of 3). What does it matter whether it was a final or not where they were beat?

Dublin are 9 out of 13.

It matters because they don't lose finals. They are 9 out of 9 in finals.  If Derry get to the final to play Dublin they will lose just As Mayo, Tyrone and Kerry lost.
This is not about Derry.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/07/15/derry-scaled-heights-in-1993-when-savvy-boss-eamonn-coleman-made-the-difference/
"Enda Gormley remembers being struck by Coleman's implacable views on what would be good enough for Derry.".

He knew when they were ready because the standard was achievable. 
Mickey Harte has already lost a final to the Dublin machine.

The problem is much bigger than why don't Meath and Kildare take the finger out.
The system was broken long before Dublin finished the 6 in a row.

[imtommygunn]

They have lost finals though not in a while but they've either played mayo or just been a better team.

I still firmly believe that in their 6 in a row if they'd played Mayo more in semi finals they would not have 6 in a row.

they beat Kerry last year because they were better than them, they beat Tyrone because they were better, they beat Mayo because Mayo aren't good in finals. kerry would have beat them two years ago in a final because they were better.

Also Fenton, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc will drop off and drop off soon.

You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.

I don't really know what you are looking here. Kick dublin out of the championship?

[JoG2]

They have lost finals though not in a while but they've either played mayo or just been a better team.

I still firmly believe that in their 6 in a row if they'd played Mayo more in semi finals they would not have 6 in a row.

they beat Kerry last year because they were better than them, they beat Tyrone because they were better, they beat Mayo because Mayo aren't good in finals. kerry would have beat them two years ago in a final because they were better.

Also Fenton, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc will drop off and drop off soon.

You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.

I don't really know what you are looking here. Kick dublin out of the championship?

Yes, and the players to return (or the missing players atm) are all well into their 30s, one well into his 40s. Croke Pk is a big, fast unforgiving place if you're not in peak (yeehaa) nick

[Derryman forever]

Was the system broken by the tactics of the Teens?
I do find it Ironic that the man who contributed most to lateral football is commissioned with ridding us of  it.

[seafoid]

They have lost finals though not in a while but they've either played mayo or just been a better team.

I still firmly believe that in their 6 in a row if they'd played Mayo more in semi finals they would not have 6 in a row.

they beat Kerry last year because they were better than them, they beat Tyrone because they were better, they beat Mayo because Mayo aren't good in finals. kerry would have beat them two years ago in a final because they were better.

Also Fenton, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc will drop off and drop off soon.

You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.

I don't really know what you are looking here. Kick dublin out of the championship?

They will either have to subdivide Dublin or else spread Dublin players around other counties. The GAA doesn't have any solutions to this and it's not going to fix itself.  It's like the sludge in Lough Neagh in that regard.
There or thereabouts isn't good enough. Maybe a few more Sams and people will see what is happening.

[Armagh18]

They have lost finals though not in a while but they've either played mayo or just been a better team.

I still firmly believe that in their 6 in a row if they'd played Mayo more in semi finals they would not have 6 in a row.

they beat Kerry last year because they were better than them, they beat Tyrone because they were better, they beat Mayo because Mayo aren't good in finals. kerry would have beat them two years ago in a final because they were better.

Also Fenton, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc will drop off and drop off soon.

You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.

I don't really know what you are looking here. Kick dublin out of the championship?

They will either have to subdivide Dublin or else spread Dublin players around other counties. The GAA doesn't have any solutions to this and it's not going to fix itself.  It's like the sludge in Lough Neagh in that regard.
There or thereabouts isn't good enough. Maybe a few more Sams and people will see what is happening.

You've normally decent enough posts but Jesus Christ this has to be a wind up now.

[The Boy Wonder]

You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.

Teams get a huge confidence boost by winning their provincial championship and are much more primed for a crack at the Dubs than Leinster counties who have been crushed by the Dubs for over a decade. The demoralising effect of Dublin's dominance in Leinster also has a knock-on effect in the League - the imbalance of Ulster v Leinster teams in Division 1 being the prime example.

The provincial system exacerbates the problem with Leinster football. The Ulster Championship is the model for a proper Provincial competition. Connacht has Mayo, Galway & Roscommon in regular contention. Munster has Kerry, Cork and at times Clare or Tipperary. If Kildare and Meath were in Connacht or Munster I would say they would be quite competitive and in the shake-up quite regularly.

[Armagh18]

You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.

Teams get a huge confidence boost by winning their provincial championship and are much more primed for a crack at the Dubs than Leinster counties who have been crushed by the Dubs for over a decade. The demoralising effect of Dublin's dominance in Leinster also has a knock-on effect in the League - the imbalance of Ulster v Leinster teams in Division 1 being the prime example.

The provincial system exacerbates the problem with Leinster football. The Ulster Championship is the model for a proper Provincial competition. Connacht has Mayo, Galway & Roscommon in regular contention. Munster has Kerry, Cork and at times Clare or Tipperary. If Kildare and Meath were in Connacht or Munster I would say they would be quite competitive and in the shake-up quite regularly.

Bar the odd slip Kerry are regularly miles better than the rest in Munster although to a lesser extent than the Dubs. Weak excuse either way, no reason Meath shouldn't be a whole pile more competitive.