UK General Election 2017

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Minder

Quote from: Kilkevan on June 02, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 02, 2017, 11:01:27 AM
Did anyone see the debate amongst the South Belfast candidates on 'The View' last night?

I thought it was completely dominated by O Muilleoir who completely owned Pengelly when she started to try to corner him re the Manchester bombing, asking him to apologise for the IRA Manchester bomb....to which he replied it was a bit rich her asking that when her father had been importing weapons to NI for loyalists....OUCH.

And how does any of that help or pass as politics ? It's like groundhog day

Ask Pengelly...

I know but it's fckn depressing, I don't watch any of those local politics shows anymore because of this nonsense
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

sid waddell

Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 02, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
Will SF repay Jeremy Corbyn for his hospitality in Westminster and support when every other party shunned and expelled them by taking their seats in a hung parliament to put him into No.10? 

With a potential and not unrealistic 6/7 MPs, SF could either form the timing point for a introduction of a Corbyn government by voting with him or allow the return of May by their absence.  Which would be the best scenario for them?  Probably favour return of May to ensure a hard Brexit and the re-establishment of the border to create the focus for continuous political agitation.

However, given SFs inability to advance a concrete plan for a UI to take advantage of it and given the actual practical aggravation which a hard Brexit might cause to their voters, north and south, they cannot quite advocate a hard Brexit.
If the Tories lose there won't be a hard Brexit.

Labour's negotiating team of Corbyn, Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry and Barry Gardiner is miles better than the Tories team of Theresa the Trump appeaser, David Davis, Liam Foxhunter and  ;DBoris Johnson ;D.

Both in an intellectual sense and in terms of existing relations with other major European parties. Labour hasn't burned its bridges with Europe like the Tories have done and Europe will be much more open to a Labour negotiating team.

The Labour team would be going to negotiate.

The Tories variously think they're going to fight a war/engage in an infantile Twitter trolling session against Europe.

They're clueless on Brexit, and that's supposed to be their "strong" issue?!  ;D

Given that Labour are now running rings around them on their "strong issue", what does it tell you about the rest of the Tories' policies?

They're a fooking joke.

sid waddell

Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2017, 09:52:13 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 02, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
Will SF repay Jeremy Corbyn for his hospitality in Westminster and support when every other party shunned and expelled them by taking their seats in a hung parliament to put him into No.10? 

With a potential and not unrealistic 6/7 MPs, SF could either form the timing point for a introduction of a Corbyn government by voting with him or allow the return of May by their absence.  Which would be the best scenario for them?  Probably favour return of May to ensure a hard Brexit and the re-establishment of the border to create the focus for continuous political agitation.

Is May in favour of a hard Brexit?
I think she is heading for a dog's breakfast

She keeps on saying that no deal is better than a bad deal
No Theresa May is better than a bad Theresa May.

That's what Lynton Crosby thinks, anyway, given that he's muzzled her media appearances after what will no doubt be another car crash on Question time tonight.

Could you imagine the reaction if this was happening with Corbyn?

She genuinely doesn't have the ability to function as a Prime Minister.

Britain is facing utter disaster if they re-elect the Tories.

Rossfan

Quote from: AQMP on June 02, 2017, 11:53:00 AM
However I still expect the Tories to get a 50+ majority.
Are the English and Welsh really that thick????
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

johnneycool

Quote from: Kilkevan on June 02, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 02, 2017, 11:01:27 AM
Did anyone see the debate amongst the South Belfast candidates on 'The View' last night?

I thought it was completely dominated by O Muilleoir who completely owned Pengelly when she started to try to corner him re the Manchester bombing, asking him to apologise for the IRA Manchester bomb....to which he replied it was a bit rich her asking that when her father had been importing weapons to NI for loyalists....OUCH.

And how does any of that help or pass as politics ? It's like groundhog day

Ask Pengelly...

It was whataboutery at its highest level but Pengelly had it coming to her after trying to corner Máirtín Ó Muilleoir on the Manchester bombings....
That aside I think McDonnell did nothing to enhance his chances, UUP nice but irrelevant, Alliance girl was decent enough and wasn't going to bullied by the pro lifers in the audience.
All a bit meh, but leaps and bounds better than our sitting MP, Jim expenses Shannon FFS.

AhNowRef

#455
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 11:14:52 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on June 02, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 02, 2017, 11:01:27 AM
Did anyone see the debate amongst the South Belfast candidates on 'The View' last night?

I thought it was completely dominated by O Muilleoir who completely owned Pengelly when she started to try to corner him re the Manchester bombing, asking him to apologise for the IRA Manchester bomb....to which he replied it was a bit rich her asking that when her father had been importing weapons to NI for loyalists....OUCH.

And how does any of that help or pass as politics ? It's like groundhog day

Ask Pengelly...

I know but it's fckn depressing, I don't watch any of those local politics shows anymore because of this nonsense

Yeah but what was he supposed to do .. let her rant away and say nothing ?

Kilkevan

Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2017, 03:42:18 PM
If you are not a socialist when you are 20, then you have no heart.
If you are still a socialist when you are 40, then you have no brain.

With political insight like that, who needs Paxman  ::)

Minder

Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 02, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
Will SF repay Jeremy Corbyn for his hospitality in Westminster and support when every other party shunned and expelled them by taking their seats in a hung parliament to put him into No.10? 

With a potential and not unrealistic 6/7 MPs, SF could either form the timing point for a introduction of a Corbyn government by voting with him or allow the return of May by their absence.  Which would be the best scenario for them?  Probably favour return of May to ensure a hard Brexit and the re-establishment of the border to create the focus for continuous political agitation.

However, given SFs inability to advance a concrete plan for a UI to take advantage of it and given the actual practical aggravation which a hard Brexit might cause to their voters, north and south, they cannot quite advocate a hard Brexit.
If the Tories lose there won't be a hard Brexit.

Labour's negotiating team of Corbyn, Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry and Barry Gardiner is miles better than the Tories team of Theresa the Trump appeaser, David Davis, Liam Foxhunter and  ;DBoris Johnson ;D.

Both in an intellectual sense and in terms of existing relations with other major European parties. Labour hasn't burned its bridges with Europe like the Tories have done and Europe will be much more open to a Labour negotiating team.

The Labour team would be going to negotiate.

The Tories variously think they're going to fight a war/engage in an infantile Twitter trolling session against Europe.

They're clueless on Brexit, and that's supposed to be their "strong" issue?!  ;D

Given that Labour are now running rings around them on their "strong issue", what does it tell you about the rest of the Tories' policies?

They're a fooking joke.

The same Emily Thornberry who said the other day they couldn't export food to Australia as it would "go off"? Aye intellectual powerhouse by the sound of it
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

AhNowRef

Quote from: johnneycool on June 02, 2017, 11:59:44 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on June 02, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 02, 2017, 11:01:27 AM
Did anyone see the debate amongst the South Belfast candidates on 'The View' last night?

I thought it was completely dominated by O Muilleoir who completely owned Pengelly when she started to try to corner him re the Manchester bombing, asking him to apologise for the IRA Manchester bomb....to which he replied it was a bit rich her asking that when her father had been importing weapons to NI for loyalists....OUCH.

And how does any of that help or pass as politics ? It's like groundhog day

Ask Pengelly...

It was whataboutery at its highest level but Pengelly had it coming to her after trying to corner Máirtín Ó Muilleoir on the Manchester bombings....
That aside I think McDonnell did nothing to enhance his chances, UUP nice but irrelevant, Alliance girl was decent enough and wasn't going to bullied by the pro lifers in the audience.
All a bit meh, but leaps and bounds better than our sitting MP, Jim expenses Shannon FFS.

McDonnell is a disaster ... He is the only Nationalist who seems constantly capable of coming across even more smug & condescending than the DUP !! ... and that takes some doing..


Kilkevan

Quote from: johnneycool on June 02, 2017, 11:59:44 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on June 02, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 02, 2017, 11:01:27 AM
Did anyone see the debate amongst the South Belfast candidates on 'The View' last night?

I thought it was completely dominated by O Muilleoir who completely owned Pengelly when she started to try to corner him re the Manchester bombing, asking him to apologise for the IRA Manchester bomb....to which he replied it was a bit rich her asking that when her father had been importing weapons to NI for loyalists....OUCH.

And how does any of that help or pass as politics ? It's like groundhog day

Ask Pengelly...

It was whataboutery at its highest level but Pengelly had it coming to her after trying to corner Máirtín Ó Muilleoir on the Manchester bombings....

She picked a fight, he put her back in her box, nothing whataboutery there. What was he supposed to do differently?

seafoid

Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 02, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
Will SF repay Jeremy Corbyn for his hospitality in Westminster and support when every other party shunned and expelled them by taking their seats in a hung parliament to put him into No.10? 

With a potential and not unrealistic 6/7 MPs, SF could either form the timing point for a introduction of a Corbyn government by voting with him or allow the return of May by their absence.  Which would be the best scenario for them?  Probably favour return of May to ensure a hard Brexit and the re-establishment of the border to create the focus for continuous political agitation.

However, given SFs inability to advance a concrete plan for a UI to take advantage of it and given the actual practical aggravation which a hard Brexit might cause to their voters, north and south, they cannot quite advocate a hard Brexit.
If the Tories lose there won't be a hard Brexit.

Labour's negotiating team of Corbyn, Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry and Barry Gardiner is miles better than the Tories team of Theresa the Trump appeaser, David Davis, Liam Foxhunter and  ;DBoris Johnson ;D.

Both in an intellectual sense and in terms of existing relations with other major European parties. Labour hasn't burned its bridges with Europe like the Tories have done and Europe will be much more open to a Labour negotiating team.

The Labour team would be going to negotiate.

The Tories variously think they're going to fight a war/engage in an infantile Twitter trolling session against Europe.

They're clueless on Brexit, and that's supposed to be their "strong" issue?!  ;D

Given that Labour are now running rings around them on their "strong issue", what does it tell you about the rest of the Tories' policies?

They're a fooking joke.

The same Emily Thornberry who said the other day they couldn't export food to Australia as it would "go off"? Aye intellectual powerhouse by the sound of it
A lot of dairy products go off pretty quickly.Can't be flown. Fresh meat too. NZ exports frozen stuff.
Most UK food exports go to the EU. And they won't be able to find replacement markets for a lot of the stuff. 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Kilkevan

Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 02:04:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 02, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
Will SF repay Jeremy Corbyn for his hospitality in Westminster and support when every other party shunned and expelled them by taking their seats in a hung parliament to put him into No.10? 

With a potential and not unrealistic 6/7 MPs, SF could either form the timing point for a introduction of a Corbyn government by voting with him or allow the return of May by their absence.  Which would be the best scenario for them?  Probably favour return of May to ensure a hard Brexit and the re-establishment of the border to create the focus for continuous political agitation.

However, given SFs inability to advance a concrete plan for a UI to take advantage of it and given the actual practical aggravation which a hard Brexit might cause to their voters, north and south, they cannot quite advocate a hard Brexit.
If the Tories lose there won't be a hard Brexit.

Labour's negotiating team of Corbyn, Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry and Barry Gardiner is miles better than the Tories team of Theresa the Trump appeaser, David Davis, Liam Foxhunter and  ;DBoris Johnson ;D.

Both in an intellectual sense and in terms of existing relations with other major European parties. Labour hasn't burned its bridges with Europe like the Tories have done and Europe will be much more open to a Labour negotiating team.

The Labour team would be going to negotiate.

The Tories variously think they're going to fight a war/engage in an infantile Twitter trolling session against Europe.

They're clueless on Brexit, and that's supposed to be their "strong" issue?!  ;D

Given that Labour are now running rings around them on their "strong issue", what does it tell you about the rest of the Tories' policies?

They're a fooking joke.

The same Emily Thornberry who said the other day they couldn't export food to Australia as it would "go off"? Aye intellectual powerhouse by the sound of it
A lot of dairy products go off pretty quickly.Can't be flown. Fresh meat too. NZ exports frozen stuff.
Most UK food exports go to the EU. And they won't be able to find replacement markets for a lot of the stuff.

I'm not disputing the correctness of this but I'd like to see a breakdown per country of where UK food exports go. I imagine most to Ireland as UK foodstuffs don't have a great reputation in nations with a greater history of fine cuisine like France or Italy.

Personally, I think Brexit will bring minimal change. Take food products as a prime example. In France, Italy and other wine producing EU countries you can get a very good bottle of wine for a couple of euro. In the UK, you're looking at at least ten pounds and even then it's invariably of the quality a Frenchman or an Italian would pour down the drain. I can't imagine wine producers are going to want to lose access to a market where they can sell substandard versions of their products for vastly inflated prices.

seafoid

Quote from: Kilkevan on June 02, 2017, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 02:04:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 02, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
Will SF repay Jeremy Corbyn for his hospitality in Westminster and support when every other party shunned and expelled them by taking their seats in a hung parliament to put him into No.10? 

With a potential and not unrealistic 6/7 MPs, SF could either form the timing point for a introduction of a Corbyn government by voting with him or allow the return of May by their absence.  Which would be the best scenario for them?  Probably favour return of May to ensure a hard Brexit and the re-establishment of the border to create the focus for continuous political agitation.

However, given SFs inability to advance a concrete plan for a UI to take advantage of it and given the actual practical aggravation which a hard Brexit might cause to their voters, north and south, they cannot quite advocate a hard Brexit.
If the Tories lose there won't be a hard Brexit.

Labour's negotiating team of Corbyn, Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry and Barry Gardiner is miles better than the Tories team of Theresa the Trump appeaser, David Davis, Liam Foxhunter and  ;DBoris Johnson ;D.

Both in an intellectual sense and in terms of existing relations with other major European parties. Labour hasn't burned its bridges with Europe like the Tories have done and Europe will be much more open to a Labour negotiating team.

The Labour team would be going to negotiate.

The Tories variously think they're going to fight a war/engage in an infantile Twitter trolling session against Europe.

They're clueless on Brexit, and that's supposed to be their "strong" issue?!  ;D

Given that Labour are now running rings around them on their "strong issue", what does it tell you about the rest of the Tories' policies?

They're a fooking joke.

The same Emily Thornberry who said the other day they couldn't export food to Australia as it would "go off"? Aye intellectual powerhouse by the sound of it
A lot of dairy products go off pretty quickly.Can't be flown. Fresh meat too. NZ exports frozen stuff.
Most UK food exports go to the EU. And they won't be able to find replacement markets for a lot of the stuff.

I'm not disputing the correctness of this but I'd like to see a breakdown per country of where UK food exports go. I imagine most to Ireland as UK foodstuffs don't have a great reputation in nations with a greater history of fine cuisine like France or Italy.

Personally, I think Brexit will bring minimal change. Take food products as a prime example. In France, Italy and other wine producing EU countries you can get a very good bottle of wine for a couple of euro. In the UK, you're looking at at least ten pounds and even then it's invariably of the quality a Frenchman or an Italian would pour down the drain. I can't imagine wine producers are going to want to lose access to a market where they can sell substandard versions of their products for vastly inflated prices.
If you are paying a tenner for wine I wine I would advise you to contact the gaaboard wine correspondent, Mr Milltown Row.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

AhNowRef

Quote from: Kilkevan on June 02, 2017, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 02:04:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 02, 2017, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 02, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
Will SF repay Jeremy Corbyn for his hospitality in Westminster and support when every other party shunned and expelled them by taking their seats in a hung parliament to put him into No.10? 

With a potential and not unrealistic 6/7 MPs, SF could either form the timing point for a introduction of a Corbyn government by voting with him or allow the return of May by their absence.  Which would be the best scenario for them?  Probably favour return of May to ensure a hard Brexit and the re-establishment of the border to create the focus for continuous political agitation.

However, given SFs inability to advance a concrete plan for a UI to take advantage of it and given the actual practical aggravation which a hard Brexit might cause to their voters, north and south, they cannot quite advocate a hard Brexit.
If the Tories lose there won't be a hard Brexit.

Labour's negotiating team of Corbyn, Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry and Barry Gardiner is miles better than the Tories team of Theresa the Trump appeaser, David Davis, Liam Foxhunter and  ;DBoris Johnson ;D.

Both in an intellectual sense and in terms of existing relations with other major European parties. Labour hasn't burned its bridges with Europe like the Tories have done and Europe will be much more open to a Labour negotiating team.

The Labour team would be going to negotiate.

The Tories variously think they're going to fight a war/engage in an infantile Twitter trolling session against Europe.

They're clueless on Brexit, and that's supposed to be their "strong" issue?!  ;D

Given that Labour are now running rings around them on their "strong issue", what does it tell you about the rest of the Tories' policies?

They're a fooking joke.

The same Emily Thornberry who said the other day they couldn't export food to Australia as it would "go off"? Aye intellectual powerhouse by the sound of it
A lot of dairy products go off pretty quickly.Can't be flown. Fresh meat too. NZ exports frozen stuff.
Most UK food exports go to the EU. And they won't be able to find replacement markets for a lot of the stuff.

I'm not disputing the correctness of this but I'd like to see a breakdown per country of where UK food exports go. I imagine most to Ireland as UK foodstuffs don't have a great reputation in nations with a greater history of fine cuisine like France or Italy.

Personally, I think Brexit will bring minimal change. Take food products as a prime example. In France, Italy and other wine producing EU countries you can get a very good bottle of wine for a couple of euro. In the UK, you're looking at at least ten pounds and even then it's invariably of the quality a Frenchman or an Italian would pour down the drain. I can't imagine wine producers are going to want to lose access to a market where they can sell substandard versions of their products for vastly inflated prices.

Re food stuffs .... Just one example of a huge issue that Brexit would bring to Farmers over here is the fact that GB would probably have to do deals with the Americas which would lead to the importing of very cheap beef etc.. ... even though its not allowed at present it would be then .. and its full of mad dog catweeazle dust  :o

Farmers = Fooked
Consumers = Fooked (but temporarily happy cause its cheap!!)