UK General Election 2017

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Applesisapples

Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 31, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
So the stoops are castigating the shinners for being absentionist. Better for a nationalist to swear allegiance to the Queen. They are a bit like the DUP in supposing that SF voters actually give a toss about the British parliament.

Well then what's the point in them standing for the election anyway it's a wasted vote??!! Sinn Fein need to go to Westminster and represent the people who put them there not sit on their hands!

They've moved on in a lot of ways but in this they are stuck in the 60's!!
If thats the case any vote here is wasted, especially for a nationalist/republican as they have no influence. Why in this day and age must they swear allegiance to a Queen who has to be protestant under the constitution? To do so makes you a Unionist.

Applesisapples

Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 31, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 31, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
So the stoops are castigating the shinners for being absentionist. Better for a nationalist to swear allegiance to the Queen. They are a bit like the DUP in supposing that SF voters actually give a toss about the British parliament.

Well then what's the point in them standing for the election anyway it's a wasted vote??!! Sinn Fein need to go to Westminster and represent the people who put them there not sit on their hands!

They've moved on in a lot of ways but in this they are stuck in the 60's!!

What benefit would it be to SF or us in NI if they were to take their seats ... SNP have over 50 MPs and look how much notice is taken of them  ::)

The yapping by all the other parties (and disgracefully the SDLP) that SF dont "stand up for us" in parliament is ludicrous !!
They don't. SF could have voted against Article 50. They didn't
It wouldn't have changed a fcukin thing.

AhNowRef

Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 31, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 31, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
So the stoops are castigating the shinners for being absentionist. Better for a nationalist to swear allegiance to the Queen. They are a bit like the DUP in supposing that SF voters actually give a toss about the British parliament.

Well then what's the point in them standing for the election anyway it's a wasted vote??!! Sinn Fein need to go to Westminster and represent the people who put them there not sit on their hands!

They've moved on in a lot of ways but in this they are stuck in the 60's!!

What benefit would it be to SF or us in NI if they were to take their seats ... SNP have over 50 MPs and look how much notice is taken of them  ::)

The yapping by all the other parties (and disgracefully the SDLP) that SF dont "stand up for us" in parliament is ludicrous !!
They don't. SF could have voted against Article 50. They didn't

exactly what difference would that have made ? .... Please explain ?

Im genuinely at a loss here to see why some people think SF being in the commons would make the slightest difference to "anything" ?

seafoid

Quote from: AhNowRef on May 31, 2017, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 31, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 31, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
So the stoops are castigating the shinners for being absentionist. Better for a nationalist to swear allegiance to the Queen. They are a bit like the DUP in supposing that SF voters actually give a toss about the British parliament.

Well then what's the point in them standing for the election anyway it's a wasted vote??!! Sinn Fein need to go to Westminster and represent the people who put them there not sit on their hands!

They've moved on in a lot of ways but in this they are stuck in the 60's!!

What benefit would it be to SF or us in NI if they were to take their seats ... SNP have over 50 MPs and look how much notice is taken of them  ::)

The yapping by all the other parties (and disgracefully the SDLP) that SF dont "stand up for us" in parliament is ludicrous !!
They don't. SF could have voted against Article 50. They didn't

exactly what difference would that have made ? .... Please explain ?

Im genuinely at a loss here to see why some people think SF being in the commons would make the slightest difference to "anything" ?
There will probably be a hung parliament.
SF could take part in committees to improve services in NI
It could stand up for its voters instead of following a policy from the 50s
It's happy to vote at Stormon

the abstentionist policy came from a point of weakness
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Wildweasel74

Happy enough to take the money even though they dont attend! Thats really standing up for the people there

AhNowRef

#396
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 05:53:21 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 31, 2017, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 31, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 31, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
So the stoops are castigating the shinners for being absentionist. Better for a nationalist to swear allegiance to the Queen. They are a bit like the DUP in supposing that SF voters actually give a toss about the British parliament.

Well then what's the point in them standing for the election anyway it's a wasted vote??!! Sinn Fein need to go to Westminster and represent the people who put them there not sit on their hands!

They've moved on in a lot of ways but in this they are stuck in the 60's!!

What benefit would it be to SF or us in NI if they were to take their seats ... SNP have over 50 MPs and look how much notice is taken of them  ::)

The yapping by all the other parties (and disgracefully the SDLP) that SF dont "stand up for us" in parliament is ludicrous !!
They don't. SF could have voted against Article 50. They didn't

exactly what difference would that have made ? .... Please explain ?

Im genuinely at a loss here to see why some people think SF being in the commons would make the slightest difference to "anything" ?
There will probably be a hung parliament.
SF could take part in committees to improve services in NI
It could stand up for its voters instead of following a policy from the 50s
It's happy to vote at Stormon

the abstentionist policy came from a point of weakness

Ifs & buts ... Can you tell me one instance when a SF vote in the commons would have made "any" difference ?

BTW, I vote SF and the way things currently stand, I wouldn't want them there.

AhNowRef

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 31, 2017, 06:04:49 PM
Happy enough to take the money even though they dont attend! Thats really standing up for the people there

Thats a weak point really isnt it .. SF, love them or hate them, you cant say they're in it for the Mula ..  They're the only party you just cant say that about..

seafoid

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/31/general-election-2017-may-corbyn-bbc-debate-campaign-personal-politics-live

A special deal allowing Northern Ireland to remain in the single market and customs union is the only way to overcome the political and economic threats posed by imposing a hard border with the Republic, the Alliance party has said.
It would be "toxic" to conflate calls for special status for Northern Ireland and any debate over the region's constitutional future, the party's deputy leader, Stephen Farry, said.
His party's general election manifesto also calls for a second referendum on the terms of the final Brexit deal negotiated between the UK and the EU.

We must decouple the concept of a special deal for Northern Ireland with the broad constitutional question because if the notion of a special deal gets caught up in orange versus green politics, as opposed to building a broad, cross-community coalition behind it, then it will not have that support and will be seen as politically toxic, as opposed to something that is absolutely necessary.
Other key elements of the manifesto include:
An end to community designations in the Stormont assembly and the reform of the petition of concern vetoing mechanism.
The formation of the Stormont executive on a voluntary, rather than mandatory, basis.
A UK-wide constitutional convention to reshape a more federal UK.
The repeal of "English votes for English laws" in Westminster.
A target of 20% of school children in Northern Ireland to be in integrated education within 10 years.
Compelling the NI Housing Executive to facilitate mixed housing.
Opposition to any potential repeal of the Human Rights Act post-Brexit.
Higher tax rates for foreign companies making profits in the UK.
The reduction or abolition of air passenger duty.
Pressing for continued UK participation in the European arrest warrant post-Brexit.
The repeal of the bedroom tax.
Retaining the triple-lock on pensions.
A ban on the use of wild animals in circuses.
Opposition to Trident renewal.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Arlene wants to go back to the demographics of the 50s

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/31/general-election-2017-may-corbyn-bbc-debate-campaign-personal-politics-live

Foster said, for her, the most important issue at the forthcoming election "is not devolution but the union itself".
She called on all unionists to rise to the challenge from Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams and put a border poll off the agenda for generations.
"Sinn Fein want to use this election as a precursor to a border poll," she said. "Gerry Adams has declared that this election will be a barometer on Irish Unity.
"Let us rise to that challenge and seek to ensure that unionism still returns a majority of unionist MPs to Westminster and puts the notion of a divisive and destabilising border poll off the agenda for generations to come."
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

red hander

'Divisive and destabilising' seems to be the new buzz term as far as a border poll is concerned. An attempt to shut down legitimate debate and stop nationalists asserting their political arguments by suggesting even talking about reunification is somehow out of order and shouldn't happen. Expect this fascist mantra to grow in the coming years as more and more unionists (and their west Brit cheerleaders like Ugly Edwards, Harris and O'Hanlon) realise the game is up.

seafoid

Quote from: AQMP on May 31, 2017, 08:54:35 PM
The UDA, which was shooting people at the weekend, backs DUP in S Belfast
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40104318

The DUP won't do anything for working class Protestants
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

ziggysego

Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 31, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 31, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
So the stoops are castigating the shinners for being absentionist. Better for a nationalist to swear allegiance to the Queen. They are a bit like the DUP in supposing that SF voters actually give a toss about the British parliament.

Well then what's the point in them standing for the election anyway it's a wasted vote??!! Sinn Fein need to go to Westminster and represent the people who put them there not sit on their hands!

They've moved on in a lot of ways but in this they are stuck in the 60's!!

What benefit would it be to SF or us in NI if they were to take their seats ... SNP have over 50 MPs and look how much notice is taken of them  ::)

The yapping by all the other parties (and disgracefully the SDLP) that SF dont "stand up for us" in parliament is ludicrous !!
They don't. SF could have voted against Article 50. They didn't

There was a majority of 45 MPs for it. How would have made a blind bit of difference?
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Saffrongael

Quote from: ziggysego on May 31, 2017, 09:46:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 31, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 31, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
So the stoops are castigating the shinners for being absentionist. Better for a nationalist to swear allegiance to the Queen. They are a bit like the DUP in supposing that SF voters actually give a toss about the British parliament.

Well then what's the point in them standing for the election anyway it's a wasted vote??!! Sinn Fein need to go to Westminster and represent the people who put them there not sit on their hands!

They've moved on in a lot of ways but in this they are stuck in the 60's!!

What benefit would it be to SF or us in NI if they were to take their seats ... SNP have over 50 MPs and look how much notice is taken of them  ::)

The yapping by all the other parties (and disgracefully the SDLP) that SF dont "stand up for us" in parliament is ludicrous !!
They don't. SF could have voted against Article 50. They didn't

There was a majority of 45 MPs for it. How would have made a blind bit of difference?

Sure why did anyone vote against it then? Some strange ideas of democracy on this board
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

seafoid

Sam Coates Times

@SamCoatesTimes
Tonight: Times/YouGov regular weekly poll shows 3pt Tory lead. (Poll different to YouGov model but Tory lead same)

It's like watching Offaly in the 94 hurling final
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU