Poll
Question:
Who will win the 2024 Ulster title
Option 1: Donegal
votes: 27
Option 2: Armagh
votes: 21
Starts on Sunday. Monaghan v Cavan in Clones at 4pm and will be live on BBC and RTE.
Quarter finals
Down v Antrim
Fermanagh v Armagh
Derry v Donegal
Tyrone v Monaghan/Cavan
Semi finals
Down/Antrim v Fermanagh/Armagh
Derry/Donegal v Tyrone/Monaghan/Cavan
Armaghs to lose.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 01, 2024, 10:00:58 PMArmaghs to lose.
;)
You're like one of the Crossmaglen boyos who always try to make out they're the underdogs in Armagh.
Derry to beat Donegal then Tyrone then Armagh just to win Ulster, compare this to Kerry or Dublin's run in the provincials. Derry be burnt out by time quarters come round.
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 01, 2024, 10:59:10 PMDerry to beat Donegal then Tyrone then Armagh just to win Ulster, compare this to Kerry or Dublin's run in the provincials. Derry be burnt out by time quarters come round.
Which is reflected in that Kerry and Dublin are strong favourites to win their provinces, more than all other put together. Derry are the most likely team to win Ulster, but one of the above or Monaghan might win also, so it is as likely that Derry win Ulster or do not win Ulster.
Only 1 team done 3 in a row since Down in the 60's, so I wouldn't want Derry to fall into the trap that the Ulster championship a do or die, if beat, its better going out early.Still think they the strongest team in Ulster, it depend if they see 3 in a row as a must!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2024, 11:13:49 PMOnly 1 team done 3 in a row since Down in the 60's, so I wouldn't want Derry to fall into the trap that the Ulster championship a do or die, if beat, its better going out early.Still think they the strongest team in Ulster, it depend if they see 3 in a row as a must!
Harte will want to win the lot but they'll have 3 wars to win in Ulstrr
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2024, 11:05:52 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on April 01, 2024, 10:59:10 PMDerry to beat Donegal then Tyrone then Armagh just to win Ulster, compare this to Kerry or Dublin's run in the provincials. Derry be burnt out by time quarters come round.
Which is reflected in that Kerry and Dublin are strong favourites to win their provinces, more than all other put together. Derry are the most likely team to win Ulster, but one of the above or Monaghan might win also, so it is as likely that Derry win Ulster or do not win Ulster.
100%..any of the teams on our side of the draw or Armagh could win Ulster. The games are coming thick and fast
Will Derry want to give up top seed?
Best to avoid the Dubs or Kerry until the semis.
If you don't top your group you're creating an extra game when a 2 week break would be of more of an advantage in the latter stages of the All Ireland.
Wouldn't be ideal playing Dublin or Kerry after a round of 12 game the week before.
I think they should just armagh the ulster title. 2 years running it's been set up for them. Maybe this will be their year
Rory Beggan back for Monaghan according to reports. That's a big boost. I know these games are normally close affairs, regardless of what level either team is performing at. Cavan have won the last 2 encounters in championship but I just cannot see us doing it this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavan%E2%80%93Monaghan_Gaelic_football_rivalry
I personally think it's between Derry/Donegal/Armagh for Ulster.
Derry will be favourites, but Donegal could beat them in the first round as that's what they'll have been preparing for since McGuinnes came back. A lot will depend on injuries having cleared up.
If Donegal are without McBrearty and McHugh, they will struggle against the Derry defence I feel.
But Derry could be withouth McKinless and Doherty who both left the field injured yesterday which might even things up.
Armagh have the easy side of the draw and should get to a final. A repeat of the Div2 final would mean a close game I feel.
A repeat of last years Ulster final would not be as close. Derry have kicked on and if Armagh couldn't beat us last year in the circumstances, I can't see them doing it this year. And I think if Armagh had to face penalties again, they might just leave the pitch ;)
I could be wrong though, Armagh have protected players throughout the league and got promotion, so perhaps I'm underestimating them.
Armagh for Sam.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2024, 10:04:24 AMI personally think it's between Derry/Donegal/Armagh for Ulster.
Derry will be favourites, but Donegal could beat them in the first round as that's what they'll have been preparing for since McGuinnes came back. A lot will depend on injuries having cleared up.
If Donegal are without McBrearty and McHugh, they will struggle against the Derry defence I feel.
But Derry could be withouth McKinless and Doherty who both left the field injured yesterday which might even things up.
Armagh have the easy side of the draw and should get to a final. A repeat of the Div2 final would mean a close game I feel.
A repeat of last years Ulster final would not be as close. Derry have kicked on and if Armagh couldn't beat us last year in the circumstances, I can't see them doing it this year. And I think if Armagh had to face penalties again, they might just leave the pitch ;)
I could be wrong though, Armagh have protected players throughout the league and got promotion, so perhaps I'm underestimating them.
Armagh for Sam.
Armagh for Sam is a bit over the top, but they had not ouverused some players who may be fresher in May as a consequence. However, a "shock" in Donegal v Derry is possible, it would be really important to Donegal, but Derry know that they can reach the QFs one way or the other and their real championship starts then.
Jim will definitely have something up his sleeve for Derry.
Will depend on the injuries clearing up though as said previously.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2024, 10:04:24 AMI personally think it's between Derry/Donegal/Armagh for Ulster.
Derry will be favourites, but Donegal could beat them in the first round as that's what they'll have been preparing for since McGuinnes came back. A lot will depend on injuries having cleared up.
If Donegal are without McBrearty and McHugh, they will struggle against the Derry defence I feel.
But Derry could be withouth McKinless and Doherty who both left the field injured yesterday which might even things up.
Armagh have the easy side of the draw and should get to a final. A repeat of the Div2 final would mean a close game I feel.
A repeat of last years Ulster final would not be as close. Derry have kicked on and if Armagh couldn't beat us last year in the circumstances, I can't see them doing it this year. And I think if Armagh had to face penalties again, they might just leave the pitch ;)
I could be wrong though, Armagh have protected players throughout the league and got promotion, so perhaps I'm underestimating them.
Armagh for Sam.
If its gonna be penalties we have a secret weapon this year in that we have a goalkeeper in nets now ;) would take a miracle to run Derry that close going by the weekend.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 02, 2024, 10:22:25 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2024, 10:04:24 AMI personally think it's between Derry/Donegal/Armagh for Ulster.
Derry will be favourites, but Donegal could beat them in the first round as that's what they'll have been preparing for since McGuinnes came back. A lot will depend on injuries having cleared up.
If Donegal are without McBrearty and McHugh, they will struggle against the Derry defence I feel.
But Derry could be withouth McKinless and Doherty who both left the field injured yesterday which might even things up.
Armagh have the easy side of the draw and should get to a final. A repeat of the Div2 final would mean a close game I feel.
A repeat of last years Ulster final would not be as close. Derry have kicked on and if Armagh couldn't beat us last year in the circumstances, I can't see them doing it this year. And I think if Armagh had to face penalties again, they might just leave the pitch ;)
I could be wrong though, Armagh have protected players throughout the league and got promotion, so perhaps I'm underestimating them.
Armagh for Sam.
If its gonna be penalties we have a secret weapon this year in that we have a goalkeeper in nets now ;) would take a miracle to run Derry that close going by the weekend.
We'll last as least as long on penalties as Dublin!
Quote from: Itchy on April 02, 2024, 09:55:27 AMRory Beggan back for Monaghan according to reports. That's a big boost. I know these games are normally close affairs, regardless of what level either team is performing at. Cavan have won the last 2 encounters in championship but I just cannot see us doing it this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavan%E2%80%93Monaghan_Gaelic_football_rivalry
I assumed this was an April Fools
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 02, 2024, 10:18:00 AMJim will definitely have something up his sleeve for Derry.
Will depend on the injuries clearing up though as said previously.
He can have whatever he wants up his sleeve but the reality is that there is no eventuality that the best teams are not already prepared for or equipped to deal with now.
He stole a march on opponents in 2011/12 by covering his sides deficiencies with revolutionary tactics. But it does go to show how he has got into opponents heads that they still think he will pull some kind of rabbit out of the hat.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2024, 11:40:07 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 02, 2024, 10:18:00 AMJim will definitely have something up his sleeve for Derry.
Will depend on the injuries clearing up though as said previously.
He can have whatever he wants up his sleeve but the reality is that there is no eventuality that the best teams are not already prepared for or equipped to deal with now.
He stole a march on opponents in 2011/12 by covering his sides deficiencies with revolutionary tactics. But it does go to show how he has got into opponents heads that they still think he will pull some kind of rabbit out of the hat.
I just think Derry have players currently way ahead of Donegal, no matter what Jim has up his sleeve. I cant see Armagh beating them either unless Derry really take their foot of the pedal. That might seem like a good idea too if they are aiming from Sam, but that is not how Mickey Harte operates. He wants to win everything and I dont think he will show Armagh any mercy should they meet in the final.
If you were comparing Derrys squad with Donegals 2 and a half years ago you wouldnt be saying Derry had the better players and there is now way it could have been forecasted that Derry wiuld imrpove so much.
But it just goes to show what can be achieved when you have belief and a top class manager.
It may come too soon for Donegal in 3 weeks time but there is no doubting that they will be a force to be reckoned with maybe not this year but in the coming years.
Its not long ago that people were saying they were the 2nd best team in the country. Lack of a top class manager prevented them from living up to that hype.
They've won the division 2 league this year; with 5 or 6 of their starting team not available if they can get all of those back there is no reason why they cant get to a semi final this year and or rattle Derry.
If you were comparing Derrys squad with Donegals 2 and a half years ago you wouldnt be saying Derry had the better players and there is no way it could have been forecasted that Derry would improve so much.
But it just goes to show what can be achieved when you have belief and a top class manager.
It may come too soon for Donegal in 3 weeks time but there is no doubting that they will be a force to be reckoned with maybe not this year but in the coming years.
Its not long ago that people were saying they were the 2nd best team in the country. Lack of a top class manager prevented them from living up to that hype.
They've won the division 2 league this year; with 5 or 6 of their starting team not available if they can get all of those back there is no reason why they cant get to a semi final this year and or rattle Derry.
Ulster is the hardest province to win and the most dangerous in terms of potential injuries , as a result.
Derry will win ulster and they will win it with a bit to spare
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 02, 2024, 01:30:26 PMDerry will win ulster and they will win it with a bit to spare
There won't be a kick of a ball in any game between Donegal, Armagh and Derry. Look at the last 2 ulster finals both went to ET. Can maybe say the same about Tyrone depending on what Tyrone shows up.
quarter finals and semi finals look potentially harder games for derry than the final.
Derry's last defeat in the Ulster Championship was July 2021 0-15 to 0-16 against Donegal, a match whereby the ref blew for full time as Derry retained possession instead of taking on a shot on goal. Derry hadn't won a Ulster championship match at the time since 2015 a one point win against Down.
Since then wins against
Tyrone by 11
Monaghan by 4
Donegal by 2 (AET)
Fermanagh by 12
Monaghan by 8
Armagh on penalties
Quote from: Mario on April 02, 2024, 01:34:13 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 02, 2024, 01:30:26 PMDerry will win ulster and they will win it with a bit to spare
There won't be a kick of a ball in any game between Donegal, Armagh and Derry. Look at the last 2 ulster finals both went to ET. Can maybe say the same about Tyrone depending on what Tyrone shows up.
Having watched Armagh all year and from I've seen if Derry, we won't bother you too much. Jim may have something up his sleeve I suppose but you won't have any bother with Tyrone/monaghan/cavan either. This is just based on what I've seen this year to date mind you
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 02, 2024, 04:43:53 PMQuote from: Mario on April 02, 2024, 01:34:13 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 02, 2024, 01:30:26 PMDerry will win ulster and they will win it with a bit to spare
There won't be a kick of a ball in any game between Donegal, Armagh and Derry. Look at the last 2 ulster finals both went to ET. Can maybe say the same about Tyrone depending on what Tyrone shows up.
Having watched Armagh all year and from I've seen if Derry, we won't bother you too much. Jim may have something up his sleeve I suppose but you won't have any bother with Tyrone/monaghan/cavan either. This is just based on what I've seen this year to date mind you
Wouldn't say Armagh dont have a chance. Have played good football all year with the exception of 2 games. Depends on whether McGeeney pulls the hanbrake or not. Think Armagh are the only team in Ulster that will be capable of keeping up with Derry in terms of athleticism. Footballing ability is a different story, again it depends on what football McGeeney lets them play
Unbelievably hard to call the Ulster winner in recent times....
Derry with a target on their back right now but as we've all seen Armagh, Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone all well capable...
A kick of a ball in it!
Don't know why but I've a funny feeling Monaghan could catch Derry if they meet. Fair chance Monaghan don't make it that far and of course Tyrone will always have a say in things. Looking forward to it anyway!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2024, 08:50:50 PMDon't know why but I've a funny feeling Monaghan could catch Derry if they meet. Fair chance Monaghan don't make it that far and of course Tyrone will always have a say in things. Looking forward to it anyway!
Sure Donegal are going to catch them first.
Donegal or no one. You do wonder if there's a sting in Tyrone.
Don't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 04, 2024, 09:52:04 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2024, 08:50:50 PMDon't know why but I've a funny feeling Monaghan could catch Derry if they meet. Fair chance Monaghan don't make it that far and of course Tyrone will always have a say in things. Looking forward to it anyway!
Sure Donegal are going to catch them first.
Probably wishful thinking. Fair play to Derry they look miles ahead of the rest of Ulster at this stage although it's only the league so far.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2024, 10:06:24 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 04, 2024, 09:52:04 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2024, 08:50:50 PMDon't know why but I've a funny feeling Monaghan could catch Derry if they meet. Fair chance Monaghan don't make it that far and of course Tyrone will always have a say in things. Looking forward to it anyway!
Sure Donegal are going to catch them first.
Probably wishful thinking. Fair play to Derry they look miles ahead of the rest of Ulster at this stage although it's only the league so far.
The beauty is, especially in Ulster, on any particular day, a whole ream of things can happen, goals, key players underperforming, injuries etc... Donegal will absolutely give us their fill of it. Not a chance a team managed by McGuinness isn't going all in for championship. Man's back to win trophies
Cavan team out with no Dara McVeety, Jason McLoughlin or Killian Clarke named on the match day panel. Its very hard to see how Cavan can win this match
Quote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
It is a sticky wicket, 3 potentially brutal matches in quick succession while the Dubs & Kerry run their benches.
Quote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Can someone tell me how you don't go 'full throttle' for a championship match. The GAA is full of cliché's like this. Does Mickey tell the lads to take it easy vs Donegal in Celtic park? Does he rest key players so they are fit for the group stage in 2 months time?
The chances are Derry won't win Sam, they maybe have a 25% chance with the bookies, so you keep trying to win everything you can in my view. I'd say most Derry fans will be annoyed if they aren't in another Ulster final.
Quote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! ;D
You men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...
Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.
Quote from: illdecide on April 05, 2024, 09:48:06 AMYou men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...
Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.
Another cliché, showing their hand because they played well. Did Dublin show their hand when they beat Kerry by 10 points. I've heard people say Dublin aren't fully at it yet but the week before people were going to hand them Sam in March. As for aging players, i'd argue our age profile is very good. McKaigue obviously is old but he looks in great form this season. Rogers, McKinless and McFaul around 29 and the rest of the team are all early to mid 20s.
My own take on the ranking for the ulster championship (based on form and the draw).
1 - Derry - out and out team to beat regardless of the draw.
2 - Armagh - draw lends to an 'easier' route to the final.
3 - Donegal - seem to be a resurgence in them, should give Derry a game with a fully fit team.
4 - Down - Should get over Antrim with no fuss, and may catch Armagh on the hop to make it to a final.
5 - Tyrone - should get over the line in their first game, likely to get beat by Derry/Donegal.
6 - Monaghan - expect them to beat Cavan and give Tyrone a game, but fall short at this point.
7 - Fermanagh - expect Armagh to beat them, but it will be a grind for the most of it.
8 - Cavan - no real expectations on Cavan, exit at the first hurdle.
9 - Antrim - Down seem to be showing promise, so expect Antrim to go out at their hands handy enough.
Derry v Armagh a likely final.
Derry's only downfall in my eyes would be injuries to key players(Mc Guigan, Rodgers or Glass) or taking their eye off the ball.
For Armagh to win, they would need to get over the mental hurdle of caving under the pressure of big games that has haunted them this past 3 years.
Quote from: Mario on April 05, 2024, 09:32:30 AMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Can someone tell me how you don't go 'full throttle' for a championship match. The GAA is full of cliché's like this. Does Mickey tell the lads to take it easy vs Donegal in Celtic park? Does he rest key players so they are fit for the group stage in 2 months time?
The chances are Derry won't win Sam, they maybe have a 25% chance with the bookies, so you keep trying to win everything you can in my view. I'd say most Derry fans will be annoyed if they aren't in another Ulster final.
100%.
Winning the next game will be the goal from here on in. Be that Donegal in a QF or Dublin in an AI Final. There's no point in thinking about winning Ulster or Sam if you lose your next game, ultimately it makes it harder.
Harte I expect will pick the team he thinks will get the job done in any given game.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 05, 2024, 09:59:33 AMMy own take on the ranking for the ulster championship (based on form and the draw).
1 - Derry - out and out team to beat regardless of the draw.
2 - Armagh - draw lends to an 'easier' route to the final.
3 - Donegal - seem to be a resurgence in them, should give Derry a game with a fully fit team.
4 - Down - Should get over Antrim with no fuss, and may catch Armagh on the hop to make it to a final.
5 - Tyrone - should get over the line in their first game, likely to get beat by Derry/Donegal.
6 - Monaghan - expect them to beat Cavan and give Tyrone a game, but fall short at this point.
7 - Fermanagh - expect Armagh to beat them, but it will be a grind for the most of it.
8 - Cavan - no real expectations on Cavan, exit at the first hurdle.
9 - Antrim - Down seem to be showing promise, so expect Antrim to go out at their hands handy enough.
Derry v Armagh a likely final.
Derry's only downfall in my eyes would be injuries to key players(Mc Guigan, Rodgers or Glass) or taking their eye off the ball.
For Armagh to win, they would need to get over the mental hurdle of caving under the pressure of big games that has haunted them this past 3 years.
Hard to argue with any of that
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 05, 2024, 09:59:33 AMMy own take on the ranking for the ulster championship (based on form and the draw).
1 - Derry - out and out team to beat regardless of the draw.
2 - Armagh - draw lends to an 'easier' route to the final.
3 - Donegal - seem to be a resurgence in them, should give Derry a game with a fully fit team.
4 - Down - Should get over Antrim with no fuss, and may catch Armagh on the hop to make it to a final.
5 - Tyrone - should get over the line in their first game, likely to get beat by Derry/Donegal.
6 - Monaghan - expect them to beat Cavan and give Tyrone a game, but fall short at this point.
7 - Fermanagh - expect Armagh to beat them, but it will be a grind for the most of it.
8 - Cavan - no real expectations on Cavan, exit at the first hurdle.
9 - Antrim - Down seem to be showing promise, so expect Antrim to go out at their hands handy enough.
Derry v Armagh a likely final.
Derry's only downfall in my eyes would be injuries to key players(Mc Guigan, Rodgers or Glass) or taking their eye off the ball.
For Armagh to win, they would need to get over the mental hurdle of caving under the pressure of big games that has haunted them this past 3 years.
Generally agree - but....
Monaghan could be a different prospect come championship with Beggan back and remember McManus hardly played in the league. If they have both those players available and get back to the sort of form they showed in the Dublin match, I'd expect them to beat Tyrone.
Tyrone - I just dont see it at the minute. Lots of talk about senior players returning from injury. Most of them are well past their best and will struggle to get up to championship level having not played in the league. McCurry has become very inconsistent, I do think Canavan is good but I also think he's markable. McShane might find form, but I really don't see where Tryone can score enough to trouble any of the top teams. Tactically, I think they are lacking too and reports of another player leaving the panel tends to suggest all is not well in the camp.
For me Tyrone v Monaghan is weighted towards Monaghan.
I think the McGuinness thing with Harte should mean Derry less likely to slip up. I still would agree with some here in that I think Kerry and Dublin will be better come summer but they should have enough for ulster. Donegal are the team with the best chance of beating them IMO.
I don't know why you would have Down above Tyrone(or Monaghan). For me if Tyrone show nothing in the championship then they really need new management but even a poor tyrone would beat down by a bit at the minute. There's enough talent in that county they should be number 1 or 2 in ulster. I imagine with Logan's health etc though that's a possibility anyway.
Monaghan are an interesting one. I am not sure what to expect of them. Cavan could beat them yet.
I genuinely believe Donegal could ambush Derry.
McGuinness has been planning for it all year, they've undoubtedly improved since last year and they now have a forward or two to take some of the scoring burden off McBrearty.
Injuries will be key here - Donegal need McHugh and McBrearty fully fit and firing.
Hopefully Derry will be full strength with McKinless back, but I fully expect this game to be close.
I do not see where all this optimism around Donegal comes from, they struggled to beat a poor Armagh by a point. Monaghan and Tyrone are ahead of either Donegal or Armagh in my view. The Draw should see Armagh in the final. Derry's UC will depend on what store they place in a third, but Harte likes to win everything he plays for.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 05, 2024, 10:11:17 AMI genuinely believe Donegal could ambush Derry.
McGuinness has been planning for it all year, they've undoubtedly improved since last year and they now have a forward or two to take some of the scoring burden off McBrearty.
Injuries will be key here - Donegal need McHugh and McBrearty fully fit and firing.
Hopefully Derry will be full strength with McKinless back, but I fully expect this game to be close.
Definitely a chance.
Quote from: illdecide on April 05, 2024, 09:48:06 AMYou men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...
Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.
Thank you! Finally back to earth with a bump.
Though 'showing the full hand' is another classic GAA'ism. The full hand, I'm assuming is kept under lock and key on the training pitch and unleashed during the first provincial game, 'frig me, did you see Donegal' s full hand there?? '.. If it's the full hand, teams will plan accordingly, though you'd really have to have multiple layers of the full hand, as you've a potential semi final / final and AI series.
Bottom line, every knows how eg how Derry play, how every team plays. It's matching their ability to move the ball at ferocious speed and work rate, it's not rocket science. Derry v Donegal, on paper there's only one winner on current form (and taking into account a couple of Donegal injuries). The only way Donegal win is to take the game into the trenches, real ugly defensive mouthy football and hope they hit the net a few times. Full hand Luke
Donegal are a horrible team to play against, the game will be pure skitter as a spectacle.
ULSTER SFC FIXTURES (times BST)
Preliminary round - 7 April
Monaghan v Cavan Clones, 16:00
Quarter-final - 13 April
Down v Antrim Pairc Esler, 18:00
Quarter-final - 14 April
Fermanagh v Armagh Brewster Park, 14:00
Quarter-final - 20 April
Derry v Donegal Celtic Park, 18:15
Quarter-final - 21 April
Tyrone v Monaghan/Cavan TBC
Semi-final - 27 April
Down/Antrim v Fermanagh/Armagh TBC >> If this game the Sat night, will it be Omagh, or would (likely) Down & Armagh toss??
Semi-final - 28 April
Derry/Donegal v Monaghan/Cavan/Tyrone TBC
Final - 12 May
Quote from: 5times5times on April 05, 2024, 11:56:29 AMULSTER SFC FIXTURES (times BST)
Preliminary round - 7 April
Monaghan v Cavan Clones, 16:00
Quarter-final - 13 April
Down v Antrim Pairc Esler, 18:00
Quarter-final - 14 April
Fermanagh v Armagh Brewster Park, 14:00
Quarter-final - 20 April
Derry v Donegal Celtic Park, 18:15
Quarter-final - 21 April
Tyrone v Monaghan/Cavan TBC
Semi-final - 27 April
Down/Antrim v Fermanagh/Armagh TBC >> If this game the Sat night, will it be Omagh, or would (likely) Down & Armagh toss??
Semi-final - 28 April
Derry/Donegal v Monaghan/Cavan/Tyrone TBC
Final - 12 May
Down v Armagh would most likely be Clones. From a personal point of view I'd prefer if they tossed for it, or even played it in Breffini.
I'm still scarred from the drowning I got in Clones last year, and the hiding we got.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 05, 2024, 09:59:33 AMMy own take on the ranking for the ulster championship (based on form and the draw).
1 - Derry - out and out team to beat regardless of the draw.
2 - Armagh - draw lends to an 'easier' route to the final.
3 - Donegal - seem to be a resurgence in them, should give Derry a game with a fully fit team.
4 - Down - Should get over Antrim with no fuss, and may catch Armagh on the hop to make it to a final.
5 - Tyrone - should get over the line in their first game, likely to get beat by Derry/Donegal.
6 - Monaghan - expect them to beat Cavan and give Tyrone a game, but fall short at this point.
7 - Fermanagh - expect Armagh to beat them, but it will be a grind for the most of it.
8 - Cavan - no real expectations on Cavan, exit at the first hurdle.
9 - Antrim - Down seem to be showing promise, so expect Antrim to go out at their hands handy enough.
Derry v Armagh a likely final.
Derry's only downfall in my eyes would be injuries to key players(Mc Guigan, Rodgers or Glass) or taking their eye off the ball.
For Armagh to win, they would need to get over the mental hurdle of caving under the pressure of big games that has haunted them this past 3 years.
I'd agree with most of that but on what basis are Down the 4th best in Ulster? Beating up Tailteann Cup teams does not make them a better side than both Monaghan and Tyrone. Down for me are the 7th best team in Ulster.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 05, 2024, 12:16:31 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 05, 2024, 09:59:33 AMMy own take on the ranking for the ulster championship (based on form and the draw).
1 - Derry - out and out team to beat regardless of the draw.
2 - Armagh - draw lends to an 'easier' route to the final.
3 - Donegal - seem to be a resurgence in them, should give Derry a game with a fully fit team.
4 - Down - Should get over Antrim with no fuss, and may catch Armagh on the hop to make it to a final.
5 - Tyrone - should get over the line in their first game, likely to get beat by Derry/Donegal.
6 - Monaghan - expect them to beat Cavan and give Tyrone a game, but fall short at this point.
7 - Fermanagh - expect Armagh to beat them, but it will be a grind for the most of it.
8 - Cavan - no real expectations on Cavan, exit at the first hurdle.
9 - Antrim - Down seem to be showing promise, so expect Antrim to go out at their hands handy enough.
Derry v Armagh a likely final.
Derry's only downfall in my eyes would be injuries to key players(Mc Guigan, Rodgers or Glass) or taking their eye off the ball.
For Armagh to win, they would need to get over the mental hurdle of caving under the pressure of big games that has haunted them this past 3 years.
I'd agree with most of that but on what basis are Down the 4th best in Ulster? Beating up Tailteann Cup teams does not make them a better side than both Monaghan and Tyrone. Down for me are the 7th best team in Ulster.
He's not saying Down are 4th best team in Ulster, his assumption is that Down will likely get past Antrim and then are 70 min from an Ulster final potentially catching Armagh on the hop, his rankings are reflective of the draw.
(not saying I agree that Down will be anywhere near Armagh IF they get past Antrim)
Quote from: yellowcard on April 05, 2024, 12:16:31 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 05, 2024, 09:59:33 AMMy own take on the ranking for the ulster championship (based on form and the draw).
1 - Derry - out and out team to beat regardless of the draw.
2 - Armagh - draw lends to an 'easier' route to the final.
3 - Donegal - seem to be a resurgence in them, should give Derry a game with a fully fit team.
4 - Down - Should get over Antrim with no fuss, and may catch Armagh on the hop to make it to a final.
5 - Tyrone - should get over the line in their first game, likely to get beat by Derry/Donegal.
6 - Monaghan - expect them to beat Cavan and give Tyrone a game, but fall short at this point.
7 - Fermanagh - expect Armagh to beat them, but it will be a grind for the most of it.
8 - Cavan - no real expectations on Cavan, exit at the first hurdle.
9 - Antrim - Down seem to be showing promise, so expect Antrim to go out at their hands handy enough.
Derry v Armagh a likely final.
Derry's only downfall in my eyes would be injuries to key players(Mc Guigan, Rodgers or Glass) or taking their eye off the ball.
For Armagh to win, they would need to get over the mental hurdle of caving under the pressure of big games that has haunted them this past 3 years.
I'd agree with most of that but on what basis are Down the 4th best in Ulster? Beating up Tailteann Cup teams does not make them a better side than both Monaghan and Tyrone. Down for me are the 7th best team in Ulster.
Don't think he's saying that. But they've probably a better chance of getting to a final given the draw. Tyrone/Monaghan obviously better that Down atm.
Quote from: ardtole on April 05, 2024, 12:01:01 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 05, 2024, 11:56:29 AMULSTER SFC FIXTURES (times BST)
Preliminary round - 7 April
Monaghan v Cavan Clones, 16:00
Quarter-final - 13 April
Down v Antrim Pairc Esler, 18:00
Quarter-final - 14 April
Fermanagh v Armagh Brewster Park, 14:00
Quarter-final - 20 April
Derry v Donegal Celtic Park, 18:15
Quarter-final - 21 April
Tyrone v Monaghan/Cavan TBC
Semi-final - 27 April
Down/Antrim v Fermanagh/Armagh TBC >> If this game the Sat night, will it be Omagh, or would (likely) Down & Armagh toss??
Semi-final - 28 April
Derry/Donegal v Monaghan/Cavan/Tyrone TBC
Final - 12 May
Down v Armagh would most likely be Clones. From a personal point of view I'd prefer if they tossed for it, or even played it in Breffini.
I'm still scarred from the drowning I got in Clones last year, and the hiding we got.
Can Clones host a game in late afternoon/evening with no lights? Saturday game is usually 5/6/7pm??
Quote from: 5times5times on April 05, 2024, 12:49:49 PMCan Clones host a game in late afternoon/evening with no lights? Saturday game is usually 5/6/7pm??
No problem with 5 or 6pm in late April.
your boy on otb says he does not care about provincials
Quote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 09:36:12 AMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! ;D
I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.
Quote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 01:13:23 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 09:36:12 AMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! ;D
I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.
OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...
Quote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 01:38:57 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 01:13:23 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 09:36:12 AMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! ;D
I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.
OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...
"here lads we don't need to win a game between now and the AI final.
Lets party for the next 8 weeks."
Sure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
The more they practice, the luckier they get
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Sure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
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Love this! :)
Quote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 01:38:57 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 01:13:23 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 09:36:12 AMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! ;D
I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.
OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...
I'd be ensuring key players are at the business end, this Derry team don't need another Ulster at the expense of burnout or injuries, they are capable of lifting Sam this year, but in such a compressed season lads need some rest.
Quote from: Mario on April 05, 2024, 09:59:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on April 05, 2024, 09:48:06 AMYou men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...
Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.
Another cliché, showing their hand because they played well. Did Dublin show their hand when they beat Kerry by 10 points. I've heard people say Dublin aren't fully at it yet but the week before people were going to hand them Sam in March. As for aging players, i'd argue our age profile is very good. McKaigue obviously is old but he looks in great form this season. Rogers, McKinless and McFaul around 29 and the rest of the team are all early to mid 20s.
Derry are practically full strength and are doing well, my point being Dublin had 4-5 players still to come back into that team and Cluxton will find his man 99/100 for certain possession. Dublin will only get stronger. Kerry will improve too come late summer so that was my thinking from my earlier comment. Derry are the best team in Ulster from my eye test but are beatable and being in the tough side of the draw it could have an effect on them, only takes a suspension and an injury or two to do the damage.
Armagh will not win the All-Ireland but they can bloody someones nose on the way and can win Ulster if their luck is in.
If i'm ranking Ulster teams i have...
1) - Derry
2) - Armagh
2) - Tyrone
2) - Monaghan
2) - Donegal
6) - Cavan
7) - Down
8) - Fermanagh
9) - Antrim
Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are all similar levels and capable of beating each other and if it falls right for them on the day with some luck can beat Derry too. If i'm honest Antrim are 9th but Cavan, Fermanagh and Down are similar level too but that level is below the level of the quartet mentioned.
Quote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 02:35:37 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 01:38:57 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 01:13:23 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 09:36:12 AMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! ;D
I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.
OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...
I'd be ensuring key players are at the business end, this Derry team don't need another Ulster at the expense of burnout or injuries, they are capable of lifting Sam this year, but in such a compressed season lads need some rest.
How do you know they're not getting a rest? So you dont think there's a team behind them managing their collective and individual work load. Do you not think elite footballers can manage a game a week with lighter rest weeks and weekends off inbetween? What about training, half the training to prevent injuries, rest and wrap key men in cotton wool and hope they've the sharpness to try and down a Kerry or Dublin in AI semi finals and final?
God you seem a bit tetchy, I am a fan and would rather see Derry win Sam than Kerry or Dublin, but sure swipe all aside, another Ulster will be great with your National League.
Quote from: illdecide on April 05, 2024, 02:45:10 PMQuote from: Mario on April 05, 2024, 09:59:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on April 05, 2024, 09:48:06 AMYou men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...
Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.
Another cliché, showing their hand because they played well. Did Dublin show their hand when they beat Kerry by 10 points. I've heard people say Dublin aren't fully at it yet but the week before people were going to hand them Sam in March. As for aging players, i'd argue our age profile is very good. McKaigue obviously is old but he looks in great form this season. Rogers, McKinless and McFaul around 29 and the rest of the team are all early to mid 20s.
Derry are practically full strength and are doing well, my point being Dublin had 4-5 players still to come back into that team and Cluxton will find his man 99/100 for certain possession. Dublin will only get stronger. Kerry will improve too come late summer so that was my thinking from my earlier comment. Derry are the best team in Ulster from my eye test but are beatable and being in the tough side of the draw it could have an effect on them, only takes a suspension and an injury or two to do the damage.
Armagh will not win the All-Ireland but they can bloody someones nose on the way and can win Ulster if their luck is in.
If i'm ranking Ulster teams i have...
1) - Derry
2) - Armagh
2) - Tyrone
2) - Monaghan
2) - Donegal
6) - Cavan
7) - Down
8) - Fermanagh
9) - Antrim
Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are all similar levels and capable of beating each other and if it falls right for them on the day with some luck can beat Derry too. If i'm honest Antrim are 9th but Cavan, Fermanagh and Down are similar level too but that level is below the level of the quartet mentioned.
Its a fair point that Dublin have 4 or 5 players to come back in,
But I am wondering about the 4 or 5 players that had a bad game on Sunday and need replacing?
From what I observed half or more of that 4 or 5 might well be the more established players.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 05, 2024, 03:28:56 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 05, 2024, 02:45:10 PMQuote from: Mario on April 05, 2024, 09:59:06 AMQuote from: illdecide on April 05, 2024, 09:48:06 AMYou men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...
Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.
Another cliché, showing their hand because they played well. Did Dublin show their hand when they beat Kerry by 10 points. I've heard people say Dublin aren't fully at it yet but the week before people were going to hand them Sam in March. As for aging players, i'd argue our age profile is very good. McKaigue obviously is old but he looks in great form this season. Rogers, McKinless and McFaul around 29 and the rest of the team are all early to mid 20s.
Derry are practically full strength and are doing well, my point being Dublin had 4-5 players still to come back into that team and Cluxton will find his man 99/100 for certain possession. Dublin will only get stronger. Kerry will improve too come late summer so that was my thinking from my earlier comment. Derry are the best team in Ulster from my eye test but are beatable and being in the tough side of the draw it could have an effect on them, only takes a suspension and an injury or two to do the damage.
Armagh will not win the All-Ireland but they can bloody someones nose on the way and can win Ulster if their luck is in.
If i'm ranking Ulster teams i have...
1) - Derry
2) - Armagh
2) - Tyrone
2) - Monaghan
2) - Donegal
6) - Cavan
7) - Down
8) - Fermanagh
9) - Antrim
Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are all similar levels and capable of beating each other and if it falls right for them on the day with some luck can beat Derry too. If i'm honest Antrim are 9th but Cavan, Fermanagh and Down are similar level too but that level is below the level of the quartet mentioned.
Its a fair point that Dublin have 4 or 5 players to come back in,
But I am wondering about the 4 or 5 players that had a bad game on Sunday and need replacing?
From what I observed half or more of that 4 or 5 might well be the more established players.
The year is 2165 and Stephen Cluxton is about to win his 100th All Ireland aged 182!!
Dublin are (or were) playing off about 20 players. Kerry were similar. Derry are definitely better this year but the key question is that when it counts in those last ten in the tight games will they have enough in reserve. Last year they subbed McGrogan and then the sub got subbed so they definitely struggled for depth. Dublin and Kerry really squeeze in the last 10-15 minutes and that is where the game is won not the first 55 which the ulster teams are better at... Even look at the AI final last year where dublin outscored Kerry by about 7 to 2 or something like that in the last 10-15. I don't think it can be overstated how much damage Jack McCaffrey does with his pace off the bench.
That said I do see this argument people have about what if Derry lose McGuigan. What if Kerry lose Clifford or Dublin O'Callaghan. They then say what about Glass well what about Fenton.
Yep Down about 7th I would say about right. Sadly I think they'll have far too much for antrim but the armagh game the big test. Armagh will be sore from the last day which should get rid of any complacency.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 03:45:37 PMDublin are (or were) playing off about 20 players. Kerry were similar. Derry are definitely better this year but the key question is that when it counts in those last ten in the tight games will they have enough in reserve. Last year they subbed McGrogan and then the sub got subbed so they definitely struggled for depth. Dublin and Kerry really squeeze in the last 10-15 minutes and that is where the game is won not the first 55 which the ulster teams are better at... Even look at the AI final last year where dublin outscored Kerry by about 7 to 2 or something like that in the last 10-15. I don't think it can be overstated how much damage Jack McCaffrey does with his pace off the bench.
That said I do see this argument people have about what if Derry lose McGuigan. What if Kerry lose Clifford or Dublin O'Callaghan. They then say what about Glass well what about Fenton.
Yep Down about 7th I would say about right. Sadly I think they'll have far too much for antrim but the armagh game the big test. Armagh will be sore from the last day which should get rid of any complacency.
Last years Ulster Final and Quarter Final should have sorted the complacency.
Quote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 02:58:43 PMGod you seem a bit tetchy, I am a fan and would rather see Derry win Sam than Kerry or Dublin, but sure swipe all aside, another Ulster will be great with your National League.
Not at all. Just curious ;D. I'd love to see them win it too Tones!
Quote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Any examples of when other Ulster teams didn't go all out to win Ulster and as a direct result they won an AI?
Will likely be changes before throw in for Sunday's Ulster championship opener. Beggan to start? No Stephen O'Hanlon, Andrew Woods, Dessie Ward or Ryan McAnespie in the 26 for Monaghan. Cavan without Killian Clarke,Dara McVeety,Jason McLoughlin,Ryan O'Neill.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKZbdvNXYAAAcIL?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 02:46:56 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 02:35:37 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 01:38:57 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 01:13:23 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 09:36:12 AMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:09:44 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 10:05:12 PMDon't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.
A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.
Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! ;D
I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.
OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...
I'd be ensuring key players are at the business end, this Derry team don't need another Ulster at the expense of burnout or injuries, they are capable of lifting Sam this year, but in such a compressed season lads need some rest.
How do you know they're not getting a rest? So you dont think there's a team behind them managing their collective and individual work load. Do you not think elite footballers can manage a game a week with lighter rest weeks and weekends off inbetween? What about training, half the training to prevent injuries, rest and wrap key men in cotton wool and hope they've the sharpness to try and down a Kerry or Dublin in AI semi finals and final?
Agreed. Some teams now are trained as professionals. Derry are the fittest team in Ireland. Dublin, Donegal, Armagh, Mayo probably not far behind. They could definetly pick up injuries but i dont think they'd be due to fatigue. Derry for example last year: Ulster final played on 14th May, their first group game was on the 27th May, the last group game was 17th June, 2nd July QF and 16th July SF. They had 3 months to play 8 games from start of Ulster to the AI SF
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 05, 2024, 04:09:57 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Any examples of when other Ulster teams didn't go all out to win Ulster and as a direct result they won an AI?
In the second year if the current competition?
Quote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 05:08:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 05, 2024, 04:09:57 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Any examples of when other Ulster teams didn't go all out to win Ulster and as a direct result they won an AI?
In the second year if the current competition?
Tyrone had a fair degree of ambivalence to the USFC in noughties. But I'm sure that's the response you were waiting for to refute it.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 05:19:09 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 05:08:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 05, 2024, 04:09:57 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Any examples of when other Ulster teams didn't go all out to win Ulster and as a direct result they won an AI?
In the second year if the current competition?
Tyrone had a fair degree of ambivalence to the USFC in noughties. But I'm sure that's the response you were waiting for to refute it.
Harte and the players?
It's not about taking it easy it's about when you train to peak.
If it was knock out Tyrone would have had a few more provincial wins under their belts and probably mayo the same in Connacht. Not because they didn't try either.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 06:35:18 PMIt's not about taking it easy it's about when you train to peak.
If it was knock out Tyrone would have had a few more provincial wins under their belts and probably mayo the same in Connacht. Not because they didn't try either.
"Mickey, we're gonna take the training handy until after Ulster" "fine by me"
Quote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:40:51 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 06:35:18 PMIt's not about taking it easy it's about when you train to peak.
If it was knock out Tyrone would have had a few more provincial wins under their belts and probably mayo the same in Connacht. Not because they didn't try either.
"Mickey, we're gonna take the training handy until after Ulster" "fine by me"
Top teams definitely tailor their training etc to peak later in the year. Look how often that brilliant Mayo team were beat in Connacht.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2024, 06:49:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:40:51 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 06:35:18 PMIt's not about taking it easy it's about when you train to peak.
If it was knock out Tyrone would have had a few more provincial wins under their belts and probably mayo the same in Connacht. Not because they didn't try either.
"Mickey, we're gonna take the training handy until after Ulster" "fine by me"
Top teams definitely tailor their training etc to peak later in the year. Look how often that brilliant Mayo team were beat in Connacht.
Mayo sailed close to the win in a lot of games. For example on route to All Ireland finals they needed extra time and replays to win a lot of games.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 05, 2024, 07:02:33 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2024, 06:49:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:40:51 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 06:35:18 PMIt's not about taking it easy it's about when you train to peak.
If it was knock out Tyrone would have had a few more provincial wins under their belts and probably mayo the same in Connacht. Not because they didn't try either.
"Mickey, we're gonna take the training handy until after Ulster" "fine by me"
Top teams definitely tailor their training etc to peak later in the year. Look how often that brilliant Mayo team were beat in Connacht.
Mayo sailed close to the win in a lot of games. For example on route to All Ireland finals they needed extra time and replays to win a lot of games.
Didnt Derry (at one of their lowest points) run them very close one year in the back door?
I have decided , with reference to my vast experience and astronomical wisdom, to leave the decisions as to best course of action to Mickey Harte and the Derry team.
I do hope they are not offended by my failure to offer direction.
But I think it for the best.
Wouldn't want Jim Mc Guinness to feel that Derry had an undue advantage.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 05, 2024, 07:10:25 PMI have decided , with reference to my vast experience and astronomical wisdom, to leave the decisions as to best course of action to Mickey Harte and the Derry team.
I do hope they are not offended by my failure to offer direction.
But I think it for the best.
Wouldn't want Jim Mc Guinness to feel that Derry had an undue advantage.
Probably for the best, give the others a chance and all ;)
Quote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:32:15 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 05:19:09 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 05:08:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 05, 2024, 04:09:57 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Any examples of when other Ulster teams didn't go all out to win Ulster and as a direct result they won an AI?
In the second year if the current competition?
Tyrone had a fair degree of ambivalence to the USFC in noughties. But I'm sure that's the response you were waiting for to refute it.
Harte and the players?
"A couple of years we were of the mindset that we were going to win the All-Ireland and were beaten in the first round. It didn't do us any harm. We went on to win it from there twice."
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-legend-sean-cavanagh-issues-28938977#google_vignette
A quote from Sean Cavanagh today funny enough.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2024, 07:05:16 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 05, 2024, 07:02:33 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2024, 06:49:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:40:51 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 06:35:18 PMIt's not about taking it easy it's about when you train to peak.
If it was knock out Tyrone would have had a few more provincial wins under their belts and probably mayo the same in Connacht. Not because they didn't try either.
"Mickey, we're gonna take the training handy until after Ulster" "fine by me"
Top teams definitely tailor their training etc to peak later in the year. Look how often that brilliant Mayo team were beat in Connacht.
Mayo sailed close to the win in a lot of games. For example on route to All Ireland finals they needed extra time and replays to win a lot of games.
Didnt Derry (at one of their lowest points) run them very close one year in the back door?
Yes in 2017.
Yes took mayo to extra time in castlebar only for mayo to runaway with it then.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2024, 06:49:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:40:51 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 06:35:18 PMIt's not about taking it easy it's about when you train to peak.
If it was knock out Tyrone would have had a few more provincial wins under their belts and probably mayo the same in Connacht. Not because they didn't try either.
"Mickey, we're gonna take the training handy until after Ulster" "fine by me"
Top teams definitely tailor their training etc to peak later in the year. Look how often that brilliant Mayo team were beat in Connacht.
It depends what your goal is. It was always Sam for Mayo. Team like Armagh desperately need to win an Ulster so would be peaking earlier
Quote from: Itchy on April 05, 2024, 09:04:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2024, 06:49:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:40:51 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 06:35:18 PMIt's not about taking it easy it's about when you train to peak.
If it was knock out Tyrone would have had a few more provincial wins under their belts and probably mayo the same in Connacht. Not because they didn't try either.
"Mickey, we're gonna take the training handy until after Ulster" "fine by me"
Top teams definitely tailor their training etc to peak later in the year. Look how often that brilliant Mayo team were beat in Connacht.
It depends what your goal is. It was always Sam for Mayo. Team like Armagh desperately need to win an Ulster so would be peaking earlier
Yeah think we peaked very early in 2022 and got off to a great start in the league and ended up falling flat in Ulster. Roscommon last year as well seemed to target the league and prioritised getting points on the board to stay up.
. Whereas Dublin can afford to stroll through Leinster and not break sweat until a semi final.
2022 we peaked early ffs are you not mortified by these posts.
Quote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 09:35:14 PM2022 we peaked early ffs are you not mortified by these posts.
No, he is not mortified, or he would won the league prediction competition.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 07:15:40 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:32:15 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 05:19:09 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 05:08:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 05, 2024, 04:09:57 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Any examples of when other Ulster teams didn't go all out to win Ulster and as a direct result they won an AI?
In the second year if the current competition?
Tyrone had a fair degree of ambivalence to the USFC in noughties. But I'm sure that's the response you were waiting for to refute it.
Harte and the players?
"A couple of years we were of the mindset that we were going to win the All-Ireland and were beaten in the first round. It didn't do us any harm. We went on to win it from there twice."
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-legend-sean-cavanagh-issues-28938977#google_vignette
A quote from Sean Cavanagh today funny enough.
But you know yourself that it's not true.
2008 was the only time that happen for Sean.
2005 was the Ulster Final (replay)
Some mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Yep.
When Dublin beat Derry in celtic park Derry and Mickey Harte had bottled it, and feared Dublin. When they trounced Tyrone, they were the real deal.
Everything they done was calculated and fluid. They were the masters of the game and everyone else were to be also rans.
They didn't beat Derry and suddenly it was all about the players that were not playing, but nobody will identify the players to be replaced.
Dublin will only improve and Derry were playing at their limit.
As in all matters the narrative must suit the bias.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 09:15:41 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Yep.
When Dublin beat Derry in celtic park Derry and Mickey Harte had bottled it, and feared Dublin. When they trounced Tyrone, they were the real deal.
Everything they done was calculated and fluid. They were the masters of the game and everyone else were to be also rans.
They didn't beat Derry and suddenly it was all about the players that were not playing, but nobody will identify the players to be replaced.
Dublin will only improve and Derry were playing at their limit.
As in all matters the narrative must suit the bias.
I see Colm Boyle saying that today as well. Derry couldn't beat the dubs at 70%. The week before he tipped the dubs to win comfortably and now he's quoting the players missing. Dublin's biggest fans in the media are often the former Mayo players. I think by bigging up the Dubs it helps build up their team who could never beat them
Quote from: Mario on April 06, 2024, 12:14:02 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 09:15:41 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Yep.
When Dublin beat Derry in celtic park Derry and Mickey Harte had bottled it, and feared Dublin. When they trounced Tyrone, they were the real deal.
Everything they done was calculated and fluid. They were the masters of the game and everyone else were to be also rans.
They didn't beat Derry and suddenly it was all about the players that were not playing, but nobody will identify the players to be replaced.
Dublin will only improve and Derry were playing at their limit.
As in all matters the narrative must suit the bias.
I see Colm Boyle saying that today as well. Derry couldn't beat the dubs at 70%. The week before he tipped the dubs to win comfortably and now he's quoting the players missing. Dublin's biggest fans in the media are often the former Mayo players. I think by bigging up the Dubs it helps build up their team who could never beat them
Found his article.
He didnt name the players to be replaced on this team of titans operating at 70% that Derry couldn't beat at 100%.
Probably all the better for Mickey Harte.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 01:04:12 PMQuote from: Mario on April 06, 2024, 12:14:02 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 09:15:41 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Yep.
When Dublin beat Derry in celtic park Derry and Mickey Harte had bottled it, and feared Dublin. When they trounced Tyrone, they were the real deal.
Everything they done was calculated and fluid. They were the masters of the game and everyone else were to be also rans.
They didn't beat Derry and suddenly it was all about the players that were not playing, but nobody will identify the players to be replaced.
Dublin will only improve and Derry were playing at their limit.
As in all matters the narrative must suit the bias.
I see Colm Boyle saying that today as well. Derry couldn't beat the dubs at 70%. The week before he tipped the dubs to win comfortably and now he's quoting the players missing. Dublin's biggest fans in the media are often the former Mayo players. I think by bigging up the Dubs it helps build up their team who could never beat them
Found his article.
He didnt name the players to be replaced on this team of titans operating at 70% that Derry couldn't beat at 100%.
Probably all the better for Mickey Harte.
'My only worry for Derry is that they were at their absolute peak and Dublin were maybe at 70%. And Dublin will raise the bar again come the Championship, I'm sure of that.'How can he know that Derry were at their absolute peak, has he the inside track to their preparations? I'd say practically every county will improve come championship time. Derry haven't even gone on their foreign training camp yet, will they not learn things and improve their preparation there.
And if Dublin were operating at only 70% as he suggests then they may as well just hand them Sam now.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 01:38:15 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 01:04:12 PMQuote from: Mario on April 06, 2024, 12:14:02 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 09:15:41 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Yep.
When Dublin beat Derry in celtic park Derry and Mickey Harte had bottled it, and feared Dublin. When they trounced Tyrone, they were the real deal.
Everything they done was calculated and fluid. They were the masters of the game and everyone else were to be also rans.
They didn't beat Derry and suddenly it was all about the players that were not playing, but nobody will identify the players to be replaced.
Dublin will only improve and Derry were playing at their limit.
As in all matters the narrative must suit the bias.
I see Colm Boyle saying that today as well. Derry couldn't beat the dubs at 70%. The week before he tipped the dubs to win comfortably and now he's quoting the players missing. Dublin's biggest fans in the media are often the former Mayo players. I think by bigging up the Dubs it helps build up their team who could never beat them
Found his article.
He didnt name the players to be replaced on this team of titans operating at 70% that Derry couldn't beat at 100%.
Probably all the better for Mickey Harte.
'My only worry for Derry is that they were at their absolute peak and Dublin were maybe at 70%. And Dublin will raise the bar again come the Championship, I'm sure of that.'
How can he know that Derry were at their absolute peak, has he the inside track to their preparations? I'd say practically every county will improve come championship time. Derry haven't even gone on their foreign training camp yet, will they not learn things and improve their preparation there.
And if Dublin were operating at only 70% as he suggests then they may as well just hand them Sam now.
But sure they were absolute perfection the week before when they beat Tyrone.
And Derry had no chance before the ball was thrown in.
How can Derry not improve, lachlann Murray is only starting. Mc Guigan was far from his best. Nialls Toner and Loughlin are getting better each week.
There are heaps of room for Derry to improve
Derry have been to Croke twice now recently and performed well on both occasions, against Kerry and Dublin. That's huge in mental terms.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 01:38:15 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 01:04:12 PMQuote from: Mario on April 06, 2024, 12:14:02 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 09:15:41 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Yep.
When Dublin beat Derry in celtic park Derry and Mickey Harte had bottled it, and feared Dublin. When they trounced Tyrone, they were the real deal.
Everything they done was calculated and fluid. They were the masters of the game and everyone else were to be also rans.
They didn't beat Derry and suddenly it was all about the players that were not playing, but nobody will identify the players to be replaced.
Dublin will only improve and Derry were playing at their limit.
As in all matters the narrative must suit the bias.
I see Colm Boyle saying that today as well. Derry couldn't beat the dubs at 70%. The week before he tipped the dubs to win comfortably and now he's quoting the players missing. Dublin's biggest fans in the media are often the former Mayo players. I think by bigging up the Dubs it helps build up their team who could never beat them
Found his article.
He didnt name the players to be replaced on this team of titans operating at 70% that Derry couldn't beat at 100%.
Probably all the better for Mickey Harte.
'My only worry for Derry is that they were at their absolute peak and Dublin were maybe at 70%. And Dublin will raise the bar again come the Championship, I'm sure of that.'
How can he know that Derry were at their absolute peak, has he the inside track to their preparations? I'd say practically every county will improve come championship time. Derry haven't even gone on their foreign training camp yet, will they not learn things and improve their preparation there.
And if Dublin were operating at only 70% as he suggests then they may as well just hand them Sam now.
Made for a high scoring game and enjoyable for the neutrals to watch with some journalists losing the run of themselves thinking that's the way games will or should be played but it was fairly obvious that neither side was near their peak in regards to defensively in that match.
Handy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
Quote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Ah would you houl yer whisht and stop talking sense. No place for that on here 😂
Quote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Quote from: Mario on April 06, 2024, 12:14:02 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 09:15:41 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Yep.
When Dublin beat Derry in celtic park Derry and Mickey Harte had bottled it, and feared Dublin. When they trounced Tyrone, they were the real deal.
Everything they done was calculated and fluid. They were the masters of the game and everyone else were to be also rans.
They didn't beat Derry and suddenly it was all about the players that were not playing, but nobody will identify the players to be replaced.
Dublin will only improve and Derry were playing at their limit.
As in all matters the narrative must suit the bias.
I see Colm Boyle saying that today as well. Derry couldn't beat the dubs at 70%. The week before he tipped the dubs to win comfortably and now he's quoting the players missing. Dublin's biggest fans in the media are often the former Mayo players. I think by bigging up the Dubs it helps build up their team who could never beat them
I was thinking about this.
Now in my opinion had Dublin won the game by 3 or four points you might get away with saying they were running at 70%. But when they actually only just manage a draw, with a late free you would be wondering why a team, with so much skill, ability and ambition cant sum up enough intestinal fortitude to raise their game by one or two percent to see the dogged lesser opposition off. Unless of course you are already running at 100 percent.
The only certainty this championship season is that Derry ones are going to be very hard to listen to.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Cavan were pretty bad in the league but still were hard to beat. Meath for example should have had them beat out the gate by half time in Breffni but by the 60th minute Cavan were ahead.
Monaghan are brittle and low on confidence, plus they are missing their big attacking threats.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on April 06, 2024, 09:30:42 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Cavan were pretty bad in the league but still were hard to beat. Meath for example should have had them beat out the gate by half time in Breffni but by the 60th minute Cavan were ahead.
Monaghan are brittle and low on confidence, plus they are missing their big attacking threats.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
I hope you go ahead and put a shít load of money on that one.
Anyway that's enough talk about other teams in Ulster, let's get back to chat about the AI Final Derry ('the second coming') V the Dubs
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on April 06, 2024, 09:30:42 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Cavan were pretty bad in the league but still were hard to beat. Meath for example should have had them beat out the gate by half time in Breffni but by the 60th minute Cavan were ahead.
Monaghan are brittle and low on confidence, plus they are missing their big attacking threats.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
It reminds me of 2020 this run up to this game. No one giving Cavan a chance, particularly our own fans. Maybe they'll come out shooting.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on April 06, 2024, 09:30:42 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Cavan were pretty bad in the league but still were hard to beat. Meath for example should have had them beat out the gate by half time in Breffni but by the 60th minute Cavan were ahead.
Monaghan are brittle and low on confidence, plus they are missing their big attacking threats.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
Cavan were easy to score against and beat in their two league games against Armagh,Fermanagh. Monaghan will have put league relegation behind them and against Tyrone,Mayo in round 6,7 they showed they are coming into form again. In David Garland,Jack McCarron,Conor McManus, Michael Bannigan etc Monaghan have forwards to cause damage if Cavan defend as poorly again. You might get decent value however bet responsibly.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 06, 2024, 09:04:44 PMThe only certainty this championship season is that Derry ones are going to be very hard to listen to.
;D I know someone who'll give Derry folk a run for their money.
Half time Monaghan 0-7 Cavan 0-5
Both teams have been average going forward but some great defending at both ends.
Monaghan with the better forwards worth the 2 point advantage at @ HT. It looks a tight breeze though can Cavan reel them in second half?
Not a big crowd. McArthur not full.
The only certainty is that Ulster football today is very hard to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaaL-z4z3wo
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Horrible injury for Hughes hope it isn't as serious as it looks!
Padraig Faulkner goal puts Cavan in front 1-9 to 0-10 62 minutes played possible shock on the cards?
Set up for a grandstand finish here!
Monaghan hit the front again 1-11 to 1-10. 69 minutes played.
Goal for Monaghan in the 6th minute of added time they lead by two.
Full Time Monaghan 1-12 Cavan 3-12. Late goal seals a fine win in Clones.
Cracking goal for Cavan.
Enjoyable game. Great pass and finish by Lynch. Well done Cavan.
Monaghan are either shite or planning to peak for the round robin
Well the normal shock result in the Ulster Championship is first day out.
How can McMahon not give Paddy Lynch motm.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2024, 05:40:27 PMHow can McMahon not give Paddy Lynch motm.
Beggan won't be about to accept the award anyway
A day of shock results well done Cavan. Wishing Hughes a speedy recovery.
so how does that effect things will Monaghan be in pot 4 now
Enjoyable open second half. Paddy Lynch is a fine footballer.
And that's why the league doesn't really count, in the grand scheme of things.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 07, 2024, 05:44:42 PMso how does that effect things will Monaghan be in pot 4 now
Be Pot 3 id say unless their is a raft of shock provincial finalists.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 07, 2024, 05:44:42 PMso how does that effect things will Monaghan be in pot 4 now
More likely still 3.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2024, 05:40:27 PMHow can McMahon not give Paddy Lynch motm.
to score 1-9 and not get motm is bit of a strange one, thought he was the clear stand out player
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 07, 2024, 05:56:10 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2024, 05:40:27 PMHow can McMahon not give Paddy Lynch motm.
to score 1-9 and not get motm is bit of a strange one, thought he was the clear stand out player
Faulkner got it on RTE. Niall Carolan was excellent too.
Really enjoyed that game. Thought Cavan had blown it after seeming to be in control at 1-10 to 0-10 but fair play to them, they rallied again after that with a big finish and were deserving winners. Played the conditions really well. Going to be a very tough game for Tyrone.
Monaghan pretty underwhelming but still capable of being very awkward opponents in the weeks ahead. Best wishes to Darren Hughes and hopefully injury isn't as bad as it appeared.
Quote from: Main Street on April 06, 2024, 11:02:28 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on April 06, 2024, 09:30:42 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Cavan were pretty bad in the league but still were hard to beat. Meath for example should have had them beat out the gate by half time in Breffni but by the 60th minute Cavan were ahead.
Monaghan are brittle and low on confidence, plus they are missing their big attacking threats.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
I hope you go ahead and put a shít load of money on that one.
Anyway that's enough talk about other teams in Ulster, let's get back to chat about the AI Final Derry ('the second coming') V the Dubs
€30 at 17/2 worked out nicely. It was always going to happen
Quote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 04:38:38 PMThe only certainty is that Ulster football today is very hard to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaaL-z4z3wo
That aged well
Very entertaining game of football.
Well done Cavan
Quote from: Main Street on April 06, 2024, 11:02:28 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on April 06, 2024, 09:30:42 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
I hope you go ahead and put a shít load of money on that one.
;D
If Monaghan can constantly put it up to Tyrone than why can't Cavan.
We've a awful inferiority complex when it comes to Tyrone beaten before we hit the field.
Let's hope it's changed under this management.
As that Tyrone side can be vulnerable.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on April 07, 2024, 06:21:00 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 06, 2024, 11:02:28 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on April 06, 2024, 09:30:42 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
I hope you go ahead and put a shít load of money on that one.
;D
lol
Well dunno where that came from but up Cavan. Beggan mom, what are they smoking in BBC?
What a great bet!
Quote from: Itchy on April 07, 2024, 07:23:00 PMWell dunno where that came from but up Cavan. Beggan mom, what are they smoking in BBC?
Ridiculous decision, they were dying to give it to Beggan simply due to the fact that he got an NFL trial.
Quote from: Main Street on April 06, 2024, 11:02:28 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on April 06, 2024, 09:30:42 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Cavan were pretty bad in the league but still were hard to beat. Meath for example should have had them beat out the gate by half time in Breffni but by the 60th minute Cavan were ahead.
Monaghan are brittle and low on confidence, plus they are missing their big attacking threats.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
I hope you go ahead and put a shít load of money on that one.
Anyway that's enough talk about other teams in Ulster, let's get back to chat about the AI Final Derry ('the second coming') V the Dubs
Hopefully he had the house on it! Some bet lol
Cavan fully deserving of that, well done.
Best wishes to big Hughes, hopefully not as serious as it looks
Well deserved for Cavan, the only criticism I'd have is that the game should have been in their bag long before their second goal. Dreadful lifeless performance by Monaghan and management.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 07, 2024, 06:31:08 PMIf Monaghan can constantly put it up to Tyrone than why can't Cavan.
We've a awful inferiority complex when it comes to Tyrone beaten before we hit the field.
Let's hope it's changed under this management.
As that Tyrone side can be vulnerable.
Our contemporary record against Tyrone in Ulster SFC is absolutely deplorable. What few draws we managed when catching them on the hop the first day were routinely followed by chastening hammerings in the replays. You'd think the underage successes would have changed the mindset but nope. No victory in SFC over Tyrone since 1983! If we pull it off this year there'll be some surge of self belief.
Is Tyrone/ Cavan in Omagh?
Quote from: Cavan19 on April 07, 2024, 10:33:24 PMIs Tyrone/ Cavan in Omagh?
No, Breffni. Cavan were away today, so they get home next day out. Tyrone would have been at home if Monaghan won
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 07, 2024, 10:34:17 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 07, 2024, 10:33:24 PMIs Tyrone/ Cavan in Omagh?
No, Breffni. Cavan were away today, so they get home next day out. Tyrone would have been at home if Monaghan won
Thanks
It's reported Darren Hughes is home out of hospital tonight and there's nothing broken in his leg. An MRI in the coming days will determine the extent of ligament damage.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 07, 2024, 11:36:32 PMIt's reported Darren Hughes is home out of hospital tonight and there's nothing broken in his leg. An MRI in the coming days will determine the extent of ligament damage.
Saw that from Cahair O'Kane. Could be one of those ones where you might have been better breaking your leg. I blew my knee 10 years ago and surgeon said a bone break would have been easier to fix
Doesn't send a great message to the rest of the squad when Beggan can just swan back in, with no training, and start.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2024, 12:21:46 AMDoesn't send a great message to the rest of the squad when Beggan can just swan back in, with no training, and start.
And it was obvious too. All well and good kicking for months in practice, and running reps in the US, but clear he was short of match play compared to others out there. He looked goosed multiple times 2nd half late on and got caught once, and even some of his placed kicks were off target when he was blowing a bit and fatigued
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2024, 12:21:46 AMDoesn't send a great message to the rest of the squad when Beggan can just swan back in, with no training, and start.
If 14 odd years of unbroken and exemplary service doesn't build enough points to do this, then I'm at a loss to understand the "gaa mindset".
I would love to see teams launching kickouts out on top of the opposition goalkeeper when he comes out to stand on one side of the pitch during kickouts it's a great platform to attack and go for goal if they opposition don't win it as there is 65m of open field to drive into.
Quote from: Cavan19 on April 08, 2024, 08:47:59 AMI would love to see teams launching kickouts out on top of the opposition goalkeeper when he comes out to stand on one side of the pitch during kickouts it's a great platform to attack and go for goal if they opposition don't win it as there is 65m of open field to drive into.
Agree. Not sure why this isnt done. There is no risk to the team with the kickout but there is a potential for a huge reward
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 08, 2024, 09:11:42 AMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 08, 2024, 08:47:59 AMI would love to see teams launching kickouts out on top of the opposition goalkeeper when he comes out to stand on one side of the pitch during kickouts it's a great platform to attack and go for goal if they opposition don't win it as there is 65m of open field to drive into.
Agree. Not sure why this isnt done. There is no risk to the team with the kickout but there is a potential for a huge reward
Probably because you will be outnumbered under the ball if you do that?
Quote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 07:15:40 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:32:15 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 05:19:09 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 05:08:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 05, 2024, 04:09:57 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Any examples of when other Ulster teams didn't go all out to win Ulster and as a direct result they won an AI?
In the second year if the current competition?
Tyrone had a fair degree of ambivalence to the USFC in noughties. But I'm sure that's the response you were waiting for to refute it.
Harte and the players?
"A couple of years we were of the mindset that we were going to win the All-Ireland and were beaten in the first round. It didn't do us any harm. We went on to win it from there twice."
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-legend-sean-cavanagh-issues-28938977#google_vignette
A quote from Sean Cavanagh today funny enough.
Cavanagh is becoming the new Joe Brolly.
Brolly is more palatable and that is saying something...
Quote from: yellowcard on April 07, 2024, 07:45:19 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 07, 2024, 07:23:00 PMWell dunno where that came from but up Cavan. Beggan mom, what are they smoking in BBC?
Ridiculous decision, they were dying to give it to Beggan simply due to the fact that he got an NFL trial.
Personally thought Beggan should have done better for that first goal in injury time.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 08, 2024, 09:31:48 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 07:15:40 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 05, 2024, 06:32:15 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 05:19:09 PMQuote from: Tones on April 05, 2024, 05:08:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 05, 2024, 04:09:57 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 05, 2024, 01:55:34 PMSure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
Any examples of when other Ulster teams didn't go all out to win Ulster and as a direct result they won an AI?
In the second year if the current competition?
Tyrone had a fair degree of ambivalence to the USFC in noughties. But I'm sure that's the response you were waiting for to refute it.
Harte and the players?
"A couple of years we were of the mindset that we were going to win the All-Ireland and were beaten in the first round. It didn't do us any harm. We went on to win it from there twice."
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-legend-sean-cavanagh-issues-28938977#google_vignette
A quote from Sean Cavanagh today funny enough.
Cavanagh is becoming the new Joe Brolly.
Cavanagh hasn't an original thought it his head.
You'd think they went out to lose first round games.
If he's on RTE, or Cora Staunton, I switch over. I'd rather watch cardboard commentating.
Fair play Cavan, deserved the win to be fair.
First half was brutal though from both teams.
I think this is 2 teams heading in opposite directions passing each other, Monaghan are on the slide with their better players aging whereas Cavan are improving.
I think Cavan will give Tyrone a real game of it. Tyrone nothing to be afraid of at the minute. They've had 1 decent half of football all year against a depleted Mayo team, so it's even hard to read much into that.
Cavan could well edge it playing the way the did in the final quarter of that game.
Beggan was basically walking back when the break for the 3rd goal was on, looked very bad.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 08, 2024, 09:43:13 AMFair play Cavan, deserved the win to be fair.
First half was brutal though from both teams.
I think this is 2 teams heading in opposite directions passing each other, Monaghan are on the slide with their better players aging whereas Cavan are improving.
I think Cavan will give Tyrone a real game of it. Tyrone nothing to be afraid of at the minute. They've had 1 decent half of football all year against a depleted Mayo team, so it's even hard to read much into that.
Cavan could well edge it playing the way the did in the final quarter of that game.
I though Cavan were brilliant in the first half :o
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 08, 2024, 09:37:58 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 07, 2024, 07:45:19 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 07, 2024, 07:23:00 PMWell dunno where that came from but up Cavan. Beggan mom, what are they smoking in BBC?
Ridiculous decision, they were dying to give it to Beggan simply due to the fact that he got an NFL trial.
Personally thought Beggan should have done better for that first goal in injury time.
Thought he was poor for all 3 goals. The 3rd one he was obviously up the field and was ambling back, but even the first 2 goals he was rooted to the spot and didn't make a move or dive or such. His kicking was decent as usual, but could see that time out of playing and moving did affect him
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2024, 10:21:38 AMBeggan was basically walking back when the break for the 3rd goal was on, looked very bad.
Was do or die at that stage. The player to blame was the one who lost possession. Beggan would have needed a motorbike to get back..
Beggan is the best kicking goalkeeper but at the fundamentals he is just average. Even with his forays up the pitch, while he has the ability to kick long range points with that right foot piston, he is quite slow and cumbersome in possession and got caught out yesterday not for the first time. You would have to question the judgement of a pundit who gave him MOTM yesterday after conceding 3 goals. That must be a first for a goalkeeper. I thought Paddy Lynch deserved it but Faulkner was very good too.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 08, 2024, 09:37:58 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 07, 2024, 07:45:19 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 07, 2024, 07:23:00 PMWell dunno where that came from but up Cavan. Beggan mom, what are they smoking in BBC?
Ridiculous decision, they were dying to give it to Beggan simply due to the fact that he got an NFL trial.
Personally thought Beggan should have done better for that first goal in injury time.
Thought he was poor for all 3 goals. The 3rd one he was obviously up the field and was ambling back, but even the first 2 goals he was rooted to the spot and didn't make a move or dive or such. His kicking was decent as usual, but could see that time out of playing and moving did affect him
I think that is harsh. Faulkner absolutely belted the ball, there was no stopping it and Gerry gave him no chance either. The last goal was due to a turnover and a quick 50 meter pass, if he had a jet suit on he wasn't getting back for that! Jesus very harsh to blame the keeper. He also made one outstanding save in the first half from Lynch.
Now the question around should he have started or not, well everyone in the crowd and in the chats before hand fully expected him to start so I think it was never in doubt.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2024, 11:07:40 AMBeggan is the best kicking goalkeeper but at the fundamentals he is just average. Even with his forays up the pitch, while he has the ability to kick long range points with that right foot piston, he is quite slow and cumbersome in possession and got caught out yesterday not for the first time. You would have to question the judgement of a pundit who gave him MOTM yesterday after conceding 3 goals. That must be a first for a goalkeeper. I thought Paddy Lynch deserved it but Faulkner was very good too.
It was Philly McMahon who gave it to him. I agree it was silly, but to give some context he gave it late into injury time and literally seconds before Lynch scored the 3rd one. He then even joked that he made the call too soon. Not sure why they need to make the call before the game is over though
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 11:36:10 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2024, 11:07:40 AMBeggan is the best kicking goalkeeper but at the fundamentals he is just average. Even with his forays up the pitch, while he has the ability to kick long range points with that right foot piston, he is quite slow and cumbersome in possession and got caught out yesterday not for the first time. You would have to question the judgement of a pundit who gave him MOTM yesterday after conceding 3 goals. That must be a first for a goalkeeper. I thought Paddy Lynch deserved it but Faulkner was very good too.
It was Philly McMahon who gave it to him. I agree it was silly, but to give some context he gave it late into injury time and literally seconds before Lynch scored the 3rd one. He then even joked that he made the call too soon. Not sure why they need to make the call before the game is over though
It was a nonsense call from McMahon whether it was made just before or just after the goal.
Lynch gathering a pass and kicking to an empty net shouldn't have made a difference to the decision.
He had kicked 8/8 frees, got a beauty from play and his contribution won Cavan the game. Beggan had failed to make a save for 2/3 shots he faced up to that point, had missed a free and a 45. Was one excellent save, a couple of frees and one shot from play in a game they were losing by 3 with time up really enough? I don't think so.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 11:36:10 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2024, 11:07:40 AMBeggan is the best kicking goalkeeper but at the fundamentals he is just average. Even with his forays up the pitch, while he has the ability to kick long range points with that right foot piston, he is quite slow and cumbersome in possession and got caught out yesterday not for the first time. You would have to question the judgement of a pundit who gave him MOTM yesterday after conceding 3 goals. That must be a first for a goalkeeper. I thought Paddy Lynch deserved it but Faulkner was very good too.
It was Philly McMahon who gave it to him. I agree it was silly, but to give some context he gave it late into injury time and literally seconds before Lynch scored the 3rd one. He then even joked that he made the call too soon. Not sure why they need to make the call before the game is over though
I think even before Lynch got the last goal it was a ridiculous call. Like based on what? At that point Lynch had 9 points. 8 dead balls from 8, every bit as difficult as Beggans. Beggan has conceded 2 goals, Looked set to be on the losing team and I think had missed 2 or 3 dead balls. Utterly bizarre call. I can imagine he would have been pretty embarrassed by it
Quote from: Westside on April 08, 2024, 01:19:39 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 11:36:10 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2024, 11:07:40 AMBeggan is the best kicking goalkeeper but at the fundamentals he is just average. Even with his forays up the pitch, while he has the ability to kick long range points with that right foot piston, he is quite slow and cumbersome in possession and got caught out yesterday not for the first time. You would have to question the judgement of a pundit who gave him MOTM yesterday after conceding 3 goals. That must be a first for a goalkeeper. I thought Paddy Lynch deserved it but Faulkner was very good too.
It was Philly McMahon who gave it to him. I agree it was silly, but to give some context he gave it late into injury time and literally seconds before Lynch scored the 3rd one. He then even joked that he made the call too soon. Not sure why they need to make the call before the game is over though
It was a nonsense call from McMahon whether it was made just before or just after the goal.
Lynch gathering a pass and kicking to an empty net shouldn't have made a difference to the decision.
He had kicked 8/8 frees, got a beauty from play and his contribution won Cavan the game. Beggan had failed to make a save for 2/3 shots he faced up to that point, had missed a free and a 45. Was one excellent save, a couple of frees and one shot from play in a game they were losing by 3 with time up really enough? I don't think so.
Oh yeah, completely agree. Even without the last goal Beggan mixed the good with the poor. Lynch or Faulkner were my shouts. This call seemed to be the pundit who doesn't know anything outside of the Division 1 teams, and got caught up in the Beggan returning stuff
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2024, 01:37:49 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 11:36:10 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2024, 11:07:40 AMBeggan is the best kicking goalkeeper but at the fundamentals he is just average. Even with his forays up the pitch, while he has the ability to kick long range points with that right foot piston, he is quite slow and cumbersome in possession and got caught out yesterday not for the first time. You would have to question the judgement of a pundit who gave him MOTM yesterday after conceding 3 goals. That must be a first for a goalkeeper. I thought Paddy Lynch deserved it but Faulkner was very good too.
It was Philly McMahon who gave it to him. I agree it was silly, but to give some context he gave it late into injury time and literally seconds before Lynch scored the 3rd one. He then even joked that he made the call too soon. Not sure why they need to make the call before the game is over though
I think even before Lynch got the last goal it was a ridiculous call. Like based on what? At that point Lynch had 9 points. 8 dead balls from 8, every bit as difficult as Beggans. Beggan has conceded 2 goals, Looked set to be on the losing team and I think had missed 2 or 3 dead balls. Utterly bizarre call. I can imagine he would have been pretty embarrassed by it
Oh yeah absolutely, was just adding the context as to what happened. It was silly to even consider him and he got caught up in the NFL and returning hype
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2024, 09:27:05 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 08, 2024, 09:11:42 AMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 08, 2024, 08:47:59 AMI would love to see teams launching kickouts out on top of the opposition goalkeeper when he comes out to stand on one side of the pitch during kickouts it's a great platform to attack and go for goal if they opposition don't win it as there is 65m of open field to drive into.
Agree. Not sure why this isnt done. There is no risk to the team with the kickout but there is a potential for a huge reward
Probably because you will be outnumbered under the ball if you do that?
Yeah there obviously is a risk. We literally seen it yesterday in the first half when Cavan keeper kicked it out and all the Monaghan player had to do was tap it back to Beggan and Monaghan had possession again
I see Clones finally got some catch nets behind the goals
Or were they there last year? I don't recall seeing them before
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 08, 2024, 06:25:25 PMI see Clones finally got some catch nets behind the goals
Or were they there last year? I don't recall seeing them before
They need to sort out those crossbars next. Mad they've got square ones sitting in front of the posts
The only thing from a Monaghan point of view about yesterday's result is the added inconvenience for Tyrone.
I'm going to call it now, Cavan and Monaghan to be drawn in same group in the All Ireland Round Robin.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 06:35:34 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 08, 2024, 06:25:25 PMI see Clones finally got some catch nets behind the goals
Or were they there last year? I don't recall seeing them before
They need to sort out those crossbars next. Mad they've got square ones sitting in front of the posts
Please elaborate.
Quote from: Orior on April 08, 2024, 09:18:44 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 06:35:34 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 08, 2024, 06:25:25 PMI see Clones finally got some catch nets behind the goals
Or were they there last year? I don't recall seeing them before
They need to sort out those crossbars next. Mad they've got square ones sitting in front of the posts
Please elaborate.
Just exactly that. They've a wooden square crossbar which sits in front of the posts (https://www.sportsfile.com/id/1108538/) instead of a round one between the posts. Means a ball could come off it weirdly instead of naturally on a round one between the posts.
(https://focus.independent.ie/thumbor/QSR3bK-rTkGvVn1BGLbBgI6d4MY=/5x0:3137x2084/960x640/prod-mh-ireland/a46d592b-fe0b-4bf8-a218-f239f86b4b24/bff59929-1f3d-4789-88cf-72bf1a90831e/Sports2781709.jpg)
Owenbeg is the same.. I'd say there's quite a few about, no?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 08, 2024, 09:31:29 PMOwenbeg is the same.. I'd say there's quite a few about, no?
They look to be square alright, but at least are between the posts, not in front of them. Jeez thought most decent country grounds have round ones, no?
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 11:12:40 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 08, 2024, 09:31:29 PMOwenbeg is the same.. I'd say there's quite a few about, no?
They look to be square alright, but at least are between the posts, not in front of them. Jeez thought most decent country grounds have round ones, no?
I know, you hit a shot, round posts you've a fair chance of the ball either going over or under, not straight back out at ye, zero to show for it
Quote from: JoG2 on April 08, 2024, 11:15:47 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2024, 11:12:40 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 08, 2024, 09:31:29 PMOwenbeg is the same.. I'd say there's quite a few about, no?
They look to be square alright, but at least are between the posts, not in front of them. Jeez thought most decent country grounds have round ones, no?
I know, you hit a shot, round posts you've a fair chance of the ball either going over or under, not straight back out at ye, zero to show for it
That's exactly it. I noted this Cavan v Donegal 2022. James Smith thundered a shot against the bar, and it rebounded straight out, instead of maybe the underside of the bar and a goal. Big difference in how a ball acts and they should be got rid fur round flush crossbars
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2024, 07:59:20 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 06, 2024, 11:02:28 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on April 06, 2024, 09:30:42 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2024, 06:51:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2024, 02:40:10 PMHandy win for Monaghan tomorrow?
If Cavan are as poor as they finished the league it will be handy win for Monaghan. However this is championship playing the neighbours and live on BBC and RTE if no kick and competitive showing from Cavan it will speak volumes about them.
Cavan were pretty bad in the league but still were hard to beat. Meath for example should have had them beat out the gate by half time in Breffni but by the 60th minute Cavan were ahead.
Monaghan are brittle and low on confidence, plus they are missing their big attacking threats.
Best value bet is Monaghan ahead at HT but Cavan by a couple at the end.
I hope you go ahead and put a shít load of money on that one.
Anyway that's enough talk about other teams in Ulster, let's get back to chat about the AI Final Derry ('the second coming') V the Dubs
Hopefully he had the house on it! Some bet lol
Fair play! And stated before the game, not like some of the more prolific bet proclaimers on here
Monaghan need to sort their shit out and their crossbars too. Disgrace.
Not looking forward to another dog fight on Sunday, if Armagh get a good lead early Fermanagh will leave holes all over chasing, if it is tight like the league another borefest to sit through.
I suppose Armagh will be favourites for this game and rightly so but anything can happen in Ulster Championship, Fermanagh are tight and normally hard to beat in Eniskillen but i expect Armagh to win by 3-4pts. Probably only pulling away last 10 mins.
What is the crowd capacity at Brewster Pk?. Are they expecting a full crowd?. I'll probably miss the 1st 10-15mins as I can only leave home at 1 for a 2:00pm throw in so will be tight for me too. Hopefully by the time I arrive 1:50 ish the crowd will be in and I can get up close to the ground.
I think Armagh will win it out, particularly with the draw. They also have more on the line here. I would be questioning if Derry go full tilt at this, meanwhile the Dubs and Kerry stroll to the All Ireland semi finals.
Quote from: Tones on April 09, 2024, 11:17:26 AMNot looking forward to another dog fight on Sunday, if Armagh get a good lead early Fermanagh will leave holes all over chasing, if it is tight like the league another borefest to sit through.
unless we get an early lead like the league game a few years ago itll be tight, and as you say, boring
Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2024, 03:39:13 PMI think Armagh will win it out, particularly with the draw. They also have more on the line here. I would be questioning if Derry go full tilt at this, meanwhile the Dubs and Kerry stroll to the All Ireland semi finals.
It will be Ulster final at best again For Armagh I feel. Well capable of reaching the last eight of the championship via the group stage again and might get the rub of the green in Croke Park this summer compared to the last two years.
Derry football between club and county have serious momentum and they'll know especially Harte that their best chance of winning All Ireland Quarter is first retaining the Ulster championship. Yes Kerry,Dublin will have the advantage come the All Ireland semi finals so probably best to avoid one of them until the All Ireland final.
Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2024, 03:39:13 PMI think Armagh will win it out, particularly with the draw. They also have more on the line here. I would be questioning if Derry go full tilt at this, meanwhile the Dubs and Kerry stroll to the All Ireland semi finals.
Ah Jesus don't start the Derry ones off again
imagine derry v donegal was knockout in terms of all ireland it be a massive match.
It's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 10, 2024, 03:16:49 AMimagine derry v donegal was knockout in terms of all ireland it be a massive match.
Lets go all in, imagine it was the All Ireland Final.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
You get a new fishing rod for Christmas?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 08:30:55 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
what exactly have tyrone shown for you to day there will be a kick from them
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 08:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 08:30:55 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
what exactly have tyrone shown for you to day there will be a kick from them
Experience, Retained D1 status and players returning to fitness?
Bar Derry, I'd still fancy their chances against the rest of Ulster.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 10, 2024, 08:54:23 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 08:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 08:30:55 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
what exactly have tyrone shown for you to day there will be a kick from them
Experience, Retained D1 status and players returning to fitness?
Bar Derry, I'd still fancy their chances against the rest of Ulster.
Ulster isn't going to be as predictable results wise as people think. They'll be a couple of shocks, or more like half shocks along the way. Monaghan gone already
To me Tyrone look like a team with no thought out plans/structure, talent alone gets them through some games, that's why they blow so hot & cold imo. Could take Derry on a hot day and get embarrassed on a bad day whereas Donegal & Armagh will keep it tight v Derry through defensive structures. I'm fed up with Armagh's style of play tho, so I'm not advocating it.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 10, 2024, 09:03:21 AMTo me Tyrone look like a team with no thought out plans/structure, talent alone gets them through some games, that's why they blow so hot & cold imo. Could take Derry on a hot day and get embarrassed on a bad day whereas Donegal & Armagh will keep it tight v Derry through defensive structures. I'm fed up with Armagh's style of play tho, so I'm not advocating it.
Very true. Having Canavan in the form he's been gives them an edge. If he can maintain that and Donnelly, McCurry, Canavan Jr, Meyler can come back to some sort of form then they've got a chance against most.
I agree my own personal opinion is that they are being hamstrung by the management with a lack of system/ plan.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 08:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 08:30:55 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
what exactly have tyrone shown for you to day there will be a kick from them
Gaelic life give Morgan Keeper of the league - all those clean sheets.
Quote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 09:42:14 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 08:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 08:30:55 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
what exactly have tyrone shown for you to day there will be a kick from them
Gaelic life give Morgan Keeper of the league - all those clean sheets.
Who was better?
Blaine let in two goals in a dead rubber game, until then 6 clean sheets including a penalty save, very savvy with his kickouts, done very well when he roamed out and about albeit he doesn't do a Lynch, Beggan, Morgan or Rafferty but maybe that's how pundits judge keepers now.
Quote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 10:06:12 AMBlaine let in two goals in a dead rubber game, until then 6 clean sheets including a penalty save, very savvy with his kickouts, done very well when he roamed out and about albeit he doesn't do a Lynch, Beggan, Morgan or Rafferty but maybe that's how pundits judge keepers now.
The term "let in" is not appropriate, he had little chance to stop those, the first one in particular as the back passed the ball to a Cork forward.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 10, 2024, 09:14:04 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 10, 2024, 09:03:21 AMTo me Tyrone look like a team with no thought out plans/structure, talent alone gets them through some games, that's why they blow so hot & cold imo. Could take Derry on a hot day and get embarrassed on a bad day whereas Donegal & Armagh will keep it tight v Derry through defensive structures. I'm fed up with Armagh's style of play tho, so I'm not advocating it.
Very true. Having Canavan in the form he's been gives them an edge. If he can maintain that and Donnelly, McCurry, Canavan Jr, Meyler can come back to some sort of form then they've got a chance against most.
I agree my own personal opinion is that they are being hamstrung by the management with a lack of system/ plan.
Tyrone have been inconsistent for a while in my opinion (always refer to them as a jekyll and hyde team) and Canavan has been dragging them over the line in some games. If they can get a few players into form to take the burden from him, then of course they could be a danger, but I honestly cannot see that happening this year for them.
Armagh/Fermagh will lack any entertainment in my eyes, for the most part anyway. As mentioned before, if Armagh manage to get a few points lead, Fermanagh will have to chase them and open themselves up, which might lead to a game of football. I would expect Armagh to win of course, but not a great one for the neutral.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 10, 2024, 10:14:31 AMQuote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 10:06:12 AMBlaine let in two goals in a dead rubber game, until then 6 clean sheets including a penalty save, very savvy with his kickouts, done very well when he roamed out and about albeit he doesn't do a Lynch, Beggan, Morgan or Rafferty but maybe that's how pundits judge keepers now.
The term "let in" is not appropriate, he had little chance to stop those, the first one in particular as the back passed the ball to a Cork forward.
Apologies bad terminology on my behalf.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 10, 2024, 10:14:31 AMQuote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 10:06:12 AMBlaine let in two goals in a dead rubber game, until then 6 clean sheets including a penalty save, very savvy with his kickouts, done very well when he roamed out and about albeit he doesn't do a Lynch, Beggan, Morgan or Rafferty but maybe that's how pundits judge keepers now.
The term "let in" is not appropriate, he had little chance to stop those, the first one in particular as the back passed the ball to a Cork forward.
its a term that is generally used. Nobody actually thinks he just let them in ffs
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 11:25:16 AMQuote from: armaghniac on April 10, 2024, 10:14:31 AMQuote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 10:06:12 AMBlaine let in two goals in a dead rubber game, until then 6 clean sheets including a penalty save, very savvy with his kickouts, done very well when he roamed out and about albeit he doesn't do a Lynch, Beggan, Morgan or Rafferty but maybe that's how pundits judge keepers now.
The term "let in" is not appropriate, he had little chance to stop those, the first one in particular as the back passed the ball to a Cork forward.
its a term that is generally used. Nobody actually thinks he just let them in ffs
You can't measure a goalkeeper entirely by the goals scored, the Kildare goalie denied Armagh several chances although we also scored a couple he wasn't the reason.
Stopping goals is a fundamental aspect to goal keeping, you not agree?
Quote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 12:12:09 PMStopping goals is a fundamental aspect to goal keeping, you not agree?
It's a part yes, but, with the speed of players bursting through on goal, kicking a heavier ball from the hands, off the ground, drop kick, able to fist the ball in from a few yards out, keepers saving is almost a bonus. Angles can be covered etc a la soccer, but it's, literally a different ball game. Add in being a link player and the kick outs, it's much more than the ability to stop a ball going into the net
Quote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 12:12:09 PMStopping goals is a fundamental aspect to goal keeping, you not agree?
Yes, of course. However, a goalie that is subjected to 10 shots and saves 8 is not necessarily a worse goalkeeper than one that has 3 shots and saves all three.
It'll soon be the keepers will be picking up the keepers to nullify their input
Quote from: JoG2 on April 10, 2024, 12:27:39 PMQuote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 12:12:09 PMStopping goals is a fundamental aspect to goal keeping, you not agree?
It's a part yes, but, with the speed of players bursting through on goal, kicking a heavier ball from the hands, off the ground, drop kick, able to fist the ball in from a few yards out, keepers saving is almost a bonus. Angles can be covered etc a la soccer, but it's, literally a different ball game. Add in being a link player and the kick outs, it's much more than the ability to stop a ball going into the net
But the ability to stop the ball going into the net is a huge factor in someone being put in that position, anyways this is diverging from the thread topic and probably a bore to those coming in for championship chat, my remark about Morgan was a flippant remark as to what Tyrone have to offer, albeit I do think he was not the keeper of the league, but suppose for another thread.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 10, 2024, 12:40:08 PMIt'll soon be the keepers will be picking up the keepers to nullify their input
Stop giving junior team managers tips.
Quote from: Orior on April 10, 2024, 02:00:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 10, 2024, 12:40:08 PMIt'll soon be the keepers will be picking up the keepers to nullify their input
Stop giving junior team managers tips.
Some junior keepers won't be able to run the length of the pitch to pick their opposite number up anyway
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 08:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 08:30:55 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
what exactly have tyrone shown for you to day there will be a kick from them
Canavan and McCurry are top top forwards. Plus the fact the huers beat us twice last year.
I'd seen nothing to suggest Cavan would beat Monaghan based on the league.
Quote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 12:53:56 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 10, 2024, 12:27:39 PMQuote from: Tones on April 10, 2024, 12:12:09 PMStopping goals is a fundamental aspect to goal keeping, you not agree?
It's a part yes, but, with the speed of players bursting through on goal, kicking a heavier ball from the hands, off the ground, drop kick, able to fist the ball in from a few yards out, keepers saving is almost a bonus. Angles can be covered etc a la soccer, but it's, literally a different ball game. Add in being a link player and the kick outs, it's much more than the ability to stop a ball going into the net
But the ability to stop the ball going into the net is a huge factor in someone being put in that position, anyways this is diverging from the thread topic and probably a bore to those coming in for championship chat, my remark about Morgan was a flippant remark as to what Tyrone have to offer, albeit I do think he was not the keeper of the league, but suppose for another thread.
The advantage Morgan and Cluxton have over the other names mentioned is when there's a save to be made they'll make it. As good a footballer as Morgan is, he's also a great keeper, gaa and soccer. Too many times there's soft goals conceded with the man in the nr 1 jersey turning his arse to a shot instead of standing up to make the save. Lynch has improved the goalkeeping part of his game a lot over the last 3 seasons.
Helps to have good defenders in front of you!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 02:14:43 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 08:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 08:30:55 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
what exactly have tyrone shown for you to day there will be a kick from them
Canavan and McCurry are top top forwards. Plus the fact the huers beat us twice last year.
I'd seen nothing to suggest Cavan would beat Monaghan based on the league.
Nothing? Know we were poor vs yourselves, but we did well in away games, ran Donegal to a point, and finished 3rd while Monaghan were brutal in last 6 League games. Not saying we were favourites, but never nothing to see in this
Rian named in midfield rest really as you were.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 10, 2024, 03:51:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 02:14:43 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 08:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 10, 2024, 08:30:55 AMQuote from: Aaron Boone on April 10, 2024, 06:54:16 AMIt's a tight Championship and always is.
Only 2 of the big 3 of Derry, Donegal and Armagh are going to make the Ulster final.
Not even a good wind up that.
There'll be a kick in Tyrone yet and Cavan will fear no one with the way they played at the weekend.
what exactly have tyrone shown for you to day there will be a kick from them
Canavan and McCurry are top top forwards. Plus the fact the huers beat us twice last year.
I'd seen nothing to suggest Cavan would beat Monaghan based on the league.
Nothing? Know we were poor vs yourselves, but we did well in away games, ran Donegal to a point, and finished 3rd while Monaghan were brutal in last 6 League games. Not saying we were favourites, but never nothing to see in this
Well based off what I seen yous looked a division 3 team that day, didn't see any more of yous to be honest and yous obviously had a strong start to the league and ran Donegal close.
Either way league form goes out the window come championship especially in a game with your neighbours and Cavan always strike me as a team that lifts things for championship in fairness and had a super win the other day.
Strong Armagh team named, glad to see Rian back starting where he belongs.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 11, 2024, 10:20:40 PMStrong Armagh team named, glad to see Rian back starting where he belongs.
Geezer changing all the numbers around does my head in as if Fermanagh will think jarly og burns is going play corner forward and turbitt is going play wing forward.I would like see Rian get a run at midfield as think this a weak area for us, but burns, crealey or mackin could all play middle of the field.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 11, 2024, 10:20:40 PMStrong Armagh team named, glad to see Rian back starting where he belongs.
McCabe injured?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 12, 2024, 08:13:47 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 11, 2024, 10:20:40 PMStrong Armagh team named, glad to see Rian back starting where he belongs.
McCabe injured?
He must be. Conor O'Neill the same. No way those 2 aren't at least on the bench, McCabe had a great league and O'Neill was very good when he played.
Quote from: statto on April 12, 2024, 06:43:09 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 11, 2024, 10:20:40 PMStrong Armagh team named, glad to see Rian back starting where he belongs.
Geezer changing all the numbers around does my head in as if Fermanagh will think jarly og burns is going play corner forward and turbitt is going play wing forward.I would like see Rian get a run at midfield as think this a weak area for us, but burns, crealey or mackin could all play middle of the field.
Numbers mean nothing. Basically we will play with one or two men up the pitch (probably Murnin and Turbitt/Conaty), one or two men as designated markers at the back (Burns and McKay) with everybody else moving up and down the pitch. Same as nearly every team nowadays so this thing of lining out teams in 1-6-2-6 simply pre-dates the Jimmy McGuinness tactical revolution. It still bemuses me to see a half back get extra credit for picking off scores when they are often the best placed players on the team to kick points.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 12, 2024, 12:39:33 PMQuote from: statto on April 12, 2024, 06:43:09 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 11, 2024, 10:20:40 PMStrong Armagh team named, glad to see Rian back starting where he belongs.
Geezer changing all the numbers around does my head in as if Fermanagh will think jarly og burns is going play corner forward and turbitt is going play wing forward.I would like see Rian get a run at midfield as think this a weak area for us, but burns, crealey or mackin could all play middle of the field.
Numbers mean nothing. Basically we will play with one or two men up the pitch (probably Murnin and Turbitt/Conaty), one or two men as designated markers at the back (Burns and McKay) with everybody else moving up and down the pitch. Same as nearly every team nowadays so this thing of lining out teams in 1-6-2-6 simply pre-dates the Jimmy McGuinness tactical revolution. It still bemuses me to see a half back get extra credit for picking off scores when they are often the best placed players on the team to kick points.
Yeah absolutely, we'll see 1 or 2 of the 3 you mentioned or Rian inside, the 2 sitting back and the rest will be up and down the field all day.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 12, 2024, 12:39:33 PMQuote from: statto on April 12, 2024, 06:43:09 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 11, 2024, 10:20:40 PMStrong Armagh team named, glad to see Rian back starting where he belongs.
Geezer changing all the numbers around does my head in as if Fermanagh will think jarly og burns is going play corner forward and turbitt is going play wing forward.I would like see Rian get a run at midfield as think this a weak area for us, but burns, crealey or mackin could all play middle of the field.
Numbers mean nothing. Basically we will play with one or two men up the pitch (probably Murnin and Turbitt/Conaty), one or two men as designated markers at the back (Burns and McKay) with everybody else moving up and down the pitch. Same as nearly every team nowadays so this thing of lining out teams in 1-6-2-6 simply pre-dates the Jimmy McGuinness tactical revolution. It still bemuses me to see a half back get extra credit for picking off scores when they are often the best placed players on the team to kick points.
Where will your goalie play?
Will someone pulleeassse think of the the children............., and discuss the Down v Antrim game.
Cassidy loves his cards.
Quote from: Orior on April 12, 2024, 09:03:03 PMWill someone pulleeassse think of the the children............., and discuss the Down v Antrim game.
Children shouldn't be allowed to watch that, with its pre throw in aggro.
What Improvement has Laverty done for Down?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2024, 06:27:39 PMWhat Improvement has Laverty done for Down?
Playing div2 next year?
Zero pace or intensity in this game
That lad trying to claim a mark from a kick inside the 45 sums up this game!
Brutal!
Very poor
Have you ever seen worse? Down poor, Antrim terrible.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2024, 06:29:47 PMZero pace or intensity in this game
Antrim playing with the breeze and flooding the defence.
I'm not actually surprised the intensity is poor from Down.
Down will pick off scores from distance in second half
This is some pile of shite of a game
Low key stuff. Half time Down 0-6 Antrim 0-3. Down have the wind advantage for 2nd half.
A Tall antrim staff member or sub openly punching a Down sub or staff member clear as day on front of the lineman there.
Time to switch over, ya couldn't watch any more of this.
Philly McMahon said out loud that Down need to get their shit together.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2024, 06:42:32 PMA Tall antrim staff member or sub openly punching a Down sub or staff member clear as day on front of the lineman there.
The only match up Antrim look like winning
Shite
Quote from: Pub Bore on April 13, 2024, 06:44:31 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2024, 06:42:32 PMA Tall antrim staff member or sub openly punching a Down sub or staff member clear as day on front of the lineman there.
The only match up Antrim look like winning
Extended panel member ?
Wrong man send off there, I think the boy in question didn't come out of the changing room.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2024, 06:59:17 PMWrong man send off there, I think the boy in question didn't come out of the changing room.
I'm sure the real culprit will be dealt with retrospectivelty
Quote from: Nanderson on April 13, 2024, 07:00:54 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2024, 06:59:17 PMWrong man send off there, I think the boy in question didn't come out of the changing room.
I'm sure the real culprit will be dealt with retrospectivelty
Yeah, there's no way you'd 'take' the blame for that
Down 0-10 Antrim 0-6 with 15 minutes and whatever injury time to play. A bit of drama late on might make up for this poor match.
Barry Cassidy not helping this game much either!
I presume Armagh will win tomorrow, be hopefully a better game than this. If so, they beat Down by 10 points.
Reliably told a fortune has been poured into Antrim GAA in recent years... hasn't improved the county team.
This ref is atrocious
Given how bad Down were in the league final you'd think they'd have tightened up their decision making and shot selection.
What are they at?
A match that won't live long in the memory. FT Down 0-13 Antrim 0-9
Philly McMahon picking the wrong MOTM again as well!
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2024, 07:40:59 PMReliably told a fortune has been poured into Antrim GAA in recent years... hasn't improved the county team.
Was the money poured into the senior team?
Antrim had ample opportunities to win that.
Down totally flat. Hard to see how they could trouble Armagh.
Quote from: screenexile on April 13, 2024, 07:25:27 PMBarry Cassidy not helping this game much either!
Best refs are those you don't noticed that much, that can be rarely said about any match with Barry Cassidy in charge.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2024, 07:47:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2024, 07:40:59 PMReliably told a fortune has been poured into Antrim GAA in recent years... hasn't improved the county team.
Was the money poured into the senior team?
Doesn't look like it!
That game was hard to watch. You would expect the mighty Armagh to win tomorrow and trot through to the final
But but. They gearing up for the championship.
What are the dates for Ulster semi finals?poor show from down against a antrim team with serious injury list.
Quote from: statto on April 13, 2024, 08:12:53 PMWhat are the dates for Ulster semi finals?poor show from down against a antrim team with serious injury list.
27th / 28th
Quote from: JoG2 on April 13, 2024, 08:27:39 PMQuote from: statto on April 13, 2024, 08:12:53 PMWhat are the dates for Ulster semi finals?poor show from down against a antrim team with serious injury list.
27th / 28th
Which side of the draw is on 27th and 28th do you know?
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 13, 2024, 08:32:10 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 13, 2024, 08:27:39 PMQuote from: statto on April 13, 2024, 08:12:53 PMWhat are the dates for Ulster semi finals?poor show from down against a antrim team with serious injury list.
27th / 28th
Which side of the draw is on 27th and 28th do you know?
Down v Armagh (or Fermanagh) on 27th
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2024, 07:50:25 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2024, 07:47:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2024, 07:40:59 PMReliably told a fortune has been poured into Antrim GAA in recent years... hasn't improved the county team.
Was the money poured into the senior team?
Doesn't look like it!
But your reliable source said....
Am I the only one who thinks Laverty, Donnelly and Meenagh can't possibly work? Surely 3 high profile names can't all be singing of the same hymn sheet in terms of football philosophy??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 13, 2024, 08:59:00 PMAm I the only one who thinks Laverty, Donnelly and Meenagh can't possibly work? Surely 3 high profile names can't all be singing of the same hymn sheet in terms of football philosophy??
There's life beyond the Irish News.
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 13, 2024, 08:45:43 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on April 13, 2024, 08:32:10 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 13, 2024, 08:27:39 PMQuote from: statto on April 13, 2024, 08:12:53 PMWhat are the dates for Ulster semi finals?poor show from down against a antrim team with serious injury list.
27th / 28th
Which side of the draw is on 27th and 28th do you know?
Down v Armagh (or Fermanagh) on 27th
lol
Shocker in store tomorrow BBC pundits building up the game, undoubtedly this has the worse championship game of the year written all over it.
What was the Down Antrim attendance?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 13, 2024, 10:55:22 PMWhat was the Down Antrim attendance?
5.4k goin by Cahair metinks
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 13, 2024, 07:43:12 PMThis ref is atrocious
Awful and 2 awful teams.
Was Havern injured?
Yes, it's the ref's fault....... zzzzzz
Another poor crowd.
100% Armagh were f**king about in the league final!!
Mc Mahon hard to listen to on co-commentary.
That was an inexcusable miss by fermanagh for a goal.
Quote from: marty34 on April 14, 2024, 02:13:56 PMMc Mahon hard to listen to on co-commentary.
Agree but not as hard as listening to the armagh fans mouthing at every kick out
Game over
Good team goal for Armagh. 1-2 to no score after 17 minutes.
Game over
Blow it up.
Armagh for Sam. Must be favourites now 😛
2nd goal for Armagh, looking like a long afternoon for Fermanagh.
Is that a temporary sub for a head injury??
How is that a yellow. Straight red
That's a red!!
Not a wonder Louth put 7/8 by them, shocking defending
A 3rd goal for Armagh, Fermanagh all at sea once they lose the ball.
We always expect Fermanagh to make it tough for their opponents but they are playing like a junior B team here. It's sad to see.
Some fundamental handling errors from Fermanagh. Gifted those goals.
Jarly Og probably a bit lucky there
Jarly was a red all day. In Kildare game lad just got red for exact same thing.
I'd say jarly was saved by his daddy bring in the crowd and by McCusker getting up quick.
Ulster Championship nothing to write home about,in the early stages this year. Am away to watch a Derry club Game.
Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2024, 02:34:35 PMJarly was a red all day. In Kildare game lad just got red for exact same thing
I don't disagree with you but I don't think he connected with his head which probably saved him. And to be fair to the Fermanagh lad he didn't make a meal of it
I've never seen worse. I mean the mullets on show are ridiculous. What is with the mullets!?
what a joke provincials my arse
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 14, 2024, 02:36:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 14, 2024, 02:34:35 PMJarly was a red all day. In Kildare game lad just got red for exact same thing
I don't disagree with you but I don't think he connected with his head which probably saved him. And to be fair to the Fermanagh lad he didn't make a meal of it
Doesn't matter anyway, Armagh would win this with 13 players.
Half time Fermanagh 0-2 Armagh 3-4
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 14, 2024, 02:38:30 PMI've never seen worse. I mean the mullets on show are ridiculous. What is with the mullets!?
Talking about them us the only entertainment today.
Armagh haven't actually been great with the ball. Only 4 points with that level of dominance isn't powerful.
Their press and quick break from turnovers have been the main reason for the goals but they're definitely struggling a bit with the packed defence!
Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2024, 02:34:35 PMJarly was a red all day. In Kildare game lad just got red for exact same thing.
I'd say jarly was saved by his daddy bring in the crowd and by McCusker getting up quick.
Didn't catch him fully I'd say if he did it might have been red or black.
Shooting hasnt been good at all
Very impressive half from Armagh, makes such a difference when we push up and put the opposition defence under pressure and the off the ball running has been excellent.
Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2024, 02:40:22 PMQuote from: Brick Tamlin on April 14, 2024, 02:38:30 PMI've never seen worse. I mean the mullets on show are ridiculous. What is with the mullets!?
Talking about them us the only entertainment today.
Oh no. The Ross county game was very entertaining haha
Quote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 02:41:57 PMArmagh haven't actually been great with the ball. Only 4 points with that level of dominance isn't powerful.
Their press and quick break from turnovers have been the main reason for the goals but they're definitely struggling a bit with the packed defence!
Murphy and Mugsy not agreeing with you.
All too easy for Armagh, Fermanagh so so poor and body language is that of team that doesn't want to be here today. On TV will Philly McMahon still find a way to give the MOTM to Fermanagh player?
Fermanagh look worse than Antrim. Armagh could be 20 ahead.
The head on that Armagh keeper :o . FFS are there no mirrors in his house?
When was the rule that the GAA President's son can't be sent off introduced? I must've missed that one.
Quote from: Pub Bore on April 14, 2024, 02:57:53 PMThe head on that Armagh keeper :o . FFS are there no mirrors in his house?
Rian not much better lol
2 points in 15 mins for Armagh this 2nd half!
Armagh totally on top all game, but only scored 8pts in 54mins.
55 minutes played only 6 scores in this 2nd half. 3-8 to 0-4 Armagh's lead.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2024, 03:15:33 PMArmagh totally on top all game, but only scored 8pts in 54mins.
Scored 3 goals also
Havent left first gear
Wicklow Kildare drama lads switch over!!
I'm gonna say it. Armagh haven't been that good. (Runs for cover)....
Quote from: Pub Bore on April 14, 2024, 03:23:22 PMI'm gonna say it. Armagh haven't been that good. (Runs for cover)....
Definitely second half.
Keep the goals out, they be hope for Down yet, that's saying sthing, saying they were terrible yesterday.
Quote from: Pub Bore on April 14, 2024, 03:23:22 PMI'm gonna say it. Armagh haven't been that good. (Runs for cover)....
We haven't. Started well enough but haven't been great overall
Armagh been poor this half,
OK lads I've whittled it down. Choose the worst from the weekend.
1) Blaine Hughes'(Armagh) woeful hick mullet
2) Barry McCambridge's (Armagh) wonderfully wispy comb over
3) Danny Magill's (Down) Fanta pube candyfloss barnet
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 14, 2024, 03:30:23 PMOK lads I've whittled it down. Choose the worst from the weekend.
1) Blaine Hughes'(Armagh) woeful hick mullet
2) Barry McCambridge's (Armagh) wonderfully wispy comb over
3) Danny Magill's (Down) Fanta pube candyfloss barnet
1
Armagh keeper hair awful
Full time Fermanagh 0-9 Armagh 3-11
Quote from: Pub Bore on April 14, 2024, 03:23:22 PMI'm gonna say it. Armagh haven't been that good. (Runs for cover)....
Haven't needed to be, Fermanagh are awful
Quote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 03:31:17 PMQuote from: Brick Tamlin on April 14, 2024, 03:30:23 PMOK lads I've whittled it down. Choose the worst from the weekend.
1) Blaine Hughes'(Armagh) woeful hick mullet
2) Barry McCambridge's (Armagh) wonderfully wispy comb over
3) Danny Magill's (Down) Fanta pube candyfloss barnet
1
3
11 point winners pulling up. Down should give Armagh a better game.
Quote from: Pub Bore on April 14, 2024, 03:37:05 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 03:31:17 PMQuote from: Brick Tamlin on April 14, 2024, 03:30:23 PMOK lads I've whittled it down. Choose the worst from the weekend.
1) Blaine Hughes'(Armagh) woeful hick mullet
2) Barry McCambridge's (Armagh) wonderfully wispy comb over
3) Danny Magill's (Down) Fanta pube candyfloss barnet
1
3
None of them beat Michael Murphys weird semi combover.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 14, 2024, 03:30:23 PMOK lads I've whittled it down. Choose the worst from the weekend.
1) Blaine Hughes'(Armagh) woeful hick mullet
2) Barry McCambridge's (Armagh) wonderfully wispy comb over
3) Danny Magill's (Down) Fanta pube candyfloss barnet
Close call but 3 takes it by a pube.
A fairly underwhelming performance from Armagh. Good for some players to get a bit of match fitness under the belts but for others you really have to wonder what it is they have on McGeeney. Fermanagh threw the towel in fairly early on and with no plan B were bullied into half time at which stage Armagh could see the game out without breaking a sweat. Down will be a much sterner test you'd imagine irrespective of their showing yesterday evening. A similar performance from Armagh won't do.
Says a lot about this game when a bit of the discussion is about who has the worst hair do
Cant see the 4 teams in the other half losing much sleep after those 2 games
If they are struggling for sleep, let them watch them again.
Expected that game to be boring, but not because it was over as a contest after 20mins.
Armagh were impressive tbf, planned on pressing their kickouts and forcing their kickouts long, and worked a treat both ways.
I thought we would get more from fermanagh but the rolled over fairly handy, fairly fast.
Roll on the Donegal/Derry game, should ignite some excitement into the championship
Hard to take much out of that. Armagh did what they had to and then looked like they wanted to work on a different style for future opposition.
Marginally better than the league final but not by much. I thought Paddy Burns and Rory Grugan had very good games though.
Didn't have a good view of the Jarly Og incident.
Awful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Quote from: general_lee on April 14, 2024, 05:03:12 PMA fairly underwhelming performance from Armagh. Good for some players to get a bit of match fitness under the belts but for others you really have to wonder what it is they have on McGeeney. Fermanagh threw the towel in fairly early on and with no plan B were bullied into half time at which stage Armagh could see the game out without breaking a sweat. Down will be a much sterner test you'd imagine irrespective of their showing yesterday evening. A similar performance from Armagh won't do.
Armagh done what they needed to, were very clinical before putting the game to bed early once the second goal went in. We got good success early out of pressurising the Fermanagh defence high up the pitch and breaking at speed. After that it was a bit more subdued as we basically just seen the game out since the second half was a non event.
I don't get all of this bigging up of Down, they are about the same level as Fermanagh so that performance today absolutely would be enough. Derry on the other hand would be a different matter.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2024, 07:06:17 PMAwful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Jarly Og is one of the least aggressive players on the Armagh squad so I'd be very surprised if there was any intent there. A yellow card was fair in that instance.
Who, where and when has anyone "bigged up" Down?
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2024, 07:06:17 PMAwful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Goals aside...not impressive (they won by over 10 points)
If you were from Armagh what would you be worried about? Down...seriously? Do you think their "supporters " will stay on beyond half time.. unlike last year.
Derry...of course we'd be worried..they're a top 3 team standing between us and a first Ulster title in nearly 20 years...and they've improved since last year.
Was Jarly's the only bad tackle in the game?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 14, 2024, 07:15:33 PMWho, where and when has anyone "bigged up" Down?
I've seen plenty of comments on these threads and in the media. They were shoe ins for last years Tailteann Cup and the division 3 title and tipped by lots of pundits to win both of those finals.
They've definitely improved alright under Laverty but from what I've seen of them they lack players who can kick the ball, it's basically the Kilcoo blueprint being employed at county level.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 14, 2024, 07:24:40 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 14, 2024, 07:15:33 PMWho, where and when has anyone "bigged up" Down?
I've seen plenty of comments on these threads and in the media. They were shoe ins for last years Tailteann Cup and the division 3 title and tipped by lots of pundits to win both of those finals.
They've definitely improved alright under Laverty but from what I've seen of them they lack players who can kick the ball, it's basically the Kilcoo blueprint being employed at county level.
Being tipped to win D3 titles is not bigging anyone up. Not even remotely close.
Even the most diehard blinkered and biased Down followers knows exactly where we are at.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 14, 2024, 07:15:17 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2024, 07:06:17 PMAwful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Jarly Og is one of the least aggressive players on the Armagh squad so I'd be very surprised if there was any intent there. A yellow card was fair in that instance.
Sorry but I hate that "he's not that type of player"
It was high and dangerous what's his personality got to do with it? It was a red all day!
I didn't think it was a red but it was very close to being one. He can count himself lucky
In a full stadium, in a competitive game, with the crowd's dander up he gets a red.
Quote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 08:26:25 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 14, 2024, 07:15:17 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2024, 07:06:17 PMAwful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Jarly Og is one of the least aggressive players on the Armagh squad so I'd be very surprised if there was any intent there. A yellow card was fair in that instance.
Sorry but I hate that "he's not that type of player"
It was high and dangerous what's his personality got to do with it? It was a red all day!
It's only relevant in so far as being useful when trying to gauge whether there was intent to hurt the opponent. I would doubt if there was. In real time it didn't look like a red card to me but I'd have to see it again.
In the bigger scheme it was irrelevant though as Fermanagh were already a beaten docket at that point.
Ah come on. Anytime a player jumps off the ground and goes flying into a man its a red card, clear as day.dl doesnt matter if he was a saint before hand its a red card.
Any reason for Armagh playing in black jerseys?
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2024, 10:18:02 PMAny reason for Armagh playing in black jerseys?
Any excuse to show that masterpiece off.
Beautiful jersey.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 14, 2024, 08:42:50 PMI didn't think it was a red but it was very close to being one. He can count himself lucky
I agree. He didnt connect with the head and the lad didnt make a meal of it. Both went in his favour I think. That said, if he was shown a red card Id have had no complaints
Having seen the replay I think he was lucky to have escaped a red, that said the referee does seem to have been very close to it and with a good view and none of the other players seem to be demanding a red card like you would often see
Don't suppose anyone has two spare tickets for Derry v Donegal?
The missus from Lifford dying to go.
Will be in Cavan on Sunday.
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When you see how the Dubs use dominance as they did against Meath chipping over points, you'd be right to worry for Armagh. For all the good forward they possess they do not score enough even against light weights.
Watched it on the replay and it didn't even register on the Sunday Game highlights which tells you all you need to know. A yellow card was the correct decision, no force in the challenge.
Was a red for me on first and second viewing. At best reckless, as intent is unknown. But you'll see some given as red and some yellow depending on the ref.
Looking like Armagh v Down on Sat 27th April, 17:15, in Clones.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 15, 2024, 11:01:12 AMLooking like Armagh v Down on Sat 27th April, 17:15, in Clones.
Would be a good time to be a buckfast salesman ;)
Quote from: yellowcard on April 14, 2024, 07:15:17 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2024, 07:06:17 PMAwful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Jarly Og is one of the least aggressive players on the Armagh squad so I'd be very surprised if there was any intent there. A yellow card was fair in that instance.
I'd agree - not a dirty player. But so far as I know a dangerous tackle is a red card offence, accidental or otherwise. He looked to catch the man head height with no effort to get the ball and his elbow looked high. That was dangerous. For me it was a red all day.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on April 14, 2024, 07:19:27 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2024, 07:06:17 PMAwful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Goals aside...not impressive (they won by over 10 points)
If you were from Armagh what would you be worried about? Down...seriously? Do you think their "supporters " will stay on beyond half time.. unlike last year.
Derry...of course we'd be worried..they're a top 3 team standing between us and a first Ulster title in nearly 20 years...and they've improved since last year.
Was Jarly's the only bad tackle in the game?
The 2nd half was a draw. Yes the game was already won, but the better sides would just keep going and rack up a cricket score.
For what it's worth, Armagh should beat Down and I've no doubt they'll give who ever they play in Ulster Final a game of it. But for me, they're not yet playing at the level you'd expect of a team with ambitions to win Ulster. It still might come...but against a Fermanagh side that were beaten 20 mins in you'd have expected them to pull away in the 2nd half. That's the worrying bit for Armagh in my view.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2024, 11:28:29 AMThe 2nd half was a draw. Yes the game was already won, but the better sides would just keep going and rack up a cricket score.
For what it's worth, Armagh should beat Down and I've no doubt they'll give who ever they play in Ulster Final a game of it. But for me, they're not yet playing at the level you'd expect of a team with ambitions to win Ulster. It still might come...but against a Fermanagh side that were beaten 20 mins in you'd have expected them to pull away in the 2nd half. That's the worrying bit for Armagh in my view.
A bit worrying is not a bad place to be, more work is needed and complacency is entirely inappropriate.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2024, 11:28:29 AMQuote from: Armaghtothebone on April 14, 2024, 07:19:27 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2024, 07:06:17 PMAwful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Goals aside...not impressive (they won by over 10 points)
If you were from Armagh what would you be worried about? Down...seriously? Do you think their "supporters " will stay on beyond half time.. unlike last year.
Derry...of course we'd be worried..they're a top 3 team standing between us and a first Ulster title in nearly 20 years...and they've improved since last year.
Was Jarly's the only bad tackle in the game?
The 2nd half was a draw. Yes the game was already won, but the better sides would just keep going and rack up a cricket score.
For what it's worth, Armagh should beat Down and I've no doubt they'll give who ever they play in Ulster Final a game of it. But for me, they're not yet playing at the level you'd expect of a team with ambitions to win Ulster. It still might come...but against a Fermanagh side that were beaten 20 mins in you'd have expected them to pull away in the 2nd half. That's the worrying bit for Armagh in my view.
I agree with this. Armagh struggled to score points yesterday. It is often useful look at the number of scores for a slightly different analysis and a total of 14 scores isn't a great return against a very limited Fermanagh team. Armagh also got the bounce off the ball yesterday with both Jarly Og's goal and McKay's save. About time we got the rub of the green but no use in saying luck didn't play a part.
Down will be lying in the long grass waiting and ready to ambush Armagh. They are the complete underdog going into this game. They beat Antrim playing rubbish and I'd say they're nicely poised. Unlike Fermanagh, they are on the way up and need this win to get into Sam.
Armagh should win even with a middling performance, but Lavery will not let Down play with the same tactical naïveté as Fermanagh. Down will be stronger in the tackle and if they get the bounce of the ball they can spring a surprise.
I was surprised to hear Ryan McCloskey and others talking up the potential of a shock Fermanagh win this weekend. Thought that was highly unlikely. However, I can't understand why anyone is writing off Down!
The way Armagh finished off against Fermanagh is our standard response, try to win pulling up, keep our next opponents guessing. I've mentioned it a few times before but IMO Armagh always have to win not showing our full hand, we always like to think there's more in the tank for the next day, we always do it until we're found out and then there are no more next days. I, along the rest of the county, would like to see us play to the full of our potential at all times, no need for shadow boxing/ mind games bollox that nobody cares about outside of the Armagh backroom team. I think our approach is a major flaw in our mentality tbh, but it seems really ingrained at this stage and will only change with a new manager.
But it was only Fermanagh, so .....
Quote from: APM on April 15, 2024, 02:08:24 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2024, 11:28:29 AMQuote from: Armaghtothebone on April 14, 2024, 07:19:27 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2024, 07:06:17 PMAwful game.
Fermanagh had their chances of goals but either miskicked, took the wrong option or just messed it up.
Armagh deserved winners - but goals aside, they didn't look overly impressive.
Missed a lot of frees. Didnt look fluid, should have scored more points from play given the way Fermanagh just kind of stopped. If I was from Armagh I'd be worried enough.
Jarly Og lucky to stay on the pitch imo.
Goals aside...not impressive (they won by over 10 points)
If you were from Armagh what would you be worried about? Down...seriously? Do you think their "supporters " will stay on beyond half time.. unlike last year.
Derry...of course we'd be worried..they're a top 3 team standing between us and a first Ulster title in nearly 20 years...and they've improved since last year.
Was Jarly's the only bad tackle in the game?
The 2nd half was a draw. Yes the game was already won, but the better sides would just keep going and rack up a cricket score.
For what it's worth, Armagh should beat Down and I've no doubt they'll give who ever they play in Ulster Final a game of it. But for me, they're not yet playing at the level you'd expect of a team with ambitions to win Ulster. It still might come...but against a Fermanagh side that were beaten 20 mins in you'd have expected them to pull away in the 2nd half. That's the worrying bit for Armagh in my view.
I agree with this. Armagh struggled to score points yesterday. It is often useful look at the number of scores for a slightly different analysis and a total of 14 scores isn't a great return against a very limited Fermanagh team. Armagh also got the bounce off the ball yesterday with both Jarly Og's goal and McKay's save. About time we got the rub of the green but no use in saying luck didn't play a part.
Down will be lying in the long grass waiting and ready to ambush Armagh. They are the complete underdog going into this game. They beat Antrim playing rubbish and I'd say they're nicely poised. Unlike Fermanagh, they are on the way up and need this win to get into Sam.
Armagh should win even with a middling performance, but Lavery will not let Down play with the same tactical naïveté as Fermanagh. Down will be stronger in the tackle and if they get the bounce of the ball they can spring a surprise.
I was surprised to hear Ryan McCloskey and others talking up the potential of a shock Fermanagh win this weekend. Thought that was highly unlikely. However, I can't understand why anyone is writing off Down!
People are writing off Down because they were brutal in the league final and not much better v a very depleted Antrim. I can't see them getting within 5 points of Armagh.
Quote from: Mario on April 15, 2024, 04:22:42 PMPeople are writing off Down because they were brutal in the league final and not much better v a very depleted Antrim. I can't see them getting within 5 points of Armagh. Down are shite
Armagh looked a very strong and impressive team against Fermanagh. Down have looked the opposite recently. It's hard task ahead here for lavery and meenagh
Both sides struggled in Brewster Park with the severe cross wind, hence the low points total.
Armagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
I'd honestly think more of management if we went gung ho and ended up losing rather than going out and playing cowardly football like the Monaghan quarter final.
Hopefully we can strike a happy medium though!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 15, 2024, 10:06:32 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
I'd honestly think more of management if we went gung ho and ended up losing rather than going out and playing cowardly football like the Monaghan quarter final.
Hopefully we can strike a happy medium though!
Yes, I'd ageee with that. I've no problem losing providing we do so by trying to win the match rather than playing not to lose and engaging in another arm wrestle. As well as being pain staking to watch it doesn't actually suit the type of player we have.
The Galway defeat in 2022 was one I could live with as it was enjoyable football to watch and we certainly had a go that season.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:14:28 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 15, 2024, 10:06:32 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
I'd honestly think more of management if we went gung ho and ended up losing rather than going out and playing cowardly football like the Monaghan quarter final.
Hopefully we can strike a happy medium though!
Yes, I'd ageee with that. I've no problem losing providing we do so by trying to win the match rather than playing not to lose and engaging in another arm wrestle. As well as being pain staking to watch it doesn't actually suit the type of player we have.
The Galway defeat in 2022 was one I could live with as it was enjoyable football to watch and we certainly had a go that season.
We had a go second half that day when the old style was clearly no longer working. Even then we reverted to type when we went ahead and stopped doing what got us into the game. The extra time period was the same. Ultra conservative, concede then have to play from behind.
My worry with this group is that I have no idea if we are any good or not because we never seem to go for it. As others have said if we try and fail then at least we will know
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
Quote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
No, neither is the league, Sam is the only show in town!! :-X
Quote from: JoG2 on April 15, 2024, 11:36:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
No, neither is the league, Sam is the only show in town!! :-X
the Ulster championship has an important advantage in that someone other than Dublin has to win it.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
Theres only 3 trophies you can win at the start of the year. If an Ulster title isn't meaningful why bother even playing
Derry have already won 2!
Quote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
It definitely is, anybody who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
Quote from: ranch on April 16, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
It definitely is, anybody who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
Devalue everything except the one cup that's pretty much unattainable for most counties in a given year, it's a coping mechanism to avoid disappointment
Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 10:38:43 AMQuote from: ranch on April 16, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
It definitely is, anybody who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
Devalue everything except the one cup that's pretty much unattainable for most counties in a given year, it's a coping mechanism to avoid disappointment
This is it, 100%
Is it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
Just watched few highlights from Ulster final last year. 2 things sort of stood out- we need Rian hitting that form again to do anything against Derry if we meet. We'd also need to do a better job on Rodgers, he'd the freedom of Clones that day. Ciaran Mackin would match up well to him imo
Does Rodgers get the credit he deserves?
He's been immense for Derry the past 3 years.
He has outperformed Glass (and Glass has been good) without getting the same credit always pops up with big scores too.
Glass has probably been better than him this year so far though. Rodgers was quiet enough until the league final but again had a massive game when it mattered.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
At the start of the year there are 4 trophies you can win. Provincial pres season cup, divisional League, provincial championship and AI title. If you think it's not meaningful silverware then the 31 counties who fail to win Sam Maguire will have been failures at the end of the season.
Success shouldn't be judged purely on silverware anyway imo since its all relative to a counties resources and current standing. No doubt the provincial championships have been devalued now but its still meaningful silverware and a prize worth lifting certainly for a county who haven't had much recent success. I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now since its a national title where you have beaten the best 8 teams in the country over a 2 month period.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 16, 2024, 12:13:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
At the start of the year there are 4 trophies you can win. Provincial pres season cup, divisional League, provincial championship and AI title. If you think it's not meaningful silverware then the 31 counties who fail to win Sam Maguire will have been failures at the end of the season.
Success shouldn't be judged purely on silverware anyway imo since its all relative to a counties resources and current standing. No doubt the provincial championships have been devalued now but its still meaningful silverware and a prize worth lifting certainly for a county who haven't had much recent success. I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now since its a national title where you have beaten the best 8 teams in the country over a 2 month period.
Which is fair enough however in the terms of value winning Ulster will mean 1st seed and avoiding Kerry,Dublin in the group stage.
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 11:27:38 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 10:38:43 AMQuote from: ranch on April 16, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
It definitely is, anybody who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
Devalue everything except the one cup that's pretty much unattainable for most counties in a given year, it's a coping mechanism to avoid disappointment
This is it, 100%
Fair comment.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 16, 2024, 12:18:56 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 16, 2024, 12:13:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
At the start of the year there are 4 trophies you can win. Provincial pres season cup, divisional League, provincial championship and AI title. If you think it's not meaningful silverware then the 31 counties who fail to win Sam Maguire will have been failures at the end of the season.
Success shouldn't be judged purely on silverware anyway imo since its all relative to a counties resources and current standing. No doubt the provincial championships have been devalued now but its still meaningful silverware and a prize worth lifting certainly for a county who haven't had much recent success. I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now since its a national title where you have beaten the best 8 teams in the country over a 2 month period.
Which is fair enough however in the terms of value winning Ulster will mean 1st seed and avoiding Kerry,Dublin in the group stage.
Would mean more if the top two went straight to quarters, this preliminary quarter is quite frankly bollocks.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 16, 2024, 12:18:56 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 16, 2024, 12:13:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
At the start of the year there are 4 trophies you can win. Provincial pres season cup, divisional League, provincial championship and AI title. If you think it's not meaningful silverware then the 31 counties who fail to win Sam Maguire will have been failures at the end of the season.
Success shouldn't be judged purely on silverware anyway imo since its all relative to a counties resources and current standing. No doubt the provincial championships have been devalued now but its still meaningful silverware and a prize worth lifting certainly for a county who haven't had much recent success. I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now since its a national title where you have beaten the best 8 teams in the country over a 2 month period.
Which is fair enough however in the terms of value winning Ulster will mean 1st seed and avoiding Kerry,Dublin in the group stage.
Which is true and does give it some extra value alright. However that only holds water if at the end of the season you win Sam and can look back and say that it was because of the easier pathway that the seeding provided to get us to the AI final. The main reason I would like to win Ulster is for the trophy itself and not a seeding into another competition.
Quote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 16, 2024, 11:59:43 AMDoes Rodgers get the credit he deserves?
He's been immense for Derry the past 3 years.
He has outperformed Glass (and Glass has been good) without getting the same credit always pops up with big scores too.
Glass has probably been better than him this year so far though. Rodgers was quiet enough until the league final but again had a massive game when it mattered.
He was nominated for player of the year last year. That's plenty of credit. I'd say if you asked most Derry fans after the all Ireland semi, they'd pick Rogers over Glass. Glass has been better this year but definite signs that Rogers is coming into form the past couple of games.
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Armagh age profile not against then if they don't get sthing in the next 2/3yrs. Some of there best players are over 30
Beware Tyrone.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 01:55:50 PMArmagh age profile not against then if they don't get sthing in the next 2/3yrs. Some of there best players are over 30
Yeah 4 massive players in Grugan, Forker, Murnin and Soupy all over 30 but I'd say theres a few years left in them yet. Grugan be the hardest replaced of those I think.
Quote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 01:48:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Would be a failure for Armagh not to reach the Ulster final. Derry will be strong favourites to win the final should they reach it. Armagh comfortably bounced back to Div 1 and in 2025 will be their 4th year in the last 5 years to play in Div 1 and the last two years they reached the All Ireland quarter final only losing out on penalty shootouts.
Would another manager have got much more out of Armagh than McGeeney has? I highly doubt it when you consider Armagh haven't won U20/21 Ulster title since 2007 and U17/18 Ulster title since 2009 plus club football especially Crossmaglen hasn't been as strong as they use to be.
Quote from: ranch on April 16, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2024, 11:25:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2024, 10:04:42 PMArmagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over.
The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.
Is it meaningful silverware?
It definitely is, anybody who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
Maybe I am but it's certainly not the trophy it was. A top 8/10 County should be competing for the provincial title on an annual basis. It will be nice to win and if Armagh won I would celebrate but offer me an Ulster title or an All Ireland semi final spot it would be a tough call. I'd definitely take an all Ireland final birth over it.
I know the exact numbers of all Irelands won by every county in Ulster. I know how many all Irelands Galway, Mayo, Kerry, Cork, Dublin and Meath have won. I don't know how many provincials they have.
In the days of straight knock out it definitely was meaningful to win it. Now I'm less convinced and it doesn't help that one of the proposed changes to the calendar is to make the provincials the pre season competition
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
At the start of the year for Down, promotion was the be all and end all, that has been comfortably secured.
But after losing the d3 final and a lacklustre display v Antrim all of a sudden its doom and gloom again.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 16, 2024, 11:59:43 AMDoes Rodgers get the credit he deserves?
He's been immense for Derry the past 3 years.
He has outperformed Glass (and Glass has been good) without getting the same credit always pops up with big scores too.
Glass has probably been better than him this year so far though. Rodgers was quiet enough until the league final but again had a massive game when it mattered.
as an outsider looking in it seems that Rodgers doesnt get the credit he deserves. Glass gets the most of it. Thats nothing against Glass as he is an awesome footballer but Id rogers is on equal footing with him
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
if we were to be beaten by derry in the final would that count as a failure? Not getting to the final will certainly be a failure. Not winning it is not necessarily a failure
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 02:14:36 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 01:55:50 PMArmagh age profile not against then if they don't get sthing in the next 2/3yrs. Some of there best players are over 30
Yeah 4 massive players in Grugan, Forker, Murnin and Soupy all over 30 but I'd say theres a few years left in them yet. Grugan be the hardest replaced of those I think.
Murnin would be 34/35, hardly a few years left in him
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 02:53:00 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 01:48:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Would be a failure for Armagh not to reach the Ulster final. Derry will be strong favourites to win the final should they reach it. Armagh comfortably bounced back to Div 1 and in 2025 will be their 4th year in the last 5 years to play in Div 1 and the last two years they reached the All Ireland quarter final only losing out on penalty shootouts.
Would another manager have got much more out of Armagh than McGeeney has? I highly doubt it when you consider Armagh haven't won U20/21 Ulster title since 2007 and U17/18 Ulster title since 2009 plus club football especially Crossmaglen hasn't been as strong as they use to be.
theres an opinion within Armagh that we have left behind an Ulster and at least one AISF in the last 2 years due to the negative tactics we have seen. So maybe another manager might, and I stress might, have achieved more than McGeeney. Or we could have got thumped in all those games
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:30:53 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 02:14:36 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 01:55:50 PMArmagh age profile not against then if they don't get sthing in the next 2/3yrs. Some of there best players are over 30
Yeah 4 massive players in Grugan, Forker, Murnin and Soupy all over 30 but I'd say theres a few years left in them yet. Grugan be the hardest replaced of those I think.
Murnin would be 34/35, hardly a few years left in him
He's 32 turns 33 in the summer
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:36:42 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:30:53 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 02:14:36 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 01:55:50 PMArmagh age profile not against then if they don't get sthing in the next 2/3yrs. Some of there best players are over 30
Yeah 4 massive players in Grugan, Forker, Murnin and Soupy all over 30 but I'd say theres a few years left in them yet. Grugan be the hardest replaced of those I think.
Murnin would be 34/35, hardly a few years left in him
He's 32 turns 33 in the summer
I take it back. It was 2009 he was on the minors. I had 2007 in my head. Morgan and Grugan the same age then
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:32:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 02:53:00 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 01:48:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Would be a failure for Armagh not to reach the Ulster final. Derry will be strong favourites to win the final should they reach it. Armagh comfortably bounced back to Div 1 and in 2025 will be their 4th year in the last 5 years to play in Div 1 and the last two years they reached the All Ireland quarter final only losing out on penalty shootouts.
Would another manager have got much more out of Armagh than McGeeney has? I highly doubt it when you consider Armagh haven't won U20/21 Ulster title since 2007 and U17/18 Ulster title since 2009 plus club football especially Crossmaglen hasn't been as strong as they use to be.
theres an opinion within Armagh that we have left behind an Ulster and at least one AISF in the last 2 years due to the negative tactics we have seen. So maybe another manager might, and I stress might, have achieved more than McGeeney. Or we could have got thumped in all those games
It's a tough one for me. I think Geezer deserves a lot of credit for building a strong squad with 23/24 players who I would consider all to be good inter county footballers albeit without too many superstars.
That said I think he also deserves criticism for an ultra conservative approach to games against good teams. Is that because
a he doesn't think Armagh are good enough to go toe to toe with a big team.
B Armagh are not good enough and he's trying to cover weaknesses
Or
C He lacks the ability to take Armagh to the next level.
For me the jury is still out. I would love to see us really go for teams with a fast flowing direct style of attack that we showed in some games over the last three years (Dublin at Croke Park for example). That way I think Armagh and Geezer could be fairly analysed.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:32:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 02:53:00 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 01:48:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Would be a failure for Armagh not to reach the Ulster final. Derry will be strong favourites to win the final should they reach it. Armagh comfortably bounced back to Div 1 and in 2025 will be their 4th year in the last 5 years to play in Div 1 and the last two years they reached the All Ireland quarter final only losing out on penalty shootouts.
Would another manager have got much more out of Armagh than McGeeney has? I highly doubt it when you consider Armagh haven't won U20/21 Ulster title since 2007 and U17/18 Ulster title since 2009 plus club football especially Crossmaglen hasn't been as strong as they use to be.
theres an opinion within Armagh that we have left behind an Ulster and at least one AISF in the last 2 years due to the negative tactics we have seen. So maybe another manager might, and I stress might, have achieved more than McGeeney. Or we could have got thumped in all those games
It's a tough one for me. I think Geezer deserves a lot of credit for building a strong squad with 23/24 players who I would consider all to be good inter county footballers albeit without too many superstars.
That said I think he also deserves criticism for an ultra conservative approach to games against good teams. Is that because
a he doesn't think Armagh are good enough to go toe to toe with a big team.
B Armagh are not good enough and he's trying to cover weaknesses
Or
C He lacks the ability to take Armagh to the next level.
For me the jury is still out. I would love to see us really go for teams with a fast flowing direct style of attack that we showed in some games over the last three years (Dublin at Croke Park for example). That way I think Armagh and Geezer could be fairly analysed.
I definitely agree with the last sentence. If we play that style of football and lose- a la Roscommon in Laois a few years ago - I could take it. Its the likes of the Monaghan game last year and Donegal a couple weeks ago which really irritate me
This site is making the over projection of a Derry v Armagh final. I rather literally take it one game at a time, this Saturday could see us out on our ass very handy,
From Kieran taking over until the past 2 years Armagh struggled for years to get a win or two in the Ulster championship and that has been the most disappointing thing for me. Not being able to beat teams they could/should have been beating over 6 or 7 years. That's not all down to lack of underage success. We have though improved markedly in terms of conditioning and tightened up a good bit at the back. Seem better organised these past 2 years but the question is still very much out on whether they can take the next step, i.e. get through tight games and win something or get further than a quarter final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 03:48:04 PMThis site is making the over projection of a Derry v Armagh final. I rather literally take it one game at a time, this Saturday could see us out on our ass very handy,
I was listening to Damian Cassidy on Highland Radio and he made the point that Derry are usually terrible in the Championship after winning the D1 league. Loads of examples of first round defeats, the last one being Fermanagh in 2008 after beating Kerry to win the league. Different era's and all, and we've never had a team as consistent as this one but food for thought.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 03:48:04 PMThis site is making the over projection of a Derry v Armagh final. I rather literally take it one game at a time, this Saturday could see us out on our ass very handy,
100%
I've been saying all along, Donegal could knock us out in the first round.
I'd love to see us win another Ulster - but if we get beaten on Saturday it wouldn't be a huge shock.
Donegal were in the final 2 years ago and we just beat them.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:46:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:32:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 02:53:00 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 01:48:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Would be a failure for Armagh not to reach the Ulster final. Derry will be strong favourites to win the final should they reach it. Armagh comfortably bounced back to Div 1 and in 2025 will be their 4th year in the last 5 years to play in Div 1 and the last two years they reached the All Ireland quarter final only losing out on penalty shootouts.
Would another manager have got much more out of Armagh than McGeeney has? I highly doubt it when you consider Armagh haven't won U20/21 Ulster title since 2007 and U17/18 Ulster title since 2009 plus club football especially Crossmaglen hasn't been as strong as they use to be.
theres an opinion within Armagh that we have left behind an Ulster and at least one AISF in the last 2 years due to the negative tactics we have seen. So maybe another manager might, and I stress might, have achieved more than McGeeney. Or we could have got thumped in all those games
It's a tough one for me. I think Geezer deserves a lot of credit for building a strong squad with 23/24 players who I would consider all to be good inter county footballers albeit without too many superstars.
That said I think he also deserves criticism for an ultra conservative approach to games against good teams. Is that because
a he doesn't think Armagh are good enough to go toe to toe with a big team.
B Armagh are not good enough and he's trying to cover weaknesses
Or
C He lacks the ability to take Armagh to the next level.
For me the jury is still out. I would love to see us really go for teams with a fast flowing direct style of attack that we showed in some games over the last three years (Dublin at Croke Park for example). That way I think Armagh and Geezer could be fairly analysed.
I definitely agree with the last sentence. If we play that style of football and lose- a la Roscommon in Laois a few years ago - I could take it. Its the likes of the Monaghan game last year and Donegal a couple weeks ago which really irritate me
Yeah 100%, been saying that for a while now.
Bookies only giving this one a 3pt handicap so they're wary of McGuinness and whatever shenanigans he comes up with.
I would love for us to beat Donegal this weekend but this is their AIF and do we really have the hunger to go after another Ulster title given the hardship it will entail? I don't doubt the team will be telling themselves they want to win every game but how realistic is that nowadays?
If we win that's great, but if we got beat without any big injuries I wouldn't be that disappointed.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 16, 2024, 04:29:55 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 03:48:04 PMThis site is making the over projection of a Derry v Armagh final. I rather literally take it one game at a time, this Saturday could see us out on our ass very handy,
100%
I've been saying all along, Donegal could knock us out in the first round.
I'd love to see us win another Ulster - but if we get beaten on Saturday it wouldn't be a huge shock.
Donegal were in the final 2 years ago and we just beat them.
I think if it wasnt Harte in charge I'd be having Donegal as slight favourites given their need for a provincial is maybe greater than Derrys, but Harte is notorious for wanting to win everything so there'll be no peaking for the All Ireland.
Quote from: screenexile on April 16, 2024, 04:55:57 PMBookies only giving this one a 3pt handicap so they're wary of McGuinness and whatever shenanigans he comes up with.
I would love for us to beat Donegal this weekend but this is their AIF and do we really have the hunger to go after another Ulster title given the hardship it will entail? I don't doubt the team will be telling themselves they want to win every game but how realistic is that nowadays?
If we win that's great, but if we got beat without any big injuries I wouldn't be that disappointed.
I understand the caution of you Derry lads and the bookies also, but to this point, this new Donegal team are completely untested.
Leaving aside the injuries/fitness of a few of our key players (I haven't seen any update on McBrearty, McHugh, Ban or McCole), we're relying on a lot of lads who are either new to this high level of football or who haven't exactly passed the test with flying colours in the past. The likes of Langan and Thompson can swing point after point over the bar from the 45, but they can also be squeezed out of games completely. We didn't respond to the high pressure too well in games like Mayo 2019, Cavan 2020 or Derry/Armagh 2022 (I'll leave out Tyrone 2021 due to the Murphy penalty miss and red card!).
I think we'll give a good account of ourselves for 55-60 minutes, but Derry just look stronger, more experienced and battle-hardened across all the lines and will win by six or seven points in the end.
Time for healing ahead of the group stages for us.
Quote from: screenexile on April 16, 2024, 04:55:57 PMBookies only giving this one a 3pt handicap so they're wary of McGuinness and whatever shenanigans he comes up with.
I would love for us to beat Donegal this weekend but this is their AIF and do we really have the hunger to go after another Ulster title given the hardship it will entail? I don't doubt the team will be telling themselves they want to win every game but how realistic is that nowadays?
If we win that's great, but if we got beat without any big injuries I wouldn't be that disappointed.
This media led obsession with Jimmy McGuinness is getting tiresome. He can't play the match despite claims of him pulling rabbits out of hats, having tricks up his sleeve and coming up with something new (shenanigans). Gaelic football is different today than it was 12 years ago and opposition teams are being analysed to death so there will be no new major innovative breakthrough.
No doubt if Donegal manage to win (which I don't think they will) it will be put down to the genius of Jimmy. More likely it will just be your run of the mill arm wrestle though as he knows that he probably needs to reduce the game to a defensive slugfest in order to stand a chance. Pragmatism and a reversion to what he know best will take over as I didn't see anything majorly innovative during the League campaign, just a team that were better prepared than the previous season.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
Quote from: Armamike on April 16, 2024, 03:50:16 PMFrom Kieran taking over until the past 2 years Armagh struggled for years to get a win or two in the Ulster championship and that has been the most disappointing thing for me. Not being able to beat teams they could/should have been beating over 6 or 7 years. That's not all down to lack of underage success. We have though improved markedly in terms of conditioning and tightened up a good bit at the back. Seem better organised these past 2 years but the question is still very much out on whether they can take the next step, i.e. get through tight games and win something or get further than a quarter final.
Not being disrespectful, but 2 very lop sided draws in '23 and' 24 surely helped?
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 16, 2024, 04:29:55 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 03:48:04 PMThis site is making the over projection of a Derry v Armagh final. I rather literally take it one game at a time, this Saturday could see us out on our ass very handy,
100%
I've been saying all along, Donegal could knock us out in the first round.
I'd love to see us win another Ulster - but if we get beaten on Saturday it wouldn't be a huge shock.
Donegal were in the final 2 years ago and we just beat them.
Couldn't agree more. A 1 or 2 point win for Donegal in a very physical / defensive game wouldn't be a huge surprise
Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 06:04:30 PMQuote from: Armamike on April 16, 2024, 03:50:16 PMFrom Kieran taking over until the past 2 years Armagh struggled for years to get a win or two in the Ulster championship and that has been the most disappointing thing for me. Not being able to beat teams they could/should have been beating over 6 or 7 years. That's not all down to lack of underage success. We have though improved markedly in terms of conditioning and tightened up a good bit at the back. Seem better organised these past 2 years but the question is still very much out on whether they can take the next step, i.e. get through tight games and win something or get further than a quarter final.
Not being disrespectful, but 2 very lop sided draws in '23 and' 24 surely helped?
Absolutely, but seen the days where we were losing to Fermanagh and Cavan in Ulster first round games. (Did Down actually beat us under Geezer as well?)
I just want to point out this stat. Cavan are unbeaten in championship against Tyrone in Breffni for more than 40 years.
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 06:19:46 PMI just want to point out this stat. Cavan are unbeaten in championship against Tyrone in Breffni for more than 40 years.
How many Cavan v Tyrone championship matches has been played in Breffni the last 40 years?
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:32:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 02:53:00 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 01:48:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Would be a failure for Armagh not to reach the Ulster final. Derry will be strong favourites to win the final should they reach it. Armagh comfortably bounced back to Div 1 and in 2025 will be their 4th year in the last 5 years to play in Div 1 and the last two years they reached the All Ireland quarter final only losing out on penalty shootouts.
Would another manager have got much more out of Armagh than McGeeney has? I highly doubt it when you consider Armagh haven't won U20/21 Ulster title since 2007 and U17/18 Ulster title since 2009 plus club football especially Crossmaglen hasn't been as strong as they use to be.
theres an opinion within Armagh that we have left behind an Ulster and at least one AISF in the last 2 years due to the negative tactics we have seen. So maybe another manager might, and I stress might, have achieved more than McGeeney. Or we could have got thumped in all those games
It's a tough one for me. I think Geezer deserves a lot of credit for building a strong squad with 23/24 players who I would consider all to be good inter county footballers albeit without too many superstars.
That said I think he also deserves criticism for an ultra conservative approach to games against good teams. Is that because
a he doesn't think Armagh are good enough to go toe to toe with a big team.
B Armagh are not good enough and he's trying to cover weaknesses
Or
C He lacks the ability to take Armagh to the next level.
For me the jury is still out. I would love to see us really go for teams with a fast flowing direct style of attack that we showed in some games over the last three years (Dublin at Croke Park for example). That way I think Armagh and Geezer could be fairly analysed.
If you listen to Monday's GAA Social Podcast, you'll hear Paddy Burns saying that they're sent out to play attacking football every game, and for some reason it doesn't come to pass every time ... he was adamant Kieran McGeeney sends them out to attack, attack, attack.
QuoteAbsolutely, but seen the days where we were losing to Fermanagh and Cavan in Ulster first round games. (Did Down actually beat us under Geezer as well?)
Yes, the complete shame of being beaten by Down.
We are in the race now, but it is amazing that Geezer was kept on through Div 3 and not winning a game in Ulster.
Usually a 101 Tyrone posters around here, not saying much about Saturdays game, lying in the long grass or what!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2024, 08:13:04 PMUsually a 101 Tyrone posters around here, not saying much about Saturdays game, lying in the long grass or what!
Like I said Beware Tyrone.
They are keeping their powder dry.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Sure Galway got to an All-Ireland final 2 yrs ago. I say that counts for nothing in Galway at the minute
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:55:21 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 09:08:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:55:21 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.
Yeah I totally get the other argument, but theres a whole generation of supporters as well who have little/no memory of an Ulster win. Maybe I'm overly nostalgic but it'll always be special to me.
Anyway winning Ulster and getting to an AISF/Final don't need to be mutually exclusive and ideally we'd do both this year.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 16, 2024, 07:32:03 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:32:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 02:53:00 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 01:48:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Would be a failure for Armagh not to reach the Ulster final. Derry will be strong favourites to win the final should they reach it. Armagh comfortably bounced back to Div 1 and in 2025 will be their 4th year in the last 5 years to play in Div 1 and the last two years they reached the All Ireland quarter final only losing out on penalty shootouts.
Would another manager have got much more out of Armagh than McGeeney has? I highly doubt it when you consider Armagh haven't won U20/21 Ulster title since 2007 and U17/18 Ulster title since 2009 plus club football especially Crossmaglen hasn't been as strong as they use to be.
theres an opinion within Armagh that we have left behind an Ulster and at least one AISF in the last 2 years due to the negative tactics we have seen. So maybe another manager might, and I stress might, have achieved more than McGeeney. Or we could have got thumped in all those games
It's a tough one for me. I think Geezer deserves a lot of credit for building a strong squad with 23/24 players who I would consider all to be good inter county footballers albeit without too many superstars.
That said I think he also deserves criticism for an ultra conservative approach to games against good teams. Is that because
a he doesn't think Armagh are good enough to go toe to toe with a big team.
B Armagh are not good enough and he's trying to cover weaknesses
Or
C He lacks the ability to take Armagh to the next level.
For me the jury is still out. I would love to see us really go for teams with a fast flowing direct style of attack that we showed in some games over the last three years (Dublin at Croke Park for example). That way I think Armagh and Geezer could be fairly analysed.
If you listen to Monday's GAA Social Podcast, you'll hear Paddy Burns saying that they're sent out to play attacking football every game, and for some reason it doesn't come to pass every time ... he was adamant Kieran McGeeney sends them out to attack, attack, attack.
I was surprised that that was news to Niblock and Murphy tbh, I've heard or read that in the papers b4 on more than one occasion as well. I don't believe it tbh.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 06:52:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 06:19:46 PMI just want to point out this stat. Cavan are unbeaten in championship against Tyrone in Breffni for more than 40 years.
How many Cavan v Tyrone championship matches has been played in Breffni the last 40 years?
That's irrelevant
Quote from: balladmaker on April 16, 2024, 07:32:03 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2024, 03:32:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 02:53:00 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 01:48:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
Armagh will have failed agreed, Armagh will continue to fail until the County Board grows a set and get rid of McGeeney but they aren't devaluing it. Who's these fans devaluing it two people on a discussion board, most counties would love to win Ulster, doubt Fermanagh, Antrim and Monaghan are sitting there thinking as sure it means nothing.
Would be a failure for Armagh not to reach the Ulster final. Derry will be strong favourites to win the final should they reach it. Armagh comfortably bounced back to Div 1 and in 2025 will be their 4th year in the last 5 years to play in Div 1 and the last two years they reached the All Ireland quarter final only losing out on penalty shootouts.
Would another manager have got much more out of Armagh than McGeeney has? I highly doubt it when you consider Armagh haven't won U20/21 Ulster title since 2007 and U17/18 Ulster title since 2009 plus club football especially Crossmaglen hasn't been as strong as they use to be.
theres an opinion within Armagh that we have left behind an Ulster and at least one AISF in the last 2 years due to the negative tactics we have seen. So maybe another manager might, and I stress might, have achieved more than McGeeney. Or we could have got thumped in all those games
It's a tough one for me. I think Geezer deserves a lot of credit for building a strong squad with 23/24 players who I would consider all to be good inter county footballers albeit without too many superstars.
That said I think he also deserves criticism for an ultra conservative approach to games against good teams. Is that because
a he doesn't think Armagh are good enough to go toe to toe with a big team.
B Armagh are not good enough and he's trying to cover weaknesses
Or
C He lacks the ability to take Armagh to the next level.
For me the jury is still out. I would love to see us really go for teams with a fast flowing direct style of attack that we showed in some games over the last three years (Dublin at Croke Park for example). That way I think Armagh and Geezer could be fairly analysed.
If you listen to Monday's GAA Social Podcast, you'll hear Paddy Burns saying that they're sent out to play attacking football every game, and for some reason it doesn't come to pass every time ... he was adamant Kieran McGeeney sends them out to attack, attack, attack.
Must have been the players who dropped turbo for a more defensive player against Monaghan then
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 09:08:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:55:21 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.
When you have 6 teams capable of beating eachother in a one off game in a competition it's certainly an achievement to win it!!
Quote from: screenexile on April 16, 2024, 10:05:03 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 09:08:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:55:21 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.
When you have 6 teams capable of beating eachother in a one off game in a competition it's certainly an achievement to win it!!
I genuinely don't think you have that in Ulster this year but I take your point. My issue is that it's not as meaningful as it once was. I don't think any of those 6 counties are going 100% to win an Ulster at the expense of their future progress certainly not to the extent they might have in years gone bye. For me that makes it less meaningful than it used to be. As has the introduction of the back door. As has the moved to being played in April/May. As has the talk of it potentially being axed all together etc etc.
So I don't think I'm devaluing it out of some kind of coping mechanism for not winning it. I think it merely has become devalued. That's not a view shared by all and I accept that.
Not quoting that but in reply^ yeah theres probably genuine reasons for not valuing it as much as years gone by and I agree the back door was the start of that, but personally Ulster will always mean something to me (unless we do a Dublin and win the next 10 ;) )
Totally understand why you'd see it as less meaningful now though but I'd say you'll roar as loud as me if we do go on and win it this year!
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 09:47:12 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 06:52:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 06:19:46 PMI just want to point out this stat. Cavan are unbeaten in championship against Tyrone in Breffni for more than 40 years.
How many Cavan v Tyrone championship matches has been played in Breffni the last 40 years?
That's irrelevant
It's all relevant.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 10:22:45 PMNot quoting that but in reply^ yeah theres probably genuine reasons for not valuing it as much as years gone by and I agree the back door was the start of that, but personally Ulster will always mean something to me (unless we do a Dublin and win the next 10 ;) )
Totally understand why you'd see it as less meaningful now though but I'd say you'll roar as loud as me if we do go on and win it this year!
I would say you are right. But come game day all rational thought goes out the window anyway.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 10:15:29 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 16, 2024, 10:05:03 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 09:08:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:55:21 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.
When you have 6 teams capable of beating eachother in a one off game in a competition it's certainly an achievement to win it!!
I genuinely don't think you have that in Ulster this year but I take your point. My issue is that it's not as meaningful as it once was. I don't think any of those 6 counties are going 100% to win an Ulster at the expense of their future progress certainly not to the extent they might have in years gone bye. For me that makes it less meaningful than it used to be. As has the introduction of the back door. As has the moved to being played in April/May. As has the talk of it potentially being axed all together etc etc.
So I don't think I'm devaluing it out of some kind of coping mechanism for not winning it. I think it merely has become devalued. That's not a view shared by all and I accept that.
What do you think those counties are doing (or not doing) to lead you believe that they are giving less than 100%?
I think every county are trying their best to win a provincial title but for some it's just a safeguard mechanism that if they happen to fail along the way. The proper judgement on that will only come when the season has ended and the year as a whole can be properly assessed.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 16, 2024, 11:07:38 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 10:15:29 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 16, 2024, 10:05:03 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 09:08:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:55:21 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.
When you have 6 teams capable of beating eachother in a one off game in a competition it's certainly an achievement to win it!!
I genuinely don't think you have that in Ulster this year but I take your point. My issue is that it's not as meaningful as it once was. I don't think any of those 6 counties are going 100% to win an Ulster at the expense of their future progress certainly not to the extent they might have in years gone bye. For me that makes it less meaningful than it used to be. As has the introduction of the back door. As has the moved to being played in April/May. As has the talk of it potentially being axed all together etc etc.
So I don't think I'm devaluing it out of some kind of coping mechanism for not winning it. I think it merely has become devalued. That's not a view shared by all and I accept that.
What do you think those counties are doing (or not doing) to lead you believe that they are giving less than 100%?
I think every county are trying their best to win a provincial title but for some it's just a safeguard mechanism that if they happen to fail along the way. The proper judgement on that will only come when the season has ended and the year as a whole can be properly assessed.
I don't think they plan to peak for a run at Ulster. I think training is set so they are at a good enough level for Ulster but hope to peak for the later matches. I think they know that being at your absolute best from April to August is much more difficult than peaking in mid to late June. I think in the modern sport science approach that many of the top counties have a similar approach.
In a similar vein I don't think fellas will risk injuries by playing when not fit in provincial games the way you would have seen in previous years.
Of course I could be wrong. As you say the only way you'll ever know is in hindsight.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 10:23:05 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 09:47:12 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 06:52:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 06:19:46 PMI just want to point out this stat. Cavan are unbeaten in championship against Tyrone in Breffni for more than 40 years.
How many Cavan v Tyrone championship matches has been played in Breffni the last 40 years?
That's irrelevant
It's all relevant.
No its not
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 11:36:50 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 10:23:05 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 09:47:12 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 06:52:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 06:19:46 PMI just want to point out this stat. Cavan are unbeaten in championship against Tyrone in Breffni for more than 40 years.
How many Cavan v Tyrone championship matches has been played in Breffni the last 40 years?
That's irrelevant
It's all relevant.
No its not
To answer my own question one match in 1983 won by Cavan 0-10 to 0-11. Since then in other venues 8 Ulster championship meetings between the two with Tyrone winning 6 and two draws.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 17, 2024, 01:50:28 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 11:36:50 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 10:23:05 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 09:47:12 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 16, 2024, 06:52:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 06:19:46 PMI just want to point out this stat. Cavan are unbeaten in championship against Tyrone in Breffni for more than 40 years.
How many Cavan v Tyrone championship matches has been played in Breffni the last 40 years?
That's irrelevant
It's all relevant.
No its not
To answer my own question one match in 1983 won by Cavan 0-10 to 0-11. Since then in other venues 8 Ulster championship meetings between the two with Tyrone winning 6 and two draws.
It's worth looking before 83 too, they stats are not good for Tyrone. I expect they are frozen with fear for this game.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 11:18:34 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 16, 2024, 11:07:38 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 10:15:29 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 16, 2024, 10:05:03 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 09:08:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:55:21 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.
When you have 6 teams capable of beating eachother in a one off game in a competition it's certainly an achievement to win it!!
I genuinely don't think you have that in Ulster this year but I take your point. My issue is that it's not as meaningful as it once was. I don't think any of those 6 counties are going 100% to win an Ulster at the expense of their future progress certainly not to the extent they might have in years gone bye. For me that makes it less meaningful than it used to be. As has the introduction of the back door. As has the moved to being played in April/May. As has the talk of it potentially being axed all together etc etc.
So I don't think I'm devaluing it out of some kind of coping mechanism for not winning it. I think it merely has become devalued. That's not a view shared by all and I accept that.
What do you think those counties are doing (or not doing) to lead you believe that they are giving less than 100%?
I think every county are trying their best to win a provincial title but for some it's just a safeguard mechanism that if they happen to fail along the way. The proper judgement on that will only come when the season has ended and the year as a whole can be properly assessed.
I don't think they plan to peak for a run at Ulster. I think training is set so they are at a good enough level for Ulster but hope to peak for the later matches. I think they know that being at your absolute best from April to August is much more difficult than peaking in mid to late June. I think in the modern sport science approach that many of the top counties have a similar approach.
In a similar vein I don't think fellas will risk injuries by playing when not fit in provincial games the way you would have seen in previous years.
Of course I could be wrong. As you say the only way you'll ever know is in hindsight.
I don't think player fitness levels will fluctuate very much throughout a season the way players are conditioned now. It's not like in the past where players came back pre season with weight to shed and could train for 4-6 week blocks before the League season or championship campaign began. There just isn't the room to do that anymore and they are conditioned to play matches week on week with a good base line fitness level built up. An injured player mightn't wish to put his season in jeopardy by coming back too soon alright but I don't believe that any county aren't giving 100% to win a provincial championship as there aren't that many cups to win.
Kerry and Dublin might be the rare exception as they are so far ahead of the opposition in their provinces they could probably afford to not taper too much before matches and still win their provinces easily.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree.
I talk alot of nonsense but I'm an honest man re the comment above
QuoteYou are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
Again, I'm not holding the Anglo Celt up as the be all and end all. It is 1 of 3 major honours my county can win, 1 of 2 in the championship arena. Rarely missing a home or away game in manys a year and being starved of celebrations, winning the Ulster the last two years has been huge for the county. It's the toughest province to win, and if you're able to win it, you're in good stead for the rest of the season. Not only that, you're seeded in pot one and your home, away and neutral are a bit handier.
Your hypothetical scenarios of not winning or sacrificing an Ulster to go deeper in the AI series, does this hold much merit? Armagh would do well to win Ulster and then give the AI a serious rattle, because if you're good enough to win Ulster, you won't be far away. I could maybe understand your pov more if you were from Kerry
Armagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 11:42:20 AMArmagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?
Would have to be seen as a step backwards wouldnt it?
If we lose to Down its a disaster. Looking at potential final opponents- we beat Cavan last year easily so you'd want to be doing the same, we drew with Derry so losing to them would be a backward step, Donegal were shit last year so questions would need asked if they managed to leapfrog us with a new manager. Wouldnt even want to contemplate losing to Tyrone!
I'm looking forward to Derry Donegal match this weekend.
Derry favourites of course, but there is that Jesus factor with Jimmy boy
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Quote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 12:31:25 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 11:42:20 AMArmagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?
Would have to be seen as a step backwards wouldnt it?
If we lose to Down its a disaster. Looking at potential final opponents- we beat Cavan last year easily so you'd want to be doing the same, we drew with Derry so losing to them would be a backward step, Donegal were shit last year so questions would need asked if they managed to leapfrog us with a new manager. Wouldnt even want to contemplate losing to Tyrone!
if we get to the final and were beat, again (forget about this draw nonsense, they beat us hence they are the defending champions), by Derry it wouldnt be a step back in my eyes.
Arguably last year was a failure by Armagh given we had played in a higher division and the shenanigans around derry in te lead up to the final. This year, again presuming it is us and derry in the final, derry go in as league champions with a multiple all ireland winning manager and we, well, we dont. Thye played at a higher level than us all year also.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2024, 01:55:28 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 12:31:25 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 11:42:20 AMArmagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?
Would have to be seen as a step backwards wouldnt it?
If we lose to Down its a disaster. Looking at potential final opponents- we beat Cavan last year easily so you'd want to be doing the same, we drew with Derry so losing to them would be a backward step, Donegal were shit last year so questions would need asked if they managed to leapfrog us with a new manager. Wouldnt even want to contemplate losing to Tyrone!
if we get to the final and were beat, again (forget about this draw nonsense, they beat us hence they are the defending champions), by Derry it wouldnt be a step back in my eyes.
Arguably last year was a failure by Armagh given we had played in a higher division and the shenanigans around derry in te lead up to the final. This year, again presuming it is us and derry in the final, derry go in as league champions with a multiple all ireland winning manager and we, well, we dont. Thye played at a higher level than us all year also.
Though it really isn't nonsense they won a penalty shoot out based on rules introduced by Croke Park to compress the GAA season under the guise of Club Welfare (what has a penalty shoot out got to do with a GAA match), but really for the leasing of Croke Park over the summer as a business venture. That aside another year under Geezer with nothing to show would be a failure.
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 02:02:04 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2024, 01:55:28 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 12:31:25 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 11:42:20 AMArmagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?
Would have to be seen as a step backwards wouldnt it?
If we lose to Down its a disaster. Looking at potential final opponents- we beat Cavan last year easily so you'd want to be doing the same, we drew with Derry so losing to them would be a backward step, Donegal were shit last year so questions would need asked if they managed to leapfrog us with a new manager. Wouldnt even want to contemplate losing to Tyrone!
if we get to the final and were beat, again (forget about this draw nonsense, they beat us hence they are the defending champions), by Derry it wouldnt be a step back in my eyes.
Arguably last year was a failure by Armagh given we had played in a higher division and the shenanigans around derry in te lead up to the final. This year, again presuming it is us and derry in the final, derry go in as league champions with a multiple all ireland winning manager and we, well, we dont. Thye played at a higher level than us all year also.
Though it really isn't nonsense they won a penalty shoot out based on rules introduced by Croke Park to compress the GAA season under the guise of Club Welfare (what has a penalty shoot out got to do with a GAA match), but really for the leasing of Croke Park over the summer as a business venture. That aside another year under Geezer with nothing to show would be a failure.
It is 100% nonsense, couldn't be any more nonsense.
What Croke Pk venture stopped a potential replay the following weekend which was a: free and b: wouldn't be played at Croke Pk? More nonsense! :P
Without getting into the penalties argument. Still think if Derry were to beat us in normal/extra time it signifies a step back. If Derry have improved so much then why havent we? And if Donegal were to leapfrog us then thats a poor reflection for a team in really the first year of its rebuild.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 03:13:10 PMWithout getting into the penalties argument. Still think if Derry were to beat us in normal/extra time it signifies a step back. If Derry have improved so much then why havent we? And if Donegal were to leapfrog us then thats a poor reflection for a team in really the first year of its rebuild.
see the afore mentioned multi AI winning manager for one. Playing against better opposition all year. Lack of nonsense around them this year especially in the build up to the - as yet hypothetical Ulster final - Doesnt mean we havent improved but we may not have improved as much as them
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 02:02:04 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2024, 01:55:28 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 12:31:25 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 11:42:20 AMArmagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?
Would have to be seen as a step backwards wouldnt it?
If we lose to Down its a disaster. Looking at potential final opponents- we beat Cavan last year easily so you'd want to be doing the same, we drew with Derry so losing to them would be a backward step, Donegal were shit last year so questions would need asked if they managed to leapfrog us with a new manager. Wouldnt even want to contemplate losing to Tyrone!
if we get to the final and were beat, again (forget about this draw nonsense, they beat us hence they are the defending champions), by Derry it wouldnt be a step back in my eyes.
Arguably last year was a failure by Armagh given we had played in a higher division and the shenanigans around derry in te lead up to the final. This year, again presuming it is us and derry in the final, derry go in as league champions with a multiple all ireland winning manager and we, well, we dont. Thye played at a higher level than us all year also.
Though it really isn't nonsense they won a penalty shoot out based on rules introduced by Croke Park to compress the GAA season under the guise of Club Welfare (what has a penalty shoot out got to do with a GAA match), but really for the leasing of Croke Park over the summer as a business venture. That aside another year under Geezer with nothing to show would be a failure.
Derry won based on the rules of the game.
Whether or not you agree with the rules is up to you but result is there. Derry beat Armagh.
Remains to be see if we can do it again. At the minute I'll be happy if we beat Donegal.
There honestly is no weight of expectation from Derry fans that I'm aware of, I think coming from years of false dawns we now always expect the worst but doesn't stop us from hoping for the best.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 17, 2024, 03:47:49 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 02:02:04 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2024, 01:55:28 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 12:31:25 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 11:42:20 AMArmagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?
Would have to be seen as a step backwards wouldnt it?
If we lose to Down its a disaster. Looking at potential final opponents- we beat Cavan last year easily so you'd want to be doing the same, we drew with Derry so losing to them would be a backward step, Donegal were shit last year so questions would need asked if they managed to leapfrog us with a new manager. Wouldnt even want to contemplate losing to Tyrone!
if we get to the final and were beat, again (forget about this draw nonsense, they beat us hence they are the defending champions), by Derry it wouldnt be a step back in my eyes.
Arguably last year was a failure by Armagh given we had played in a higher division and the shenanigans around derry in te lead up to the final. This year, again presuming it is us and derry in the final, derry go in as league champions with a multiple all ireland winning manager and we, well, we dont. Thye played at a higher level than us all year also.
Though it really isn't nonsense they won a penalty shoot out based on rules introduced by Croke Park to compress the GAA season under the guise of Club Welfare (what has a penalty shoot out got to do with a GAA match), but really for the leasing of Croke Park over the summer as a business venture. That aside another year under Geezer with nothing to show would be a failure.
Derry won based on the rules of the game.
Whether or not you agree with the rules is up to you but result is there. Derry beat Armagh.
Remains to be see if we can do it again. At the minute I'll be happy if we beat Donegal.
There honestly is no weight of expectation from Derry fans that I'm aware of, I think coming from years of false dawns we now always expect the worst but doesn't stop us from hoping for the best.
as an armagh man I agree and it bugs me when people say otherwise.
As for your last sentence beent here for a long time but i have now moved onto expecting the worst and getting it haha
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 03:13:10 PMWithout getting into the penalties argument. Still think if Derry were to beat us in normal/extra time it signifies a step back. If Derry have improved so much then why havent we? And if Donegal were to leapfrog us then thats a poor reflection for a team in really the first year of its rebuild.
Tbh though Derry had significant upheaval going into that game last year. I would say Derry are a bit (good bit) ahead of where Armagh are. Derry are in the top 3 counties but Armagh aren't and weren't. I am not convinced that Armagh would have been as close to them had the circumstances been normal - will never know granted.
If Armagh beat Derry in normal time they've improved massively.
(Not a derry person!)
The phrase 2 bald men fighting over a comb springs to mind ::)
Armagh need to beat Down first and that is never guaranteed especially with our track record for self harm. I don't think if we can get over them that we are good enough to beat either Derry or Donegal.
Don't forget Tyrone or Cavan
Quote from: tiempo on April 17, 2024, 04:16:11 PMThe phrase 2 bald men fighting over a comb springs to mind ::)
Yah man 8)
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 03:13:10 PMWithout getting into the penalties argument. Still think if Derry were to beat us in normal/extra time it signifies a step back. If Derry have improved so much then why havent we? And if Donegal were to leapfrog us then thats a poor reflection for a team in really the first year of its rebuild.
Donegal were in the final 2 years ago and Derry just beat them.
They had a poor year last year with Murphy leaving and new management - but the ship has steadied and management is at a high level. I feel Donegal are getting back to where they were 2 years ago - which was already ahead of Armagh. That's why I'd be concerned about playing them this weekend.
Armagh could beat Derry/Donegal/Down, but I would be more confident from a Derry pov of playing Armagh than Donegal.
2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 06:04:30 PMQuote from: Armamike on April 16, 2024, 03:50:16 PMFrom Kieran taking over until the past 2 years Armagh struggled for years to get a win or two in the Ulster championship and that has been the most disappointing thing for me. Not being able to beat teams they could/should have been beating over 6 or 7 years. That's not all down to lack of underage success. We have though improved markedly in terms of conditioning and tightened up a good bit at the back. Seem better organised these past 2 years but the question is still very much out on whether they can take the next step, i.e. get through tight games and win something or get further than a quarter final.
Not being disrespectful, but 2 very lop sided draws in '23 and' 24 surely helped?
Yes of course but my point was that Armagh couldn't beat any of these teams in previous years.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2024, 07:13:02 PM2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.
Joyce called it out as well, two men with common sense, few Derry wans losing their minds here.
We aren't soccer. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0626/1306973-joyce-choice-of-penalties-by-the-gaa-is-disgraceful/%23:~:text%3DSpeaking%2520to%2520RT%25C3%2589%2520Sport%2520after,condensed%2520season%252C%2522%2520he%2520said.&ved=2ahUKEwjjuqKO-cmFAxWUQUEAHTTkCuAQFnoECBIQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3BbCdMvuhNgEWa2ibO_ujS)
You might wanna back that up with evidence Tones or risk being called a fool 😉
Quote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2024, 07:13:02 PM2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.
It wasn't penalties they beat Donegal on though?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 17, 2024, 08:58:12 PMYou might wanna back that up with evidence Tones or risk being called a fool 😉
I posted the link it was deleted by not me.
Link (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0626/1306973-joyce-choice-of-penalties-by-the-gaa-is-disgraceful/%23:~:text%3DSpeaking%2520to%2520RT%25C3%2589%2520Sport%2520after,condensed%2520season%252C%2522%2520he%2520said.&ved=2ahUKEwjjuqKO-cmFAxWUQUEAHTTkCuAQFnoECBIQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3BbCdMvuhNgEWa2ibO_ujS)
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:16:18 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 17, 2024, 08:58:12 PMYou might wanna back that up with evidence Tones or risk being called a fool 😉
I posted the link it was deleted by not me.
Link (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0626/1306973-joyce-choice-of-penalties-by-the-gaa-is-disgraceful/%23:~:text%3DSpeaking%2520to%2520RT%25C3%2589%2520Sport%2520after,condensed%2520season%252C%2522%2520he%2520said.&ved=2ahUKEwjjuqKO-cmFAxWUQUEAHTTkCuAQFnoECBIQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3BbCdMvuhNgEWa2ibO_ujS)
Yeah I remember Joyce at the time saying it was no way to lose in fairness.
It is what it is but it's far from GAA as we all know it.
In fairness every time we were beat on penalties we should have had the game won so cant complain too much.
Really in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Look I can't stand them either, said it from the start. But at this stage it is what it is.
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 08:13:29 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2024, 07:13:02 PM2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.
Joyce called it out as well, two men with common sense, few Derry wans losing their minds here.
;D.. You're running around the threads like a dog with 2 dicks
Quote from: JoG2 on April 17, 2024, 09:39:52 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 08:13:29 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2024, 07:13:02 PM2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.
Joyce called it out as well, two men with common sense, few Derry wans losing their minds here.
;D.. You're running around the threads like a dog with 2 dicks
Quality
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2024, 09:39:23 PMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Look I can't stand them either, said it from the start. But at this stage it is what it is.
Which is a balls of a system. On the plus side the clubs are getting use of the county players, like wtf planet are these folk on.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 17, 2024, 08:58:12 PMYou might wanna back that up with evidence Tones or risk being called a fool 😉
Any apologies there?
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 10:07:25 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 17, 2024, 08:58:12 PMYou might wanna back that up with evidence Tones or risk being called a fool 😉
Any apologies there?
I meant the bit about Derry wans losing their minds on here mucker 😉
Lmao read JoG2s posts defo wasn't around when Joe was blowing kisses, remember the bus coming through Armagh and the huge crowds applauding them, social media means one tool can change the narrative, said before rather Derry win Sam then another to Dublin or Kerry but Jesus that's changing.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 17, 2024, 10:26:52 PMthe same people crying about soccer are the same people that wanted no league finals which is a soccer thing.
Google couldn't translate that.
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 10:26:29 PMLmao read JoG2s posts defo wasn't around when Joe was blowing kisses, remember the bus coming through Armagh and the huge crowds applauding them, social media means one tool can change the narrative, said before rather Derry win Sam then another to Dublin or Kerry but Jesus that's changing.
Few derry wans = Jog. understand ye now.
Gona guess jog was about in the joe days btw
Yer right about one tool on social media changing the narrative (or tryin to) I'll give you that 🤝🤓
Well if you have multiple names you would know the emojis say it all
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 10:41:44 PMWell if you have multiple names you would know the emojis say it all
Google couldn't translate that 😉
On that note I bid thee good night
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2024, 07:13:02 PM2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.
It wasn't penalties they beat Donegal on though?
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he meant last year's Ulster and this years NFL, maybe I'm being generous in my interpretation?
Quote from: onefineday on April 18, 2024, 07:23:15 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2024, 07:13:02 PM2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.
It wasn't penalties they beat Donegal on though?
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he meant last year's Ulster and this years NFL, maybe I'm being generous in my interpretation?
not to defend him but I am pretty sure thats what he meant
Any of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 09:49:33 AMAny of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
That's ridiculous. All he did was interview a guy and write a book. McGuinness would want to wise up, its bad enough he will be remembered as the guy who destroyed football for a decade but does he want to be remembered as a bitter dick too?
Quote from: Itchy on April 18, 2024, 09:58:54 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 09:49:33 AMAny of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
That's ridiculous. All he did was interview a guy and write a book. McGuinness would want to wise up, its bad enough he will be remembered as the guy who destroyed football for a decade but does he want to be remembered as a bitter dick too?
No sure you can blame him for ruining football despite what the media would make out.
That Donegal side played some great football they shouldn't be defined by that Dublin game.
Its the copycat coaches who have no innovation that have 'ruined the game'.
I agree though it is a bit ridiculous from McGuinness; I think his issues are that he believes there were inaccuracies in the book. But hasnt specified what they were as far as I know.
It doesn't paint him in a good light at all. Not fair on your man Bogue who seems like a decent enough sort tbf to him.
I'd agree with what you say on the ruining of football southofthebann. People keep referring back to the dublin semi final but that was one game and if you look at 2012 donegal played some fantastic football. You could see he was all for defending in numbers and then break en masse at pace but they didn't have the fitness yet in 2011 to do the break at pace. The fitness you need to play that game is just not going to be achieved by most teams so you'll just see the defend in numbers and the last bit won't happen. That's not his fault.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 09:49:33 AMAny of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
Also likes a siege mentality!
Quote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Yeah yous did.
Worse than that, it's a match you should have won and had every chance of winning, but bottled it.
Derry in the week leading up to the final had an unprecedented level of upheaval and that was evident in their performance. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
We had Brendan Rogers on a black card at the end of normal time and the and most of the first part of extra time. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
Yous were a point up towards the end of extra time and Rian O'Neill gave away a stupid needless free giving Derry the opportunity to draw level - and they took it. All Armagh had to do was keep their discipline and they probably win. But they didn't.
Armagh were given yet another chance to win in penalties - but bottled it again.
How many chances to yous need to be given to win a game before you stop moaning about not losing?
It was a losing performance from Armagh all day when they should absolutely have won. And you're complaining about penalties? If it went to a replay we'd have won again too.
Maybe that's strange logic too! ;D ;D ;D
So, silliness aside, I'm looking forward to the game against Donegal with equal measures of excitement and fear - proper championship game. I really hope we get an opportunity to contest another Ulster final - we haven't played Down in a final for along time ;) :P
Ah jaysus, another Derry man losing the head 😋 - that must be several dozen on here now
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 18, 2024, 11:04:17 AMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Yeah yous did.
Worse than that, it's a match you should have won and had every chance of winning, but bottled it.
Derry in the week leading up to the final had an unprecedented level of upheaval and that was evident in their performance. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
We had Brendan Rogers on a black card at the end of normal time and the and most of the first part of extra time. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
Yous were a point up towards the end of extra time and Rian O'Neill gave away a stupid needless free giving Derry the opportunity to draw level - and they took it. All Armagh had to do was keep their discipline and they probably win. But they didn't.
Armagh were given yet another chance to win in penalties - but bottled it again.
How many chances to yous need to be given to win a game before you stop moaning about not losing?
It was a losing performance from Armagh all day when they should absolutely have won. And you're complaining about penalties? If it went to a replay we'd have won again too.
Maybe that's strange logic too! ;D ;D ;D
So, silliness aside, I'm looking forward to the game against Donegal with equal measures of excitement and fear - proper championship game. I really hope we get an opportunity to contest another Ulster final - we haven't played Down in a final for along time ;) :P
I don't agree with the narrative that Armagh should have won. We led that game the whole way through normal time, we were 2 points up on more than one occasion in the last 10 minutes of normal time. I remember Brendan Rogers fisted an easy one wide that would have put us 3 up in normal time with not long left and it would have been game over. Armagh were chasing us the whole game, had their chances to win it too in the end but from the position we were in we should have closed that game out in normal time.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 18, 2024, 11:04:17 AMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Yeah yous did.
Worse than that, it's a match you should have won and had every chance of winning, but bottled it.
Derry in the week leading up to the final had an unprecedented level of upheaval and that was evident in their performance. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
We had Brendan Rogers on a black card at the end of normal time and the and most of the first part of extra time. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
Yous were a point up towards the end of extra time and Rian O'Neill gave away a stupid needless free giving Derry the opportunity to draw level - and they took it. All Armagh had to do was keep their discipline and they probably win. But they didn't.
Armagh were given yet another chance to win in penalties - but bottled it again.
How many chances to yous need to be given to win a game before you stop moaning about not losing?
It was a losing performance from Armagh all day when they should absolutely have won. And you're complaining about penalties? If it went to a replay we'd have won again too.
Maybe that's strange logic too! ;D ;D ;D
So, silliness aside, I'm looking forward to the game against Donegal with equal measures of excitement and fear - proper championship game. I really hope we get an opportunity to contest another Ulster final - we haven't played Down in a final for along time ;) :P
Was that free the one where McGuigan took a bite out of him or was that a different incident?
Quote from: Mario on April 18, 2024, 11:28:03 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 18, 2024, 11:04:17 AMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Yeah yous did.
Worse than that, it's a match you should have won and had every chance of winning, but bottled it.
Derry in the week leading up to the final had an unprecedented level of upheaval and that was evident in their performance. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
We had Brendan Rogers on a black card at the end of normal time and the and most of the first part of extra time. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
Yous were a point up towards the end of extra time and Rian O'Neill gave away a stupid needless free giving Derry the opportunity to draw level - and they took it. All Armagh had to do was keep their discipline and they probably win. But they didn't.
Armagh were given yet another chance to win in penalties - but bottled it again.
How many chances to yous need to be given to win a game before you stop moaning about not losing?
It was a losing performance from Armagh all day when they should absolutely have won. And you're complaining about penalties? If it went to a replay we'd have won again too.
Maybe that's strange logic too! ;D ;D ;D
So, silliness aside, I'm looking forward to the game against Donegal with equal measures of excitement and fear - proper championship game. I really hope we get an opportunity to contest another Ulster final - we haven't played Down in a final for along time ;) :P
I don't agree with the narrative that Armagh should have won. We led that game the whole way through normal time, we were 2 points up on more than one occasion in the last 10 minutes of normal time. I remember Brendan Rogers fisted an easy one wide that would have put us 3 up in normal time with not long left and it would have been game over. Armagh were chasing us the whole game, had their chances to win it too in the end but from the position we were in we should have closed that game out in normal time.
I never felt at any stage in that game we would win. Even in extra time when we were leading I never felt we would win
Quote from: Itchy on April 18, 2024, 09:58:54 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 09:49:33 AMAny of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
That's ridiculous. All he did was interview a guy and write a book. McGuinness would want to wise up, its bad enough he will be remembered as the guy who destroyed football for a decade but does he want to be remembered as a bitter dick too?
Most people (who don't exclusively breath through their mouth) would probably explain to you that McGuinness didn't actually force the rest of the counties to play in any particular way, that was completely up to them.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 18, 2024, 11:49:00 AMQuote from: Mario on April 18, 2024, 11:28:03 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 18, 2024, 11:04:17 AMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Yeah yous did.
Worse than that, it's a match you should have won and had every chance of winning, but bottled it.
Derry in the week leading up to the final had an unprecedented level of upheaval and that was evident in their performance. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
We had Brendan Rogers on a black card at the end of normal time and the and most of the first part of extra time. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
Yous were a point up towards the end of extra time and Rian O'Neill gave away a stupid needless free giving Derry the opportunity to draw level - and they took it. All Armagh had to do was keep their discipline and they probably win. But they didn't.
Armagh were given yet another chance to win in penalties - but bottled it again.
How many chances to yous need to be given to win a game before you stop moaning about not losing?
It was a losing performance from Armagh all day when they should absolutely have won. And you're complaining about penalties? If it went to a replay we'd have won again too.
Maybe that's strange logic too! ;D ;D ;D
So, silliness aside, I'm looking forward to the game against Donegal with equal measures of excitement and fear - proper championship game. I really hope we get an opportunity to contest another Ulster final - we haven't played Down in a final for along time ;) :P
I don't agree with the narrative that Armagh should have won. We led that game the whole way through normal time, we were 2 points up on more than one occasion in the last 10 minutes of normal time. I remember Brendan Rogers fisted an easy one wide that would have put us 3 up in normal time with not long left and it would have been game over. Armagh were chasing us the whole game, had their chances to win it too in the end but from the position we were in we should have closed that game out in normal time.
I never felt at any stage in that game we would win. Even in extra time when we were leading I never felt we would win
We definitely should have won, but I'm sure we're both supporting Armagh long enough to very rarely feel as though we will win during a close game!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2024, 11:45:52 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 18, 2024, 11:04:17 AMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Yeah yous did.
Worse than that, it's a match you should have won and had every chance of winning, but bottled it.
Derry in the week leading up to the final had an unprecedented level of upheaval and that was evident in their performance. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
We had Brendan Rogers on a black card at the end of normal time and the and most of the first part of extra time. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
Yous were a point up towards the end of extra time and Rian O'Neill gave away a stupid needless free giving Derry the opportunity to draw level - and they took it. All Armagh had to do was keep their discipline and they probably win. But they didn't.
Armagh were given yet another chance to win in penalties - but bottled it again.
How many chances to yous need to be given to win a game before you stop moaning about not losing?
It was a losing performance from Armagh all day when they should absolutely have won. And you're complaining about penalties? If it went to a replay we'd have won again too.
Maybe that's strange logic too! ;D ;D ;D
So, silliness aside, I'm looking forward to the game against Donegal with equal measures of excitement and fear - proper championship game. I really hope we get an opportunity to contest another Ulster final - we haven't played Down in a final for along time ;) :P
Was that free the one where McGuigan took a bite out of him or was that a different incident?
What bite? I didn't see any bite. Neither did the officials. So no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: Mario on April 18, 2024, 11:28:03 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 18, 2024, 11:04:17 AMQuote from: Tones on April 17, 2024, 09:36:09 PMReally in a match we didn't lose we shouldn't worry about a soccer penalty shoot out because of the GAA imposing it to free up Croke park for handy money, strange logic.
Yeah yous did.
Worse than that, it's a match you should have won and had every chance of winning, but bottled it.
Derry in the week leading up to the final had an unprecedented level of upheaval and that was evident in their performance. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
We had Brendan Rogers on a black card at the end of normal time and the and most of the first part of extra time. Yet Armagh couldn't win.
Yous were a point up towards the end of extra time and Rian O'Neill gave away a stupid needless free giving Derry the opportunity to draw level - and they took it. All Armagh had to do was keep their discipline and they probably win. But they didn't.
Armagh were given yet another chance to win in penalties - but bottled it again.
How many chances to yous need to be given to win a game before you stop moaning about not losing?
It was a losing performance from Armagh all day when they should absolutely have won. And you're complaining about penalties? If it went to a replay we'd have won again too.
Maybe that's strange logic too! ;D ;D ;D
So, silliness aside, I'm looking forward to the game against Donegal with equal measures of excitement and fear - proper championship game. I really hope we get an opportunity to contest another Ulster final - we haven't played Down in a final for along time ;) :P
I don't agree with the narrative that Armagh should have won. We led that game the whole way through normal time, we were 2 points up on more than one occasion in the last 10 minutes of normal time. I remember Brendan Rogers fisted an easy one wide that would have put us 3 up in normal time with not long left and it would have been game over. Armagh were chasing us the whole game, had their chances to win it too in the end but from the position we were in we should have closed that game out in normal time.
Did you not see all my wee smilies? lol.
Quote from: greatpoint on April 18, 2024, 11:53:23 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 18, 2024, 09:58:54 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 09:49:33 AMAny of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
That's ridiculous. All he did was interview a guy and write a book. McGuinness would want to wise up, its bad enough he will be remembered as the guy who destroyed football for a decade but does he want to be remembered as a bitter dick too?
Most people (who don't exclusively breath through their mouth) would probably explain to you that McGuinness didn't actually force the rest of the counties to play in any particular way, that was completely up to them.
I'd say you exclusively breath through your mouth.
Mc Guinness didn't ruin football - simple as.
Sport is always evolving.
I remember the interview with MÓD on TG4 at half-time. He was chatting to Cassidy live and Mc Guinness came over to be interviewed (i can't remember if it was before or after the game) but they were yards apart with MÓD in the middle.
It was just the timing of it and how they came together.
It wasn't long after the book I think.
Quote from: Itchy on April 18, 2024, 12:01:59 PMQuote from: greatpoint on April 18, 2024, 11:53:23 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 18, 2024, 09:58:54 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 09:49:33 AMAny of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
That's ridiculous. All he did was interview a guy and write a book. McGuinness would want to wise up, its bad enough he will be remembered as the guy who destroyed football for a decade but does he want to be remembered as a bitter dick too?
Most people (who don't exclusively breath through their mouth) would probably explain to you that McGuinness didn't actually force the rest of the counties to play in any particular way, that was completely up to them.
I'd say you exclusively breath through your mouth.
Did this sound better in your head?
Quote from: Itchy on April 18, 2024, 09:58:54 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 09:49:33 AMAny of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
That's ridiculous. All he did was interview a guy and write a book. McGuinness would want to wise up, its bad enough he will be remembered as the guy who destroyed football for a decade but does he want to be remembered as a bitter dick too?
'Duty of care' Jim - what a f**king pedant
He completely revolutionised tactics in gaelic football and had the tactical wherewithal and strength of personality to set a team up ultra defensively by playing zonal at the back. He didn't care one bit what anybody thought of him and probably still doesn't as it brought him an AI title that they would not have won if playing conventionally. The criticism only bolstered him and created a siege mentality that he seems to need. It was complete outside the box thinking at the time and very gutsy but don't pretend that it didn't set gaelic football back as a spectacle and which has never really recovered since then.
I don't think it was his aim to be ultra defensive because of some form of idealism, it was just that did whatever he thought was required to give them the best possible chance at winning.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 18, 2024, 01:06:06 PMHe completely revolutionised tactics in gaelic football and had the tactical wherewithal and strength of personality to set a team up ultra defensively by playing zonal at the back. He didn't care one bit what anybody thought of him and probably still doesn't as it brought him an AI title that they would not have won if playing conventionally. The criticism only bolstered him and created a siege mentality that he seems to need. It was complete outside the box thinking at the time and very gutsy but don't pretend that it didn't set gaelic football back as a spectacle and which has never really recovered since then.
I don't think it was his aim to be ultra defensive because of some form of idealism, it was just that did whatever he thought was required to give them the best possible chance at winning.
Managers do whatever they have to do to win.
Look at Ancelotti last night; they sat back in the lowest of low blocks played on the break and looked to frustrate City and took their chances on a penalty shootout.
Should we Chastise Ancellotti in the same fashion?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 01:13:10 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 18, 2024, 01:06:06 PMHe completely revolutionised tactics in gaelic football and had the tactical wherewithal and strength of personality to set a team up ultra defensively by playing zonal at the back. He didn't care one bit what anybody thought of him and probably still doesn't as it brought him an AI title that they would not have won if playing conventionally. The criticism only bolstered him and created a siege mentality that he seems to need. It was complete outside the box thinking at the time and very gutsy but don't pretend that it didn't set gaelic football back as a spectacle and which has never really recovered since then.
I don't think it was his aim to be ultra defensive because of some form of idealism, it was just that did whatever he thought was required to give them the best possible chance at winning.
Managers do whatever they have to do to win.
Look at Ancelotti last night; they sat back in the lowest of low blocks played on the break and looked to frustrate City and took their chances on a penalty shootout.
Should we Chastise Ancellotti in the same fashion?
I'm not chastising him at all, he just done what he felt he had to do to win. A managers job is to devise a system of play that gets the best out of the players which he has at his disposal. McGuinness achieved that in his first spell but he will struggle to do it this time around since any tactical advantage will be greatly reduced due to the emphasis now put on data and analytics.
I wouldn't blame him for the state of the gaelic football today but its fairly clear 13 years later that he set the wheels in motion for the spectacle we now have today.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 01:13:10 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 18, 2024, 01:06:06 PMHe completely revolutionised tactics in gaelic football and had the tactical wherewithal and strength of personality to set a team up ultra defensively by playing zonal at the back. He didn't care one bit what anybody thought of him and probably still doesn't as it brought him an AI title that they would not have won if playing conventionally. The criticism only bolstered him and created a siege mentality that he seems to need. It was complete outside the box thinking at the time and very gutsy but don't pretend that it didn't set gaelic football back as a spectacle and which has never really recovered since then.
I don't think it was his aim to be ultra defensive because of some form of idealism, it was just that did whatever he thought was required to give them the best possible chance at winning.
Managers do whatever they have to do to win.
Look at Ancelotti last night; they sat back in the lowest of low blocks played on the break and looked to frustrate City and took their chances on a penalty shootout.
Should we Chastise Ancellotti in the same fashion?
Ah FFS, don't mention penalties again. Tones head will explode.
Hear City looking a replay with Madrid as penalties don't count lol
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 18, 2024, 02:24:49 PMHear City looking a replay with Madrid as penalties don't count lol
theyre saying they didnt actually lose
See Gough ref for Saturday, was he not off the pace abit on the original ref fitness test or was that Coldrick.? Didn't think he kept up well in the Roscommon game in the league, and that wasn't a high paced game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 18, 2024, 03:30:02 PMSee Gough ref for Saturday, was he not off the pace abit on the original ref fitness test or was that Coldrick.? Didn't think he kept up well in the Roscommon game in the league, and that wasn't a high paced game.
Yup, he was one of inter country refs from a panel of 42 who failed fitness tests earlier in the year.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on April 18, 2024, 03:50:27 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 18, 2024, 03:30:02 PMSee Gough ref for Saturday, was he not off the pace abit on the original ref fitness test or was that Coldrick.? Didn't think he kept up well in the Roscommon game in the league, and that wasn't a high paced game.
Yup, he was one of inter country refs from a panel of 42 who failed fitness tests earlier in the year.
Hopefully he's stayed off the pork pies since then!
It's gets worse for Tyrone as it now transpires that in the history of Ulster GAA, Tyrone have NEVER beaten Cavan in Breffni Park.
Can't see the record being broken this weekend as Tyrone misery continues.
Omens are okay... Tyrone won 2001 All Ireland minor final in Breffini Park beating Dublin in a replay... Joe McMahon was playing and on backroom team now so knows the ground well... h'up
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/terrific-tyrone-make-no-mistake/26069581.html
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 18, 2024, 06:17:28 PMOmens are okay... Tyrone won 2001 All Ireland minor final in Breffini Park beating Dublin in a replay... Joe McMahon was playing and on backroom team now so knows the ground well... h'up
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/terrific-tyrone-make-no-mistake/26069581.html
That doesn't count.
Quote from: Itchy on April 18, 2024, 06:25:39 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 18, 2024, 06:17:28 PMOmens are okay... Tyrone won 2001 All Ireland minor final in Breffini Park beating Dublin in a replay... Joe McMahon was playing and on backroom team now so knows the ground well... h'up
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/terrific-tyrone-make-no-mistake/26069581.html
That doesn't count.
😆
Thinking about how the lack of interest in games here reflect the general apathy in the community towards football. Used to be you'd have a thread for each of the big games here with multiple pages of craic, analysis and bickering. Now we've one amalgamated thread for all of ulster with very little interest or posts. You'll never see a 100page + thread of tyrone v Armagh banter ever again.
Came across this on YouTube the other day...
https://youtu.be/arMAgKKhltk?si=VJ9e3OEDG69jXF9u
It's a copy of the Sam 2005 dvd with extended highlights throughout that summer. Forgot how good these dvds were. What really stands out for me, outside of the crowds and quality of the football, was the general atmosphere in the games. The type of football played generated and sustained an almost constant noise throughout the match. The number of contests for the ball was significantly higher and its contests that generate that edge of the seat excitement that in turn created a cauldron of atmosphere and spectacle.
Youll still see unreal skills in today's game, mindblowing points and class goals. However, these are small peaks amongst the dredge we have to watch for 80% of the game. Watching games these days and I can't help but notice the level of general chat in the stands, people on phones and flatness. You'll hardly ever hear a chant outside of the odd come on you blues.
I've wrote this post as I've just completed the GAA games survey and hope that something will be found to return our game to its former glory. To me that is moving away from the obsession with possession based football and finding away to create more opportunities for contests in attack, midfield and forwards. Or maybe I'm a grumpy f**ker and will just have to accept transitions, 20+ passes back to the keeper and 30 players inside a 45 multiple times a game. What a load of shite.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 18, 2024, 07:17:32 PMThinking about how the lack of interest in games here reflect the general apathy in the community towards football. Used to be you'd have a thread for each of the big games here with multiple pages of craic, analysis and bickering. Now we've one amalgamated thread for all of ulster with very little interest or posts. You'll never see a 100page + thread of tyrone v Armagh banter ever again.
Armagh and Tyrone had 31,000 in their first round game in Clones in 2002 and only a few hundred less at the replay. Then in 2003 they had a sub forum, not a thread, for the final.
Tyrone seem to have lost interest after 4 All Irelands, Armagh should be safe until 2027.
that quarter final in 2005 beetween mayo and kerry did know one talk about the kit clash at the time.
Cavan team named.
No Killian Clarke, McLoughlin or McVeety in starting 15.
Would love to see Cavan win this but unfortunately I think Tyrone will win this by 8-10 points. Cavan struggle to score from open play and will struggle to keep all the Tyrone fires out.
Ie. Canavan, McCurry, McShane if he back on form.
Derry going with the same team as the league final.
No real surprise didn't think they'd risk McKinless from the start and he's a great impact sub.
No Murphy on the bench??
Quote from: screenexile on April 18, 2024, 11:32:54 PMDerry going with the same team as the league final.
No real surprise didn't think they'd risk McKinless from the start and he's a great impact sub.
No Murphy on the bench??
Can changes be made to the 26? Harte normally names his subs in alphabetical order. Doherty is out of place & Murphy would fit in at 25 alphabetically.
Quote from: cornerback on April 18, 2024, 11:42:08 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 18, 2024, 11:32:54 PMDerry going with the same team as the league final.
No real surprise didn't think they'd risk McKinless from the start and he's a great impact sub.
No Murphy on the bench??
Can changes be made to the 26? Harte normally names his subs in alphabetical order. Doherty is out of place & Murphy would fit in at 25 alphabetically.
Yeah I think you name 4 lads in reserve who don't appear on programme but can come in last minute.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 18, 2024, 07:17:32 PMThinking about how the lack of interest in games here reflect the general apathy in the community towards football. Used to be you'd have a thread for each of the big games here with multiple pages of craic, analysis and bickering. Now we've one amalgamated thread for all of ulster with very little interest or posts. You'll never see a 100page + thread of tyrone v Armagh banter ever again.
Came across this on YouTube the other day...
https://youtu.be/arMAgKKhltk?si=VJ9e3OEDG69jXF9u
It's a copy of the Sam 2005 dvd with extended highlights throughout that summer. Forgot how good these dvds were. What really stands out for me, outside of the crowds and quality of the football, was the general atmosphere in the games. The type of football played generated and sustained an almost constant noise throughout the match. The number of contests for the ball was significantly higher and its contests that generate that edge of the seat excitement that in turn created a cauldron of atmosphere and spectacle.
Youll still see unreal skills in today's game, mindblowing points and class goals. However, these are small peaks amongst the dredge we have to watch for 80% of the game. Watching games these days and I can't help but notice the level of general chat in the stands, people on phones and flatness. You'll hardly ever hear a chant outside of the odd come on you blues.
I've wrote this post as I've just completed the GAA games survey and hope that something will be found to return our game to its former glory. To me that is moving away from the obsession with possession based football and finding away to create more opportunities for contests in attack, midfield and forwards. Or maybe I'm a grumpy f**ker and will just have to accept transitions, 20+ passes back to the keeper and 30 players inside a 45 multiple times a game. What a load of shite.
The only way you can return to those days is a straight knockout from the start. It won't happen. 20 years ago I'd have sleepless nights about losing to Cavan. Now, whatever, still a lock a group games.
The GAA may be amateur but its money-making machine is as professional as the NFL in the States.
Also you can't have lads put in 5 months of training for just one big game!
Quote from: cornerback on April 18, 2024, 11:42:08 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 18, 2024, 11:32:54 PMDerry going with the same team as the league final.
No real surprise didn't think they'd risk McKinless from the start and he's a great impact sub.
No Murphy on the bench??
Can changes be made to the 26? Harte normally names his subs in alphabetical order. Doherty is out of place & Murphy would fit in at 25 alphabetically.
Murphy injured and not fit to be named apparently!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2024, 11:52:49 PMQuote from: cornerback on April 18, 2024, 11:42:08 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 18, 2024, 11:32:54 PMDerry going with the same team as the league final.
No real surprise didn't think they'd risk McKinless from the start and he's a great impact sub.
No Murphy on the bench??
Can changes be made to the 26? Harte normally names his subs in alphabetical order. Doherty is out of place & Murphy would fit in at 25 alphabetically.
Yeah I think you name 4 lads in reserve who don't appear on programme but can come in last minute.
Is that right? I thought that no changes could be made to the 26? The whole team naming gaa culture is a nonsense with these multiple changes come throw-in, but I thought that at least it had been agreed no changes could be made outside the 26 named.
Quote from: onefineday on April 19, 2024, 01:44:05 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2024, 11:52:49 PMQuote from: cornerback on April 18, 2024, 11:42:08 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 18, 2024, 11:32:54 PMDerry going with the same team as the league final.
No real surprise didn't think they'd risk McKinless from the start and he's a great impact sub.
No Murphy on the bench??
Can changes be made to the 26? Harte normally names his subs in alphabetical order. Doherty is out of place & Murphy would fit in at 25 alphabetically.
Yeah I think you name 4 lads in reserve who don't appear on programme but can come in last minute.
Is that right? I thought that no changes could be made to the 26? The whole team naming gaa culture is a nonsense with these multiple changes come throw-in, but I thought that at least it had been agreed no changes could be made outside the 26 named.
4 standbys who can be brought in to replace any of the 26 named. But can only have 26 on the day.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2024, 12:05:06 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on April 18, 2024, 07:17:32 PMThinking about how the lack of interest in games here reflect the general apathy in the community towards football. Used to be you'd have a thread for each of the big games here with multiple pages of craic, analysis and bickering. Now we've one amalgamated thread for all of ulster with very little interest or posts. You'll never see a 100page + thread of tyrone v Armagh banter ever again.
Came across this on YouTube the other day...
https://youtu.be/arMAgKKhltk?si=VJ9e3OEDG69jXF9u
It's a copy of the Sam 2005 dvd with extended highlights throughout that summer. Forgot how good these dvds were. What really stands out for me, outside of the crowds and quality of the football, was the general atmosphere in the games. The type of football played generated and sustained an almost constant noise throughout the match. The number of contests for the ball was significantly higher and its contests that generate that edge of the seat excitement that in turn created a cauldron of atmosphere and spectacle.
Youll still see unreal skills in today's game, mindblowing points and class goals. However, these are small peaks amongst the dredge we have to watch for 80% of the game. Watching games these days and I can't help but notice the level of general chat in the stands, people on phones and flatness. You'll hardly ever hear a chant outside of the odd come on you blues.
I've wrote this post as I've just completed the GAA games survey and hope that something will be found to return our game to its former glory. To me that is moving away from the obsession with possession based football and finding away to create more opportunities for contests in attack, midfield and forwards. Or maybe I'm a grumpy f**ker and will just have to accept transitions, 20+ passes back to the keeper and 30 players inside a 45 multiple times a game. What a load of shite.
The only way you can return to those days is a straight knockout from the start. It won't happen. 20 years ago I'd have sleepless nights about losing to Cavan. Now, whatever, still a lock a group games.
The GAA may be amateur but its money-making machine is as professional as the NFL in the States.
It wasnt straight knockout in those days though. That said I agree with that post. Football is generally a hard watch these days
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 10:23:27 PMCavan team named.
No Killian Clarke, McLoughlin or McVeety in starting 15.
Would love to see Cavan win this but unfortunately I think Tyrone will win this by 8-10 points. Cavan struggle to score from open play and will struggle to keep all the Tyrone fires out.
Ie. Canavan, McCurry, McShane if he back on form.
Yeah only the 3-4 scored from open play last day out. Quite the struggle
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 19, 2024, 08:39:57 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 10:23:27 PMCavan team named.
No Killian Clarke, McLoughlin or McVeety in starting 15.
Would love to see Cavan win this but unfortunately I think Tyrone will win this by 8-10 points. Cavan struggle to score from open play and will struggle to keep all the Tyrone fires out.
Ie. Canavan, McCurry, McShane if he back on form.
Yeah only the 3-4 scored from open play last day out. Quite the struggle
4 points from play is not a great return haha.
3 goals from play however is very good, but the worrying thing is its not a common theme for Cavan to score goals but hopefully that's changing.
How many goals did they score in the league altogether 3 or 4?
Garvan Jones scored more from play in the Fermanagh game v Cavan that any Cavan player scored from pay in all 7 games combined.
So there's definitely an issue with scoring from play for Cavan. But its championship now and trends can go out the window.
Score are scores. Can hardly be criticised for being fouled and having a top free taker.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 19, 2024, 09:21:10 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 19, 2024, 08:39:57 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 10:23:27 PMCavan team named.
No Killian Clarke, McLoughlin or McVeety in starting 15.
Would love to see Cavan win this but unfortunately I think Tyrone will win this by 8-10 points. Cavan struggle to score from open play and will struggle to keep all the Tyrone fires out.
Ie. Canavan, McCurry, McShane if he back on form.
Yeah only the 3-4 scored from open play last day out. Quite the struggle
4 points from play is not a great return haha.
3 goals from play however is very good, but the worrying thing is its not a common theme for Cavan to score goals but hopefully that's changing.
How many goals did they score in the league altogether 3 or 4?
Garavn Jones scored more from play in the Fermanagh game v Cavan that any Cavan player scored from pay in all 7 gmaes combined.
So there's definitely an issue with scoring from play for Cavan. But its championship now and trends can go out the window.
Well it's 7 scores from play in a gale force wind conditions, so it's ok considering that. Some of those goals would be chances that some would take points from, so good we've goals in us anyway.
Wouldn't be too concerned with that Fermanagh League game. We were clearly holding our water for 2 weeks after. They were playing for their lives and we had nothing to play for that day
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 19, 2024, 09:37:47 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 19, 2024, 09:21:10 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 19, 2024, 08:39:57 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 10:23:27 PMCavan team named.
No Killian Clarke, McLoughlin or McVeety in starting 15.
Would love to see Cavan win this but unfortunately I think Tyrone will win this by 8-10 points. Cavan struggle to score from open play and will struggle to keep all the Tyrone fires out.
Ie. Canavan, McCurry, McShane if he back on form.
Yeah only the 3-4 scored from open play last day out. Quite the struggle
4 points from play is not a great return haha.
3 goals from play however is very good, but the worrying thing is its not a common theme for Cavan to score goals but hopefully that's changing.
How many goals did they score in the league altogether 3 or 4?
Garavn Jones scored more from play in the Fermanagh game v Cavan that any Cavan player scored from pay in all 7 gmaes combined.
So there's definitely an issue with scoring from play for Cavan. But its championship now and trends can go out the window.
Well it's 7 scores from play in a gale force wind conditions, so it's ok considering that. Some of those goals would be chances that some would take points from, so good we've goals in us anyway.
Wouldn't be too concerned with that Fermanagh League game. We were clearly holding our water for 2 weeks after. They were playing for their lives and we had nothing to play for that day
I agree on the goals very encouraging to see them go for the juggler instead of fisting over the bar. True on the Fermanagh game aswell but these are just observations I've made i'm not criticizing as it was a great performance the last day despite this; bit of a step up again this weekend but you don't know what your gonna get with Tyrone.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 19, 2024, 09:42:39 AMI agree on the goals very encouraging to see them go for the juggler instead of fisting over the bar. True on the Fermanagh game aswell but these are just observations I've made i'm not criticizing as it was a great performance the last day despite this; bit of a step up again this weekend but you don't know what your gonna get with Tyrone.
That's it alright, we went for those goals while we took our frees when they came. We will need to alright. Think we've a decent chance, and great time to try and catch Tyrone on the hop after we've had a game and they've been waiting since last round of the League. It'll be interesting
Quote from: screenexile on April 18, 2024, 11:32:54 PMDerry going with the same team as the league final.
No real surprise didn't think they'd risk McKinless from the start and he's a great impact sub.
No Murphy on the bench??
Wondered about that myself. Unless he's injured maybe?
It's almost full strength starting lineup with only McKinless missing out. If he's not fully fit, I wouldn't risk him at all at any stage, unless we really need him.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2024, 12:05:06 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on April 18, 2024, 07:17:32 PMThinking about how the lack of interest in games here reflect the general apathy in the community towards football. Used to be you'd have a thread for each of the big games here with multiple pages of craic, analysis and bickering. Now we've one amalgamated thread for all of ulster with very little interest or posts. You'll never see a 100page + thread of tyrone v Armagh banter ever again.
Came across this on YouTube the other day...
https://youtu.be/arMAgKKhltk?si=VJ9e3OEDG69jXF9u
It's a copy of the Sam 2005 dvd with extended highlights throughout that summer. Forgot how good these dvds were. What really stands out for me, outside of the crowds and quality of the football, was the general atmosphere in the games. The type of football played generated and sustained an almost constant noise throughout the match. The number of contests for the ball was significantly higher and its contests that generate that edge of the seat excitement that in turn created a cauldron of atmosphere and spectacle.
Youll still see unreal skills in today's game, mindblowing points and class goals. However, these are small peaks amongst the dredge we have to watch for 80% of the game. Watching games these days and I can't help but notice the level of general chat in the stands, people on phones and flatness. You'll hardly ever hear a chant outside of the odd come on you blues.
I've wrote this post as I've just completed the GAA games survey and hope that something will be found to return our game to its former glory. To me that is moving away from the obsession with possession based football and finding away to create more opportunities for contests in attack, midfield and forwards. Or maybe I'm a grumpy f**ker and will just have to accept transitions, 20+ passes back to the keeper and 30 players inside a 45 multiple times a game. What a load of shite.
The only way you can return to those days is a straight knockout from the start. It won't happen. 20 years ago I'd have sleepless nights about losing to Cavan. Now, whatever, still a lock a group games.
The GAA may be amateur but its money-making machine is as professional as the NFL in the States.
Group stages suck the life out of the championship, I hate them. I think the one extra chance back door system up until the quarter final stage would be much more interesting and would put less pressure on fixture scheduling as well. It's not like those group games are well attended either but there must be extra income generated from TV deals, otherwise I can't see any real upside.
The Preliminary Quarter Final is a balls too, no jeopardy, all about extra games, as you say probably TV rights, get beat in the first round of your Provincial Championship lose 2 matches in group stage and you could still be in a Preliminary Quarter Final , what a load of crap.
And county boards aping this trying to get county players more games with their clubs
Championship structures at intercounty and club level are a bit of a mess
It's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
It's very odd alright. the more it comes to it, the more I'd go back to Championship as straight knockout and expand the League or such to cover games. But there's no doubt that more matches does not equal better Championship. Less is more, and too many games is too many missable games so people start to stay away. If every game meant you had to win, we'd be heading somewhere. Do your provincials and seeding from League or such, but 2 tiers, 16 teams, let them go at it. People would go mental for it
Quote from: Tones on April 19, 2024, 01:15:24 PMThe Preliminary Quarter Final is a balls too, no jeopardy, all about extra games, as you say probably TV rights, get beat in the first round of your Provincial Championship lose 2 matches in group stage and you could still be in a Preliminary Quarter Final , what a load of crap.
Prelim QF was conceived as a result of meaningless games in the final round of the Super 8, its to try and incentivise that final round of group games where the top 2 is already confirmed and bottom 2 is not
Nothing screams its fucked quite like Kerry playing the second tier of Hurling (Joe McDonagh) but aren't allowed to play in the Munster Championship. Long story short, 57 varieties
Quote from: tiempo on April 19, 2024, 01:45:28 PMQuote from: Tones on April 19, 2024, 01:15:24 PMThe Preliminary Quarter Final is a balls too, no jeopardy, all about extra games, as you say probably TV rights, get beat in the first round of your Provincial Championship lose 2 matches in group stage and you could still be in a Preliminary Quarter Final , what a load of crap.
Prelim QF was conceived as a result of meaningless games in the final round of the Super 8, its to try and incentivise that final round of group games where the top 2 is already confirmed and bottom 2 is not
Nothing screams its fucked quite like Kerry playing the second tier of Hurling (Joe McDonagh) but aren't allowed to play in the Munster Championship. Long story short, 57 varieties
Worked well last year in 3 groups none of these games were meaningless!!
Kerry 5–24 – 0–11 Louth
Dublin 3–23 – 0–8 Sligo
Derry 1–19 – 1–13 Clare
Quote from: Tones on April 19, 2024, 01:48:32 PMQuote from: tiempo on April 19, 2024, 01:45:28 PMQuote from: Tones on April 19, 2024, 01:15:24 PMThe Preliminary Quarter Final is a balls too, no jeopardy, all about extra games, as you say probably TV rights, get beat in the first round of your Provincial Championship lose 2 matches in group stage and you could still be in a Preliminary Quarter Final , what a load of crap.
Prelim QF was conceived as a result of meaningless games in the final round of the Super 8, its to try and incentivise that final round of group games where the top 2 is already confirmed and bottom 2 is not
Nothing screams its fucked quite like Kerry playing the second tier of Hurling (Joe McDonagh) but aren't allowed to play in the Munster Championship. Long story short, 57 varieties
Worked well last year in 3 groups none of these games were meaningless!!
Kerry 5–24 – 0–11 Louth
Dublin 3–23 – 0–8 Sligo
Derry 1–19 – 1–13 Clare
Them games you mention still weren't dead rubbers as score difference was massive due to Cork, Mayo and Kerry finishing on 4 points.
It turned out Kildare beat Roscommon so score difference didnt matter there but that was a shock result.
And if Clare beat Derry then Monaghan or Donegal could topped the other group.
There was also serious drama with John Heslin with a free to knock Tyrone out of the championship and a late rally from Armagh resigning Galway to the Prelim Quarter finals.
Was great entertainment that last week especially with all the games at the one time.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 19, 2024, 09:42:39 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 19, 2024, 09:37:47 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 19, 2024, 09:21:10 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 19, 2024, 08:39:57 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 10:23:27 PMCavan team named.
No Killian Clarke, McLoughlin or McVeety in starting 15.
Would love to see Cavan win this but unfortunately I think Tyrone will win this by 8-10 points. Cavan struggle to score from open play and will struggle to keep all the Tyrone fires out.
Ie. Canavan, McCurry, McShane if he back on form.
Yeah only the 3-4 scored from open play last day out. Quite the struggle
4 points from play is not a great return haha.
3 goals from play however is very good, but the worrying thing is its not a common theme for Cavan to score goals but hopefully that's changing.
How many goals did they score in the league altogether 3 or 4?
Garavn Jones scored more from play in the Fermanagh game v Cavan that any Cavan player scored from pay in all 7 gmaes combined.
So there's definitely an issue with scoring from play for Cavan. But its championship now and trends can go out the window.
Well it's 7 scores from play in a gale force wind conditions, so it's ok considering that. Some of those goals would be chances that some would take points from, so good we've goals in us anyway.
Wouldn't be too concerned with that Fermanagh League game. We were clearly holding our water for 2 weeks after. They were playing for their lives and we had nothing to play for that day
I agree on the goals very encouraging to see themgo for the juggler instead of fisting over the bar. True on the Fermanagh game aswell but these are just observations I've made i'm not criticizing as it was a great performance the last day despite this; bit of a step up again this weekend but you don't know what your gonna get with Tyrone.
When up against clowns you should go for the juggler.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
Well considering 85% approx of money generated filters down to the clubs, we all win?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
How much do the spectators get paid>?
I don't want group games at all but if you have then you need to prelim qf so that teams that lose their first 2 games have something to play for.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 19, 2024, 02:28:37 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
Well considering 85% approx of money generated filters down to the clubs, we all win?
Where's that figure coming from?
HQ is clearly contributing to player injury insurance. And it pays for the IT infrastructure (Foireann).
But I did a 5 year stretch as a treasurer until recently. And i don't actually recall a direct benefit coming from HQ during that time.
Was I filling in the wrong forms?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 03:19:46 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 19, 2024, 02:28:37 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
Well considering 85% approx of money generated filters down to the clubs, we all win?
Where's that figure coming from?
HQ is clearly contributing to player injury insurance. And it pays for the IT infrastructure (Foireann).
But I did a 5 year stretch as a treasurer until recently. And i don't actually recall a direct benefit coming from HQ during that time.
Was I filling in the wrong forms?
Jarlath Burns interview the other day he said 83cent/penny of every pound/euro the gaa make goes back to clubs. No idea if thats accurate or where the money is seen!
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 03:19:46 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 19, 2024, 02:28:37 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
Well considering 85% approx of money generated filters down to the clubs, we all win?
Where's that figure coming from?
HQ is clearly contributing to player injury insurance. And it pays for the IT infrastructure (Foireann).
But I did a 5 year stretch as a treasurer until recently. And i don't actually recall a direct benefit coming from HQ during that time.
Was I filling in the wrong forms?
Jarly snr in an interview a week or two ago
Ahh it's just the "Nordies against change" bellyaching again.
The move from 21 aside to 17 aside was the start of the slippery slope I tell ya.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2024, 04:21:25 PMAhh it's just the "Nordies against change" bellyaching again.
The move from 21 aside to 17 aside was the start of the slippery slope I tell ya.
I am one "Nordie" who has no issue with change - but change the things that are not working.
Ulster Championship works - so why change it? (Antrim/Fermanagh might disagree granted)
Change what needs to be changed in other provinces to improve their championship.
Personally I don't like the group stages and didn't like the Super 8s.
Revert to back door maybe, but like I've said before, there's no magic solution for it all.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2024, 04:21:25 PMAhh it's just the "Nordies against change" bellyaching again.
The move from 21 aside to 17 aside was the start of the slippery slope I tell ya.
It has been zero days since the Freestarters were last at it
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 19, 2024, 04:01:46 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 03:19:46 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 19, 2024, 02:28:37 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 01:22:29 PMIt's odd isn't it?
Every single last person involved in sport knows that protracted knockout competitions are a steaming pile of dung until the element of jeopardy arrives.
And yet all around Ireland, all around the world, we keep introducing and extending these formats.
Other sports can at least use professionalism and a need for paying spectators as their excuse.
We cannot.
Well considering 85% approx of money generated filters down to the clubs, we all win?
Where's that figure coming from?
HQ is clearly contributing to player injury insurance. And it pays for the IT infrastructure (Foireann).
But I did a 5 year stretch as a treasurer until recently. And i don't actually recall a direct benefit coming from HQ during that time.
Was I filling in the wrong forms?
Jarlath Burns interview the other day he said 83cent/penny of every pound/euro the gaa make goes back to clubs. No idea if thats accurate or where the money is seen!
I would say that's a steaming pile of dung. I don't remember our club getting anything from GAA so maybe Jarlath can elaborate. Even on grants its all from government
Not sure how you improve the Championships in the other Provinces...I presume you mean Leinster and Munster? As we Westies aren't doing too bad and hopefully Sligo on the rise.
Munster has 5 Hurley Counties so Kerry will usually saunter through but get a challenge from occasionally good Cork teams.
Only issue is which will come first Kerry's 100th or Cork's 50th.
Leinster is 3 training spins for Dublin as they chase their 19th in 20 years.....
Virtually all team sports have group and knock out stages so good to see the GAA following suit.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2024, 05:05:22 PMNot sure how you improve the Championships in the other Provinces...I presume you mean Leinster and Munster? As we Westies aren't doing too bad and hopefully Sligo on the rise.
Munster has 5 Hurley Counties so Kerry will usually saunter through but get a challenge from occasionally good Cork teams.
Only issue is which will come first Kerry's 100th or Cork's 50th.
Leinster is 3 training spins for Dublin as they chase their 19th in 20 years.....
Virtually all team sports have group and knock out stages so good to see the GAA following suit.
Other Leinster counties are a disgrace so no point giving out about Dublin until their houses are in order. Cork if they get the finger out can challenge Kerry.
having only two teams that can realistically win a province is still not good enough imo if the munster switch beetween cork and kerry each year it still be boring.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 20, 2024, 02:19:09 AMhaving only two teams that can realistically win a province is still not good enough imo if the munster switch beetween cork and kerry each year it still be boring.
Well its better than only Kerry. Given football is the poor relation in most of Munster it's what you're going to get. Look at soccer. For the last 30 years it's been United+1 with a realistic chance or else City+1 more recently.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 19, 2024, 03:19:00 PMI don't want group games at all but if you have then you need to prelim qf so that teams that lose their first 2 games have something to play for.
Talk about rewarding failure,if you lose your first two games in a 3 game format don't let door hit you on the way out. This is the issue one of 3 counties are going win Sam but give the rest loads of game to give them a warm fuzzy feeling.
Quote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 09:47:57 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 19, 2024, 03:19:00 PMI don't want group games at all but if you have then you need to prelim qf so that teams that lose their first 2 games have something to play for.
Talk about rewarding failure,if you lose your first two games in a 3 game format don't let door hit you on the way out. This is the issue one of 3 counties are going win Sam but give the rest loads of game to give them a warm fuzzy feeling.
You're missing the point. It's to stop dead rubbers. No good if theres a team with nothing to play for on the last day. Surely you can work that out.
Maybe after the provincials the 16 Sam teams go into a knock out championship with there being a back door for the first two rounds, Armagh used to do it that way and i thought it worked well. Do the same for the Tailteann.
Thay would make every game meaningful.
You'd have to win 2 games to get to the Quarter Finals.
Lose 2 and you're out.
Then knock out from the Quarters as usual (apart from the years of the "Super 8s" as the media wrongly called the Qtr Finals series)
Anyway back on topic wins for Tytone and Derry I presume??
Dead rubbers every game with Dublin in Lenister is a dead rubber same with Kerry in Munster the games still go ahead. The league has dead rubbers all over it in the last week the games are still played, the issue is 16 teams with at least 5 not good enough to be there so why are we rewarding failure, oh yes more money for the GAA.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2024, 10:15:36 AMThay would make every game meaningful.
You'd have to win 2 games to get to the Quarter Finals.
Lose 2 and you're out.
Then knock out from the Quarters as usual (apart from the years of the "Super 8s" as the media wrongly called the Qtr Finals series)
Anyway back on topic wins for Tytone and Derry I presume??
Yeah not a fan of group games, keep the league to the league imo.
Can't call either game tbh, depends which Tyrone shows up and in the other I don't think Derry are as far ahead as people think. That Donegal are a serious side. I'll go for Cavan and Donegal wins.
Can't see pass Tyrone, given the occasion Derry and Donegal will be tight for 50 minutes with Derry pulling away.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2024, 10:15:36 AMThay would make every game meaningful.
You'd have to win 2 games to get to the Quarter Finals.
Lose 2 and you're out.
Then knock out from the Quarters as usual (apart from the years of the "Super 8s" as the media wrongly called the Qtr Finals series)
Anyway back on topic wins for Tytone and Derry I presume??
Yes
I'm not sure about you men but I haven't been as excited about an Ulster championship game in a long time as I am about Donegal v Derry.
Sun is shining a packed house in Celtic Park what more could you want
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 20, 2024, 11:01:41 AMI'm not sure about you men but I haven't been as excited about an Ulster championship game in a long time as I am about Donegal v Derry.
Sun is shining a packed house in Celtic Park what more could you want
Wonder will be be cagey and packed defense or will both teams go for it?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 11:23:09 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 20, 2024, 11:01:41 AMI'm not sure about you men but I haven't been as excited about an Ulster championship game in a long time as I am about Donegal v Derry.
Sun is shining a packed house in Celtic Park what more could you want
Wonder will be be cagey and packed defense or will both teams go for it?
Hopefully not Donegal will need to bring something different.
I have the feeling Jim will have something up his sleeve but narrative around the place is that the games moved on too much to have anything different 😂
Will find out in a few hours time. Game might have came a round too early for Donegal considering their injuries but we'll see.
Would like to see both teams have a strong tilt at the all ireland no matter the result today.
I notice the Irish News journalists keep referring to Donegal as 'Tir Conaill'. The funny thing about Celtic Park is that it was in Tir Conaill/County Donegal at the time of the plantations. It was also in the Cenel Eoghain before that but the Cenel Conaill eventually won Inishowen in battle.
County Derry was formed when Derry (city) and South Derry (North East Tyrone) was added to County Coleraine (North Derry).
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on April 20, 2024, 12:38:36 PMI notice the Irish News journalists keep referring to Donegal as 'Tir Conaill'. The funny thing about Celtic Park is that it was in Tir Conaill/County Donegal at the time of the plantations. It was also in the Cenel Eoghain before that but the Cenel Conaill eventually won Inishowen in battle.
County Derry was formed when Derry (city) and South Derry (North East Tyrone) was added to County Coleraine (North Derry).
Interesting. Have you sent links to this info?
Also why when driving through the north does it not let you know when crossing county boundaries. What's this Derry strabane Omagh fermanagh stuff.
Excuse my ignorance.
Council areas.
Counties don't exist as local government areas in the 6.
Feels like too many writing Donegal off. Be closer than a lot think
Not sure if there's a Munster championship thread.
But alot to like about this Cork side.
They might be well bet yet considering how brave they are.
But serious potential in this side.
Clifford getting frees just because he's Clifford.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 04:37:09 PMClifford getting frees just because he's Clifford.
Yeah that last one was a free out.
He had a nightmare first 20.
Could change quick though
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 20, 2024, 04:35:07 PMNot sure if there's a Munster championship thread.
But alot to like about this Cork side.
They might be well bet yet considering how brave they are.
But serious potential in this side.
Yes they are decent, we only bet them by 1 point.
Donegal by 2.
Has Harte ever beaten McGuinness in a senior championship game?
What was written on the pitch?
Looks like it could be a classic!! 😳
Very patient play from Derry.
Good score from McHugh.
Good start to this game 0-3 each and Donegal didn't take a good goal chance.
And people want rid of this. Get to f**k
McHugh rolling back the years.
Goal for Donegal, it was coming and Derry keeper eventually caught out 1-4 to 0-3
That keeper is a bomb scare. Go on Donegal
Lynch in no panic to get back into his goal. Out for a wee stroll in the park there.
Roaming keeper punished again.
Quote from: red hander on April 20, 2024, 06:35:25 PMThat keeper is a bomb scare. Go on Donegal
he can save a penalty though!
deserves them right for doing that fly keeper nonsense
Two substitutions before half time... Oh dear
Quote from: Eire90 on April 20, 2024, 06:39:20 PMdeserves them right for doing that fly keeper nonsense
Why is it nonsense?
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 06:46:17 PMQuote from: Eire90 on April 20, 2024, 06:39:20 PMdeserves them right for doing that fly keeper nonsense
Why is it nonsense?
it needs to provide more scores than it concedes?
Soft free there for Donegal
Enjoyable half of football and Donegal with a deserved lead. Derry 0-9 Donegal 1-7
Very enjoyable game. Donegal are a horrible team to play against and Derry will hardly be surprised by that.
Has Glass touched leather?
With the Munster game I never thought for a second Cork would hold out, but Donegal can certainly win this.
Very watchable, great contest, a Jimmy Smyth commentary would be the cherry on top for an armchair observer
I think we've defended terribly and haven't played particularly well but still only a point in it.
We've been a good second half team so far this year we'll need it now!!
Meant to say no real surprises from Donegal they've brought intensity and a sound defensive structure but nothing you wouldn't have foreseen beforehand!
Holy god!
Derry keeper caught out for another goal. 2-7 to 0-9
WTF is the Derry goalie at?
Been waiting for it for 2 years, he's always gave that ropey vibe
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 06:46:17 PMQuote from: Eire90 on April 20, 2024, 06:39:20 PMdeserves them right for doing that fly keeper nonsense
Why is it nonsense?
It's not nonsense with a Morgan type player. Lynch has been an accident waiting to happen.
I know Oran will probably get a lot of flak personally but I'm sure he's doing exactly what Harte has asked him to do.
keeper caught out again will derry learn
Will be some comeback from here!
Quote from: square_ball on April 20, 2024, 07:17:46 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 06:46:17 PMQuote from: Eire90 on April 20, 2024, 06:39:20 PMdeserves them right for doing that fly keeper nonsense
Why is it nonsense?
It's not nonsense with a Morgan type player. Lynch has been an accident waiting to happen.
Lol I regret asking the question now ;D
Penalty for Donegal.
That was outside!!
Brilliant Donegal move for the penalty... Even if it was outside the box
That isn't a penalty.
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2024, 07:24:12 PMThat was outside!!
Goal scoring opportunity doesn't have to be inside. 3-8 to 0-10
What's the black card for?
Game over!
Derry need a goal and Donegal don't look like conceding one. Fair play to Donegal!
With was the black for?
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2024, 07:25:04 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2024, 07:24:12 PMThat was outside!!
Goal scoring opportunity doesn't have to be inside. 3-8 to 0-10
Has to be a black card offence for that.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2024, 07:25:04 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2024, 07:24:12 PMThat was outside!!
Goal scoring opportunity doesn't have to be inside. 3-8 to 0-10
Has to be a black card for the offender for that rule to come into play
Goal scoring opportunity so once its inside 21 its a pen. Thought it should be black under new rule?
David all about me Gough has to give a black card for something after.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 07:26:47 PMGoal scoring opportunity so once its inside 21 its a pen. Thought it should be black under new rule?
David all about me Gough has to give a black card for something after.
Wasn't a black card foul so Gough must have just thought contact was in the box
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 07:26:47 PMGoal scoring opportunity so once its inside 21 its a pen. Thought it should be black under new rule?
David all about me Gough has to give a black card for something after.
Was it not a black as keeper on line?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 07:26:47 PMGoal scoring opportunity so once its inside 21 its a pen. Thought it should be black under new rule?
David all about me Gough has to give a black card for something after.
Big decision !!!
Should have been black card for Derry but Donegal end up getting it !
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 07:26:47 PMGoal scoring opportunity so once its inside 21 its a pen. Thought it should be black under new rule?
David all about me Gough has to give a black card for something after.
No. It must be a black card offence which denies a goal scoring opportunity.
It wasn't a black card offence.
Black card wasn't given. Gough thought it was inside.
Looked like the Donegal black was for mouthing, that's the hand gesture Gough was making. Isnt foul and abusive language a black card? Think I remember gough giving one against tyrone a year or 2 ago.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2024, 07:25:04 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2024, 07:24:12 PMThat was outside!!
Goal scoring opportunity doesn't have to be inside. 3-8 to 0-10
Should it be a black card then?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 20, 2024, 07:30:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 07:26:47 PMGoal scoring opportunity so once its inside 21 its a pen. Thought it should be black under new rule?
David all about me Gough has to give a black card for something after.
No. It must be a black card offence which denies a goal scoring opportunity.
It wasn't a black card offence.
Black card wasn't given. Gough thought it was inside.
Correct.
Why did Donegal get a black?
Quote from: Gael85 on April 20, 2024, 07:30:29 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2024, 07:25:04 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2024, 07:24:12 PMThat was outside!!
Goal scoring opportunity doesn't have to be inside. 3-8 to 0-10
Should it be a black card then?
No. The denial of goal scoring chance isn't an automatic black card offence. For this rule to take effect the foul itself must be a black card offence which the derry defender didn't commit
At least this nonsense of Derry being all ireland contenders can settle down for a while.
Gough thinking its his job to keep it tight / interesting
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 07:31:44 PMAt least this nonsense of Derry being all ireland contenders can settle down for a while.
Doesn't Harte likes to win the All Ireland after getting knocked out of Ulster?
That was a very soft penalty, I thought. The Derry man barely wiped his hands on the Donegal fella. Reflexive refereeing there.
Is it pot 3 Derry go into now?
60 minutes to played Derry 0-13 Donegal 3-8
Badly needed score for Donegal helped by Gough.
Lynch is a liability.
Clown at it again. Hilarious
A 4th goal for Donegal. Derry keeper on walk about again. 4-9 to 0-13
Quote from: Gael85 on April 20, 2024, 07:37:43 PMIs it pot 3 Derry go into now?
If they lose. Provincial winner pot 1 and losing finalist pot 2.
Mickey Harte outwitted again. Great to see.
Feck sake. Goalie caught for 3 goals. Shocking.
Poor Mickey didn't say enough prayers this week.
Front foot football is class. Fair play Donegal.
Quote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:41:16 PMLynch is a liability.
He's hardly doing it off his own bat. Management need questioned on that.
Youse can keep Mickey Harte for as long as you want.
Wtf is Mickey letting the keeper stay out there?? He's been unable to do that role for a long time and has been a disaster waiting to happen.
Sam is for the hills.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 20, 2024, 07:43:04 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:41:16 PMLynch is a liability.
He's hardly doing it off his own bat. Management need questioned on that.
Surely if he'd a brain in his head after being caught once he wouldnt do it again.
Great to see. Harte outfoxed by McGuiness again
This is hilarious.
Never a free there
anyone bet on Donegal+9?
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 07:45:15 PMThis is hilarious.
Donegal won't do as well against Cavan.
Stop the killing indeed.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 20, 2024, 07:43:04 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:41:16 PMLynch is a liability.
He's hardly doing it off his own bat. Management need questioned on that.
Catch yourself on, complete clown even a dog wouldn't get burned twice in the same fire.
How does your star forward end up in a 2 on 1 situation conceding a last ditch free on his own 45 when Derry need a goal?
Where are the boys that said McGuinness couldn't possibly have anything up his sleeve.
Handing the soft goals to Donegal aside, Derry shooting has been junior standard to really cut off any sort of developing comeback. They've way more in them than this, surely?
Fair play Donegal though. Full of the fire.
Quote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:46:33 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 20, 2024, 07:43:04 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:41:16 PMLynch is a liability.
He's hardly doing it off his own bat. Management need questioned on that.
Catch yourself on, complete clown even a dog wouldn't get burned twice in the same fire.
If you believe that isn't happening under instruction then it is you that needs to catch yourself on.
kerry and derry both woeful
Will Mickey go back into his shell in all ireland series now?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 20, 2024, 07:48:27 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:46:33 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 20, 2024, 07:43:04 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:41:16 PMLynch is a liability.
He's hardly doing it off his own bat. Management need questioned on that.
Catch yourself on, complete clown even a dog wouldn't get burned twice in the same fire.
If you believe that isn't happening under instruction then it is you that needs to catch yourself on.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 20, 2024, 07:47:20 PMWhere are the boys that said McGuinness couldn't possibly have anything up his sleeve.
Kicking the ball into and empty net? Drop men back and break at pace? I'm no tactical genius but i could do that.
Brolly is going to have a field day now
Jimmy's winning matches. FT Derry 0-17 Donegal 4-11.
Big dose of reality for the One Sams. Jimmy had them sussed. Looking forward to the Brolly meltdown over Harte. 😂
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 20, 2024, 07:48:27 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:46:33 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 20, 2024, 07:43:04 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 07:41:16 PMLynch is a liability.
He's hardly doing it off his own bat. Management need questioned on that.
Catch yourself on, complete clown even a dog wouldn't get burned twice in the same fire.
If you believe that isn't happening under instruction then it is you that needs to catch yourself on.
Has he no thought process himself,least Derry get a nice break now, roll on Sam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjQrnImT_k
Lets get the band back together
Penalty Kick Champs out
Maybe they figured out how not to try?
The Glen lads will finally get a break now won't they? they looked gassed out there today.
Lynch was the only Derry wan to do 3 in a row.
Donegal's day for sure. Were the better team on the evening.
But this day will soon be forgotten. Things move on. Derry will re-group and Donegal will move on. One game doesn't make a summer.
Derry will move on and are still a top team.
Are Donegal genuine all Ireland contenders?
Quote from: statto on April 20, 2024, 08:01:36 PMAre Donegal genuine all Ireland contenders?
Jimmy talking Donegal down after that match saying Ulster is their focus and even reaching a final will be progress. He reckons Derry will have say in the All Ireland series, harder route for them now as 3rd seed in the group.
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2024, 08:00:18 PMDonegal's day for sure. Were the better team on the evening.
But this day will soon be forgotten. Things move on. Derry will re-group and Donegal will move on. One game doesn't make a summer.
Derry will move on and are still a top team.
That also counts for the League Final. People on here were losing the run of themselves about a game Derry could not see out twice.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2024, 08:05:14 PMQuote from: statto on April 20, 2024, 08:01:36 PMAre Donegal genuine all Ireland contenders?
Jimmy talking Donegal down after that match saying Ulster is their focus and even reaching a final will be progress. He reckons Derry will have say in the All Ireland series, harder route for them now as 3rd seed in the group.
Derry could end up in a group with Dublin and Donegal!
Always good days and bad days supporting Derry. Better team won. Game won and lost on the line; McGuinness far cleverer than Harte.
Congratulations to Dun na nGall, even if it's just for J70 who seems like an all-round good guy.
What's the point in winning 3 Ulsters in a row?
Plenty of time now to hit the Sam Maguire series running.
We'll see ye again in a few weeks lads! ;)
In all fairness the match shows up a number of issues for Derry. Lynch pressing kickouts is a no from now on and we need to get back to our meagre defensive system.
The biggest worry is we got absolutely cleaned at midfield on 50/50 balls. Basically they did to us what we did to Dublin.
The flaws are glaring and should be easy fixed so while I'm not happy with today I think we can turn it around.
Fair play to Donegal they had a plan defensively and went aggressively after long kickouts and knew we were vulnerable if we lost the ball there. I was at the Roscommon game and they had 2-3 chances to do the same and I thought Dublin would have exploited it. Fair play to Donegal they were able to.
Important few weeks ahead!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 20, 2024, 08:08:14 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 20, 2024, 08:00:18 PMDonegal's day for sure. Were the better team on the evening.
But this day will soon be forgotten. Things move on. Derry will re-group and Donegal will move on. One game doesn't make a summer.
Derry will move on and are still a top team.
That also counts for the League Final. People on here were losing the run of themselves about a game Derry could not see out twice.
Who are these people? I didn't see anybody from Derry do that!
When was Derry's training camp?
Very enjoyable game. Result not overly important in the big scheme, both will be in the last 8 when the big cup is on the line.
Lynch does that in every game (as do some others) so big kudos to McGuinness and Donegal for figuring out a plan to exploit it. But Derry will learn heaps from it.
Ridiculous from Canavan (who I usually like) in the after match comments implying Derry would have been better had they not make the league final. The key moments from that game were the Donegal goals, and Derry would not have played Lynch any differently had they not made the league final.
If they meet again in an AI quarter or semi, I'd have a very slight edge for Derry, as they wouldn't give those stupid goals away next time, but Donegal will improve too so would be hard to call and could defo go either way.
Just goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry big names all missing in action today
Derry had crowned themselves All Ireland champions after league win... and this sort of nonsense this week:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/sport/12775239/derry-mickey-harte-gavin-devlin-donegal-ulster-sfc/amp/
In relation to glass and other Glen boy's, I wonder if the decision not to take time off after the club final was a factor today
How impressive were Donegal in the midfield battle though
Quote from: armaghniac on April 20, 2024, 08:08:33 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2024, 08:05:14 PMQuote from: statto on April 20, 2024, 08:01:36 PMAre Donegal genuine all Ireland contenders?
Jimmy talking Donegal down after that match saying Ulster is their focus and even reaching a final will be progress. He reckons Derry will have say in the All Ireland series, harder route for them now as 3rd seed in the group.
Derry could end up in a group with Dublin and Donegal!
Yes that defeat today could turn out more messy for Derry than imagined.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 20, 2024, 08:19:52 PMDerry had crowned themselves All Ireland champions after league win... and this sort of nonsense this week:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/sport/12775239/derry-mickey-harte-gavin-devlin-donegal-ulster-sfc/amp/
Nope! Nobody in Derry was doing that ...
Quote from: Hound on April 20, 2024, 08:12:37 PMVery enjoyable game. Result not overly important in the big scheme, both will be in the last 8 when the big cup is on the line.
Lynch does that in every game (as do some others) so big kudos to McGuinness and Donegal for figuring out a plan to exploit it. But Derry will learn heaps from it.
Ridiculous from Canavan (who I usually like) in the after match comments implying Derry would have been better had they not make the league final. The key moments from that game were the Donegal goals, and Derry would not have played Lynch any differently had they not made the league final.
If they meet again in an AI quarter or semi, I'd have a very slight edge for Derry, as they wouldn't give those stupid goals away next time, but Donegal will improve too so would be hard to call and could defo go either way.
I agree with all of this!
Derry could end up in group with Dublin/Kerry and one of Mayo/Galway/Donegal/Armagh. Then possibly into a prelim qf which will be tough going. Bigger result that than alot think.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 20, 2024, 08:08:33 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2024, 08:05:14 PMQuote from: statto on April 20, 2024, 08:01:36 PMAre Donegal genuine all Ireland contenders?
Jimmy talking Donegal down after that match saying Ulster is their focus and even reaching a final will be progress. He reckons Derry will have say in the All Ireland series, harder route for them now as 3rd seed in the group.
Derry could end up in a group with Dublin and Donegal!
I think Derry would take Donegal again. They'll learn from that.
A lot of football to be played yet.
Screen going on the defensive big style. Pity he wasn't in their back six today.
Just one game but given Mickey's terrible record against McGuinness and his extremely patchy record in big Championship games over 15 or so years it's possibly quite significant. A hammering on home soil and concession of four goals punches quite the hole in the reputation Derry have been building. There were questions about whether or not Mickey was the right appointment for Derry and they look very pertinent after his first Championship test.
Seamus McEnaney said this week that he thought Harte could be out before the AIF this year if Derry don't fulfil potential. That was after he called Derry CB spineless for sacking Gallagher over one Facebook post.
Quote from: Rois on April 20, 2024, 08:48:03 PMSeamus McEnaney said this week that he thought Harte could be out before the AIF this year if Derry don't fulfil potential. That was after he called Derry CB spineless for sacking Gallagher over one Facebook post.
Banty is a dose!
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 20, 2024, 08:45:56 PMJust one game but given Mickey's terrible record against McGuinness and his extremely patchy record in big Championship games over 15 or so years it's possibly quite significant. A hammering on home soil and concession of four goals punches quite the hole in the reputation Derry have been building. There were questions about whether or not Mickey was the right appointment for Derry and they look very pertinent after his first Championship test.
No questions. He wasn't.
We were that bad am beginning to think they were flogged to death in training camp. Lynch should not come by the 45, and no need to be very deep out the field on kickouts, After the first mistake, he continued to do it, should been stay in nets. Not overly worried about the game,as the craic with the keeper I had highlighted on the league final threat. He needs stay closer to goal as he hasn't enough ability on the ball out the field.
Was the training camp too close to the game?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 20, 2024, 08:22:10 PMHow impressive were Donegal in the midfield battle though
Hugely. You wouldn't have known Glass was playing. Also worth noting Derry came into that game having scored 16 goals in 8 Division one games and today they scored none and struggled to create any with the way Jimmy had Donegal so well organised.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 20, 2024, 09:08:29 PMWas the training camp too close to the game?
Harte no fan of those overseas training camps can see why today.
At least the Derry players could leave the field for the first time in 2 years without being swamped by kids looking for their gloves #TheLittleWins
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 20, 2024, 09:07:17 PMWe were that bad am beginning to think they were flogged to death in training camp. Lynch should not come by the 45, and no need to be very deep out the field on kickouts, After the first mistake, he continued to do it, should been stay in nets. Not overly worried about the game,as the craic with the keeper I had highlighted on the league final threat. He needs stay closer to goal as he hasn't enough ability on the ball out the field.
Maybe they figured out how to not really try? Lynch has threatened a bombscare performance like that for 2 years,he got away with it a few times but it finally happened.
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2024, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on April 20, 2024, 08:08:14 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 20, 2024, 08:00:18 PMDonegal's day for sure. Were the better team on the evening.
But this day will soon be forgotten. Things move on. Derry will re-group and Donegal will move on. One game doesn't make a summer.
Derry will move on and are still a top team.
That also counts for the League Final. People on here were losing the run of themselves about a game Derry could not see out twice.
Who are these people? I didn't see anybody from Derry do that!
Did you not? Because I saw plenty!!
A lot of people happy Derry were finally beat. It's the second time in 4 years this year has put in bad performance probably. Tactically we won't be that bad again. Donegal defended so deep that we were never getting goal chances. We lost the game on their kickouts but our shooting was the worst I've seen in in a long time as well.
Quote from: red hander on April 20, 2024, 08:34:19 PMScreen going on the defensive big style. Pity he wasn't in their back six today.
??
I've said numerous times I'm happy enough for us to not challenge in Ulster. We were 100% played off the park today but I'm optimistic we'll regroup and do well in the Sam Maguire!
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 09:25:22 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2024, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on April 20, 2024, 08:08:14 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 20, 2024, 08:00:18 PMDonegal's day for sure. Were the better team on the evening.
But this day will soon be forgotten. Things move on. Derry will re-group and Donegal will move on. One game doesn't make a summer.
Derry will move on and are still a top team.
That also counts for the League Final. People on here were losing the run of themselves about a game Derry could not see out twice.
Who are these people? I didn't see anybody from Derry do that!
Did you not? Because I saw plenty!!
We're on a GAA discussion board with lots of Derry fans you'll obviously be able to show us plenty of examples??
I don't feel Lynch being out where he was was the sole reason for his concession of the goals. On 3 of the 4 Donegal had done a great job of creating empty space in front of the Derry goals meaning there was no defender who could easily drop and force Donegal in to taking points. Had there been it would have made it a much closer game.
I think that should be a bigger worry for Derry than simply Lynch'S performance.
Quote from: Mario on April 20, 2024, 09:27:30 PMA lot of people happy Derry were finally beat. It's the second time in 4 years this year has put in bad performance probably. Tactically we won't be that bad again. Donegal defended so deep that we were never getting goal chances. We lost the game on their kickouts but our shooting was the worst I've seen in in a long time as well.
You'll be fine if teams don't care and give you the freedom of the park, but if they have a compact gameplan you're fucked, unless you take it to penalties of course.
Anyone with suggestions on where to watch the Tyrone v Cavan match tomorrow, for those of us down south and no BBC?
We did not look interested today. Donegal were much sharper all over the field. I'm not too bothered. We could do with the rest.
Disappointing result esp the manner of the goals. It was said during the week Donegal would need goals to beat us and goals they got. Plenty been saying Derry getting beat wouldn't be the worst thing but all the doom mongers are out in force writing the rest of our season off. Time will tell.
We were too slow and well off our pace. Very heavy legged. I don't think that was down to any Jimmy master plan but Donegal made hay with it and fair play. A good break and reset will do no harm.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
It wasn't the defeat itself for Derry, it was more the nature of the defeat because whatever way you look at it that was a hammering.
Derry can still recover from that defeat because they have enough recovery time. But huge questions remain over Harte tactically because he was out manoeuvred yet again by Jimmy McGuinness. There was nothing overly surprising about Donegals defensive counter attack style but it was surprising that Derry seemed to have no plan how to break them down.
It's a good result for the remaining teams in Ulster now though as it opens the championship right up and Donegal, Tyrone and Armagh will all think they can win Ulster now tonight.
in a way if derry were to somehow go on and win all ireland would it be bad provincial championships future
Quote from: yellowcard on April 20, 2024, 10:36:38 PMIt wasn't the defeat itself for Derry, it was more the nature of the defeat because whatever way you look at it that was a hammering.
Derry can still recover from that defeat because they have enough recovery time. But huge questions remain over Harte tactically because he was out manoeuvred yet again by Jimmy McGuinness. There was nothing overly surprising about Donegals defensive counter attack style but it was surprising that Derry seemed to have no plan how to break them down.
It's a good result for the remaining teams in Ulster now though as it opens the championship right up and Donegal, Tyrone and Armagh will all think they can win Ulster now tonight.
I actually think we broke them down fine we just got annihilated on the Donegal kickout and didn't get into our set defence quick enough.
Was it a tactical masterclass? They defended ferociously and went after the long kickouts it wasn't rocket science but they were absolutely the better team and good luck to them.
I think they will beat Tyrone or Cavan handily to set up a big game against Armagh. That game will have a lot more intensity than the Div2 league final!
Hard to remember a team dropping as many short in a single game as Derry did today. Midfield was dominated when the game really mattered too.
All round the team looked fatigued (possibly disinterested) and Donegal brought a greater intensity to the game.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 20, 2024, 10:40:14 PMin a way if derry were to somehow go on and win all ireland would it be bad provincial championships future
Jesus it's as if losing in the provincial championship means that's it's irrelevant, trying to figure out where I saw that before.
Quote from: Ghost on April 20, 2024, 10:54:08 PMHard to remember a team dropping as many short in a single game as Derry did today. Midfield was dominated when the game really mattered too.
All round the team looked fatigued (possibly disinterested) and Donegal brought a greater intensity to the game.
And no mention of the bombscare keeper.
Quote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 10:55:18 PMQuote from: Ghost on April 20, 2024, 10:54:08 PMHard to remember a team dropping as many short in a single game as Derry did today. Midfield was dominated when the game really mattered too.
All round the team looked fatigued (possibly disinterested) and Donegal brought a greater intensity to the game.
And no mention of the bombscare keeper.
Think that speaks for itself. A disaster all round. Can't believe they persisted with it after the 1st let alone the 2nd.
Quote from: OakLeaf on April 20, 2024, 09:53:22 PMWe did not look interested today. Donegal were much sharper all over the field. I'm not too bothered. We could do with the rest.
f**k off with we did not look interested crap. Beat, AND beat well. Seriously think you Derry wans will get another semi.
Quote from: Ghost on April 20, 2024, 10:54:08 PMHard to remember a team dropping as many short in a single game as Derry did today.
Should have had an old fashioned full forward standing on the edge of the square,
Quote from: Ghost on April 20, 2024, 10:57:52 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 10:55:18 PMQuote from: Ghost on April 20, 2024, 10:54:08 PMHard to remember a team dropping as many short in a single game as Derry did today. Midfield was dominated when the game really mattered too.
All round the team looked fatigued (possibly disinterested) and Donegal brought a greater intensity to the game.
And no mention of the bombscare keeper.
Think that speaks for itself. A disaster all round. Can't believe they persisted with it after the 1st let alone the 2nd.
3rd?
Quote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 10:58:48 PMQuote from: Ghost on April 20, 2024, 10:57:52 PMQuote from: Tones on April 20, 2024, 10:55:18 PMQuote from: Ghost on April 20, 2024, 10:54:08 PMHard to remember a team dropping as many short in a single game as Derry did today. Midfield was dominated when the game really mattered too.
All round the team looked fatigued (possibly disinterested) and Donegal brought a greater intensity to the game.
And no mention of the bombscare keeper.
Think that speaks for itself. A disaster all round. Can't believe they persisted with it after the 1st let alone the 2nd.
3rd?
Well doing it after the 2nd time obviously led to it happening the 3rd time...
Don't think Derry too worried about winning Ulster again.
However, the blueprint has been set by Jimmy.
Any day you head into Celtic park and come away with a win is a good day. Against a genuine AI contender makes it even sweeter. After a shakey first 10 minutes we settled into the game really well and I thought our younger lads showed great composure and courage throughout. Ciaran Moore was brilliant at full back; McCole, McGonagle and O'Baoill have some engines; Niall O'Donnell and Ryan McHugh are so good on the ball and able to take on their men 121.
Our MF was up against one of the strongest in the country and honestly made Rogers and Glass look very ordinary - that's where the game was won for me. We coped with the black card and the loss of Patton fairly well too which was great to see.
Jim said it afterwards - we had 6 months to prepare for that game and one week to prepare for the next one, so not a surprise that we had our setup right. Tactically, it reminded me of Dublin in 2014. Lots of space left in behind by Derry and we made hay off our long kickouts.
This is a great boost for this team and for the whole county. Always important to enjoy days like this before turning the mind to the next challenge. So I'm away to have another beer.
Up Donegal!
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2024, 11:22:06 PMDon't think Derry too worried about winning Ulster again.
However, the blueprint has been set by Jimmy.
It's the manner of the defeat. Absolutely obliterated by McGuinness.
Was very disppointed after the game, but not overly worried now, we out, Derry didn't change after the keeper 1st mistake, and every player was off their game,why no player told the keeper to stay bck on his own 45 on the Donegal kickout, I don't understand. Derry had a very heavy training block recently and it showed badly the day, even taking in the keeper mishaps. Kerry and Galway weren't great the day either.
Derry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.
A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.
I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.
My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 11:59:45 PMDerry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.
A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.
I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.
My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.
True though they were being mooted with Dublin and Kerry as top 3. That league 'win' (penalty shootout) was very overstated and hyped. Harte got left behind in managing a long time ago. Hadn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship 2009-2020. I don't think that would have happened to Rory Gallagher today.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 21, 2024, 12:22:39 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 11:59:45 PMDerry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.
A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.
I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.
My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.
True though they were being mooted with Dublin and Kerry as top 3. That league 'win' (penalty shootout) was very overstated and hyped. Harte got left behind in managing a long time ago. Hadn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship 2009-2020. I don't think that would
have happened to Rory Gallagher today.
Yeah something like that wouldn't happen with a Rory Gallagher managed team
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0722/892196-galway-v-donegal-report/#:~:text=Galway%20routed%20Donegal%20with%20a,once%2Dfeared%20defence%20to%20shreds.
https://derrygaa.ie/allianz-football-league-roinn-2-derry-0-12-galway-4-11-20-03-22/
Where's Redhand been at last couple of weeks?
Still think we issues up front. If McGuigan is held or off his game, the other lads can't seem to pick it up. Murray was good last day, wouldn't knew he was there the day. Glass was poor, but there were a half dozen even worse than him. We just have to see where they go in a month's time. I rather see McAvoy at Full back and McKinless back in the center. And keep a more defensive set up, as under Gallagher, and play horses for courses. Certain teams you should know there style of plays and what suits. Donegal today, you had match their style, we played way too open.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 01:10:27 AMStill think we issues up front. If McGuigan is held or off his game, the other lads can't seem to pick it up. Murray was good last day, wouldn't knew he was there the day. Glass was poor, but there were a half dozen even worse than him. We just have to see where they go in a month's time. I rather see McAvoy at Full back and McKinless back in the center. And keep a more defensive set up, as under Gallagher, and play horses for courses. Certain teams you should know there style of plays and what suits. Donegal today, you had match their style, we played way too open.
We didn't play particularly well and scored 17 points... we hit a few short and wide but the problem was not with our attacking play it was MF and how we defended!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2024, 01:00:17 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 21, 2024, 12:22:39 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 11:59:45 PMDerry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.
A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.
I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.
My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.
True though they were being mooted with Dublin and Kerry as top 3. That league 'win' (penalty shootout) was very overstated and hyped. Harte got left behind in managing a long time ago. Hadn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship 2009-2020. I don't think that would
have happened to Rory Gallagher today.
Yeah something like that wouldn't happen with a Rory Gallagher managed team
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0722/892196-galway-v-donegal-report/#:~:text=Galway%20routed%20Donegal%20with%20a,once%2Dfeared%20defence%20to%20shreds.
https://derrygaa.ie/allianz-football-league-roinn-2-derry-0-12-galway-4-11-20-03-22/
You went a long way back to find that championship match... 2017. he'd brought them on a long way since that wudnt have that hit today... As for a league game, is irrelevant, sure Tyrone got hammered in the league by Kerry in 2021 and took Sam up the road a few months later.
Mickey aint going to deliver Sam for Derry... sorry
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 21, 2024, 01:29:18 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2024, 01:00:17 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 21, 2024, 12:22:39 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 11:59:45 PMDerry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.
A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.
I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.
My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.
True though they were being mooted with Dublin and Kerry as top 3. That league 'win' (penalty shootout) was very overstated and hyped. Harte got left behind in managing a long time ago. Hadn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship 2009-2020. I don't think that would
have happened to Rory Gallagher today.
Yeah something like that wouldn't happen with a Rory Gallagher managed team
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0722/892196-galway-v-donegal-report/#:~:text=Galway%20routed%20Donegal%20with%20a,once%2Dfeared%20defence%20to%20shreds.
https://derrygaa.ie/allianz-football-league-roinn-2-derry-0-12-galway-4-11-20-03-22/
That championship match was 2017 he'd brought them on a long way since that.. as for a league game irrelevant sure Tyrone got hammered in the league by Kerry in 2021 and took Sam up the road a few months later.
Mickey can't handle the big championship games... not in years...
Great man for the McKenna cups though! #champion #warratrophy
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 21, 2024, 01:29:18 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2024, 01:00:17 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 21, 2024, 12:22:39 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 11:59:45 PMDerry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.
A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.
I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.
My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.
True though they were being mooted with Dublin and Kerry as top 3. That league 'win' (penalty shootout) was very overstated and hyped. Harte got left behind in managing a long time ago. Hadn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship 2009-2020. I don't think that would
have happened to Rory Gallagher today.
Yeah something like that wouldn't happen with a Rory Gallagher managed team
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0722/892196-galway-v-donegal-report/#:~:text=Galway%20routed%20Donegal%20with%20a,once%2Dfeared%20defence%20to%20shreds.
https://derrygaa.ie/allianz-football-league-roinn-2-derry-0-12-galway-4-11-20-03-22/
That championship match was 2017 he'd brought them on a long way since that.. as for a league game irrelevant sure Tyrone got hammered in the league by Kerry in 2021 and took Sam up the road a few months later.
Mickey can't handle th
The big championship games... not in years...
It was relevant as Gallagher's Derry were well beaten by Galway when they met again in the championship that summer. Donegal today under Jim McGuinness dismantled Derry in similar fashion to that Dublin v Donegal championship match in 2014. Jim Gavin after that match made Dublin a more careful team in possession and with a strong focus that they wouldn't be caught out as easy on the counter attack again.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 20, 2024, 11:42:15 PMQuote from: ONeill on April 20, 2024, 11:22:06 PMDon't think Derry too worried about winning Ulster again.
However, the blueprint has been set by Jimmy.
It's the manner of the defeat. Absolutely obliterated by McGuinness.
Getting beat is no harm, my preference would have been a loss on penalties. But we were worryingly outmanoeuvred today.
Donegal had done their homework and exploited the opportunities, we failed to react and adapt.
I'd disagree with screen on our attacking play, imo we lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there. Barely won a breaking ball either.
The rest should do us good and the seeding is largely irrelevant as has been discussed ad nauseum. Better to have 4 weeks off than 2 more games where you could still end up as a losing provincial finalist, meaning you cannot draw the Munster or Leinster finalists, who will be the weakest teams in the competition.
Oh, and to those questioning Glass and all that nonsense, go to a game and watch what he does, he's everywhere, covering space, organising team mates, providing an outlet. Phenomenal athlete with an incredible football brain on him.
On another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 21, 2024, 01:37:24 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 21, 2024, 01:29:18 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2024, 01:00:17 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 21, 2024, 12:22:39 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 11:59:45 PMDerry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.
A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.
I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.
My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.
True though they were being mooted with Dublin and Kerry as top 3. That league 'win' (penalty shootout) was very overstated and hyped. Harte got left behind in managing a long time ago. Hadn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship 2009-2020. I don't think that would
have happened to Rory Gallagher today.
Yeah something like that wouldn't happen with a Rory Gallagher managed team
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0722/892196-galway-v-donegal-report/#:~:text=Galway%20routed%20Donegal%20with%20a,once%2Dfeared%20defence%20to%20shreds.
https://derrygaa.ie/allianz-football-league-roinn-2-derry-0-12-galway-4-11-20-03-22/
That championship match was 2017 he'd brought them on a long way since that.. as for a league game irrelevant sure Tyrone got hammered in the league by Kerry in 2021 and took Sam up the road a few months later.
Mickey can't handle the big championship games... not in years...
Great man for the McKenna cups though! #champion #warratrophy
What Tyrone wouldn't give for a McKenna cup.... A 4 year drought!!
Good scheduling today, Tyrone v Cavan and Mayo v Roscommon on at the same time??
Quote from: An Watcher on April 21, 2024, 08:21:45 AMGood scheduling today, Tyrone v Cavan and Mayo v Roscommon on at the same time??
Once the Munster Hurling basketball championship starts football takes a back seat.
Quote from: snoopdog on April 21, 2024, 08:37:13 AMQuote from: An Watcher on April 21, 2024, 08:21:45 AMGood scheduling today, Tyrone v Cavan and Mayo v Roscommon on at the same time??
Once the Munster Hurling basketball championship starts football takes a back seat.
'Football' more akin to basketball!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 02:51:30 AMOn another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.
On the matter at hand watching the goals again, first was terrible, second Lynch actually scored it, it was going wide, forth lying in a heap in midfield embarrassing stuff.
Quote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:05:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 02:51:30 AMOn another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.
On the matter at hand watching the goals again, first was terrible, second Lynch actually scored it, it was going wide, forth lying in a heap in midfield embarrassing stuff.
I think this is the lesson for all teams with the 'fly keeper' nowadays.
I think Dublin were doing this to Derry in the NFL Final but didn't attack with much agression.
Donegal took it to a new level. Derry press high with Lynch covering space way out the pitch and Patton kicks over the top. It's 50/50 but if it breaks Donegal's way, they attack with serious pace and power from all angles and score the goals.
It got that bad that the last goal, the keeper actually kicked it deliberately (in my opinon) on top on Lynch, it broke and Donegal were in again for a really handy goal.
For me, when the press is on the kick-out, the only option is to go long. That's where the space is and Mc Guinness nd his management recognised this. The space is in the other half.
Patton is great at the long kicks butthe key is the strong pacey runners driving forward in support.
Now I'm sure Donegal's plan was to get a goal and a few points from this, thinking obviously, that Derry would recalibrate and stop this but for it to hppen time after time, Isure Mc Guinness couldn't believe it.
Now the thing is, the high press and keeper has been found out, will other teams be as brave to do it.
Mc Guinness and his management worked it well. Will it work again for them?
Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMBut we were worryingly outmanoeuvred today.
Donegal had done their homework and exploited the opportunities, we failed to react and adapt.
The bit about "failing to react and adapt" in a game just leapt out at me as I'm sure a lot of Tyrone and Louth folk would agree on it being a common theme in games lost under Harte.
Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMI'd disagree with screen on our attacking play, imo we lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there. Barely won a breaking ball either.
I would put a lot of this down to Donegal's defensive approach - I haven't watched the game back but I'd be willing to put money that Donegal's setup and tactics were all about denying Derry goal chances. This is a Derry team that have built so many of their victories off scoring goals and denying them chances would be a key platform of Donegal's approach - I think the stuff mentioned "lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there." was most likely as a result of Donegal's defensive setup. No better man than McGuinness to look at what worked for this Derry team previously in terms of creating goal chances and setting up his side to counter-act this.
Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMThe rest should do us good and the seeding is largely irrelevant as has been discussed ad nauseum. Better to have 4 weeks off than 2 more games where you could still end up as a losing provincial finalist, meaning you cannot draw the Munster or Leinster finalists, who will be the weakest teams in the competition.
Just to clarify the losing Ulster provincial finalist can't draw any of the the
losing provincial finalists, they will also be in a group with the one of the other winning provincial finalists
Quote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:05:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 02:51:30 AMOn another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.
On the matter at hand watching the goals again, first was terrible, second Lynch actually scored it, it was going wide, forth lying in a heap in midfield embarrassing stuff.
The 2nd wasn't going wide but he made a balls of it. Should have kept it out.
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2024, 09:37:07 AMQuote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:05:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 02:51:30 AMOn another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.
On the matter at hand watching the goals again, first was terrible, second Lynch actually scored it, it was going wide, forth lying in a heap in midfield embarrassing stuff.
I think this is the lesson for all teams with the 'fly keeper' nowadays.
I think Dublin were doing this to Derry in the NFL Final but didn't attack with much agression.
Donegal took it to a new level. Derry press high with Lynch covering space way out the pitch and Patton kicks over the top. It's 50/50 but if it breaks Donegal's way, they attack with serious pace and power from all angles and score the goals.
It got that bad that the last goal, the keeper actually kicked it deliberately (in my opinon) on top on Lynch, it broke and Donegal were in again for a really handy goal.
For me, when the press is on the kick-out, the only option is to go long. That's where the space is and Mc Guinness nd his management recognised this. The space is in the other half.
Patton is great at the long kicks butthe key is the strong pacey runners driving forward in support.
Now I'm sure Donegal's plan was to get a goal and a few points from this, thinking obviously, that Derry would recalibrate and stop this but for it to hppen time after time, Isure Mc Guinness couldn't believe it.
Now the thing is, the high press and keeper has been found out, will other teams be as brave to do it.
Mc Guinness and his management worked it well. Will it work again for them?
I don't think McGuinness is getting enough credit for not only exploiting the space on the long kick outs but also in creating it. Id need to see the goals again but from memory on 3 of them he made sure that there were no Donegal forwards near the goals so that there would be no covering defenders who could drop back and cover for Lynch. That was unusual tactically and worked a treat at creating the goals.
All that said, Donegal were gifted 4 goals and only won the game by 6 points (although there is no doubt they deserved to win), that will have to be of concern.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 21, 2024, 09:49:05 AMQuote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMBut we were worryingly outmanoeuvred today.
Donegal had done their homework and exploited the opportunities, we failed to react and adapt.
The bit about "failing to react and adapt" in a game just leapt out at me as I'm sure a lot of Tyrone and Louth folk would agree on it being a common theme in games lost under Harte.
Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMI'd disagree with screen on our attacking play, imo we lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there. Barely won a breaking ball either.
I would put a lot of this down to Donegal's defensive approach - I haven't watched the game back but I'd be willing to put money that Donegal's setup and tactics were all about denying Derry goal chances. This is a Derry team that have built so many of their victories off scoring goals and denying them chances would be a key platform of Donegal's approach - I think the stuff mentioned "lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there." was most likely as a result of Donegal's defensive setup. No better man than McGuinness to look at what worked for this Derry team previously in terms of creating goal chances and setting up his side to counter-act this.
Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMThe rest should do us good and the seeding is largely irrelevant as has been discussed ad nauseum. Better to have 4 weeks off than 2 more games where you could still end up as a losing provincial finalist, meaning you cannot draw the Munster or Leinster finalists, who will be the weakest teams in the competition.
Just to clarify the losing Ulster provincial finalist can't draw any of the the losing provincial finalists, they will also be in a group with the one of the other winning provincial finalists
I'd agree with Donegal defensive shape was a major factor on winning the game. Derry live of goals and not many teams have been able to live with their movement. Galway seem to be able to handle it and Donegal kept kept them under control as well.
Donegal players to come back in too and will not be an easy proposition for any team.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2024, 10:20:11 AMQuote from: marty34 on April 21, 2024, 09:37:07 AMQuote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:05:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 02:51:30 AMOn another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.
On the matter at hand watching the goals again, first was terrible, second Lynch actually scored it, it was going wide, forth lying in a heap in midfield embarrassing stuff.
I think this is the lesson for all teams with the 'fly keeper' nowadays.
I think Dublin were doing this to Derry in the NFL Final but didn't attack with much agression.
Donegal took it to a new level. Derry press high with Lynch covering space way out the pitch and Patton kicks over the top. It's 50/50 but if it breaks Donegal's way, they attack with serious pace and power from all angles and score the goals.
It got that bad that the last goal, the keeper actually kicked it deliberately (in my opinon) on top on Lynch, it broke and Donegal were in again for a really handy goal.
For me, when the press is on the kick-out, the only option is to go long. That's where the space is and Mc Guinness nd his management recognised this. The space is in the other half.
Patton is great at the long kicks butthe key is the strong pacey runners driving forward in support.
Now I'm sure Donegal's plan was to get a goal and a few points from this, thinking obviously, that Derry would recalibrate and stop this but for it to hppen time after time, Isure Mc Guinness couldn't believe it.
Now the thing is, the high press and keeper has been found out, will other teams be as brave to do it.
Mc Guinness and his management worked it well. Will it work again for them?
I don't think McGuinness is getting enough credit for not only exploiting the space on the long kick outs but also in creating it. Id need to see the goals again but from memory on 3 of them he made sure that there were no Donegal forwards near the goals so that there would be no covering defenders who could drop back and cover for Lynch. That was unusual tactically and worked a treat at creating the goals.
All that said, Donegal were gifted 4 goals and only won the game by 6 points (although there is no doubt they deserved to win), that will have to be of concern.
Donegal gifted them 4 points at the end
Have to commend Oisin Gallen's role in first goal, he was in front of goal with McKague and his run out to right forced McKague into having to decide whether to go with him or cover the goals.
Quote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 10:13:57 AMQuote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:05:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 02:51:30 AMOn another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.
On the matter at hand watching the goals again, first was terrible, second Lynch actually scored it, it was going wide, forth lying in a heap in midfield embarrassing stuff.
The 2nd wasn't going wide but he made a balls of it. Should have kept it out.
The thing that stood about thise goals was him seemingly jogging back. Surely he should be anticipating these scenarios and be busting his balls to get back.
Unfortunately didn't get to see the match in real time, but watched it back last night. Honestly could not believe what I was watching with Derry's goalkeeper shenanigans! Not blaming Lynch. He's been caught before, not least by Comer two years ago, and obviously this is a risk Harte felt was worth continuing to bear, but when you've been caught twice and you concede a third?? Absolute madness! Any hype in or about Donegal will have to be tempered by the fact that most other teams are not going to gift us those goal opportunities.
Great performance across the field though. You could see the belief balloon in that period before the first goal where we started to repeatedly turn Derry over AND make hay up front with McHugh and Mogan punching through the lines. Ryan's best performance this decade. Eoin Ban still to come back too to add more running and line breaking power. Caolan McGonigle is starting to bring back memories of Rambo Gavigan. He's like a bull when he gets moving. McCole did a good job on McGuigan again, although the system certainly helped. Brilliant work in midfield, and some finish from Jamie Brennan, whose biggest contribution to the county in the last few years had been coaching Abbey VS to the McLarnon and AI titles! And fair fucks to Daire O'Baoil - scored an even better goal against Cork in the league from further out.
Ulster wide open now, especially with only a week to prepare for Cavan or Tyrone. There'll be no four goals next week!
Watched the first half back this morning
and it hasn't really changed my mind from standing in the Brandywell Terrace yesterday evening.
Derry owned the ball at the start of the game and should have opened up a bigger gap on the scoreboard before Donegal got off the mark.
The shots dropped short especially playing with the wind in the first half were poor.
Even before the goal Lynch was caught twice out the field, once Rogers intercepted the through ball and another when McGrogan wasn't focused on getting the pass from Lynch and Donegal got a point at the other end.
Could have done with someone else other than McKaigue getting on the end of that goal opportunity.
Ref had a decent half, didnt fall for feigning injury from the hit my McGuigan. No real difficult calls to make.. But was he right about the protocol on the injury to Patton??
Not sure if I can stomach the second half yet. Might have to leave that for a while.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 21, 2024, 12:23:26 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 10:13:57 AMQuote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:05:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 02:51:30 AMOn another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.
On the matter at hand watching the goals again, first was terrible, second Lynch actually scored it, it was going wide, forth lying in a heap in midfield embarrassing stuff.
The 2nd wasn't going wide but he made a balls of it. Should have kept it out.
The thing that stood about thise goals was him seemingly jogging back. Surely he should be anticipating these scenarios and be busting his balls to get back.
He's always done that, it's always been a source of great annoyance amongst us! Maybe the thinking is that busting a guy to get back will mean he's unable to make a save anyway?
I'd agree with whoever said he was targeted for the last kick out - he's been covering space and rarely targeted, there's a reason why he's not midfield for the county, makes sense to target him, you'd wonder why it took Jimmy coming back to think of it!
Well done again to Donegal and Jim, excellent result for them and a tactical masterclass. Let's hope that our sluggishness was related to training or something and we'll get a prime draw with Kerry up in Celtic park in 6 weeks time - that'll tell us where we are!!
Quote from: Estimator on April 21, 2024, 01:11:48 PMWatched the first half back this morning
and it hasn't really changed my mind from standing in the Brandywell Terrace yesterday evening.
Derry owned the ball at the start of the game and should have opened up a bigger gap on the scoreboard before Donegal got off the mark.
The shots dropped short especially playing with the wind in the first half were poor.
Even before the goal Lynch was caught twice out the field, once Rogers intercepted the through ball and another when McGrogan wasn't focused on getting the pass from Lynch and Donegal got a point at the other end.
Could have done with someone else other than McKaigue getting on the end of that goal opportunity.
Ref had a decent half, didnt fall for feigning injury from the hit my McGuigan. No real difficult calls to make.. But was he right about the protocol on the injury to Patton??
Not sure if I can stomach the second half yet. Might have to leave that for a while.
I didn't see this. What happened?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 21, 2024, 02:00:50 PMQuote from: Estimator on April 21, 2024, 01:11:48 PMWatched the first half back this morning
and it hasn't really changed my mind from standing in the Brandywell Terrace yesterday evening.
Derry owned the ball at the start of the game and should have opened up a bigger gap on the scoreboard before Donegal got off the mark.
The shots dropped short especially playing with the wind in the first half were poor.
Even before the goal Lynch was caught twice out the field, once Rogers intercepted the through ball and another when McGrogan wasn't focused on getting the pass from Lynch and Donegal got a point at the other end.
Could have done with someone else other than McKaigue getting on the end of that goal opportunity.
Ref had a decent half, didnt fall for feigning injury from the hit my McGuigan. No real difficult calls to make.. But was he right about the protocol on the injury to Patton??
Not sure if I can stomach the second half yet. Might have to leave that for a while.
I didn't see this. What happened?
Under the new rule he was 100% Patton went down, appeared to be feigning at after a Derry point, physio messed about coming on to see him so he was sent around the pitch back to the middle to wait for the referees call to come back on
Once patton realised he'd effed up by faking an injury he sprinted at top speed over to the dug out so he could come back on ;D ;D ;D
That's a good few tanking Mickey and Devlin have took . Louth were pumped twice last year , all be in against good teams but they were very naive in there approach . Siege mentality has always been Mickey's trump car and I guess he'll get that now this week.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 21, 2024, 02:11:19 PMOnce patton realised he'd effed up by faking an injury he sprinted at top speed over to the dug out so he could come back on ;D ;D ;D
So were Donegal without a keeper while play continued?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 21, 2024, 02:53:27 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 21, 2024, 02:11:19 PMOnce patton realised he'd effed up by faking an injury he sprinted at top speed over to the dug out so he could come back on ;D ;D ;D
So were Donegal without a keeper while play continued?
yea for about a minute and a half
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 20, 2024, 11:59:45 PMDerry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.
A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.
I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.
My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.
;D golden! Taking time to work out how Derry can't possibly succeed. Surely they can't? Can they? Nah
On the game, the appetite those Donegal players had yesterday was incredible. McGuinness is obviously a very shroud operator tactics wise etc, but it's his man management that is a level above most. Those players gave it absolutely everything. Donegal had a handful of stand out players, but Ryan McHugh is something else. What a smart player, knows when to hold them, knows when to show them...only Ethan from our side got anywhere near that level of performance.
I've been around long enough to not get overly excited about a Derry win or loss. The last couple of years, those players have given us some amazing days out. Defeats are inevitable, it happens. 12 points from the 4 goals was an insurmountable challenge for any team, never mind a team that just, for whatever reason didn't click. A well earned rest now and a bit of soul searching as always happens in a defeat. Kinda getting used to Croke Pk, hopefully we're back again this year.
That's the end of that Derry team. Too one dimensional.
Brilliant block.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 21, 2024, 04:04:59 PMThat's the end of that Derry team. Too one dimensional.
Jesus 🤦🏼�♂️
McCurry's accuracy from very scoreable frees has been worrying this season.
Is Philly McMahon being paid by the word in co-comms?
Bullshit bingo in full fight today on BBC with niblock and McMahon.
- Boomer
- Transition
- Oozing
- Dancing round the D
- Whistles the ball
- Trinity
I'm just waiting on a 'from downtown' for the full house.
Is it not an issue that Cavan goalie is in black, same as the ref?
I no problem a keeper coming out the field to a extent, but on the opposite kickouts, u go no further than u own 45, Lynch was sitting all the time between the 2 65 lines, and that silly, it's no master plan from McGuinness, the keeper just too far out, at 1 stage he was near the Donegal 21. After the 1st goal he should dropped way back. Why he didn't do that, is a management issue.
Tyrone need to get mccurry and Darragh closer to goal.
Game over.
That's a wake up call for Derry as I feel some complacency had crept in.
Donegal might only have won by 6, but it was a hammering.
Tactically donegal got it right, but what really annoys me is how flat we were compared to donegal.
Donegal won nearly every break ball and tbh the goals game from mistakes in the midfield sector or from us not winning break ball.
Lynch getting abuse, but we don't normally make mistake like that so he was under much more pressure. Yes he made mistakes, but I don't think a single derry player had a good game.
Donegal won every position on the field, tackling was ferocious whereas derry hardly laid a hand on a donegal player.
I'd been saying during the week I was worried about this game, but I didn't see it being as bad as that.
Donegal fully deserved the win and only time will tell how derry react, or if they can.
I said it at the time of his appointment, but Harte will either be the best or the worst decision ever. Based on yesterday, it's not looking like a great decision.
Donegal head and shoulders better than anything in ulster based on that game. Fitter, hungrier, stronger than Derry.
It's hard to tell if we were so bad as donegal were so good or if we made them look better than they as as we were so poor.
I'd like to see donegal go on to win ulster now.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 04:32:33 PMI no problem a keeper coming out the field to a extent, but on the opposite kickouts, u go no further than u own 45, Lynch was sitting all the time between the 2 65 lines, and that silly, it's no master plan from McGuinness, the keeper just too far out, at 1 stage he was near the Donegal 21. After the 1st goal he should dropped way back. Why he didn't do that, is a management issue.
Agreed he should accept no personal responsibility for that shambles.
That was a stike.
Embarrassing
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 05:07:39 PMThat was a stike.
On Donnelly? Seriously?
Dont know how one got yellow and one got black there, maybe Lynch will get into it now abit but probably too late
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 05:07:39 PMThat was a stike.
Yeah there was a sneaky strike by the Cavan full back after the initial challenge.
Ridiculous decision.
Did that player that was injured go off? As per new rule?
Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Not another Tyrone man down holding his face?
Quote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
Game on
Cavan got some soft frees there as well.
Though I will say that McKernan should have got black there.
Great second half. Cavan have given their supporters some lift this championship.
Well done Cavan to claw their way back into that game.
Tyrone 8 up,cruising and let Cavan bck into it, Extra time a bollacks for either team with Donegal nxt week. Big score in 70 mins of fball.
Quote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:36:23 PMThough I will say that McKernan should have got black there.
That was stupid. Really cost his team
That's a shocker of a last 20 from Tyrone. From cruising to panic stations.
Quote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:36:23 PMThough I will say that McKernan should have got black there.
Did the ref forget the rules ?
Quote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:33:42 PMCavan got some soft frees there as well.
Cavan have realised that if, with any heat in the tackle, c**k the head back and you get a free, 100%, of the time
Quote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:33:42 PMCavan got some soft frees there as well.
Ref gave Tyrone very handy frees mostly though, and is letting them play act and time waste too.
No idea what tyrone were doing in 2nd half. Kickouts at a snails pace, no structure to the attack or defence
Quote from: straightred on April 21, 2024, 05:39:03 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:36:23 PMThough I will say that McKernan should have got black there.
Did the ref forget the rules ?
He did. Forgot to ask a man who had physio treatment to go off, then he ran into midfield clipped a man and hit the ground to win a free. Joke stuff. Shouldn't have been on the field
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 05:39:45 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:33:42 PMCavan got some soft frees there as well.
Ref gave Tyrone very handy frees mostly though, and is letting them play act and time waste too.
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What were you watching. Tyrone hardly had any frees
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 05:41:10 PMQuote from: straightred on April 21, 2024, 05:39:03 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:36:23 PMThough I will say that McKernan should have got black there.
Did the ref forget the rules ?
He did. Forgot to ask a man who had physio treatment to go off, then he ran into midfield clipped a man and hit the ground to win a free. Joke stuff. Shouldn't have been on the field
I'd asked that earlier.
Player should be off, back on again in break of play
The black card... hmmm to be fair there wasn't much room to avoid, You can impede a player without it being a black card, so not sure what the pundits were saying
Still unbeaten at home. Extra time doesn't count
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2024, 05:47:13 PMStill unbeaten at home. Extra time doesn't count
Don't tell Derry that.
On replays there, Lynch shouldnt even been yellow carded, Hampsey pulled Lynch to the ground on top of him.
Deliberately pulling a man to the ground is a black card. Probably the easiest decision of the day. What is Oisin on about, 2 yellows and let them get on with it?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 21, 2024, 05:49:50 PMOn replays there, Lynch shouldnt even been yellow carded, Hampsey pulled Lynch to the ground on top of him.
Hampsey pulled him to the ground as lynch was standing ontop of him
Thats about the 4th high challenge cavan have gotten away with today
Another strike on Mattie Donnelly
Again, what is the protocol? Should Donnelly not have to leave the field?
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 05:55:31 PMThats about the 4th high challenge cavan have gotten away with today
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A high tackle is either a yellow card or it's not. It's not wonder fans get so frustrated with refs when they are so inconsistent
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 05:44:44 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 05:39:45 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:33:42 PMCavan got some soft frees there as well.
Ref gave Tyrone very handy frees mostly though, and is letting them play act and time waste too.
What were you watching. Tyrone hardly had any frees
What are you watching? How many scoreable frees did they get?
Both teams out on their feet. Jim will be delighted.
Tyrone have it now, Cavan out on their feet and their decision making has gone to pot.
Goldrick doesn't want to book cavan players
Rerun of Derry last play 3yrs ago.
How the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
That was stupid from Cavan. Philly McMahon was right 'Jesus!'
Why wouldn't anyone kick ball in, it was like 5 mins in.
Was at least another 20'seconds there
Cavan have softened Tyrone up for Donegal next week. Anglo Celt is Donegals to lose now.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:50 PMWas at least another 20'seconds there
He was right to blow it, give them one last chance and they were playing it back and back again.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
He gave Cavan more time than they should have got at the end for them to try and get an equaliser.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Some team for engineering a free.
Great contest, could have went either way. Donegal v Tyrone, no idea how it'll go tbh.
Quote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 06:25:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:50 PMWas at least another 20'seconds there
He was right to blow it, give them one last chance and they were playing it back and back again.
Morgan wasted so much time. Thought ref was a disgrace whole game allowing Tyrone waste time.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:50 PMWas at least another 20'seconds there
You mean he played about 20 secs more than he should have lol.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Jayzus lad, ducking your head into a challenge and then throwing your head back is working a free in your favour. Black card was 100% spot on.
If anything, Tyrone got the rub of the green today
Quote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 06:25:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:50 PMWas at least another 20'seconds there
He was right to blow it, give them one last chance and they were playing it back and back again.
He got it about right. They had chances to move it forward and didn't. If they'd even thrown a high ball in anything could have happened. They were naive to lose it the way they did
Same thing that Derry did against Donegal in '21. Have to show intent to attack.
Coldrick made up most of the time from the final free kick (time wasting) by Morgan.. maybe another few seconds could have been applied. But Cavan were going backwards/sideways.
Quote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 06:25:49 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
He gave Cavan more time than they should have got at the end for them to try and get an equaliser.
Last free that Morgan missed the ball was out of play for over a minute but he only played 45 second. Cavan probably wouldn't have scored anyway
Quote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Jayzus lad, ducking your head into a challenge and then throwing your head back is working a free in your favour. Black card was 100% spot on.
If anything, Tyrone got the rub of the green today
Not in the hand I watched. Gough def kept Cavan in it with really poor decisions. He's prob one of the worst on the circuit
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on April 21, 2024, 06:35:44 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Jayzus lad, ducking your head into a challenge and then throwing your head back is working a free in your favour. Black card was 100% spot on.
If anything, Tyrone got the rub of the green today
Not in the hand I watched. Gough def kept Cavan in it with really poor decisions. He's prob one of the worst on the circuit
I thought he played with Tyrone. Free near end for Cavan was penalty and black.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Added time is a minimum. Morgan wasted a lot with his free
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on April 21, 2024, 06:35:44 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2024, 06:29:01 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Jayzus lad, ducking your head into a challenge and then throwing your head back is working a free in your favour. Black card was 100% spot on.
If anything, Tyrone got the rub of the green today
Not in the hand I watched. Gough def kept Cavan in it with really poor decisions. He's prob one of the worst on the circuit
You were watching something else entirely. Gough wasn't the ref
Quote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 06:25:49 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
He gave Cavan more time than they should have got at the end for them to try and get an equaliser.
He didn't even play enough time to cover the wasting at the last Morgan free lad...
Can someone explain the rules about adding on time?
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
You have to give credit where it's due to Cavan for taking that to extra time. Winning vs Monaghan then Tyrone then Donegal was always going to be a Herculean task.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
Just the 10 steps he allowed the keeper before he soloed and then took too long again. Not sure what the issue is there.
Not to mention Coldrick allowed the physio rule to be ignored. Player gets physio, meant to go off. He did it once but then not after. And multiple times that player had an impact the next play. Coldrick bad today overall
Quote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 06:51:24 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
Just the 10 steps he allowed the keeper before he soloed and then took too long again. Not sure what the issue is there.
He was being fouled! Jeez like
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:52:23 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 06:51:24 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
Just the 10 steps he allowed the keeper before he soloed and then took too long again. Not sure what the issue is there.
He was being fouled! Jeez like
He was being tackled fairly. You're being absolutely blind here.
Quote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 06:53:20 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:52:23 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 06:51:24 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
Just the 10 steps he allowed the keeper before he soloed and then took too long again. Not sure what the issue is there.
He was being fouled! Jeez like
He was being tackled fairly. You're being absolutely blind here.
Even the lads on RTÉ radio there on the way home are saying it was never a free and the keeper was fouled. The ref messed up that one
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:52:02 PMNot to mention Coldrick allowed the physio rule to be ignored. Player gets physio, meant to go off. He did it once but then not after. And multiple times that player had an impact the next play. Coldrick bad today overall
Shite rule that.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 06:58:17 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:52:02 PMNot to mention Coldrick allowed the physio rule to be ignored. Player gets physio, meant to go off. He did it once but then not after. And multiple times that player had an impact the next play. Coldrick bad today overall
Shite rule that.
Not disagreeing with you. But it's in place, he ignored it, and then those players who were half dead moments before had an impact
I didn't think it was over at half-time as Tyrone under this management team are liable to be a basket case in the second half. Happened again there, absolutely rudderless ship and lucky to get over the line in a game which should have been won by double figures. For the talent available that team is nowhere near good enough and it was good to see Mattie so angry at the end. Too late to be learning all the lessons he was talking about. They'll lose to Donegal and they'll lose to anyone half decent later on too.
Tyrone's problems go way beyond refereeing decisions but that was an erratic display. The game turned on the Hampsey black card. If he was guilty of pulling Lynch down it probably didn't help that Lynch was all over him initially. A terrible call by a ref who was influenced by the pattern of the game rather than refereeing what was actually happening.
Is that the rule though?
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 21, 2024, 07:09:40 PMI didn't think it was over at half-time as Tyrone under this management team are liable to be a basket case in the second half. Happened again there, absolutely rudderless ship and lucky to get over the line in a game which should have been won by double figures. For the talent available that team is nowhere near good enough and it was good to see Mattie so angry at the end. Too late to be learning all the lessons he was talking about. They'll lose to Donegal and they'll lose to anyone half decent later on too.
Tyrone's problems go way beyond refereeing decisions but that was an erratic display. The game turned on the Hampsey black card. If he was guilty of pulling Lynch down it probably didn't help that Lynch was all over him initially. A terrible call by a ref who was influenced by the pattern of the game rather than refereeing what was actually happening.
Lynch missed a shot and Hampsey went over to let him know. Then Hampsey dragged him down. No complaints
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:57:52 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 06:53:20 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:52:23 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 06:51:24 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
Just the 10 steps he allowed the keeper before he soloed and then took too long again. Not sure what the issue is there.
He was being fouled! Jeez like
He was being tackled fairly. You're being absolutely blind here.
Even the lads on RTÉ radio there on the way home are saying it was never a free and the keeper was fouled. The ref messed up that one
Oh you should have said that - if the lads on the radio are saying it, it must have been a foul then. Not Tyrone's fault your keeper couldn't deal with a bit of pressure and he over carried.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 07:11:00 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 21, 2024, 07:09:40 PMI didn't think it was over at half-time as Tyrone under this management team are liable to be a basket case in the second half. Happened again there, absolutely rudderless ship and lucky to get over the line in a game which should have been won by double figures. For the talent available that team is nowhere near good enough and it was good to see Mattie so angry at the end. Too late to be learning all the lessons he was talking about. They'll lose to Donegal and they'll lose to anyone half decent later on too.
Tyrone's problems go way beyond refereeing decisions but that was an erratic display. The game turned on the Hampsey black card. If he was guilty of pulling Lynch down it probably didn't help that Lynch was all over him initially. A terrible call by a ref who was influenced by the pattern of the game rather than refereeing what was actually happening.
Lynch missed a shot and Hampsey went over to let him know. Then Hampsey dragged him down. No complaints
You clearly didn't see the incident. I make no defence of Hampsey and his backchat and sadly it now seems to be very well established in the sport. But Lynch was dragging too right before they went to ground. Grim refereeing that changed the game. Further questions for Tyrone about the way they handled the aftermath of the incident.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:52:23 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 21, 2024, 06:51:24 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
Just the 10 steps he allowed the keeper before he soloed and then took too long again. Not sure what the issue is there.
He was being fouled! Jeez like
You're joking surely
Lads away and have a look at yourselves. Arguing every single call that was against your team. There was very little in the reffing of that game that was controversial.
The last couple of pages would make your head hurt.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 21, 2024, 07:37:05 PMLads away and have a look at yourselves. Arguing every single call that was against your team. There was very little in the reffing of that game that was controversial.
The last couple of pages would make your head hurt.
Give the prize to this fella.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 21, 2024, 07:37:05 PMLads away and have a look at yourselves. Arguing every single call that was against your team. There was very little in the reffing of that game that was controversial.
The last couple of pages would make your head hurt.
And people wonder why no one wants to referee any more.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:42:40 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 06:25:49 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
He gave Cavan more time than they should have got at the end for them to try and get an equaliser.
He didn't even play enough time to cover the wasting at the last Morgan free lad...
From when the free was awarded to Morgan kicking it was roughly a minute. Ref played about 45 seconds over the 2 minutes , so technically 15 seconds short.
But aren't players allowed the 15 seconds to kick a free? So that evens it out
So no one knows the rules around adding time?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 21, 2024, 08:25:19 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:42:40 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 06:25:49 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
He gave Cavan more time than they should have got at the end for them to try and get an equaliser.
He didn't even play enough time to cover the wasting at the last Morgan free lad...
From when the free was awarded to Morgan kicking it was roughly a minute. Ref played about 45 seconds over the 2 minutes , so technically 15 seconds short.
But aren't players allowed the 15 seconds to kick a free? So that evens it out
If the ref thought Morgan took too long then he would've cancelled the free, not added on 20 seconds at the end.
I can forgive Donegal for beating Derry as long as they beat Armagh in the final.
Donegal have poked the bear and Derry will come back stronger.
Thats as good a weekends football as there has been in a while.
Is there as much wrong with the game as is made out?
As much as I got it right about Jim Mcguinness having something up his sleeve with Donegal.
I'll have to admit I was wrong on Cavan. Game was going more or less how I expected it with Tyrone 8 points up. But a unbelievable turnaround by Cavan which I would never had expected.
If they had that bit more belief from the start they'd have pulled it off.
So Armagh and Donegal in the final, ffs I have tickets for Armagh against Down, is that cancelled?
Alot comparing about Hampsey but replays show it was correct, the other cornerback probably should picked up 1 do. Big worry for Tyrone is they seem very disjointed. That 2 years running, coughing up good leads when well in control. I still think they better players than Donegal but they very organised, Tyrone aren't.
Tyrone played more as individuals. When they weee put under some pressure in the 2nd half they didn't pull together as a unit and lacked leaders to close out the game. It shows what the team has the potential to do. But whether it's a lack of confidence by the players or lack of game management by the sideline I don't know. The reality is that in patches they can play some nice football. But seem to lack consistency too much to be a threat unfortunately.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 08:30:34 PMSo no one knows the rules around adding time?
I genuinely have no idea. If you extra time is 10 minutes a half does that mean that when 2 mins extra time is played 7 would have been played had it been a 35 minute half?
Quote from: Main Street on April 21, 2024, 08:46:07 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 21, 2024, 08:25:19 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:42:40 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 06:25:49 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
He gave Cavan more time than they should have got at the end for them to try and get an equaliser.
He didn't even play enough time to cover the wasting at the last Morgan free lad...
From when the free was awarded to Morgan kicking it was roughly a minute. Ref played about 45 seconds over the 2 minutes , so technically 15 seconds short.
But aren't players allowed the 15 seconds to kick a free? So that evens it out
If the ref thought Morgan took too long then he would've cancelled the free, not added on 20 seconds at the end.
Refs rarely blow for frees taking too long , especially with goalkeepers coming all the way up the field.
Countdown clock like the ladies game , is badly badly needed
Ruggers I think is better Cavan basically had that today,game over go for it, they faffed about, ref little option but to blow, ffs pump it in what was there to lose, the fear of defeat is shocking in the modern game.
Tyrone and Donegal an interesting one, Donegal will surely not allow the Canavans and McCurry freedom of the park like Cavan did. And Donegal have better forwards than Cavan. Full credit to Cavan for dragging themselves back into that.
Well just home and haven't watched anything back on TV yet. I thought in extra time we had a free or two we should've got but didn't but the overcarrying by o rourke was correct call. Wasn't his fault though as he was isolated and got no help. From a Cavan perspective we have to look at how we set up in 1st half, playing that cagey shite that Tyrone love. Gave them an 8 point lead and then started to play. We need to go for it from the start. A proud effort from the lads that just came up short
Very disappointed that Coldrick on I think 3 occasions did not follow the rules and ask "injured" Tyrone players to go to the line. No excuse for that.
Crazy that Tyrone are expected to play donegal in 7 days.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 09:47:13 PMTyrone and Donegal an interesting one, Donegal will surely not allow the Canavans and McCurry freedom of the park like Cavan did. And Donegal have better forwards than Cavan. Full credit to Cavan for dragging themselves back into that.
Can't see Tyrone getting near Donegal especially given extra time today.
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2024, 09:51:56 PMWell just home and haven't watched anything back on TV yet. I thought in extra time we had a free or two we should've got but didn't but the overcarrying by o rourke was correct call. Wasn't his fault though as he was isolated and got no help. From a Cavan perspective we have to look at how we set up in 1st half, playing that cagey shite that Tyrone love. Gave them an 8 point lead and then started to play. We need to go for it from the start. A proud effort from the lads that just came up short
Very disappointed that Coldrick on I think 3 occasions did not follow the rules and ask "injured" Tyrone players to go to the line. No excuse for that.
Crazy that Tyrone are expected to play donegal in 7 days.
Agree with last sentence but how else can the GAA franchise rent out Croke Park for huge profits in August, player welfare my arse.
Quote from: screenexile on April 21, 2024, 09:59:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 09:47:13 PMTyrone and Donegal an interesting one, Donegal will surely not allow the Canavans and McCurry freedom of the park like Cavan did. And Donegal have better forwards than Cavan. Full credit to Cavan for dragging themselves back into that.
Can't see Tyrone getting near Donegal especially given extra time today.
Donegal will be shown to be not that great. They got 3 goals from a smart tactical move on kick outs. I don't think that will happen. I think Armagh would beat them should they meet in the final
Tyrone conceded 3 bad goals today though.
Cue further chat this week about what Jim has up his sleeve for Tyrone.
Tyrone up against it from going to extra time today and the turnaround to next Sunday. If Patton is injured for Donegal it will be a blow for them.
Thought the ref did OK until extra time when he seemed to give Tyrone frees for things he'd subsequently ignore when the same thing happened a Cavan player.
Hell of an effort by our boys. A shame they had to indulge in "tactics" and nauseatingly shite football until the game seemed gone and they could actually try a leg - and then look what happened.
All is not lost. Could still be a decent season for Cavan as long as the Sam Maguire groups don't turn into a rerun of an ulster sfc.
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2024, 10:07:15 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 21, 2024, 09:59:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 09:47:13 PMTyrone and Donegal an interesting one, Donegal will surely not allow the Canavans and McCurry freedom of the park like Cavan did. And Donegal have better forwards than Cavan. Full credit to Cavan for dragging themselves back into that.
Can't see Tyrone getting near Donegal especially given extra time today.
Donegal will be shown to be not that great. They got 3 goals from a smart tactical move on kick outs. I don't think that will happen. I think Armagh would beat them should they meet in the final
Haven't seen anyone suggest we're "great". Why would they?
Ulster title is wide open.
Personally, I've no idea what to expect next week beyond the fact that I expect us to give Tyrone a good rattle, unlike the facile stroll we allowed them last year.
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2024, 09:51:56 PMWell just home and haven't watched anything back on TV yet. I thought in extra time we had a free or two we should've got but didn't but the overcarrying by o rourke was correct call. Wasn't his fault though as he was isolated and got no help. From a Cavan perspective we have to look at how we set up in 1st half, playing that cagey shite that Tyrone love. Gave them an 8 point lead and then started to play. We need to go for it from the start. A proud effort from the lads that just came up short
Very disappointed that Coldrick on I think 3 occasions did not follow the rules and ask "injured" Tyrone players to go to the line. No excuse for that.
Crazy that Tyrone are expected to play donegal in 7 days.
Yep. The calendar is deliberately screwed.
The league finals are Being devalued, the provincial championship is being devalued (more than it was before ) . The only thing left to do is bring a provincial final to Paris , Texas or Madagascar. Then they can really pull the plug.
Quote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:03:33 PMSo Armagh and Donegal in the final, ffs I have tickets for Armagh against Down, is that cancelled?
No but Armagh are expected to have no problems in this fixture....
Quote from: J70 on April 21, 2024, 10:33:54 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 21, 2024, 10:07:15 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 21, 2024, 09:59:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2024, 09:47:13 PMTyrone and Donegal an interesting one, Donegal will surely not allow the Canavans and McCurry freedom of the park like Cavan did. And Donegal have better forwards than Cavan. Full credit to Cavan for dragging themselves back into that.
Can't see Tyrone getting near Donegal especially given extra time today.
Donegal will be shown to be not that great. They got 3 goals from a smart tactical move on kick outs. I don't think that will happen. I think Armagh would beat them should they meet in the final
Haven't seen anyone suggest we're "great". Why would they?
Ulster title is wide open.
Personally, I've no idea what to expect next week beyond the fact that I expect us to give Tyrone a good rattle, unlike the facile stroll we allowed them last year.
If you read the post I was responding to you'll get it.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2024, 09:32:49 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 08:30:34 PMSo no one knows the rules around adding time?
I genuinely have no idea. If you extra time is 10 minutes a half does that mean that when 2 mins extra time is played 7 would have been played had it been a 35 minute half?
So when are we going to get our answer MR2?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 21, 2024, 09:40:40 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 21, 2024, 08:46:07 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 21, 2024, 08:25:19 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:42:40 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 06:25:49 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
He gave Cavan more time than they should have got at the end for them to try and get an equaliser.
He didn't even play enough time to cover the wasting at the last Morgan free lad...
From when the free was awarded to Morgan kicking it was roughly a minute. Ref played about 45 seconds over the 2 minutes , so technically 15 seconds short.
But aren't players allowed the 15 seconds to kick a free? So that evens it out
If the ref thought Morgan took too long then he would've cancelled the free, not added on 20 seconds at the end.
Refs rarely blow for frees taking too long , especially with goalkeepers coming all the way up the field.
Countdown clock like the ladies game , is badly badly needed
Put it in your submission to the playing rules review group. There's a 100 word free text bit at the end. Introduce a shot clock for frees or countdown clock as in ladies football
Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 11:36:17 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2024, 09:32:49 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 08:30:34 PMSo no one knows the rules around adding time?
I genuinely have no idea. If you extra time is 10 minutes a half does that mean that when 2 mins extra time is played 7 would have been played had it been a 35 minute half?
So when are we going to get our answer MR2?
But but but everyone knows the answer sure
Adding minutes for injuries and substitutes
If a keeper is time wasting, you can't officially add that on, if someone is time wasting over a free that's not added either, they can be booked and the free is reversed to a hop ball for frees, again this wastes even more time..
15 seconds is generally a rule as you have that for the likes of Marks, but very rarely will ref's blow up keepers
I personally hate time wasters and stop my watch regardless. But hey that's me
Quote from: downtothecore on April 21, 2024, 10:53:28 PMQuote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:03:33 PMSo Armagh and Donegal in the final, ffs I have tickets for Armagh against Down, is that cancelled?
No but Armagh are expected to have no problems in this fixture....
Akin to
Monaghan v Cavan,
Derry v Donegal, Cavan v
Tyrone pretty sure 3 teams there were meant to have no problems in their respective games!
It's a banana skin for Armagh. They *should* be too good but maybe Down are better than we think.
Quote from: Tones on April 22, 2024, 08:29:22 AMQuote from: downtothecore on April 21, 2024, 10:53:28 PMQuote from: Tones on April 21, 2024, 09:03:33 PMSo Armagh and Donegal in the final, ffs I have tickets for Armagh against Down, is that cancelled?
No but Armagh are expected to have no problems in this fixture....
Akin to Monaghan v Cavan, Derry v Donegal, Cavan v Tyrone pretty sure 3 teams there were meant to have no problems in their respective games!
I'd have only had those 3 as slight favourites tbh. Armagh massive favourites
As mentioned already, what a weekend of football that was.
Derry/Donegal was an intense a game as you will see.
Thought the two in the middle for Derry were quiet all day and either of them being subdued can only mean bad things for Derry. A month off to process and learn, so you would think there will be a response to that.
Donegal were brilliant and got everything spot on tactically. A high intense gameplan and Derry had no answers. The only issue is, they only have a week to do their homework on Tyrone and whether they can match that intensity with the quick turnaround remains to be seen.
Full credit to Cavan, a classic case of throwing the shackles off and going at it nearly got them there. Tyrone had enough experience to get them over the line. Again tired bodies will count against them against Donegal. Hard to see them winning giving how both teams played.
Interesting that some people have referred to Tyrone's experience getting them over the line. We had 9, (yes 9!) Senior championship debutants yesterday. I think it was our lack of experience that has led to us almost getting caught. This game will improve our team in the long run. Hard to know if our individual brilliance (Darragh Canavan was unreal again) will be enough to get over a, clearly, more organised and structured Donegal team. It'll be a great game nonetheless.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 22, 2024, 09:33:49 AMAs mentioned already, what a weekend of football that was.
Derry/Donegal was an intense a game as you will see.
Thought the two in the middle for Derry were quiet all day and either of them being subdued can only mean bad things for Derry. A month off to process and learn, so you would think there will be a response to that.
Donegal were brilliant and got everything spot on tactically. A high intense gameplan and Derry had no answers. The only issue is, they only have a week to do their homework on Tyrone and whether they can match that intensity with the quick turnaround remains to be seen.
Full credit to Cavan, a classic case of throwing the shackles off and going at it nearly got them there. Tyrone had enough experience to get them over the line. Again tired bodies will count against them against Donegal. Hard to see them winning giving how both teams played.
I think you're giving Derry too much credit there. Donegal bossed the game in every position from the first minute to the last. It was a 6 point hammering.
Derry were very flat, tactically outthought and seemed to be playing like we might have done 3/4 years ago. But a lot of that was down to how good Donegal were.
Tyrone/Cavan are pretty much on a par I believe.
If Donegal play as well again next weekend, they'll have not trouble with Tyrone, the question is can they motivate themselves to that level again?
I'd expect Armagh to beat Down, but it won't be the facile victory some are predicting. Down will compete physically, if they can get their scoring boots on they could rattle Armagh.
Based on the weekends games, Donegal are best placed to win Ulster imo.
Big question for Derry is was this just a blip with eye off the ball? Or have the wheels fallen off under Harte after the high of winning the league.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2024, 10:00:20 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 22, 2024, 09:33:49 AMAs mentioned already, what a weekend of football that was.
Derry/Donegal was an intense a game as you will see.
Thought the two in the middle for Derry were quiet all day and either of them being subdued can only mean bad things for Derry. A month off to process and learn, so you would think there will be a response to that.
Donegal were brilliant and got everything spot on tactically. A high intense gameplan and Derry had no answers. The only issue is, they only have a week to do their homework on Tyrone and whether they can match that intensity with the quick turnaround remains to be seen.
Full credit to Cavan, a classic case of throwing the shackles off and going at it nearly got them there. Tyrone had enough experience to get them over the line. Again tired bodies will count against them against Donegal. Hard to see them winning giving how both teams played.
I think you're giving Derry too much credit there. Donegal bossed the game in every position from the first minute to the last. It was a 6 point hammering.
Derry were very flat, tactically outthought and seemed to be playing like we might have done 3/4 years ago. But a lot of that was down to how good Donegal were.
Tyrone/Cavan are pretty much on a par I believe.
If Donegal play as well again next weekend, they'll have not trouble with Tyrone, the question is can they motivate themselves to that level again?
I'd expect Armagh to beat Down, but it won't be the facile victory some are predicting. Down will compete physically, if they can get their scoring boots on they could rattle Armagh.
Based on the weekends games, Donegal are best placed to win Ulster imo.
Big question for Derry is was this just a blip with eye off the ball? Or have the wheels fallen off under Harte after the high of winning the league.
You don't become a good team with one game and you don't become a bad team with one game.
If Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?
I think Donegal have a big advantage over Tyrone in terms of recovery. Tyrone have a days rest less and extra time in the legs, they will get little or nothing done this week apart from recover work. In any case I think they look to be a team in transition with an awful lot of young players thrown in. I think Donegal could end up winning this match comfortably and set up a repeat of the division 2 national league final.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 22, 2024, 11:37:24 AMIf Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?
Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday. Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 22, 2024, 12:01:59 PMI think Donegal have a big advantage over Tyrone in terms of recovery. Tyrone have a days rest less and extra time in the legs, they will get little or nothing done this week apart from recover work. In any case I think they look to be a team in transition with an awful lot of young players thrown in. I think Donegal could end up winning this match comfortably and set up a repeat of the division 2 national league final.
Agreed. The turnaround time is ridiculous. Was a time supporters could enjoy the win for a week and another week to look forward to the next round. Is a big ask of Tyrone after such a gruelling game players coming off with knocks and hardly time to sort the injuries, then prepare for next Sunday. Donegal had a handy aul run-out, tho well done to them.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 22, 2024, 12:21:32 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 22, 2024, 12:01:59 PMI think Donegal have a big advantage over Tyrone in terms of recovery. Tyrone have a days rest less and extra time in the legs, they will get little or nothing done this week apart from recover work. In any case I think they look to be a team in transition with an awful lot of young players thrown in. I think Donegal could end up winning this match comfortably and set up a repeat of the division 2 national league final.
Agreed. The turnaround time is ridiculous. Was a time supporters could enjoy the win for a week and another week to look forward to the next round. Is a big ask of Tyrone after such a gruelling game players coming off with knocks and hardly time to sort the injuries, then prepare for next Sunday. Donegal had a handy aul run-out, tho well done to them.
It's very much ridiculous. It doesn't allow anyone time for a breath. The games are coming so thick and fast that there's no time for a build up. And supporters become fatigued too and so on. It's just way too compressed
But fans have Cold Play to look forward to!
Quote from: balladmaker on April 22, 2024, 12:07:46 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 22, 2024, 11:37:24 AMIf Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?
Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday. Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.
I just cant see it being anyway close to be honest. If you are looking at what you've seen so far. Despite being very unpredictable form wise Armagh should have way too much.
5/1 for Down. +5 handicap.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 22, 2024, 12:07:46 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 22, 2024, 11:37:24 AMIf Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?
Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday. Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.
The only battle they'll have is with the traffic!
Quote from: Tones on April 22, 2024, 12:53:58 PMBut fans have Cold Play to look forward to!
I think I'd rather be stuck in the Clones traffic than suffer that
Donegal v Tyrone fixed for Celtic park. Probably sensible, I just hope the Ulster Council don't oversell the bluebell terrace again. Last weekend felt dangerously overcrowded.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
That Tyrone team have better fire power than most Ulster team, it'll be an interesting game. I hate to say it but the sons of God are a joy to watch.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:46:44 PMThat Tyrone team have better fire power than most Ulster team, it'll be an interesting game. I hate to say it but the sons of God are a joy to watch.
They are brilliant in fairness. The Donegal boys will soon soften them up though!
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
Hampsey pulled the Caavan lad down they showed it after the game it was very clear!
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 22, 2024, 12:46:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 22, 2024, 12:21:32 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 22, 2024, 12:01:59 PMI think Donegal have a big advantage over Tyrone in terms of recovery. Tyrone have a days rest less and extra time in the legs, they will get little or nothing done this week apart from recover work. In any case I think they look to be a team in transition with an awful lot of young players thrown in. I think Donegal could end up winning this match comfortably and set up a repeat of the division 2 national league final.
Agreed. The turnaround time is ridiculous. Was a time supporters could enjoy the win for a week and another week to look forward to the next round. Is a big ask of Tyrone after such a gruelling game players coming off with knocks and hardly time to sort the injuries, then prepare for next Sunday. Donegal had a handy aul run-out, tho well done to them.
It's very much ridiculous. It doesn't allow anyone time for a breath. The games are coming so thick and fast that there's no time for a build up. And supporters become fatigued too and so on. It's just way too compressed
And do you think the players would get recovery time next weekend?
No chance.
Would be on a training camp or spmething similar
Quote from: Taylor on April 22, 2024, 03:58:34 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 22, 2024, 12:46:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 22, 2024, 12:21:32 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 22, 2024, 12:01:59 PMI think Donegal have a big advantage over Tyrone in terms of recovery. Tyrone have a days rest less and extra time in the legs, they will get little or nothing done this week apart from recover work. In any case I think they look to be a team in transition with an awful lot of young players thrown in. I think Donegal could end up winning this match comfortably and set up a repeat of the division 2 national league final.
Agreed. The turnaround time is ridiculous. Was a time supporters could enjoy the win for a week and another week to look forward to the next round. Is a big ask of Tyrone after such a gruelling game players coming off with knocks and hardly time to sort the injuries, then prepare for next Sunday. Donegal had a handy aul run-out, tho well done to them.
It's very much ridiculous. It doesn't allow anyone time for a breath. The games are coming so thick and fast that there's no time for a build up. And supporters become fatigued too and so on. It's just way too compressed
And do you think the players would get recovery time next weekend?
No chance.
Would be on a training camp or spmething similar
They might be but I would say it would be very light, do you not think with all the data available to backroom teams now they aren't managing their training loads ? Especially now the season is so congested
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 22, 2024, 12:07:46 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 22, 2024, 11:37:24 AMIf Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?
Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday. Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.
Down were very poor against westmeath and Antrim recently. They would struggle to beat Fermanagh. Armagh recently trounced Fermanagh and should have beaten a very good Donegal team. It's not BS....
Quote from: downtothecore on April 22, 2024, 05:43:27 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 22, 2024, 12:07:46 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 22, 2024, 11:37:24 AMIf Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?
Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday. Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.
Down were very poor against westmeath and Antrim recently. They would struggle to beat Fermanagh. Armagh recently trounced Fermanagh and should have beaten a very good Donegal team. It's not BS....
Down are shite. If we don't beat them we'd need to be taking a long hard look at ourselves.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
The Cavan player had Hampsey by the leg. If Hampsey had fell to the ground would that have been a black card?
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 22, 2024, 04:37:27 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.
Hampsie was at lynch the whole match, I don't think I've ever seen Paddy in a wrestling match before at a match. There was another blatant black card at the end of full time which was a very poor miss by the ref but I'm not sure would it have carried in extra time?
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 22, 2024, 06:35:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
The Cavan player had Hampsey by the leg. If Hampsey had fell to the ground would that have been a black card?
Yeah, by the rules that would be seen as a trip, whether it's off the ball with the ball up the other end a deliberate trip or pulling someone to the ground you run the risk of a linesman or umpire informing the ref of a black card offence.
It's completely bonkers why an intercounty player in championship would put his team's progress in jeopardy over his manliness ;)
Quote from: Itchy on April 22, 2024, 06:37:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 22, 2024, 04:37:27 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.
Hampsie was at lynch the whole match, I don't think I've ever seen Paddy on a wrestling match before at a match. There was another blatant black card at the end if full time which was a very poor miss by the ref but I'm not sure would it have carried in extra time?
It's in Hampsey to do that as it is with most good defenders and in fairness it worked well, Lynch hadn't much joy for large spells the other day. A top forward like Lynch is going to get that treatment, boys in his fsce letting him know all about it when he misses.
Quote from: Itchy on April 22, 2024, 06:37:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 22, 2024, 04:37:27 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.
Hampsie was at lynch the whole match, I don't think I've ever seen Paddy on a wrestling match before at a match. There was another blatant black card at the end if full time which was a very poor miss by the ref but I'm not sure would it have carried in extra time?
Always carried over into extra time, in that instance the gap between both players for the 'contact' was minimal and sorta on a threshold of body check or accidentally ;) impeded him, body check black card
By the letter of the law it was a pull down. The law was to stop cynical fouls when a player is in loads of space. The play was well away from it. There was two at that and the evidence suggests Hampsey didn't start it. It should have been two yellows.
On the one at the end of extra time, it looked like McKernan(?) wanted to put himself in the way, but that the Cavan player also looked to get the contact too. Does every time a player gives a wee push to another one off the ball, regardless of where the ball is, does that count as a black by the letter of the law because it's impeding. McCurry was pulling up with cramp and a Cavan player bundled him over, is that a black for impeding him? There were a lot of high tackles by Cavan players which went unpunished too which Cavan fans conveniently ignore too.
All this inconsistent application and never ending debates about technical interpreation is tiresome and takes away from the joy of football.
The GAA need to simplify the rules. I think give a black if a player tries to stop a free being taken (as this is a regular tactic to foul and slow the free taken so as to get men back). If a player tries to cynically stop a goal scoring opportunity, be it near the goal or where the team has loads of space in front of them, give a penalty. If a team keeps committing fouls, like rugby, give a black card once a threshold has been passed. Get rid of the forward mark.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 22, 2024, 07:13:44 PMBy the letter of the law it was a pull down. The law was to stop cynical fouls when a player is in loads of space. The play was well away from it. There was two at that and the evidence suggests Hampsey didn't start it. It should have been two yellows.
On the one at the end of extra time, it looked like McKernan(?) wanted to put himself in the way, but that the Cavan player also looked to get the contact too. Does every time a player gives a wee push to another one off the ball, regardless of where the ball is, does that count as a black by the letter of the law because it's impeding. McCurry was pulling up with cramp and a Cavan player bundled him over, is that a black for impeding him? There were a lot of high tackles by Cavan players which went unpunished too which Cavan fans conveniently ignore too.
All this inconsistent application and never ending debates about technical interpreation is tiresome and takes away from the joy of football.
The GAA need to simplify the rules. I think give a black if a player tries to stop a free being taken (as this is a regular tactic to foul and slow the free taken so as to get men back). If a player tries to cynically stop a goal scoring opportunity, be it near the goal or where the team has loads of space in front of them, give a penalty. If a team keeps committing fouls, like rugby, give a black card once a threshold has been passed. Get rid of the forward mark.
You're asking to simplify the rules but then add in rules which will be interpreted differently by every ref lol.
Players play within the rules and we are good to go?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 08:06:33 PMQuote from: HokeyPokey on April 22, 2024, 07:13:44 PMBy the letter of the law it was a pull down. The law was to stop cynical fouls when a player is in loads of space. The play was well away from it. There was two at that and the evidence suggests Hampsey didn't start it. It should have been two yellows.
On the one at the end of extra time, it looked like McKernan(?) wanted to put himself in the way, but that the Cavan player also looked to get the contact too. Does every time a player gives a wee push to another one off the ball, regardless of where the ball is, does that count as a black by the letter of the law because it's impeding. McCurry was pulling up with cramp and a Cavan player bundled him over, is that a black for impeding him? There were a lot of high tackles by Cavan players which went unpunished too which Cavan fans conveniently ignore too.
All this inconsistent application and never ending debates about technical interpreation is tiresome and takes away from the joy of football.
The GAA need to simplify the rules. I think give a black if a player tries to stop a free being taken (as this is a regular tactic to foul and slow the free taken so as to get men back). If a player tries to cynically stop a goal scoring opportunity, be it near the goal or where the team has loads of space in front of them, give a penalty. If a team keeps committing fouls, like rugby, give a black card once a threshold has been passed. Get rid of the forward mark.
You're asking to simplify the rules but then add in rules which will be interpreted differently by every ref lol.
Players play within the rules and we are good to go?
You've just put in a rule now where there is no accurate defintion. What counts as near the goal and loads of space? Just asking for trouble with adding in subjective rules
Quote from: Nanderson on April 22, 2024, 08:38:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 08:06:33 PMQuote from: HokeyPokey on April 22, 2024, 07:13:44 PMBy the letter of the law it was a pull down. The law was to stop cynical fouls when a player is in loads of space. The play was well away from it. There was two at that and the evidence suggests Hampsey didn't start it. It should have been two yellows.
On the one at the end of extra time, it looked like McKernan(?) wanted to put himself in the way, but that the Cavan player also looked to get the contact too. Does every time a player gives a wee push to another one off the ball, regardless of where the ball is, does that count as a black by the letter of the law because it's impeding. McCurry was pulling up with cramp and a Cavan player bundled him over, is that a black for impeding him? There were a lot of high tackles by Cavan players which went unpunished too which Cavan fans conveniently ignore too.
All this inconsistent application and never ending debates about technical interpreation is tiresome and takes away from the joy of football.
The GAA need to simplify the rules. I think give a black if a player tries to stop a free being taken (as this is a regular tactic to foul and slow the free taken so as to get men back). If a player tries to cynically stop a goal scoring opportunity, be it near the goal or where the team has loads of space in front of them, give a penalty. If a team keeps committing fouls, like rugby, give a black card once a threshold has been passed. Get rid of the forward mark.
You're asking to simplify the rules but then add in rules which will be interpreted differently by every ref lol.
Players play within the rules and we are good to go?
You've just put in a rule now where there is no accurate defintion. What counts as near the goal and loads of space? Just asking for trouble with adding in subjective rules
I'm just spitballing, I'm not proposing the exact wording here. I would suggest something along the lines of there being no other outfield player between them and the goal or there being a numerical advantage. I'm not sure the black card is really doing what it was intended to do in these situations. If you are stopping a player from a situation where a goal is likely to be score, surely a penalty would be the fairest recompense? What use is a black card if a team is behind by 3 in the last play of the game etc. Rugby has penalty tries, but not sure that would work in the GAA.
Similar in soccer a red card in the last minute for denying a goal scoring opportunity is hardly a fair punishment and rewards the team who has committed the foul. Same with goalkeepers up to antics in penalty shout outs. If they interfere with the ball etc., just give them an automatic goal. It would soon stop the antics.
If a player is going to get a black card for stopping a free being taken quickly, it would almost certainly stop that behaviour and open the game up more.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:46:44 PMThat Tyrone team have better fire power than most Ulster team, it'll be an interesting game. I hate to say it but the sons of God are a joy to watch.
theres nothing wrong with saying it. He was a superb player and they look to heading the same way
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Is that a black card?
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 10:57:24 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Is that a black card?
In this case the black card should have been to the cavan player. You see Paudie on his hands and knees with the cavan player standingover him preventing him from getting up. Thats a black card for impending a player. Paudie then struggles to get up and when he does he drags him down.
Both were at it and both deserved a yellow.
So to sum up, nobody actually knows the entirety or precisely what happened, but everyone is certain the ref got it wrong or fucked up in order to shaft their team.
Great stuff.
Quote from: gallsman on April 23, 2024, 11:32:29 AMSo to sum up, nobody actually knows the entirety or precisely what happened, but everyone is certain the ref got it wrong or fucked up in order to shaft their team.
Great stuff.
As always ;)
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 23, 2024, 11:25:18 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 10:57:24 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Is that a black card?
In this case the black card should have been to the cavan player. You see Paudie on his hands and knees with the cavan player standingover him preventing him from getting up. Thats a black card for impending a player. Paudie then struggles to get up and when he does he drags him down.
Both were at it and both deserved a yellow.
You're literally making up the rules there.
To receive a black card GAA, a player must commit one of the following offences. Deliberately pull down an opponent. Intentionally trip an opponent with the foot, arm, hand, or leg. To deliberately interfere with a player after they have played the ball away.
Hampsey deliberately pulls down his opponent. This is one case where the referee has got his decision spot on to the letter of the law.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 23, 2024, 11:25:18 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 10:57:24 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Is that a black card?
In this case the black card should have been to the cavan player. You see Paudie on his hands and knees with the cavan player standingover him preventing him from getting up. Thats a black card for impending a player. Paudie then struggles to get up and when he does he drags him down.
Both were at it and both deserved a yellow.
How are we meant to have a serious conversation about tackling and cleaning the game up when you read this stuff?? Fans of a team, and all counties are guilty of it, circling the wagons and defending their own on something that is so clear cut. 1 player pulls another to the ground, it's a black, prob the easiest decision for the ref to make all day long. You pull a man to the ground on or off the ball, hey presto, 6 or 7 years in it's still a black card, who'd have thought it? ..who in their right mind would ref??
Quote from: lenny on April 23, 2024, 11:44:07 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 23, 2024, 11:25:18 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 23, 2024, 10:57:24 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 04:30:06 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2024, 05:15:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 21, 2024, 05:13:27 PMAnother example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?
Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?
To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?
I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV
Is that a black card?
In this case the black card should have been to the cavan player. You see Paudie on his hands and knees with the cavan player standingover him preventing him from getting up. Thats a black card for impending a player. Paudie then struggles to get up and when he does he drags him down.
Both were at it and both deserved a yellow.
You're literally making up the rules there.
To receive a black card GAA, a player must commit one of the following offences. Deliberately pull down an opponent. Intentionally trip an opponent with the foot, arm, hand, or leg. To deliberately interfere with a player after they have played the ball away.
Hampsey deliberately pulls down his opponent. This is one case where the referee has got his decision spot on to the letter of the law.
How is standing over a player stopping them from getting up not deliberately interfering with a player ? By stopping them or tripping them you are deliberately interfering with them.
It should have been 2 yellows in my opinion but if pulling a player down away from play is a black card then so should deliberately interfering with a player.
You're missing the bit 'after they have played the ball away'
Quote from: square_ball on April 23, 2024, 12:02:19 PMYou're missing the bit 'after they have played the ball away'
And the last bit.
Or intentionally taking him out of the movement of play.
I see the Sunday Game hinted at being told by an official that Hampsey had made an abusive gesture after the shot had been missed. That's also a black card offence.
So I think we probably have no clue what the cards were for in order to know if they were correct or not.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 23, 2024, 12:09:54 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 23, 2024, 12:02:19 PMYou're missing the bit 'after they have played the ball away'
And the last bit.
Or intentionally taking him out of the movement of play.
I see the Sunday Game hinted at being told by an official that Hampsey had made an abusive gesture after the shot had been missed. That's also a black card offence.
So I think we probably have no clue what the cards were for in order to know if they were correct or not.
Does that not suggest the ball has to be in play for that to be the case?
Quote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
What "foul" are you talking about here? Was it the one where McShane pressured him into overcarrying? If that was an outfield player vs outfield player it would be called for overcarrying as well. Do you want the keeper to have more protection?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 05:08:36 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:18 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2024, 06:22:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2024, 06:21:07 PMHow the hell is it a free out when 3 players are kneeing on you. Goldrick is a complete balloon
I'd go get your eyesight checked if I were you. The ref won it for you
Are you serious? 5 cavan high challenges unpunished by ref, phantom black card. 40 seconds extra played at end for cavan and the ref won it lol
Black card all day long for pulling down a player. And nothing to say about your final score? The keeper was fouled. That was a free out, not in. And wasn't Cavans last free not a black card and penalty for preventing a goal scoring chance under the new rules? You're being absolutely blind to how he won that for you
What "foul" are you talking about here? Was it the one where McShane pressured him into overcarrying? If that was an outfield player vs outfield player it would be called for overcarrying as well. Do you want the keeper to have more protection?
And he'd already over carried it at least once before that.
Not any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2024, 10:29:02 PMNot any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up
Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 23, 2024, 10:34:46 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.
Glass is some operator. Not too often he doesn't have a massive say in games and steps up when the game is in the melting pot.
Quote from: gallsman on April 23, 2024, 11:32:29 AMSo to sum up, nobody actually knows the entirety or precisely what happened, but everyone is certain the ref got it wrong or fucked up in order to shaft their team.
Great stuff.
I'd say Paddy Lynch has a pretty good idea. He said they were both at it and he was lucky to get a different punishment and that the game turned on the incident.
Tyrone need to deal much better with going down to 14, no doubt about that, but a shocking piece of refereeing.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2024, 10:36:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2024, 10:29:02 PMNot any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up
Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.
When would the concerts happen though?
Quote from: Tones on April 23, 2024, 10:49:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2024, 10:36:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2024, 10:29:02 PMNot any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up
Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.
When would the concerts happen though?
You're a quare man for the concerts! ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2024, 10:36:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2024, 10:29:02 PMNot any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up
Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.
Definitely not, the group stages are when this shadow boxing stops and the real championship begins.
I've seen various calls for provincial champions to go straight into quarter finals and other similar bollox, ludicrously, those calls have tended to be from Ulstermen. Can we not all see how that would simply reinforce the bullshit system we've had for nearly 150 years which sees kerry (and now Dublin too) advance directly to a quarter almost every year whilst the rest of us have to fight tooth and nail to get there?
For me, I'm really looking forward to groups, especially now that we all realise there is jeopardy, progressing is one thing, but progressing as group winners is a serious bonus Vs 2nd or 3rd. It's not perfect, but it's a massive step in the right direction.
Quote from: onefineday on April 24, 2024, 01:25:34 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2024, 10:36:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2024, 10:29:02 PMNot any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up
Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.
Definitely not, the group stages are when this shadow boxing stops and the real championship begins.
I've seen various calls for provincial champions to go straight into quarter finals and other similar bollox, ludicrously, those calls have tended to be from Ulstermen. Can we not all see how that would simply reinforce the bullshit system we've had for nearly 150 years which sees kerry (and now Dublin too) advance directly to a quarter almost every year whilst the rest of us have to fight tooth and nail to get there?
For me, I'm really looking forward to groups, especially now that we all realise there is jeopardy, progressing is one thing, but progressing as group winners is a serious bonus Vs 2nd or 3rd. It's not perfect, but it's a massive step in the right direction.
If you're looking jeopardy then play straight knockout for the last 16.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2024, 10:52:35 PMQuote from: Tones on April 23, 2024, 10:49:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2024, 10:36:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2024, 10:29:02 PMNot any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up
Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.
When would the concerts happen though?
You're a quare man for the concerts! ;)
Only time some folk will get to Croke Park!
Quote from: onefineday on April 24, 2024, 01:25:34 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2024, 10:36:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2024, 10:29:02 PMNot any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up
Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.
Definitely not, the group stages are when this shadow boxing stops and the real championship begins.
I've seen various calls for provincial champions to go straight into quarter finals and other similar bollox, ludicrously, those calls have tended to be from Ulstermen. Can we not all see how that would simply reinforce the bullshit system we've had for nearly 150 years which sees kerry (and now Dublin too) advance directly to a quarter almost every year whilst the rest of us have to fight tooth and nail to get there?
For me, I'm really looking forward to groups, especially now that we all realise there is jeopardy, progressing is one thing, but progressing as group winners is a serious bonus Vs 2nd or 3rd. It's not perfect, but it's a massive step in the right direction.
Where's the Jeopardy in the group stages as soon as they are confirmed the 4 losers will be known.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2024, 10:37:33 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 23, 2024, 10:34:46 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.
Glass is some operator. Not too often he doesn't have a massive say in games and steps up when the game is in the melting pot.
That's exactly what i said lol? He often shows up when it matters in the last minutes of a game but before that i don't think he influences the game as much as other players
Quote from: JoG2 on April 23, 2024, 10:34:46 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.
Do you think Conor Glass consistently impacts the game from start to finish? I don't. As I've said already he takes his game to another level in the last 10/15 minutes if needed but the rest of the game he isn't as influential as Rodgers is say
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 24, 2024, 08:11:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 23, 2024, 10:34:46 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.
Do you think Conor Glass consistently impacts the game from start to finish? I don't. As I've said already he takes his game to another level in the last 10/15 minutes if needed but the rest of the game he isn't as influential as Rodgers is say
You can double down all you want but you are still talking out your hole. I've missed 1 Derry game in the last 2 years,caught a good few Glen games. I know it's a thing to reel against popular opinion etc these days but you'll be in a very very small minority who doesn't think Glass is a player at the very highest level, a rolls royce of a player. Glass is the real deal. The wee 10 mins at the end of games cameo from yourself deserves the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka meme more than any line I've heard in a while
Quote from: JoG2 on April 24, 2024, 08:29:43 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 24, 2024, 08:11:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 23, 2024, 10:34:46 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.
Do you think Conor Glass consistently impacts the game from start to finish? I don't. As I've said already he takes his game to another level in the last 10/15 minutes if needed but the rest of the game he isn't as influential as Rodgers is say
You can double down all you want but you are still talking out your hole. I've missed 1 Derry game in the last 2 years,caught a good few Glen games. I know it's a thing to reel against popular opinion etc these days but you'll be in a very very small minority who doesn't think Glass is a player at the very highest level, a rolls royce of a player. Glass is the real deal. The wee 10 mins at the end of games cameo from yourself deserves the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka meme more than any line I've heard in a while
I can see what he is saying about rodgers though. I think he is better than glass. Admittedly I havent watched as many Derry games as you. Thats nothing against Glass, I think he is fantastic. He looked jaded on Sat evening though. I think he should have rested a bit after the club final.
Sure he's getting plenty of rest now. The rolls royce will be purring again come the group stages.
If you think Rogers is better than Glass thats a fair opinion. Thats different than saying Glass isn't a top player. Saying Glass steps up in big monents in the last 10 minutes of games also isnt the same as saying he isn't influential for the first 50/60 minutes.
Anyway I'll let the Derry men defend him in future lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 24, 2024, 09:13:40 AMIf you think Rogers is better than Glass thats a fair opinion. Thats different than saying Glass isn't a top player. Saying Glass steps up in big monents in the last 10 minutes of games also isnt the same as saying he isn't influential for the first 50/60 minutes.
Anyway I'll let the Derry men defend him in future lol
Glass is a top class operator. To say otherwise is wrong. He did looked jaded at the weekend though
Quote from: JoG2 on April 24, 2024, 08:29:43 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 24, 2024, 08:11:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 23, 2024, 10:34:46 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.
Do you think Conor Glass consistently impacts the game from start to finish? I don't. As I've said already he takes his game to another level in the last 10/15 minutes if needed but the rest of the game he isn't as influential as Rodgers is say
You can double down all you want but you are still talking out your hole. I've missed 1 Derry game in the last 2 years,caught a good few Glen games. I know it's a thing to reel against popular opinion etc these days but you'll be in a very very small minority who doesn't think Glass is a player at the very highest level, a rolls royce of a player. Glass is the real deal. The wee 10 mins at the end of games cameo from yourself deserves the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka meme more than any line I've heard in a while
I'm just giving my opinion mate. There's no need to be so upset about it. I know Glass is a top player, top 10 in the game right now no doubt. I just don't rate him as high as you do. Do you do this every time someone has an opinion you disagree with? "You're talking out of your hole. I'm right, you're wrong".
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 24, 2024, 09:22:45 AMI'm just giving my opinion mate. There's no need to be so upset about it. I know Glass is a top player, top 10 in the game right now no doubt. I just don't rate him as high as you do. Do you do this every time someone has an opinion you disagree with? "You're talking out of your hole. I'm right, you're wrong".
The answer to that is a resounding yes.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 24, 2024, 09:22:45 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 24, 2024, 08:29:43 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 24, 2024, 08:11:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 23, 2024, 10:34:46 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2024, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: God14 on April 20, 2024, 10:22:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2024, 08:13:38 PMJust goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!
Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too
I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes
As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.
Do you think Conor Glass consistently impacts the game from start to finish? I don't. As I've said already he takes his game to another level in the last 10/15 minutes if needed but the rest of the game he isn't as influential as Rodgers is say
You can double down all you want but you are still talking out your hole. I've missed 1 Derry game in the last 2 years,caught a good few Glen games. I know it's a thing to reel against popular opinion etc these days but you'll be in a very very small minority who doesn't think Glass is a player at the very highest level, a rolls royce of a player. Glass is the real deal. The wee 10 mins at the end of games cameo from yourself deserves the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka meme more than any line I've heard in a while
I'm just giving my opinion mate. There's no need to be so upset about it. I know Glass is a top player, top 10 in the game right now no doubt. I just don't rate him as high as you do. Do you do this every time someone has an opinion you disagree with? "You're talking out of your hole. I'm right, you're wrong".
:), I definitely don't, just the very odd time it's merited!
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2024, 09:17:53 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 24, 2024, 09:13:40 AMIf you think Rogers is better than Glass thats a fair opinion. Thats different than saying Glass isn't a top player. Saying Glass steps up in big monents in the last 10 minutes of games also isnt the same as saying he isn't influential for the first 50/60 minutes.
Anyway I'll let the Derry men defend him in future lol
Glass is a top class operator. To say otherwise is wrong. He did looked jaded at the weekend though
Yeah he's one of my favourite players and in the top handful in the country. The man is bound to be burned out though, 2 all ireland semis with Derry and 2 all ireland finals with Glen with very little break. Tough going for anyone.
I dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
Quote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
Some egg on his chin if they end up losing in a quarter or semi final if they got a bad draw!
Quote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
Who ever gets beaten this wknd will have a 3 week break and not be upset?
Quote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
From a Derry perspective I don't think its a massive deal to give up an Ulster title if it means that they can regroup and prepare for a tilt at Sam Maguire. But Mickey Harte will definitely be disappointed on a personal level, after all he is there not for any great love of Derry but for personal achievement, the financial package and his legacy. They will be the team that every provincial winner will want to avoid in the group stages.
As for the Glass debate, watching the match on the TV doesn't actually do him justice in terms of performance. His positional play is second to none and he does a lot of off the ball work that is not the most glamorous to watch but is highly effective for his team. Plus he can play football when needed to as well. He is definitely not a moments player as someone suggested earlier, in fact anything but.
Quote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
This
They'll still be there come the semi finals I reckon
Quote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
Will they definitely be playing in 4 weeks or could it be 5?
Quote from: p3427977 on April 24, 2024, 12:55:58 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
Will they definitely be playing in 4 weeks or could it be 5?
I believe they will be in Pot 3 so first game will be away to the Provincial winners in their group.
if its the Connacht or Munster winner then its the 18th-19th May ( so 4 weeks)
otherwise 25 May (so 5 weeks)
2nd Game on 1st or 2nd June
3rd Game on 15th or 16th June
Club offering in our committee whatsapp 5 tickets for Gerry Arthur Stand on Sat... Weirdly still free. Maybe fellow Down fans don't want another soaking!
Are the lower sections covered from the rain? The AO/BO/CO/DO/EO sections etc?
Or just the section behind?
Quote from: 5times5times on April 24, 2024, 05:06:59 PMClub offering in our committee whatsapp 5 tickets for Gerry Arthur Stand on Sat... Weirdly still free. Maybe fellow Down fans don't want another soaking!
Are the lower sections covered from the rain? The AO/BO/CO/DO/EO sections etc?
Or just the section behind?
There may be a shower or two, heavy rain does not seem likely, although a black cloud does seem follow Down.
Quote from: Dabh on April 24, 2024, 04:10:51 PMQuote from: p3427977 on April 24, 2024, 12:55:58 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
Will they definitely be playing in 4 weeks or could it be 5?
I believe they will be in Pot 3 so first game will be away to the Provincial winners in their group.
if its the Connacht or Munster winner then its the 18th-19th May ( so 4 weeks)
otherwise 25 May (so 5 weeks)
2nd Game on 1st or 2nd June
3rd Game on 15th or 16th June
So Kerry/Dublin/ or Mayo Galway.
If they get either Kerry or Dublin and get a similar 6 or 7 point defeat there will be major questions asked.
They'll want to be getting Mayo or Galway and start off with a signature win.
Quote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
100% correct.
Quote from: grounded on April 24, 2024, 05:48:07 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
100% correct.
I really hope this is the case.
The weight of expectation will have lightened a bit after that defeat.
But time will tell what it has done to the players in terms of confidence. MH needs to learn to change tactics in-game if we are to have a serious chance at it.
Only tactic he needed to change was keeper to the 45, not in midfield, could do with a bit of heave around midfield when up against the heavies. Surprised Dan Higgins can't make the 26. Apparently told the nite, he was dropped to reduce panel numbers.
Can Cavan beat Monaghan? No, of course not.
Can Donegal beat Derry? No, don't be ridiculous.
Can Down surprise Armagh on Saturday? Hello no. Put your house and future salary on the orangemen.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 24, 2024, 05:29:03 PMQuote from: Dabh on April 24, 2024, 04:10:51 PMQuote from: p3427977 on April 24, 2024, 12:55:58 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
Will they definitely be playing in 4 weeks or could it be 5?
I believe they will be in Pot 3 so first game will be away to the Provincial winners in their group.
if its the Connacht or Munster winner then its the 18th-19th May ( so 4 weeks)
otherwise 25 May (so 5 weeks)
2nd Game on 1st or 2nd June
3rd Game on 15th or 16th June
So Kerry/Dublin/ or Mayo Galway.
If they get either Kerry or Dublin and get a similar 6 or 7 point defeat there will be major questions asked.
They'll want to be getting Mayo or Galway and start off with a signature win.
They could also end up with a trip to ballybofey (Omagh, Armagh or Newry), that might be the preference.
Second game at home to Clare and final game v meath in clones.
Presume draw will be made on Monday?
Quote from: yellowcard on April 24, 2024, 11:38:54 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
From a Derry perspective I don't think its a massive deal to give up an Ulster title if it means that they can regroup and prepare for a tilt at Sam Maguire. But Mickey Harte will definitely be disappointed on a personal level, after all he is there not for any great love of Derry but for personal achievement, the financial package and his legacy. They will be the team that every provincial winner will want to avoid in the group stages.
As for the Glass debate, watching the match on the TV doesn't actually do him justice in terms of performance. His positional play is second to none and he does a lot of off the ball work that is not the most glamorous to watch but is highly effective for his team. Plus he can play football when needed to as well. He is definitely not a moments player as someone suggested earlier, in fact anything but.
Agree with that, the defensive work he does, covering ground and space is immense, a total team player, he does whatever he thinks will help the team achieve the results. Regularly sacrifices his own game for the good of the game.
Rodgers is an excellent footballer too, but brings something entirely different.
All that said, I'm sure both will admit, Saturday was neither's finest hour!
Quote from: onefineday on April 25, 2024, 12:10:54 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 24, 2024, 11:38:54 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
From a Derry perspective I don't think its a massive deal to give up an Ulster title if it means that they can regroup and prepare for a tilt at Sam Maguire. But Mickey Harte will definitely be disappointed on a personal level, after all he is there not for any great love of Derry but for personal achievement, the financial package and his legacy. They will be the team that every provincial winner will want to avoid in the group stages.
As for the Glass debate, watching the match on the TV doesn't actually do him justice in terms of performance. His positional play is second to none and he does a lot of off the ball work that is not the most glamorous to watch but is highly effective for his team. Plus he can play football when needed to as well. He is definitely not a moments player as someone suggested earlier, in fact anything but.
Agree with that, the defensive work he does, covering ground and space is immense, a total team player, he does whatever he thinks will help the team achieve the results. Regularly sacrifices his own game for the good of the game.
Rodgers is an excellent footballer too, but brings something entirely different.
All that said, I'm sure both will admit, Saturday was neither's finest hour!
I'm not saying teams would throw a match so that the timing of their training is to peak for the latter stages.
But I remember a team (some time back) having a peculiar heavy set of training sessions leading up to a championship match, in the game they were very heavy legged, but cone back door, they were in better shape, hit peak condition when it mattered
I didn't see the Derry/Donegal match, but I am seriously impressed by any team allegedly out played who's best players were stymied but still managed 17 points. Goals win games but can be prevented. it was 15 scores to 17.
Quote from: Orior on April 24, 2024, 10:35:59 PMCan Cavan beat Monaghan? No, of course not.
Can Donegal beat Derry? No, don't be ridiculous.
Can Down surprise Armagh on Saturday? Hello no. Put your house and future salary on the orangemen.
I didn't hear too many people dismissing Donegal before the Derry match or indeed Cavan before the Monaghan game.
That means Down are a shoe in.
A bit of reality for majority of you is Derry had 34 shots or something like that and most dropped short or wide, Derry will not concede similar goals like last week and will be tighter. Everything went right for Donegal on the day and I wouldn't get too caught up on the result. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle where Derry are better than they showed and Donegal are just not as far down the road as that result showed but they are a serious team who will only get better as the season goes on. Sin é.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2024, 09:12:54 AMI didn't see the Derry/Donegal match, but I am seriously impressed by any team allegedly out played who's best players were stymied but still managed 17 points. Goals win games but can be prevented. it was 15 scores to 17.
We got about 4/5 scores at the end of the match when it was already over to take the bad look off it. 17/34 attempts for Derry - awful percentages. A lot of that was down to how much pressure Donegal put on us, but we were generally poor.
Be under no doubt, this was a 6 point hammering.
I hope we can recover and a lot of talk going on about Harte being in this position before and going on to do big things, but I'm not so sure if he's to credit for that.
I still have huge faith in the players, including Lynch who has been unfairly picked out for criticism in my view. I don't think we'll be as bad again, but can we recover enough to really challenge an AI?
As for Armagh game...Armagh will always give you good chances in a game and if you take most of them then you'll be in touching distance, if you fail they'll have a wee spell where they can pull away from you easily and game could be over (this is for the lesser teams BTW). Armagh are very unpredictable and could win by 1-2 pts or 15pts it's all down to the other teams taking the chances Armagh give them in the game.
What we have seen so far in Ulster is the favourite's are getting their balls slapped so hope this is different and Armagh have taken note of the previous weeks, a sending off or lose goal or two and anything can happen but I expect Armagh to win by 5-6pts as they should have too much for Down
Lynch's positioning aside, Donegal would've scored a few goals anyway:
First goal - certain goal regardless of Lynch. Donegal had 6 men level/ahead of the ball to Derry's 3.
Second goal - certain point opportunity, probably wouldn't have engineered a goal for this one as Donegal didn't have the same numbers in attack.
Third goal - penalty (not inside the box) but Lynch was in goals.
Fourth goal - Donegal would have had a shot on goal, think they had 5 level/ahead of the ball to Derry's 3.
The problem was much deeper than Lynch's positioning.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2024, 09:12:54 AMI didn't see the Derry/Donegal match, but I am seriously impressed by any team allegedly out played who's best players were stymied but still managed 17 points. Goals win games but can be prevented. it was 15 scores to 17.
Derry were ten points down going into injury time and knocked over four points after that when the game was gone.
But yeah, the goals they conceded were ludicrous and it wont take a whole lot to prevent a repeat.
Quote from: illdecide on April 25, 2024, 09:38:06 AMAs for Armagh game...Armagh will always give you good chances in a game and if you take most of them then you'll be in touching distance, if you fail they'll have a wee spell where they can pull away from you easily and game could be over (this is for the lesser teams BTW). Armagh are very unpredictable and could win by 1-2 pts or 15pts it's all down to the other teams taking the chances Armagh give them in the game.
What we have seen so far in Ulster is the favourite's are getting their balls slapped so hope this is different and Armagh have taken note of the previous weeks, a sending off or lose goal or two and anything can happen but I expect Armagh to win by 5-6pts as they should have too much for Down
not exactly true as we didnt have any issues against Fermanagh
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 25, 2024, 12:00:17 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 25, 2024, 09:38:06 AMAs for Armagh game...Armagh will always give you good chances in a game and if you take most of them then you'll be in touching distance, if you fail they'll have a wee spell where they can pull away from you easily and game could be over (this is for the lesser teams BTW). Armagh are very unpredictable and could win by 1-2 pts or 15pts it's all down to the other teams taking the chances Armagh give them in the game.
What we have seen so far in Ulster is the favourite's are getting their balls slapped so hope this is different and Armagh have taken note of the previous weeks, a sending off or lose goal or two and anything can happen but I expect Armagh to win by 5-6pts as they should have too much for Down
not exactly true as we didnt have any issues against Fermanagh
And realistically you shouldn't have any issues on Saturday evening either
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2024, 09:12:54 AMI didn't see the Derry/Donegal match, but I am seriously impressed by any team allegedly out played who's best players were stymied but still managed 17 points. Goals win games but can be prevented. it was 15 scores to 17.
I can never understand this post match analysis which counts the number of scores rather than total up the number of points. There is a reason why a goal is worth 3 points and that is because they are supposed to be much more difficult to score.
Mickey Harte has yet to prove that he can adapt tactically to prevent goal chances against his side while still carrying a goal threat at the other end of the pitch. He did neither last weekend.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 25, 2024, 02:36:36 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2024, 09:12:54 AMI didn't see the Derry/Donegal match, but I am seriously impressed by any team allegedly out played who's best players were stymied but still managed 17 points. Goals win games but can be prevented. it was 15 scores to 17.
I can never understand this post match analysis which counts the number of scores rather than total up the number of points. There is a reason why a goal is worth 3 points and that is because they are supposed to be much more difficult to score.
Mickey Harte has yet to prove that he can adapt tactically to prevent goal chances against his side while still carrying a goal threat at the other end of the pitch. He did neither last weekend.
The latter was in no small part to the way Donegal set up. Derry was scoring goals for fun coming into last weekends game.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 25, 2024, 12:00:17 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 25, 2024, 09:38:06 AMAs for Armagh game...Armagh will always give you good chances in a game and if you take most of them then you'll be in touching distance, if you fail they'll have a wee spell where they can pull away from you easily and game could be over (this is for the lesser teams BTW). Armagh are very unpredictable and could win by 1-2 pts or 15pts it's all down to the other teams taking the chances Armagh give them in the game.
What we have seen so far in Ulster is the favourite's are getting their balls slapped so hope this is different and Armagh have taken note of the previous weeks, a sending off or lose goal or two and anything can happen but I expect Armagh to win by 5-6pts as they should have too much for Down
not exactly true as we didnt have any issues against Fermanagh
True, but Fermanagh didn't take the early chances we gave them
I see that the Derry Journal journalist wrote an article complaining about Derry fans reaction to the defeat. He said that they aren't real supporters. That is rich for him to say, he probably gets free tickets to the games. It is his job to go to the games.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 25, 2024, 02:36:36 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2024, 09:12:54 AMI didn't see the Derry/Donegal match, but I am seriously impressed by any team allegedly out played who's best players were stymied but still managed 17 points. Goals win games but can be prevented. it was 15 scores to 17.
I can never understand this post match analysis which counts the number of scores rather than total up the number of points. There is a reason why a goal is worth 3 points and that is because they are supposed to be much more difficult to score.
Mickey Harte has yet to prove that he can adapt tactically to prevent goal chances against his side while still carrying a goal threat at the other end of the pitch. He did neither last weekend.
The total number of scores is vs the actual score can give a view on the game though. If I score 10pts and you score 4 goals, I've got 6 more scores, so likely had more possession in the scoring zone than you did, but didn't create goal chances. Whereas you had less possession in the scoring zone but did create goal chances. It's just a form of comparison, doesn't dilute the margin of victory.
The scoring statistics I always think is a better stat comparatively speaking. Derry with 17/34 chances tells a story in itself.
I do agree with your comment on Harte though.
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/conor-laverty-down-wanted-ulster-semi-final-in-newry-or-armagh-2QBCPLRMBFGZDHPISRSMYPU26A/
Interesting one. Seems the offer was there for a coin flip for Newry or Armagh was there. Down were up for it but Armagh said no. Bad form from Armagh county board or whoever made that call if so.
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on April 25, 2024, 09:52:35 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/conor-laverty-down-wanted-ulster-semi-final-in-newry-or-armagh-2QBCPLRMBFGZDHPISRSMYPU26A/
Interesting one. Seems the offer was there for a coin flip for Newry or Armagh was there. Down were up for it but Armagh said no. Bad form from Armagh county board or whoever made that call if so.
Kilcoo cute hoorism. Bit late bringing it up now Laverty. Although Newry or Armagh would have been far handier.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 25, 2024, 10:01:02 PMQuote from: AnDúnAbú94 on April 25, 2024, 09:52:35 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/conor-laverty-down-wanted-ulster-semi-final-in-newry-or-armagh-2QBCPLRMBFGZDHPISRSMYPU26A/
Interesting one. Seems the offer was there for a coin flip for Newry or Armagh was there. Down were up for it but Armagh said no. Bad form from Armagh county board or whoever made that call if so.
Kilcoo cute hoorism. Bit late bringing it up now Laverty. Although Newry or Armagh would have been far handier.
In fairness, from my reading of that, it seems like he was asked about it and gave an answer rather than trying to play mind games or anything.
Newry or Armagh would have had a full house so opportunity lost for good crowd and atmosphere. I guess the mighty Armagh would prefer a trot out in clones to help prepare for the ulster final...
It's laughable to hear Laverty citing economic reasons for wanting the teams to toss for home venue. The reality is that he hoped to win the toss and play the game in Newry where he thought they might have a chance, it's got nothing to do with economic reasons.
Most supporters would have been happy with that arrangement given the cost and inconvenience of travelling to Clones but if last year is anything to go by, the Down fans will be vastly outnumbered. Plus Armagh have a good record in Clones and I'm not sure whether Down have a great record. Laverty knows that so he wanted to give his side the best possible chance which is understandable. He is just being disingenuous for the reason.
Good idea that why not toss for a home venue in Semi Finals?!
Quote from: screenexile on April 26, 2024, 12:07:33 AMGood idea that why not toss for a home venue in Semi Finals?!
On a related note, is the first time Celtic park has been used as a venue for a non-Derry championship game? I can't recall any other occasion anyway.
Quote from: onefineday on April 26, 2024, 01:12:23 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2024, 12:07:33 AMGood idea that why not toss for a home venue in Semi Finals?!
On a related note, is the first time Celtic park has been used as a venue for a non-Derry championship game? I can't recall any other occasion anyway.
It would be suitable for Donegal/Tyrone, Donegal/Antrim to Tyrone/Antrim games, but the latter rarely arise and a Tyrone/Antrim game could also be reasonably played in the Athletic Grounds.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 26, 2024, 09:28:16 AMQuote from: onefineday on April 26, 2024, 01:12:23 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2024, 12:07:33 AMGood idea that why not toss for a home venue in Semi Finals?!
On a related note, is the first time Celtic park has been used as a venue for a non-Derry championship game? I can't recall any other occasion anyway.
It would be suitable for Donegal/Tyrone, Donegal/Antrim to Tyrone/Antrim games, but the latter rarely arise and a Tyrone/Antrim game could also be reasonably played in the Athletic Grounds.
Toilets, changing rooms etc a bit dated, but Celtic Pk is an amazing arena to watch football. Hoping to get along to the game on Sunday, should be a tight battle
Quote from: downtothecore on April 25, 2024, 10:20:37 PMNewry or Armagh would have had a full house so opportunity lost for good crowd and atmosphere. I guess the mighty Armagh would prefer a trot out in clones to help prepare for the ulster final...
Will you be eating your half time ice cream in the car like last year?
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A return to the squad for Rafferty and Shane
Whatever the opposite of cute hoorism is, a lot of Armagh fans on this board have it in abundance.
Cute hoorism on fans forums has often been known to swing matches either way.
Quote from: downtothecore on April 25, 2024, 10:20:37 PMNewry or Armagh would have had a full house so opportunity lost for good crowd and atmosphere. I guess the mighty Armagh would prefer a trot out in clones to help prepare for the ulster final...
Newry/Armagh wouldn't be fair on Down given that Pairc Essler is in Armagh ;D County that is.
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 26, 2024, 11:20:09 AMWhatever the opposite of cute hoorism is, a lot of Armagh fans on this board have it in abundance.
I'm not gonna come on here and start talking up Down, I'm calling it as I see it, they are shite and if we can't beat them we would be as well playing Tailteann. Obviously we'd like to think that players and management won't be complacent at all and come in 100% ready to win.
Given last weekends results you can never count a team out of the equation before a ball has been kicked. Down are certainly improved on last year, but probably still a level below Armagh at the moment.
The Donegal/Tyrone game much harder to call, but hard not to see Donegal winning that either.
Gonna go out on a ledge here, and take Tyrone to beat Donegal by a couple. Armagh be too strong than Down but not he as much in it as people think.
Peter Harte, Conor Meyler and Frank Burns remains out injured for Tyrone. Conn Kilpatrick back and named on the bench.
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Donegal 26
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Down
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Armagh v Down - DOWN 4-2 on penalties
Donegal v Tyrone - TYRONE by 2
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 26, 2024, 11:20:09 AMWhatever the opposite of cute hoorism is, a lot of Armagh fans on this board have it in abundance.
Its called giving an honest opinion.
Armagh to win by 7 and Donegal to win by 8 this weekend.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2024, 12:48:59 PMArmagh v Down - DOWN 4-2 on penalties
Donegal v Tyrone - TYRONE by 2
I almost hope it does go to penalties to see how Armagh cope with that.
But, to be fair, I think they'll have too much for Down, though I don't think there'll be that much in it.
As for Donegal v Tyrone, can't see Tyrone doing it. 2 years ago Donegal were narrowly beaten by Derry in the Ulster final. They had a blip last year with management issues, but they are getting back to where they were. Tyrone on the other hand, seem to be slipping back and I'm not convinced by the management team. I'd imagine Donegal won't be as "up" for this match, but I still can't see anything other than a Donegal win here, maybe even a comfortable one at that.
Who's the ref in both games?
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 26, 2024, 02:47:35 PMWho's the ref in both games?
Tomorrow Liam Devenney (Mayo) and Sunday Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Can't see down even making a game of it
I don't think they'll even field!
Armagh v Down - DOWN to win 6-0 on penalties
Donegal v Tyrone - Donegal by 5
Anyone know where I could watch the down v Armagh game in Manchester?
Quote from: knockitdown on April 27, 2024, 03:38:30 PMAnyone know where I could watch the down v Armagh game in Manchester?
Get the bbc app and download a VPN
Commentator just informed us that if you exclude the game Armagh lost, then they are unbeaten this year.
Armagh struggling to work Down out so far
Christ I thought there would have been less of this with teams like Armagh?!
Absolutely dire stuff.
Might dab a bit of paint on the wall and watch it dry if this keeps up.
Pure dung so far as entertainment goes.
2 points 20 minutes
Rian stil cant tackle.
Quick thought, does the team who fouls and hurts a player benefit under the new rules as in the player who was hurt has to go off for treatment and their team are down 1 player in the interim?
This is shite
Down forwards turning away from the shot and into the tackle every time.
Havoren poor on the frees.
Down and Armagh doing their absolute best to ensure people find better things to do - or just about anything else to do - than watch Gaelic Football.
Our sport is fucked beyond words.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2024, 05:44:46 PMDown and Armagh doing their absolute best to ensure people find better things to do - or just about anything else to do - than watch Gaelic Football.
Our sport is fucked beyond words.
Wouldnt say that. Counties now simply hire too many games who are shite and who focus far too much on defense rather that attack.
Armagh county board are mad to be paying mcgeary for 10 years
Quote from: Gael85 on April 27, 2024, 05:44:36 PMHavoren poor on the frees.
And that one the worst of the lot.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2024, 05:48:10 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2024, 05:44:46 PMDown and Armagh doing their absolute best to ensure people find better things to do - or just about anything else to do - than watch Gaelic Football.
Our sport is fucked beyond words.
Wouldnt say that. Counties now simply hire too many games who are shite and who focus far too much on defense rather that attack.
Armagh county board are mad to be paying mcgeary for 10 years
They would be if that's who they were paying
That's atrocious free taking.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 27, 2024, 05:44:36 PMHavoren poor on the frees.
Yip. You'd be raging if an u14 missed that one.
Campbell should have taken point.
Absolute scutter and the ref is useless.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2024, 05:53:33 PMAbsolute scutter and the ref is useless.
Ref has been horrible but Armagh have been shite so far!
That Down goal might get a bit more football breaking out, a real cagey affair up to that point.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 27, 2024, 05:50:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2024, 05:48:10 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2024, 05:44:46 PMDown and Armagh doing their absolute best to ensure people find better things to do - or just about anything else to do - than watch Gaelic Football.
Our sport is fucked beyond words.
Wouldnt say that. Counties now simply hire too many games who are shite and who focus far too much on defense rather that attack.
Armagh county board are mad to be paying mcgeary for 10 years
They would be if that's who they were paying
Lol my bad, silly typo. Although to be fair it would have the same effect, 3 points in 36 minutes
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2024, 05:40:34 PMRian stil cant tackle.
Quick thought, does the team who fouls and hurts a player benefit under the new rules as in the player who was hurt has to go off for treatment and their team are down 1 player in the interim?
Have said this a few times, there's no benefit to the team that loses a player in that moment and it will mean more players will get up and play on without treatment when they need it
Quote from: screenexile on April 27, 2024, 05:55:12 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2024, 05:53:33 PMAbsolute scutter and the ref is useless.
Ref has been horrible but Armagh have been shite so far!
Can't blame the ref for this shite
How is there only 2 minutes injury time? Down lads lying down every few minutes. Aidan Forker having a good game.
Can they just go straight to penalties and put this game out of its misery?
Half time Armagh 0-5 Down 1-2.
Armagh would appear to be surprised that Down can and will crunch them in the tackle.
Ref seems to prefer Down's tackling style.
Awful boring game that highlights just how wrong it is that our game rewards teams for playing keep ball.
Football is fucked.
Down going down the Red Star Belgrade route. Armagh look annoyed, might spark this shit show into life
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 05:58:22 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 27, 2024, 05:55:12 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2024, 05:53:33 PMAbsolute scutter and the ref is useless.
Ref has been horrible but Armagh have been shite so far!
Can't blame the ref for this shite
He made the wrong call with the free in front of the benches before the goal (it wasn't easy to see the Armagh player had got the ball, from his angle, before hitting the Down player in the back), but yeah, the teams need to look at themselves.
Ref v poor
Down adopting kilcoo diving tactics with throwing arm up
Havern awful free kick style
Armagh woeful
Looked like McGeeney was telling the ref that the scuffle is his fault. Few choice words there.
So you said yourself it wasn't easy to see. That's all you have to say.
There was 2 points in this game at 21 minutes or more.
Pure puke
Down a lot harder to break down than Fermanagh was. Poor match 2nd half can only improve.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 05:57:05 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2024, 05:40:34 PMRian stil cant tackle.
Quick thought, does the team who fouls and hurts a player benefit under the new rules as in the player who was hurt has to go off for treatment and their team are down 1 player in the interim?
Have said this a few times, there's no benefit to the team that loses a player in that moment and it will mean more players will get up and play on without treatment when they need it
Spot on. A player does a hard challenge and picks up a yellow while the opposition goes down to 14 men for a few minutes. Almost worth a few yellows towards the end of a game
Quote from: J70 on April 27, 2024, 06:01:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 05:58:22 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 27, 2024, 05:55:12 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2024, 05:53:33 PMAbsolute scutter and the ref is useless.
Ref has been horrible but Armagh have been shite so far!
Can't blame the ref for this shite
He made the wrong call with the free in front of the benches before the goal (it wasn't easy to see the Armagh player had got the ball, from his angle, before hitting the Down player in the back), but yeah, the teams need to look at themselves.
Free was for Doherty being emptied on the sideline by 3rd man in when nowhere near the ball.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on April 27, 2024, 06:06:14 PMQuote from: J70 on April 27, 2024, 06:01:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 05:58:22 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 27, 2024, 05:55:12 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2024, 05:53:33 PMAbsolute scutter and the ref is useless.
Ref has been horrible but Armagh have been shite so far!
Can't blame the ref for this shite
He made the wrong call with the free in front of the benches before the goal (it wasn't easy to see the Armagh player had got the ball, from his angle, before hitting the Down player in the back), but yeah, the teams need to look at themselves.
Free was for Doherty being emptied on the sideline by 3rd man in when nowhere near the ball.
If that's the case, I stand corrected.
Anyone thinks football doesn't need rule changes after watching that shite needs their head looked at!
Absolute negative crap!
Quote from: guevara on April 27, 2024, 06:19:11 PMAnyone thinks football doesn't need rule changes after watching that shite needs their head looked at!
Absolute negative crap!
Change it to what though? They've been changing it for years.
45 minutes played Armagh 0-8 Down 1-4.
Real scrappy goal for Down but won't care, 2-4 to 0-8
Jesus 2-3 business days to give that goal
Surely the Down 11 rugby tackling the Armagh full back over the goal line should have invalidated that goal?
Great score by Ryan Johnson.
55 minutes played Down 2-5 Armagh 0-10
If down keep running at them there's more goals.
Armagh getting some handy frees.
Ref is BRUTAL!
That's a poor call there on Duffy.
Armagh are an odd bunch.
Down are hardwired to managerial instructions, to the point of boredom. But there's still 3-4 of them will go off script.
Only Rian does similar for Armagh. Even Grugan, Campbell and Burns have stuck rigidly to the script today.
Quote from: square_ball on April 27, 2024, 06:39:04 PMThat's a poor call there on Duffy.
That was a poor spot
12,116 the attendance. Down two points ahead.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 06:40:04 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 27, 2024, 06:39:04 PMThat's a poor call there on Duffy.
That was a poor spot
Players haven't learned yet the ref is taking no backchat.
Down a poor team, what's that say about Armagh, and the dire crap they continue to play. McGeeney may go after this year.
Basically any time Down have kicked the ball forward they've lost it!
Down 2-6 Armagh 0-12 sides are level.
What's the point of claiming a mark if you are not able to kick it over the bar?
Big impact from Armagh bench.
Thank f**k that's over
If Down had a free taker or a forward of any use they'd have won that game with ease.
Armagh atrocious.
Jason Duffy wins it in added time for Armagh, FT Down 2-6 Armagh 0-13
Down missed frees and late wide from Laverty after taking mark proved very costly.
Got out of jail there.
Down played out of their skins.
Armagh are a limited side, a different ref today and they were bate.
To think the Kilcoo boys thought they were too good for the Down team. Johnston just fell over at the end there.
Armagh were awful but Down are a dreadful outfit. Would have been a travesty to see them in the AI series.
Down made some poor decisions in last quarter, they should've won that.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 27, 2024, 06:58:32 PMIf Down had a free taker or a forward of any use they'd have won that game with ease.
Armagh atrocious.
But they won. That's the main thing. And they came out the right side of a tight game. Hopefully that'll stand to them
Two very bad goals given away made things more difficult for Armagh however a get out of jail card used and after that performance should be zero expectation to win the Ulster final.
That last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 27, 2024, 06:59:33 PMGot out of jail there.
Down played out of their skins.
Armagh are a limited side, a different ref today and they were bate.
A different ref and Armagh win that game comfortably despite playing awful football.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 27, 2024, 06:59:33 PM.
Down played out of their skins.
What. Down were dreadful.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2024, 06:00:08 PMArmagh would appear to be surprised that Down can and will crunch them in the tackle.
Ref seems to prefer Down's tackling style.
Awful boring game that highlights just how wrong it is that our game rewards teams for playing keep ball.
Football is fucked.
Did you not say you weren't watching another game this year? Or maybe that was some other negative Nelly
Fully expected a shit fest and that's what it was, mainly because Down came with a targeted gameplan that they nearly executed, but the 2 poor goals clouds things a bit, plus they really were helped by some very generous refereeing decisions - directly responsible for 1.1, f**k nows what he was at there at the end.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 27, 2024, 07:04:20 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2024, 06:00:08 PMArmagh would appear to be surprised that Down can and will crunch them in the tackle.
Ref seems to prefer Down's tackling style.
Awful boring game that highlights just how wrong it is that our game rewards teams for playing keep ball.
Football is fucked.
Did you not say you weren't watching another game this year? Or maybe that was some other negative Nelly
Don't think I'd have said that. I wouldn't know what else to do with my life.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
Three times in the game he over turned frees awarded to Armagh and let's not mention the on the ground he gave with the ball a foot in the air
Quote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2024, 07:07:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
Three times in the game he over turned frees awarded to Armagh and let's not mention the on the ground he gave with the ball a foot in the air
But he also gave Armagh a few soft ones.
On balance I think Down did better out of his decisions. But the referee wasn't a determinant factor in the score line of this game, not even remotely close.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2024, 07:07:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
Three times in the game he over turned frees awarded to Armagh and let's not mention the on the ground he gave with the ball a foot in the air
Someone should check and see if his mums from Down ;D
Armagh crap
Down crapper
Referee crappest
Awful stuff. Awful unambitious ugly football from Down. Awful pedestrian attempt to counteract that from Armagh. All made incalculably worse by a truly awful referee.
Down more competitive, but not sure where they're planning to go with that type of football.
Armagh have A LOT to work on before the Ulster final. Patience shown pulling a tight result out of the bag will maybe stand to them. Rian looks to be coming back into a bit of form. And a decent bench impact. But so much of everything else was dreadful.
Bad display from the ref indeed.
Armagh were bad and got through it, a better team and they were gone.
O O'Neil needs to be starting the final, to good to be on the bench from the start
And 13 people on this forum think Armagh will win the AI. Tyrone and Donegal will be licking their lips to get to an Ulster final now.
Will that video nasty be shown on the BBC iplayer.?
2 very similar ability teams
Quote from: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 07:22:04 PM2 very similar ability teams
I thought it was a decent team with a solid game plan against a slightly better team with no clue,
Assuming the final is Armagh Donegal, I'm not expecting a spectacle.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2024, 07:09:43 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2024, 07:07:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
Three times in the game he over turned frees awarded to Armagh and let's not mention the on the ground he gave with the ball a foot in the air
But he also gave Armagh a few soft ones.
On balance I think Down did better out of his decisions. But the referee wasn't a determinant factor in the score line of this game, not even remotely close.
Definitely Armagh got a few soft ones and very fortunate I thought to get the foul on the left side in the 2nd half but that was one which Rian missed. I think Down lost because they shot themselves in the foot with poor decisions in the latter part of the game, such as the mark a bit to the left where the kicked hadn't a hope in hell of scoring a point.
At least the rivalry is starting to return....
Quote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2024, 07:07:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
Three times in the game he over turned frees awarded to Armagh and let's not mention the on the ground he gave with the ball a foot in the air
Granted those were 2 bad decisions.
But Armagh were handed 4 or 5 really soft frees about 14yards out at the start of that 2nd half. I thought Armagh got away with some late hits and off the ball hits too.
I thought the Down goals were good goals, moving the ball fast to off the shoulder runners. That's brilliant stuff.
Armagh could do with a bit of that.
They still might win Ulster, but I think they're a poor side.
Down goals were a comedy of errors defensively. There was some running and handpassing in the build up, nothing more.
Genuinely shocked at how much credit people are trying to give down. They turned up to play as little football as possible, and when they did, were largely terrible at it.
That was an awful game. On the upside I think that's the quickest I've ever got home from Clones.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 06:26:07 PMQuote from: guevara on April 27, 2024, 06:19:11 PMAnyone thinks football doesn't need rule changes after watching that shite needs their head looked at!
Absolute negative crap!
Change it to what though? They've been changing it for years.
It needs something because that was pure crap! And do you know what? Some Intercounty Managers will have watched that and think Down played well.
You've two Managers there on the guts of £80k a year....allegedly & thats the shite they serve up. Football has gone backward so much.
When you've an intercounty player unable to put the ball over the bar from 25 metres something is badly wrong.
What the answer is I don't know but maybe a rule were once play enters an opponents half you can't go back into your own.
You must maintain a minimum number of players in the opponents half.
Scrap that forward mark!
Quote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 08:13:30 PMDown goals were a comedy of errors defensively. There was some running and handpassing in the build up, nothing more.
Genuinely shocked at how much credit people are trying to give down. They turned up to play as little football as possible, and when they did, were largely terrible at it.
Agree with that, they setup to make sure armagh couldn't play, and were aiming for a smash and grab, which they nearly got. Some alright passages of play to be fair, but as a whole they weren't good
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 27, 2024, 08:29:17 PMQuote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 08:13:30 PMDown goals were a comedy of errors defensively. There was some running and handpassing in the build up, nothing more.
Genuinely shocked at how much credit people are trying to give down. They turned up to play as little football as possible, and when they did, were largely terrible at it.
Agree with that, they setup to make sure armagh couldn't play, and were aiming for a smash and grab, which they nearly got. Some alright passages of play to be fair, but as a whole they weren't good
Armagh were brutal too
I wouldn't butter that display up with Down were negative and that's why blah blah..
Teams set up against Dublin most games to dull it down..
It's how you get past that tactic and Armagh were found wanting for 70 minutes
Quote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 08:13:30 PMDown goals were a comedy of errors defensively. There was some running and handpassing in the build up, nothing more.
Genuinely shocked at how much credit people are trying to give down. They turned up to play as little football as possible, and when they did, were largely terrible at it.
Down turned up with tactics to keep Armagh out. What should they have done? Gone man-to-man for a spectacle? That statement in bold is a nonsense comment.
Down defended their goal, Donegal did that last week but had a kickout tactic and broke at pace - which won them the game. That's since been lauded as a tactical masterclass as Donegal got the tactics right to stifle Derry's attack and get over the press.
Down had a tactic of stifling the Armagh attack and then run at them at pace - it almost worked. A better team using the same tactic will beat Armagh as they can't cope with pace at the back.
Just my opinion.
Some people on here would want to wise up a small bit. That game was a team early in their development setting up to exploit a much better team's weaknesses. And they nearly succeeded. Not every game is going to be a classic, there'll be some boring games to watch. We're the only sport in the world where every boring game is met by calls for rule changes. If Tyrone Donegal is brilliant tomorrow, the same people will be on about how much they enjoyed it. Leave the rules alone and let the sport develop ffs.
On a sourer note, the actions of the armagh contingent on the hill is becoming a black mark against the county.
Riot police had their hands full all afternoon. An embarrassment and unlikely even affiliated with any clubs.
Stay well clear ulster final day!
Quote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 06:59:38 PMTo think the Kilcoo boys thought they were too good for the Down team. Johnston just fell over at the end there.
Armagh were awful but Down are a dreadful outfit. Would have been a travesty to see them in the AI series.
Some speak from an Antrim man.
It wasn't a matter of any sort of Down tactical masterclass shutting out Armagh and nearly pulling it off. Armagh were f**king brutal, O'Neill aside who was half decent. They should still have won the game pulling up. Has nothing to do with them "not being let play" or anything of the sort.
Down need a bit of S&C from the looks of things.
Quote from: No1 on April 27, 2024, 09:32:15 PMQuote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 06:59:38 PMTo think the Kilcoo boys thought they were too good for the Down team. Johnston just fell over at the end there.
Armagh were awful but Down are a dreadful outfit. Would have been a travesty to see them in the AI series.
Some speak from an Antrim man.
Good one.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 27, 2024, 09:29:02 PMOn a sourer note, the actions of the armagh contingent on the hill is becoming a black mark against the county.
Riot police had their hands full all afternoon. An embarrassment and unlikely even affiliated with any clubs.
Stay well clear ulster final day!
The jeering during the National Anthem was not something that you would see in the Athletic Grounds, even in a full house.
Quote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 08:13:30 PMDown goals were a comedy of errors defensively. There was some running and handpassing in the build up, nothing more.
Genuinely shocked at how much credit people are trying to give down. They turned up to play as little football as possible, and when they did, were largely terrible at it.
Thomas Niblock has called it a phenomenal performance from Down on Twitter. I think your assessment is closer to the truth about their performance.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 27, 2024, 09:29:02 PMOn a sourer note, the actions of the armagh contingent on the hill is becoming a black mark against the county.
Riot police had their hands full all afternoon. An embarrassment and unlikely even affiliated with any clubs.
Stay well clear ulster final day!
There's riot police at GAA matches now?
Quote from: square_ball on April 27, 2024, 09:49:08 PMThomas Niblock has called it a phenomenal performance from Down on Twitter.
Lol. Complete nonsense. Armagh were brutal but got away with it because they're levels above the Down team they played. Not much more do it.
Has the Ulster Championship shown up that none of the teams are fit enough to win a all-Ireland?
Quote from: square_ball on April 27, 2024, 09:49:08 PMQuote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 08:13:30 PMDown goals were a comedy of errors defensively. There was some running and handpassing in the build up, nothing more.
Genuinely shocked at how much credit people are trying to give down. They turned up to play as little football as possible, and when they did, were largely terrible at it.
Thomas Niblock has called it a phenomenal performance from Down on Twitter. I think your assessment is closer to the truth about their performance.
Niblock would call a fart in a phone box phenomenal ffs
Armagh poor for 70+ mins. Down had a game plan that didn't really deserve to get anything out of today, they're a pretty limited side. Referee probably gave the worst performance I've seen in a long, long time.
Tyrone/Donegal will be hot favourites for the final, Armagh massive underdogs ::)
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2024, 07:06:25 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 27, 2024, 07:04:20 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2024, 06:00:08 PMArmagh would appear to be surprised that Down can and will crunch them in the tackle.
Ref seems to prefer Down's tackling style.
Awful boring game that highlights just how wrong it is that our game rewards teams for playing keep ball.
Football is fucked.
Did you not say you weren't watching another game this year? Or maybe that was some other negative Nelly
Don't think I'd have said that. I wouldn't know what else to do with my life.
;D apologies, I'd be the same.
Bad news on Paddy Lynch and Cavan for the upcoming group stage.
https://www.anglocelt.ie/2024/04/27/blow-for-cavan-as-lynch-ruled-out-for-remainder-of-season/
Quote from: gallsman on April 27, 2024, 10:05:18 PMQuote from: square_ball on April 27, 2024, 09:49:08 PMThomas Niblock has called it a phenomenal performance from Down on Twitter.
Lol. Complete nonsense. Armagh were brutal but got away with it because they're levels above the Down team they played. Not much more do it.
Let's hope that's their low point and that they perform fully to their level from here on.
0.04 pts and 1.04pts from play not a great return over 75 odd mins.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2024, 11:51:12 PM0.04 pts and 1.04pts from play not a great return over 75 odd mins.
Some cracking games so far this year...and then there's games like this.
I think everyone should think that not every game will be a 4-19 to 3-20 scoreline.
I look at it, like every other sport, there'll be good and bad games. That's sport.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
What is it there that the ref can't do?
Would blowing for the second foul not constitute a break in play during which the linesman could alert the ref to the first foul?
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2024, 11:19:37 PMBad news on Paddy Lynch and Cavan for the upcoming group stage.
https://www.anglocelt.ie/2024/04/27/blow-for-cavan-as-lynch-ruled-out-for-remainder-of-season/
Sorry to read that, serious player and comes across as a decent lad as well. Speedy recovery.
Quote from: LCohen on April 28, 2024, 07:53:46 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
What is it there that the ref can't do?
Would blowing for the second foul not constitute a break in play during which the linesman could alert the ref to the first foul?
Once the referee has given a decision and has sounded his whistle to restart play, he shall not alter that decision.
Once he's blown and made a decision (rightly or wrongly) he can't change it
Different if he blows for a free and waves his hand in one direction when it should have been the other, that's common enough in games but everyone knows.
This was different. He didn't blow for the Johnston trip, play went on and the Down player grab the Armagh lad around the neck then he blew.
I thought the first was a free in fairness so the right thing happened in the end.
He'll be pulled on a few things, but the helter skelter of these games will provide mistakes all round
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2024, 08:49:58 AMQuote from: LCohen on April 28, 2024, 07:53:46 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
What is it there that the ref can't do?
Would blowing for the second foul not constitute a break in play during which the linesman could alert the ref to the first foul?
Once the referee has given a decision and has sounded his whistle to restart play, he shall not alter that decision.
Once he's blown and made a decision (rightly or wrongly) he can't change it
Different if he blows for a free and waves his hand in one direction when it should have been the other, that's common enough in games but everyone knows.
This was different. He didn't blow for the Johnston trip, play went on and the Down player grab the Armagh lad around the neck then he blew.
I thought the first was a free in fairness so the right thing happened in the end.
He'll be pulled on a few things, but the helter skelter of these games will provide mistakes all round
Not trying to be argumentative, BUT. Being pedantic really.
Is the "not blowing" of the whistle not a decision in itself, which he should not change?
While I did find the refereeing exasperating
The game it self was even more so and I suspect it would have been a nightmare to officiate.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 08:59:35 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2024, 08:49:58 AMQuote from: LCohen on April 28, 2024, 07:53:46 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
What is it there that the ref can't do?
Would blowing for the second foul not constitute a break in play during which the linesman could alert the ref to the first foul?
Once the referee has given a decision and has sounded his whistle to restart play, he shall not alter that decision.
Once he's blown and made a decision (rightly or wrongly) he can't change it
Different if he blows for a free and waves his hand in one direction when it should have been the other, that's common enough in games but everyone knows.
This was different. He didn't blow for the Johnston trip, play went on and the Down player grab the Armagh lad around the neck then he blew.
I thought the first was a free in fairness so the right thing happened in the end.
He'll be pulled on a few things, but the helter skelter of these games will provide mistakes all round
Not trying to be argumentative, BUT. Being pedantic really.
Is the "not blowing" of the whistle not a decision in itself, which he should not change?
While I did find the refereeing exasperating
The game it self was even more so and I suspect it would have been a nightmare to officiate.
In this instance he blew only for the second foul, after sounding his whistle and giving his decision, he then was confronted by the linesman and changed it.
There is nothing in the rules to say he can do that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2024, 09:23:02 AMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 08:59:35 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2024, 08:49:58 AMQuote from: LCohen on April 28, 2024, 07:53:46 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
What is it there that the ref can't do?
Would blowing for the second foul not constitute a break in play during which the linesman could alert the ref to the first foul?
Once the referee has given a decision and has sounded his whistle to restart play, he shall not alter that decision.
Once he's blown and made a decision (rightly or wrongly) he can't change it
Different if he blows for a free and waves his hand in one direction when it should have been the other, that's common enough in games but everyone knows.
This was different. He didn't blow for the Johnston trip, play went on and the Down player grab the Armagh lad around the neck then he blew.
I thought the first was a free in fairness so the right thing happened in the end.
He'll be pulled on a few things, but the helter skelter of these games will provide mistakes all round
Not trying to be argumentative, BUT. Being pedantic really.
Is the "not blowing" of the whistle not a decision in itself, which he should not change?
While I did find the refereeing exasperating
The game it self was even more so and I suspect it would have been a nightmare to officiate.
In this instance he blew only for the second foul, after sounding his whistle and giving his decision, he then was confronted by the linesman and changed it.
There is nothing in the rules to say he can do that
Would he only be allowed to overturn a foul for foul play?
Looking forward to today's game but I think it could he a damp squib too. If Tyrone don't adapt their gameplan significantly I can only see a Donegal win, so I think they will adapt.I'd prefer Armagh to play Tyrone in a classico Ulster Final tbh, not that I'd be overly confident of victory but mainly because McGeeney would grossly overthink a final v Jim Mcguinness.
The aristocrats of Ulster haven't a player that can kick a ball 40 metres , that was brutal stuff yesterday. Down are simply a reincarnation of Kilcoo handpassing and soloing the ball up the pitch. It was a dreadful game to watch and summed up all of the ills of Gaelic football. The referee was just as bad and Armagh weren't much better.
The one positive from an Armagh point of view was the substitutions who won us the match. Oisin O'Neill, Duffy and Nugent kicked the winning scores and hopefully there will be changes the next game because otherwise that type of performance or tactical approach will not be good enough.
Quote from: Nanderson on April 28, 2024, 09:42:01 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2024, 09:23:02 AMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 08:59:35 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2024, 08:49:58 AMQuote from: LCohen on April 28, 2024, 07:53:46 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2024, 07:02:10 PMThat last free, he didn't blow for the 'first' foul, blew for the obvious round the neck free, spoke to linesman, free then given for first free (which you can't do) and thankfully he missed
What is it there that the ref can't do?
Would blowing for the second foul not constitute a break in play during which the linesman could alert the ref to the first foul?
Once the referee has given a decision and has sounded his whistle to restart play, he shall not alter that decision.
Once he's blown and made a decision (rightly or wrongly) he can't change it
Different if he blows for a free and waves his hand in one direction when it should have been the other, that's common enough in games but everyone knows.
This was different. He didn't blow for the Johnston trip, play went on and the Down player grab the Armagh lad around the neck then he blew.
I thought the first was a free in fairness so the right thing happened in the end.
He'll be pulled on a few things, but the helter skelter of these games will provide mistakes all round
Not trying to be argumentative, BUT. Being pedantic really.
Is the "not blowing" of the whistle not a decision in itself, which he should not change?
While I did find the refereeing exasperating
The game it self was even more so and I suspect it would have been a nightmare to officiate.
In this instance he blew only for the second foul, after sounding his whistle and giving his decision, he then was confronted by the linesman and changed it.
There is nothing in the rules to say he can do that
Would he only be allowed to overturn a foul for foul play?
Can only overturn the foul for retaliation after a foul and give a hop ball.. nothing else
What about that Galway point a few years ago that was given in the dressing room at half time?
Someone said above that Down had all the ills of football- soloing and handpassing.
Yet nobody in either official Committees or pundits or GAAboarders seem to ever suggest restricting those 2 activities.
The good news for Tyrone is I expect Donegal to win today.
I was off to a gig so only had to endure the first half...Christ!
Down coughed it up whenever Armagh actually engaged them and were also afraid to shoot, but Armagh stood so far off them.
I am not trolling here, but is Ulster really that good? Like the reason why the Provincials are here to stay is down to one province but the quality varies a lot within that. The best game of the year could be Dublin v Derry in the league.
We were pathetic. Play like that against Donegal and it be 10 point hammering. I'd say Duffy will be in from the start the next day. Murnin, Soupy Turbo and others anonymous.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2024, 11:24:37 AMWe were pathetic. Play like that against Donegal and it be 10 point hammering. I'd say Duffy will be in from the start the next day. Murnin, Soupy Turbo and others anonymous.
I'd say there will definitely be changes for the final. Turbitt, Burns and McElroy out. Nugent, Duffy and McCabe in for those three.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 28, 2024, 10:49:43 AMI was off to a gig so only had to endure the first half...Christ!
Down coughed it up whenever Armagh actually engaged them and were also afraid to shoot, but Armagh stood so far off them.
I am not trolling here, but is Ulster really that good? Like the reason why the Provincials are here to stay is down to one province but the quality varies a lot within that. The best game of the year could be Dublin v Derry in the league.
Good? Are you asking is the level good or the competiveness good? The former, there's 3 or 4 teams that, outside of Dublin could win Sam. 50% of next year's NFL Div 1 will consist of Ulster teams. The latter, Cavan beating Monaghan, Donegal taking out the Ulster champions and Div 1 winners. Cavan Tyrone going right to the wire, as did Down v Armagh. Ulster is by a great distance the most competitive province, and overall the strongest.. Not that you didn't know any of this of course ;)
Burns is a midfielder, should be played there, way better than the current pair.
Stronger looking Tyrone team. Kilpatrick has been dominant against us a few times.
We'll miss Patton too.
The changes have definitely pushed this towards Tyrone.
Is Conor Meyler injured?
This could rival yesterdays dirge!!
Wish we'd played that way!
Is that not a clear black card
The way Donegal set up, which is the same as McGuiness team first time round, to beat it, you match it. It leads to a crap match of chess.But we see, Tyrone have the size in middle of the field to match Donegal, so they not Doninate midfield.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2024, 11:24:37 AMWe were pathetic. Play like that against Donegal and it be 10 point hammering. I'd say Duffy will be in from the start the next day. Murnin, Soupy Turbo and others anonymous.
Cant agree with this. When the game came into the melting pot it was Murnin who made himself available to get out in front to win the ball to set up the winning score. Best player in armagh squad to do that. Never stops working. Just because he's not flashy doesn't mean he was anonymous. Armagh can take a lot away from yesterday. No need for panic
The goalkeeper I think made a attempt to get the ball but Canavan just tapped it away from him.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:10:05 PMIs that not a clear black card
No! Keeper went for the ball and missed it and also didn't pull Canavan down.
Tyrone made three changes to their published team Con Kilpatrick,Cathal McShane,Michael O Neill in for Aodhan Donaghy,Joe Oguz,Ruairi Canavan
Donegal one change and a big one Gavin Mulreany in for Shaun Patton
13 minutes played Donegal 0-2 Tyrone 0-2
Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2024, 02:12:31 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:10:05 PMIs that not a clear black card
No! Keeper went for the ball and missed it and also didn't pull Canavan down.
Arm across the defender legs from the sid is a trip
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:16:30 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 28, 2024, 02:12:31 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:10:05 PMIs that not a clear black card
No! Keeper went for the ball and missed it and also didn't pull Canavan down.
Arm across the defender legs from the sid is a trip
He was going for the ball though so not a deliberate foul.
Tyrone have kicked a couple nice scores.
0-5 each after 22 minutes
Good to see Oisin Gallen back in form. Had a good debut year in 2019 and plagued by injuries since.
McShane not up to the pace of the game. Give a couple away now.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2024, 02:23:08 PMMcShane not up to the pace of the game. Give a couple away now.
Been that way a few years.
Awful.
Quote from: seanaglis on April 28, 2024, 02:12:02 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2024, 11:24:37 AMWe were pathetic. Play like that against Donegal and it be 10 point hammering. I'd say Duffy will be in from the start the next day. Murnin, Soupy Turbo and others anonymous.
Cant agree with this. When the game came into the melting pot it was Murnin who made himself available to get out in front to win the ball to set up the winning score. Best player in armagh squad to do that. Never stops working. Just because he's not flashy doesn't mean he was anonymous. Armagh can take a lot away from yesterday. No need for panic
Didn't see enough of him. 0-0 from play from 6 starting forwards says it all tbh.
On a positive note a tight game sets us up better than another walkover and great to win one of those games for once. Rian is getting back to himself, great to see the subs make an impact.
Donegal getting nowhere near the amount of attacking space as the Derry match and are looking very limited as a result.
McShane and McBrearty don't look fit enough at this level any more.
Really hate people booing kicks. Donegal and Armagh are famous for it.
Tyrone finding it easier to get scores.
Donegal decision making in terms of shooting is poor.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:28:51 PMReally hate people booing kicks. Donegal and Armagh are famous for it.
You do some amount of whinging.
Quote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 02:31:44 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:28:51 PMReally hate people booing kicks. Donegal and Armagh are famous for it.
You do some amount of whinging.
So do the donegal fans unfortunately. No call to be booing every kick out or free kick. Its not soccer
Donegal kicking all those wides and shorts which Derry did the last game.
Jimmy has got out tacticed by Dooher in that first half but you won't hear that in the media.
All Tyrone this half they've denied Donegal space and Donegal have looked limited as a result.
With all the work Donegal did on the long kickout they haven't used it yet, I wonder will we see it second half or is it too dependent on Payton?
Half time Tyrone 0-8 Donegal 0-5.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:33:26 PMQuote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 02:31:44 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:28:51 PMReally hate people booing kicks. Donegal and Armagh are famous for it.
You do some amount of whinging.
So do the donegal fans unfortunately. No call to be booing every kick out or free kick. Its not soccer
See the difference dongeal 45 and not a single tyrone fan was booing
Tyrone forcing us to shoot from way out the field, while they're working openings closer in through fast line breaking. They're deservedly ahead. McGuinness with plenty to do.
Quote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 02:38:47 PMTyrone forcing us to shoot from way out the field, while they're working openings closer in through fast line breaking. They're deservedly ahead. McGuinness with plenty to do.
A goal by any team would be huge. Would fancy donegal to get a goal easier than tyrone would.
Long kickout doesn't work here, Tyrone big in middle of the field. Donegal have really one good forward in Gallen. Tyrone ahead without much from McCurry and Canavan. Tyrone mirroring Donegal and that's the way to beat that system, but it's a poor grind.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:40:12 PMQuote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 02:38:47 PMTyrone forcing us to shoot from way out the field, while they're working openings closer in through fast line breaking. They're deservedly ahead. McGuinness with plenty to do.
A goal by any team would be huge. Would fancy donegal to get a goal easier than tyrone would.
A goal would be huge, but it won't be from Donegal from what we've seen so far. Tyrone penetrating far more and far easier than us.
Quote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 02:45:31 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 02:40:12 PMQuote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 02:38:47 PMTyrone forcing us to shoot from way out the field, while they're working openings closer in through fast line breaking. They're deservedly ahead. McGuinness with plenty to do.
A goal by any team would be huge. Would fancy donegal to get a goal easier than tyrone would.
A goal would be huge, but it won't be from Donegal from what we've seen so far. Tyrone penetrating far more and far easier than us.
Wouldnt be so sure. Tyrones biggest issue this year is conceding goals and not scoring many. I hope i am wrong lol
Disagree with Devanney there. Thought it was a decent half of football with some great scores.
Brilliant tv there. 😂
Quote from: weareros on April 28, 2024, 02:50:10 PMDisagree with Devanney there. Thought it was a decent half of football with some great scores.
It really wasn't, it's just that we have become so accustomed to these types of matches.
Quote from: weareros on April 28, 2024, 02:50:10 PMDisagree with Devanney there. Thought it was a decent half of football with some great scores.
Slow mucky football
Mattie Donnelly has slowed down but still able to control a game.
Donegal found their shooting boots at half time?
Terrible decision by Cawley there. Never a free.
0-9 each 48 mins played.
Morgan keeping Tyrone in this match.
Tyrone number 10 looks a good player too.
Three points in a row for Tyrone to lead by three.
And just like that all that good work undone.
Philly transition McMahon :-X
Not sure on that free. Lines just crossed and collided.
If that free should black card for McGeary.
0-12 each 60 mins played.
Ryan McHugh not in the game today.
Donegal kicking lot of wides. Tyrone letting them take a pop at distance. Dangerous tactic.
McGeary stood his ground. I don't think it was even a free.
Level again.
We just can't get ahead though
Now Tyrone ahead again
Tyrone one ahead with 3 minutes of added time to play.
Level with a minute to go
Jaysis Morgan made a right hames of that high ball
Keeper should caught that.
0-14 each extra time coming up.
Poor game with a decent finish. Tyrone got away with throwing it away last week but will they this week?
Morgan brilliant all game but that was poor at the end!
Fair play to McHugh. Took on the responsibility instead of recycling.
Stalemate which was probably a fair result, neither team really deserved to win or lose that game.
Niblick acting like Morgan saved the day at the end there - should have been a routine high ball claimed by him, and they'd be in the final already
Is that Brendan McCole's first championship point?
Last week could take its toll on Tyrone now
Quote from: Schkite on April 28, 2024, 03:32:41 PMNiblick acting like Morgan saved the day at the end there - should have been a routine high ball claimed by him, and they'd be in the final already
Some of these days he will run out of superlatives to use in commentary.
High standard in keepers set on this board, forward jumped with Morgan and ball spilled, he reset to make a great save.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 28, 2024, 03:34:10 PMLast week could take its toll on Tyrone now
2 week break should help if they get through. But think this game will stand to the winner.
Not sure how McShane still on, been poor the day.
Mattie Donnelly must be a MOTM contender, he's been excellent again today.
Watching this game,making me wonder why Derry were so open last week
Very limited ball into Canavan the day.
Half time in extra time Donegal 0-17 Tyrone 0-16.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2024, 03:50:48 PMWatching this game,making me wonder why Derry were so open last week
Poor management
This game merits a penalty shoot out, total stalemate.
A few times now we've had goal chances on with an extra pass.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2024, 03:50:48 PMWatching this game,making me wonder why Derry were so open last week
Yeah but I'm comforted by the fact we won't make that mistake again. Had we played defensive last week and conceded the kickout I think we'd beat Donegal if we played them again.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2024, 03:46:17 PMNot sure how McShane still on, been poor the day.
Would agree. Should have been taken off at half time
Who ever is teaching tyrone how to tackle and defend needs to stop
Tyrone are gassed. Would take pens now.
Honestly didn't even realise McCurry was still on the pitch when he made that foul there.
Some bad tackling alright.
3 mins to play Donegal one in front. Morgan twice caught out of his goal but no score for Donegal.
How did Morgan get away with that lol - a poor pass, touch on the ground, and then Tyrone not being punished on the counter with no-one in goal
Donegal should be further ahead, Tyrone looking very tired in this extra time
That was great defending by Hampsey.
Thank Christ niblock has stopped calling him Hampshey
As you were carry on
Donegal must'nt have much faith in their squad, they keep recycling their subs.
Management needed to make changes quicker. McShane could been gone 30 mins ago. No legs left in a few of them. Unfortunately to slow to act again.
When's the last time the Ulster final was two Div 2 teams?
FT AET Donegal 0-18 TYrone 0-16. Jimmy's winning matches and he's never lost to Tyrone?
Poor game management by Tyrone, alot of very tired legs out there in extra time and it cost them.
Fair play Donegal, didn't think they had this in them this year.
Glad Niblock cleared up that this would be an all ulster final. Was worried Dublin or someone was going to be shoehorned into the final instead
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 28, 2024, 04:08:02 PMManagement needed to make changes quicker. McShane could been gone 30 mins ago. No legs left in a few of them. Unfortunately to slow to act again.
Agree. No idea how he came on in the 2nd half of normal time.
Fair play to Donegal. Worked their scores better and seemed to have more energy in extra time
Donegal will be strong favourites for the final
Wasn't 2014 the last time?
Ourselves and Monaghan played the Div 2 and Ulster finals.
Jesus mcbrearty scored 1 point at the end of the game and they are doing a piece on how wonderful he is
Did I hear Michael Murphy say Donegal scored two 'creamers"? Not sure what a creamer is in Donegal but around these parts.. :D
For us, some change to last year, including the feeble effort in the 1/4 final qualifier against Tyrone.
That game will stand to us. I think the final will be a similar slugfest.
Hard luck Tyrone. Game was played in a great spirit and could have gone either way.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 04:16:04 PMJesus mcbrearty scored 1 point at the end of the game and they are doing a piece on how wonderful he is
Yeah, but it was the back breaker!
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2024, 04:17:19 PMDid I hear Michael Murphy say Donegal scored two 'creamers"? Not sure what a creamer is in Donegal but around these parts.. :D
Never want to hear those words out of Michael Murphy's mouth again...
Donegal's Ulster final to lose.
Was a grand auld game of football. Defensive, yes but not overly negative in my opinion. No major talking points from the ref either. Few calls could have went either way, but nothing major.
Felt it was lost on the sideline. Had we freshened things up in the 2nd half of normal time, I think we could have won. Too slow to make changes and reacting. That said, got tactic 100 in first half. But needed better in-game management. McShane and Seanie o Donnell should have been pulled in 2nd half.
Mattie and Morgan two players showing their class today for Tyrone.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 04:10:51 PMFT AET Donegal 0-18 TYrone 0-16. Jimmy's winning matches and he's never lost to Tyrone?
Think only Ulster team McGuinness lost to was Monaghan in 2013. Won Ulsters in 2011, 2012 & 2014.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 04:23:15 PMDonegal's Ulster final to lose.
Would you ever f**k off with that crap. It wasn't entertaining the first time you did it and it hasn't aged well with the 100th.
Quote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 04:19:51 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 04:16:04 PMJesus mcbrearty scored 1 point at the end of the game and they are doing a piece on how wonderful he is
Yeah, but it was the back breaker!
Quote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 04:19:51 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 04:16:04 PMJesus mcbrearty scored 1 point at the end of the game and they are doing a piece on how wonderful he is
Yeah, but it was the back breaker!
There was about 30 seconds left and already one up lol. Plenty of other donegal lads deserved the praise rather than mcbrearty.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 28, 2024, 04:41:43 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 04:10:51 PMFT AET Donegal 0-18 TYrone 0-16. Jimmy's winning matches and he's never lost to Tyrone?
Think only Ulster team McGuinness lost was Monaghan in 2013. Won Ulsters in 2011, 2012 & 2014.
He hasn't played Armagh in Ulster championship as a manager though.
He did beat them in the 2014 AI quarter final.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 28, 2024, 04:41:09 PMWas a grand auld game of football. Defensive, yes but not overly negative in my opinion. No major talking points from the ref either. Few calls could have went either way, but nothing major.
Felt it was lost on the sideline. Had we freshened things up in the 2nd half of normal time, I think we could have won. Too slow to make changes and reacting. That said, got tactic 100 in first half. But needed better in-game management. McShane and Seanie o Donnell should have been pulled in 2nd half.
Mattie and Morgan two players showing their class today for Tyrone.
Agree with all of it.
Think Tyrone will take a fair bit out of that despite the defeat, far better performance and didn't disappear out of the game as it went on as they have been. Great experience for the younger lads and plenty to build on for the weeks ahead.
Congratulations to Donegal. I'd expect them to win Ulster.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 28, 2024, 04:43:10 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 04:23:15 PMDonegal's Ulster final to lose.
Would you ever f**k off with that crap. It wasn't entertaining the first time you did it and it hasn't aged well with the 100th.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 05:12:20 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 28, 2024, 04:43:10 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 04:23:15 PMDonegal's Ulster final to lose.
Would you ever f**k off with that crap. It wasn't entertaining the first time you did it and it hasn't aged well with the 100th.
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As funny as a kick in the boll!x.
Armagh and Donegal have played 140+ minutes of football this season with a single point separating them.
Yes, it's clear that it's Donegal's to lose. ::)
It's the proverbial 50/50 match but I think Armagh have a bit more scoring power up front. But it's now or never for this Armagh side whereas with Donegal you feel as though they could be around for a few years.
The Ulster final will be interesting. I think its setup for Armagh as they wont be favourites for a changeand this will probably work in their favour. In Rian O'Neill they have a top player who has ability kick long range scores and this may swing a tight game in their favour.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 05:12:20 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 28, 2024, 04:43:10 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 04:23:15 PMDonegal's Ulster final to lose.
Would you ever f**k off with that crap. It wasn't entertaining the first time you did it and it hasn't aged well with the 100th.
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No it's not. It doesn't even make sense. You literally have to have something to lose it. Ball-ache'ery at its finest
Rian O'Neill is definitely the stand-out player on both sides.
It would be nice if Eoghan Ban was back for us, but no word on his status recently.
Celtic park seems to be lucky for Donegal, maybe because of the towns Tyrconnell history. I notice there is a street down the road from it called Tyrconnell street.
Odds
Paddy Power
Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5
Boyle Sports
Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8
Draw is 7/1
The final is a game that's got 0.13 to 0.12 written all over it! It will be an arm wrestle. My biggest fear is the Armagh sideline, there'll no doubt by some unnecessary tactical masterstroke from McGeeney. It'll likely be a game that will be won ugly, so i don't care how it's won, but I would really like to see us play to our strengths and have some balls.
I would expect those odds to even out closer to the game. Armagh well worth a bet at those.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on April 28, 2024, 05:53:45 PMCeltic park seems to be lucky for Donegal, maybe because of the towns Tyrconnell history. I notice there is a street down the road from it called Tyrconnell street.
I always thought that Tir Connail was Donegal but not including the Inis Eoghain peninsula (which includes Derry City) Tir Connail & Inis Eoghain combined create Contae Dún na nGall. Is this correct??
Quote from: Feckitt on April 28, 2024, 06:39:16 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on April 28, 2024, 05:53:45 PMCeltic park seems to be lucky for Donegal, maybe because of the towns Tyrconnell history. I notice there is a street down the road from it called Tyrconnell street.
I always thought that Tir Connail was Donegal but not including the Inis Eoghain peninsula (which includes Derry City) Tir Connail & Inis Eoghain combined create Contae Dún na nGall. Is this correct??
Yes
Similar result and performance to the 2022 qualifier game would do ;)
We need to improve big time from yesterday, it's definitely a 50/50 tight game. Hopefully we don't get too shite of a game and we play to our strengths rather than to suit the opposition like we normally do.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 06:02:21 PMOdds
Paddy Power
Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5
Boyle Sports
Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8
Draw is 7/1
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 06:02:21 PMOdds
Paddy Power
Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5
Boyle Sports
Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8
Draw is 7/1
Is a draw at full time or after extra time? It'd be worth a bet I think!
Apologies if it was mentioned earlier in thread but any update on Barry O'Hagan Down men? I know he is only back from bad injuries, hope he is alright
QuoteIs a draw at full time or after extra time? It'd be worth a bet I think!
After 70 minutes.
Quote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 05:29:41 PMArmagh and Donegal have played 140+ minutes of football this season with a single point separating them.
Yes, it's clear that it's Donegal's to lose. ::)
I know the game was scrubbed but the McKenna cup did happen
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 06:58:48 PMQuoteIs a draw at full time or after extra time? It'd be worth a bet I think!
After 70 minutes.
7/1 is some value. As long as theres no fecking penalties, although we have an actual goalkeeper this year so we've half a chance!
Quote from: bennydorano on April 28, 2024, 06:12:35 PMThe final is a game that's got 0.13 to 0.12 written all over it! It will be an arm wrestle. My biggest fear is the Armagh sideline, there'll no doubt by some unnecessary tactical masterstroke from McGeeney. It'll likely be a game that will be won ugly, so i don't care how it's won, but I would really like to see us play to our strengths and have some balls.
I hope geezer doesn't over think it too much. We need to learn the lesson from 2022 and the 2 matches against Donegal that year. The first match in Ballybofey we played to try and counteract Donegals strengths and ended up getting soundly beaten. A change in tactical approach a few weeks later and we won the game comfortably by playing to our own strengths. I would like to think that the lessons will have been learned and that we play the game on our terms and not try and beat Donegal at a game which they are the masters at.
It might have even been part of the thinking by holding some of the big players in reserve for the League final earlier in the year.
Quote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 05:29:41 PMArmagh and Donegal have played 140+ minutes of football this season with a single point separating them.
Yes, it's clear that it's Donegal's to lose. ::)
Donegal maybe ever so slight favourites given the 2 championship games both have played. Both league games I don't think either team went all out and we've obviously gained Rian back who will be a massive help.
What a difference a year makes for Donegal. Organisation, high work rate and fitness they have in abundance now. It was decent game in Celtic Park, competitive throughout made it intriguing watch and I'll be surprised if the same doesn't happen for the final. Is it a gimmick for Philly McMahon to give the Man of the match to a player from a losing team?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 28, 2024, 07:24:00 PMWhat a difference a year makes for Donegal. Organisation, high work rate and fitness they have in abundance now. It was decent game in Celtic Park, competitive throughout made it intriguing watch and I'll be surprised if the same doesn't happen for the final. Is it a gimmick for Philly McMahon to give the Man of the match to a player from a losing team?
Who'd he give it to? I switched over after..
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2024, 07:31:46 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 28, 2024, 07:24:00 PMWhat a difference a year makes for Donegal. Organisation, high work rate and fitness they have in abundance now. It was decent game in Celtic Park, competitive throughout made it intriguing watch and I'll be surprised if the same doesn't happen for the final. Is it a gimmick for Philly McMahon to give the Man of the match to a player from a losing team?
Who'd he give it to? I switched over after..
Niall Morgan
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 28, 2024, 07:36:25 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2024, 07:31:46 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 28, 2024, 07:24:00 PMWhat a difference a year makes for Donegal. Organisation, high work rate and fitness they have in abundance now. It was decent game in Celtic Park, competitive throughout made it intriguing watch and I'll be surprised if the same doesn't happen for the final. Is it a gimmick for Philly McMahon to give the Man of the match to a player from a losing team?
Who'd he give it to? I switched over after..
Niall Morgan
Ok. 👍
Morgan had caught that ball at the end over normal time, it was game over
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2024, 07:59:34 PMMorgan had caught thst ball at the end over normal time, it was game over
Morgan's kickouts were awful in the 2nd half and extra time. I think he must have cost 4 points. And he got motm? Madness.
In saying that's, there was no standout player, so maybe his free taking got it for him.
Quote from: Feckitt on April 28, 2024, 06:39:16 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on April 28, 2024, 05:53:45 PMCeltic park seems to be lucky for Donegal, maybe because of the towns Tyrconnell history. I notice there is a street down the road from it called Tyrconnell street.
I always thought that Tir Connail was Donegal but not including the Inis Eoghain peninsula (which includes Derry City) Tir Connail & Inis Eoghain combined create Contae Dún na nGall. Is this correct??
It's not correct.
Tír Chonaill from about 1200 (when it split from Tír Eoghain) onwards did include Inishowen.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2024, 07:59:34 PMMorgan had caught that ball at the end over normal time, it was game over
Or even got a good fist to it which was risky in itself. He's usually very secure with those balls and probably would have got a free out if he caught it. He'll be disappointed he didn't catch ut
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 28, 2024, 08:16:07 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2024, 07:59:34 PMMorgan had caught thst ball at the end over normal time, it was game over
Morgan's kickouts were awful in the 2nd half and extra time. I think he must have cost 4 points. And he got motm? Madness.
In saying that's, there was no standout player, so maybe his free taking got it for him.
I think some of that was the lack of runners in the 2nd half by Tyrone. Fitness was starting to show a bit.boys were getting leggy, I thought he was actually still getting the majority right. Few went wayward but don't think it was more that 3/4 in whole game. And some of his better ones were great platforms for some of Tyrone's attacks. I think he's the best passer in the game at the minute tbh. Maybe I'm bias tho!! ;D
Why is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
You'll find they're officially now Division 1 teams😉
Téigh ar ais don leaba a Sheaf.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 28, 2024, 06:59:55 PMQuote from: J70 on April 28, 2024, 05:29:41 PMArmagh and Donegal have played 140+ minutes of football this season with a single point separating them.
Yes, it's clear that it's Donegal's to lose. ::)
I know the game was scrubbed but the McKenna cup did happen
Did Armagh not play their U-20s in that game?
Zero relevance.
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Div 2 seems to be the place to be nowadays, current All Ireland champions played in Div 2 last year.
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Because this is Ulster, where every team in the province has contested the final at least once in the last twenty years.
Every game is a lottery.
Its why it the best championship in the land.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:20:33 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Because this is Ulster, where every team in the province has contested the final at least once in the last twenty years.
Every game is a lottery.
Its why it the best championship in the land.
You might have a point but there's no need to tell lies.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:35:46 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:20:33 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Because this is Ulster, where every team in the province has contested the final at least once in the last twenty years.
Every game is a lottery.
Its why it the best championship in the land.
You might have a point but there's no need to tell lies.
There appear to be no certainties so if not a lottery its certainly unpredictable.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:43:47 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:35:46 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:20:33 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Because this is Ulster, where every team in the province has contested the final at least once in the last twenty years.
Every game is a lottery.
Its why it the best championship in the land.
You might have a point but there's no need to tell lies.
There appear to be no certainties so if not a lottery its certainly unpredictable.
There are certainties. Antrim & Fermanagh are going to lose. Down extremely likely to as well.
You could have picked 4 out of 9 to win it. 2 of those are in the final.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:59:44 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:43:47 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:35:46 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:20:33 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Because this is Ulster, where every team in the province has contested the final at least once in the last twenty years.
Every game is a lottery.
Its why it the best championship in the land.
You might have a point but there's no need to tell lies.
There appear to be no certainties so if not a lottery its certainly unpredictable.
There are certainties. Antrim & Fermanagh are going to lose. Down extremely likely to as well.
You could have picked 4 out of 9 to win it. 2 of those are in the final.
Pedantic posts of the week go to.... 8)
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2024, 11:13:31 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:59:44 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:43:47 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:35:46 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:20:33 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Because this is Ulster, where every team in the province has contested the final at least once in the last twenty years.
Every game is a lottery.
Its why it the best championship in the land.
You might have a point but there's no need to tell lies.
There appear to be no certainties so if not a lottery its certainly unpredictable.
There are certainties. Antrim & Fermanagh are going to lose. Down extremely likely to as well.
You could have picked 4 out of 9 to win it. 2 of those are in the final.
Pedantic posts of the week go to.... 8)
It's a completely boring and untrue narrative though.
The Leinster final of 2023 had 2 Division 2 teams in it. They felt no need to use that fact to big themselves up. We, in Ulster, do. Our football can be fcukin dreadful too, and there's plenty of evidence this weekend.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 11:25:05 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2024, 11:13:31 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:59:44 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:43:47 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:35:46 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:20:33 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Because this is Ulster, where every team in the province has contested the final at least once in the last twenty years.
Every game is a lottery.
Its why it the best championship in the land.
You might have a point but there's no need to tell lies.
There appear to be no certainties so if not a lottery its certainly unpredictable.
There are certainties. Antrim & Fermanagh are going to lose. Down extremely likely to as well.
You could have picked 4 out of 9 to win it. 2 of those are in the final.
Pedantic posts of the week go to.... 8)
It's a completely boring and untrue narrative though.
The Leinster final of 2023 had 2 Division 2 teams in it. They felt no need to use that fact to big themselves up. We, in Ulster, do. Our football can be fcukin dreadful too, and there's plenty of evidence this weekend.
In 2023 Leinster didnt have any Division 1 teams
Quote from: jmk on April 29, 2024, 12:33:23 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 11:25:05 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2024, 11:13:31 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:59:44 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:43:47 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 28, 2024, 10:35:46 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 28, 2024, 10:20:33 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 28, 2024, 09:28:22 PMWhy is the final between the 2 d2 teams? Hmmmn.
Because this is Ulster, where every team in the province has contested the final at least once in the last twenty years.
Every game is a lottery.
Its why it the best championship in the land.
You might have a point but there's no need to tell lies.
There appear to be no certainties so if not a lottery its certainly unpredictable.
There are certainties. Antrim & Fermanagh are going to lose. Down extremely likely to as well.
You could have picked 4 out of 9 to win it. 2 of those are in the final.
Pedantic posts of the week go to.... 8)
It's a completely boring and untrue narrative though.
The Leinster final of 2023 had 2 Division 2 teams in it. They felt no need to use that fact to big themselves up. We, in Ulster, do. Our football can be fcukin dreadful too, and there's plenty of evidence this weekend.
In 2023 Leinster didnt have any Division 1 teams
dont let that get in the way
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2024, 11:08:41 PMHas the Ulster Championship shown up that none of the teams are fit enough to win a all-Ireland?
It didn't need the Ulster Championship to prove that. Derry are the closest Ulster team but even at that they will need a fair amount of luck to win it. Someone made the point about Armagh not coping with players running at them at pace. It's not just Armagh most teams I've seen can't cope with that. I only caught the last 10 minutes of Armagh v Down, it confirms what I believe, that we are no nearer to Sam now than 10 years ago. I watched two and a half games in full yesterday, the Tyrone/ Donegal followed by Galway Kilkenny and the first half of Limerick Tipp. The difference in refereeing between the two codes is startling. The physicality and the hits in hurling would leave most inter county footballers in a heap. Oh and while I'm at it fair play to Antrim beating Wexford.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 29, 2024, 09:32:05 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2024, 11:08:41 PMHas the Ulster Championship shown up that none of the teams are fit enough to win a all-Ireland?
It didn't need the Ulster Championship to prove that. Derry are the closest Ulster team but even at that they will need a fair amount of luck to win it. Someone made the point about Armagh not coping with players running at them at pace. It's not just Armagh most teams I've seen can't cope with that. I only caught the last 10 minutes of Armagh v Down, it confirms what I believe, that we are no nearer to Sam now than 10 years ago. I watched two and a half games in full yesterday, the Tyrone/ Donegal followed by Galway Kilkenny and the first half of Limerick Tipp. The difference in refereeing between the two codes is startling. The physicality and the hits in hurling would leave most inter county footballers in a heap. Oh and while I'm at it fair play to Antrim beating Wexford.
We have the same conversation every year. It basically boils down to are these teams good enough to beat Dublin or Kerry. Kerry have gone back a bit imo and any game between them Derry/Armagh/Donegal and the good version of Tyrone will be very close. Dublin are a level above but that is no slight on the quality from Ulster. Derry just about beat the Dubs in a league game so i think they'd have an outside chance. Donegal playing the way they are now won't cut it in Croke park imo, they defend far too deep will find it harder to create chances and will be slightly easier to pick off with more space. McGuinness is prob be aware of this and could try to move away from those tactics once they are out of ulster, if that's possible in one year.
Highlight of the match yesterday was young Conor Loyd from our club who played in the All Stars half time game! Grabbed the mic and walked off with it during the half time interviews! Very funny and well handled by the BBC team!
https://x.com/bbcsportni/status/1784586972054343937?s=46&t=Lxfigea4AyvSR2ixn0IP0Q (https://x.com/bbcsportni/status/1784586972054343937?s=46&t=Lxfigea4AyvSR2ixn0IP0Q)
Suffered the first half of unwatchable dirge served up by Down on Saturday, couldn't face the second half
What odds Jimmy pulls a Michael Murphy sized rabbit out of the hat similar to Stephen O'Neill coming back for Tyrone in 08, though you'd expect Murphy sooner than later, Donegal have some serious players and are watchable, felt Donegal had their sights on Sam in 2018 but the McBrearty injury derailed them, you just never know what a dual messiah ticket could produce down the track, important they win the Ulster final though to cement that belief and put Dublin and Kerry on notice
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 29, 2024, 09:32:05 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2024, 11:08:41 PMHas the Ulster Championship shown up that none of the teams are fit enough to win a all-Ireland?
It didn't need the Ulster Championship to prove that. Derry are the closest Ulster team but even at that they will need a fair amount of luck to win it. Someone made the point about Armagh not coping with players running at them at pace. It's not just Armagh most teams I've seen can't cope with that. I only caught the last 10 minutes of Armagh v Down, it confirms what I believe, that we are no nearer to Sam now than 10 years ago. I watched two and a half games in full yesterday, the Tyrone/ Donegal followed by Galway Kilkenny and the first half of Limerick Tipp. The difference in refereeing between the two codes is startling. The physicality and the hits in hurling would leave most inter county footballers in a heap. Oh and while I'm at it fair play to Antrim beating Wexford.
You can't throw the ball in football though.
Everything in hurling is done at a fast pace while football is mainly played in slow motion these days.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 29, 2024, 10:08:46 AMHighlight of the match yesterday was young Conor Loyd from our club who played in the All Stars half time game! Grabbed the mic and walked off with it during the half time interviews! Very funny and well handled by the BBC team!
https://x.com/bbcsportni/status/1784586972054343937?s=46&t=Lxfigea4AyvSR2ixn0IP0Q (https://x.com/bbcsportni/status/1784586972054343937?s=46&t=Lxfigea4AyvSR2ixn0IP0Q)
This is brilliant. The crowd was rightly entertained in Clones too with the lad who took a big interest in the band. He had his head in the tuba type instrument at one stage. Showing my lack of musical knowledge here.
The Armagh v Down game was as bad a game of county football as I can ever remember. There were of course flashes of brilliance but really they were few and far between. It's not even the 15 men behind the ball by both sides, it's the lack of desire and intensity to win the ball back from the opposition that really frustrates me. That little bit of quality off the bench seemed to tip it slightly in our favour. 2 great scores by the Cullyhanna men.
The referee completely bamboozled me with his calls throughout the match.
I see some posts about the Armagh crowd at the game. I arrived to Clones pretty late and went straight to the ground. I have to say it was noticeable the amount of really drunk young ones, and a large Garda presence. Not just a few pints, but in bad shape. I wondered was it because of the 5.15 on Saturday game but I'm probably deluded in that.
I wasn't at clones this year. But I saw enough last year never to bring a young family there again. The time has no factor. Alot of people go for the booze. They ain't there to see football. That's a part of the bug drop in attendance from last year. Over 10k diff.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 29, 2024, 11:41:41 AMThe Armagh v Down game was as bad a game of county football as I can ever remember. There were of course flashes of brilliance but really they were few and far between. It's not even the 15 men behind the ball by both sides, it's the lack of desire and intensity to win the ball back from the opposition that really frustrates me. That little bit of quality off the bench seemed to tip it slightly in our favour. 2 great scores by the Cullyhanna men.
The referee completely bamboozled me with his calls throughout the match.
I see some posts about the Armagh crowd at the game. I arrived to Clones pretty late and went straight to the ground. I have to say it was noticeable the amount of really drunk young ones, and a large Garda presence. Not just a few pints, but in bad shape. I wondered was it because of the 5.15 on Saturday game but I'm probably deluded in that.
Were there any incidents re: the buckfast gang?
Anyone asked the folk in the Ulster Council driving the Casement project how they feel about the current proposed capacity for Casement given the crowd numbers for the various provincials this year and the talk about possibly shifting the provincials to before the league?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 29, 2024, 12:32:36 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 29, 2024, 11:41:41 AMThe Armagh v Down game was as bad a game of county football as I can ever remember. There were of course flashes of brilliance but really they were few and far between. It's not even the 15 men behind the ball by both sides, it's the lack of desire and intensity to win the ball back from the opposition that really frustrates me. That little bit of quality off the bench seemed to tip it slightly in our favour. 2 great scores by the Cullyhanna men.
The referee completely bamboozled me with his calls throughout the match.
I see some posts about the Armagh crowd at the game. I arrived to Clones pretty late and went straight to the ground. I have to say it was noticeable the amount of really drunk young ones, and a large Garda presence. Not just a few pints, but in bad shape. I wondered was it because of the 5.15 on Saturday game but I'm probably deluded in that.
Were there any incidents re: the buckfast gang?
Not that I witnessed. Nothing major. I was in the Pat McGrane though and everything was pretty civilised in there. Last year we had a flare thrown down on top of us from the hill so it was bonus not to have that again.
Incidentally I saw one bottle of buckfast and a lad in a town top was holding it. He must have been minding it.
Anybody else in the Gerry Arthurs hear repeated playing of a cover of the cranberries' zombie? WTF was that about? It works for rugby so it'll work for clones? :o
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 29, 2024, 12:46:09 PMAnyone asked the folk in the Ulster Council driving the Casement project how they feel about the current proposed capacity for Casement given the crowd numbers for the various provincials this year and the talk about possibly shifting the provincials to before the league?
You'll get capacity crowds for finals and better grounds ;)
The state of Clones, the traffic/parking would probably put plenty off going. The football (in our game) was brutal but at least it was close, Tyrone and Donegal was decent.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2024, 01:33:33 PMThe state of Clones, the traffic/parking would probably put plenty off going. The football (in our game) was brutal but at least it was close, Tyrone and Donegal was decent.
Plus the timing of 5 on a Saturday wasn't good. The crammed season also puts pressure financially on fans.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 06:02:21 PMOdds
Paddy Power
Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5
Boyle Sports
Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8
Draw is 7/1
All the expectation on Donegal to succeed. Would go against logic if McGeeney (holding back Armagh according to some) was to topple a Donegal side managed by McGuinness with a clear focus to win Ulster since he returned.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 29, 2024, 03:01:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 06:02:21 PMOdds
Paddy Power
Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5
Boyle Sports
Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8
Draw is 7/1
All the expectation on Donegal to succeed. Would go against logic if McGeeney (holding back Armagh according to some) was to topple a Donegal side managed by McGuinness with a clear focus to win Ulster since he returned.
I'm not so sure about that. There is at least as much expectation on Armagh and it seems like we are either one victory away from a major breakthrough or one defeat away from another meltdown. Time is running out for a lot of our older players so I feel a bit like it is now or never for this group. If we can win Ulster it would be a very good season and we can go into the AI series with a lot more freedom and confidence.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 29, 2024, 10:08:46 AMHighlight of the match yesterday was young Conor Loyd from our club who played in the All Stars half time game! Grabbed the mic and walked off with it during the half time interviews! Very funny and well handled by the BBC team!
https://x.com/bbcsportni/status/1784586972054343937?s=46&t=Lxfigea4AyvSR2ixn0IP0Q (https://x.com/bbcsportni/status/1784586972054343937?s=46&t=Lxfigea4AyvSR2ixn0IP0Q)
The GAAForAll halftime games were inspiring and quite emotional. At it's best the GAA can be the heart of a community
Thoughts from the weekend.
We are far from the finished article - when we went in front we missed the leaders to close out the game. Donegal kept coming which seems to be a trait that McGuinness has brought back to them. Some of our shot selection was poor but that game will stand to us. Depending on the draw we could squeeze a semi final out of this year.
The form of some players is concerning though.
Down/Armagh. One of the worst games I have seen. Why Armagh dont just go out to win a game is a mystery. A mental weakness there that has been evident for quite some time. Wouldnt blame Down as they did what any team would do who are huge underdogs
Donegal will win at a canter.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 29, 2024, 03:51:02 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 29, 2024, 03:01:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 06:02:21 PMOdds
Paddy Power
Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5
Boyle Sports
Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8
Draw is 7/1
All the expectation on Donegal to succeed. Would go against logic if McGeeney (holding back Armagh according to some) was to topple a Donegal side managed by McGuinness with a clear focus to win Ulster since he returned.
I'm not so sure about that. There is at least as much expectation on Armagh and it seems like we are either one victory away from a major breakthrough or one defeat away from another meltdown. Time is running out for a lot of our older players so I feel a bit like it is now or never for this group. If we can win Ulster it would be a very good season and we can go into the AI series with a lot more freedom and confidence.
A bit of luck could prove a difference and Armagh due it in a big game with penalty shootout losses in the Ulster final last year and the last two All-Ireland Quarter finals.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 29, 2024, 04:52:26 PMDonegal will win at a canter.
I think they will win. But can't see it being a huge margin. Just don't think they have the forwards to start racking up a big score. Will be a tight cagey affair, but I think Donegal will stick to their system better and won't panic. And that'll edge them over the line. But only see 3/4 points in it.
Will the final in Clones be a sell out?
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 29, 2024, 04:52:26 PMDonegal will win at a canter.
It's Armagh's to lose.
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unless it goes to penalties ;D
Quote from: marty34 on April 29, 2024, 06:14:47 PMWill the final in Clones be a sell out?
Of course it will! Why wouldn't it?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 06:35:48 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 29, 2024, 06:14:47 PMWill the final in Clones be a sell out?
Of course it will! Why wouldn't it?
it would be nice if they could ensure that all persons who attended league games got a ticket and that busloads of drunken louts did not.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 29, 2024, 07:01:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 06:35:48 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 29, 2024, 06:14:47 PMWill the final in Clones be a sell out?
Of course it will! Why wouldn't it?
it would be nice if they could ensure that all persons who attended league games got a ticket and that busloads of drunken louts did not.
In this day and age it wouldn't be hard to have some kind of loyalty scheme going surely?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 07:11:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 29, 2024, 07:01:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 06:35:48 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 29, 2024, 06:14:47 PMWill the final in Clones be a sell out?
Of course it will! Why wouldn't it?
it would be nice if they could ensure that all persons who attended league games got a ticket and that busloads of drunken louts did not.
In this day and age it wouldn't be hard to have some kind of loyalty scheme going surely?
Seeing that type of shite sickens me.
Quote from: joemamas on April 29, 2024, 07:35:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 07:11:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 29, 2024, 07:01:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 06:35:48 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 29, 2024, 06:14:47 PMWill the final in Clones be a sell out?
Of course it will! Why wouldn't it?
it would be nice if they could ensure that all persons who attended league games got a ticket and that busloads of drunken louts did not.
In this day and age it wouldn't be hard to have some kind of loyalty scheme going surely?
Seeing that type of shite sickens me.
Ach, loyalty schemes aren't that bad Joe
Quote from: joemamas on April 29, 2024, 07:35:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 07:11:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 29, 2024, 07:01:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 06:35:48 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 29, 2024, 06:14:47 PMWill the final in Clones be a sell out?
Of course it will! Why wouldn't it?
it would be nice if they could ensure that all persons who attended league games got a ticket and that busloads of drunken louts did not.
In this day and age it wouldn't be hard to have some kind of loyalty scheme going surely?
Seeing that type of shite sickens me.
Do you own a bus or an off-licence?
Drunken louts can have loyalty too
Quote from: armaghniac on April 29, 2024, 08:43:42 PMQuote from: joemamas on April 29, 2024, 07:35:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 07:11:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 29, 2024, 07:01:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 06:35:48 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 29, 2024, 06:14:47 PMWill the final in Clones be a sell out?
Of course it will! Why wouldn't it?
it would be nice if they could ensure that all persons who attended league games got a ticket and that busloads of drunken louts did not.
In this day and age it wouldn't be hard to have some kind of loyalty scheme going surely?
Seeing that type of shite sickens me.
Do you own a bus or an off-licence?
Clarification
seeing drunken louts at a GAA game sickens me.
When it comes to Armagh matches would the worst of the offenders in terms of the drunken louts be from a certain part of the County (near the M1)? Previous experience would lead me to believe this is the case but I am happy to be proven wrong.
If someone is clearly drunk while entering the ground , can they not be refused entry?
There are other events/establishments people would be refused entry to in such a state, so why not a GAA match as well?
I remember boys with us not been omitted to a games in the 90's because they were drunk.Not stone drunk which seems to be the case here alot.
Quote from: joemamas on April 29, 2024, 09:42:33 PMClarification
seeing drunken louts at a GAA game sickens me.
My apologies, I misunderstood.
Quote from: LC on April 29, 2024, 10:24:46 PMWhen it comes to Armagh matches would the worst of the offenders in terms of the drunken louts be from a certain part of the County (near the M1)? Previous experience would lead me to believe this is the case but I am happy to be proven wrong.
A south Armagh person would want to be sober enough to watch the game.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 29, 2024, 10:27:24 PMIf someone is clearly drunk while entering the ground , can they not be refused entry?
There are other events/establishments people would be refused entry to in such a state, so why not a GAA match as well?
Stewarding needs to be better..
But the jovial attitude towards young lads 'enjoying' themselves usually gives them a bye ball
Quote from: lurganblue on April 29, 2024, 09:09:52 PMDrunken louts can have loyalty too
And could well have been at all the league games
Quote from: armaghniac on April 29, 2024, 10:32:47 PMQuote from: joemamas on April 29, 2024, 09:42:33 PMClarification
seeing drunken louts at a GAA game sickens me.
My apologies, I misunderstood.
Quote from: LC on April 29, 2024, 10:24:46 PMWhen it comes to Armagh matches would the worst of the offenders in terms of the drunken louts be from a certain part of the County (near the M1)? Previous experience would lead me to believe this is the case but I am happy to be proven wrong.
A south Armagh person would want to be sober enough to watch the game.
At the Armagh Galway quarter final game in CO the Sri Ken Armagh fans fighting in the bogs who knocked my nephew over weren't form north or south Armagh. I can tell you that
The North Armagh ones can't drink for shite ;) Not helped by that awful awful yappy accent that gets more and more annoying with the drink.
Having said that, I've not issue with ones taking drink before a match to an extent where they can enjoy themselves and cause no hassle, but theres always idiots taking it too far. Clowns fighting etc and taking away from other peoples enjoyment.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 29, 2024, 10:48:45 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 29, 2024, 09:09:52 PMDrunken louts can have loyalty too
And could well have been at all the league games
I just don't think that someone interested enough to go to all the league games would get absolutely pissed before the game.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2024, 10:35:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 29, 2024, 10:27:24 PMIf someone is clearly drunk while entering the ground , can they not be refused entry?
There are other events/establishments people would be refused entry to in such a state, so why not a GAA match as well?
Stewarding needs to be better..
But the jovial attitude towards young lads 'enjoying' themselves usually gives them a bye ball
My parents didn't go this year cause they couldn't face the same crowd as last year (and they are very much hill or nowhere - not fans of the stand!).
I went but went to the Pat McGrane stand and it was fine but it was really obvious the same louts were back this year.
No respect for the minutes silence or anthem for a start.
Personally I would now avoid the hill in Clones (although I do get the impression that it's mostly Armagh fans)
A handful of Down supporters in the Gerry Arthur stand let themselves down to the point more sensible Down supporters intervened to tell them to wise up.
Middle aged men and women being extremely provocative with personal insults to Armagh players and supporters. They should know better.
Quote from: Lazer on April 29, 2024, 11:20:00 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2024, 10:35:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 29, 2024, 10:27:24 PMIf someone is clearly drunk while entering the ground , can they not be refused entry?
There are other events/establishments people would be refused entry to in such a state, so why not a GAA match as well?
Stewarding needs to be better..
But the jovial attitude towards young lads 'enjoying' themselves usually gives them a bye ball
My parents didn't go this year cause they couldn't face the same crowd as last year (and they are very much hill or nowhere - not fans of the stand!).
I went but went to the Pat McGrane stand and it was fine but it was really obvious the same louts were back this year.
No respect for the minutes silence or anthem for a start.
Personally I would now avoid the hill in Clones (although I do get the impression that it's mostly Armagh fans)
Go in the Roslea road entrance and either sit behind the goals or stand on that side of the Hill, then no bother.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 30, 2024, 01:11:07 AMA handful of Down supporters in the Gerry Arthur stand let themselves down to the point more sensible Down supporters intervened to tell them to wise up.
Middle aged men and women being extremely provocative with personal insults to Armagh players and supporters. They should know better.
There are idiots everywhere unfortunately. No place for that nonsense. Drunk or sober.
Like the guy at the soccer who thinks its ok to give the w**ker gesture to opposing players, I can't stand people who think it is ok to abuse players or mentors from the other county/club. It is sport, nobody dies if your team is beaten and there are more serious issues in the world. As an Armagh man I was absolutely disgusted back in the two Brians era when Paudie O'Se one of the greatest GAA men of all time, got a stream of abuse from a so called Armagh fan in the Cusack as he walked the line. The crowd around him reminded him that Paudie had achieved more than he could even dream of, he attempted to get physical but was put in his box by a woman sitting behind him. Drink taken of course, but this is nothing new and has no place in our games. Drunks should not be allowed in. To call a spade a spade, pun intended, there is an element mainly from Lurgan who only go to championship games that are liquored from early morning that let everyone else down.
There is unfortunately a big lout element that follows Armagh, Lurgan is the biggest town in the county so proportionally has more louts. It is also geographically further for fans to travel to any other county ground in Ireland so the buckfast brigade get at least an extra half hour drinking time on the bus than anyone else. Thats not to say there are louts from every corner of the county, I've seen my fair share of hallions make fools of themselves and they're weren't Lurgan people.
Was in the O'Duffy Terrace with the family for the Ulster Final last year. Couldn't believe the amount of alcohol an Armagh fan in front of us managed to get into the ground. He'd a cool bag full of cans. Not that he needed any more ale.. he soaked everyone in his vicinity when Armagh equalised, shaking cans and spraying them everywhere.
Obviously no checking of the bags on the way in and stewards clearly didn't want to deal with it in any way.
Quote from: Estimator on April 30, 2024, 10:12:31 AMWas in the O'Duffy Terrace with the family for the Ulster Final last year. Couldn't believe the amount of alcohol an Armagh fan in front of us managed to get into the ground. He'd a cool bag full of cans. Not that he needed any more ale.. he soaked everyone in his vicinity when Armagh equalised, shaking cans and spraying them everywhere.
Obviously no checking of the bags on the way in and stewards clearly didn't want to deal with it in any way.
Fair play to him for getting the drink in, garda were checking bags on the way up to the stadium last year and even though i wasnt drinking was made up the coat etc but maybe I'm just a dodgy looking fella!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 29, 2024, 03:01:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2024, 06:02:21 PMOdds
Paddy Power
Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5
Boyle Sports
Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8
Draw is 7/1
All the expectation on Donegal to succeed. Would go against logic if McGeeney (holding back Armagh according to some) was to topple a Donegal side managed by McGuinness with a clear focus to win Ulster since he returned.
I cant see Armagh playing as badly again.
They drew in the league and then lost narrowly in the final to Donegal.
11/8 for them seems decent value.
I will be going to Clones, and not drinking, and will fight anyone who I think is going to start fighting.
(Apols for the Oxford comma. If you don't like it then I'll see you outside the Gerry Arthurs Stand at half time.)
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2024, 04:02:20 PMWho ever is teaching tyrone how to tackle and defend needs to stop
Don't think theyve started yet to be honest
Quote from: general_lee on April 30, 2024, 09:40:16 AMThere is unfortunately a big lout element that follows Armagh, Lurgan is the biggest town in the county so proportionally has more louts. It is also geographically further for fans to travel to any other county ground in Ireland so the buckfast brigade get at least an extra half hour drinking time on the bus than anyone else. Thats not to say there are louts from every corner of the county, I've seen my fair share of hallions make fools of themselves and they're weren't Lurgan people.
Plenty of them from every county. I've seen loads of Donegal lads pished in Clones an hour before a game was due to start, and I'm sure people could tell stories about Donegal wans who were headwrecks to be beside. I've been at loads of games with Armagh people - never had a single bit of bother. On the contrary they were always a bit of craic and everyone wished each other the best afterwards no matter what the result.
Time to start turning a few of them away at the turnstiles.
Quote from: StephenC on April 30, 2024, 05:39:40 PMQuote from: general_lee on April 30, 2024, 09:40:16 AMThere is unfortunately a big lout element that follows Armagh, Lurgan is the biggest town in the county so proportionally has more louts. It is also geographically further for fans to travel to any other county ground in Ireland so the buckfast brigade get at least an extra half hour drinking time on the bus than anyone else. Thats not to say there are louts from every corner of the county, I've seen my fair share of hallions make fools of themselves and they're weren't Lurgan people.
Plenty of them from every county. I've seen loads of Donegal lads pished in Clones an hour before a game was due to start, and I'm sure people could tell stories about Donegal wans who were headwrecks to be beside. I've been at loads of games with Armagh people - never had a single bit of bother. On the contrary they were always a bit of craic and everyone wished each other the best afterwards no matter what the result.
Time to start turning a few of them away at the turnstiles.
Ah look I can say the same about people from any county- plenty of arseholes who (drunk or sober) will do nothing but shout abuse at players/officials and usually know as much about football as I do about brain surgery. Been at games with ones from other counties- yes even Tyrone who I've had the craic with and wished well for the next round.
Ulster final has become more important now after today's group stage draw. Winner could reach the All Ireland semi final while it will be a real struggle for the loser to reach All Ireland quarter final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 30, 2024, 07:27:31 PMUlster final has become more important now after today's group stage draw. Winner could reach the All Ireland semi final while it will be a real struggle for the loser to reach All Ireland quarter final.
Yeah said it before the draw, this final is the biggest game we've had in years. Will define this team and the McGeeney era. Win and we've finally beat a good team in a big game and won something and have a path to a semi final and beyond. Lose and we've bottled (as much as I hate using that word) another chance at silverware lost what I'd imagine will be another tight game and left ourselves a tough task at getting to a quarter final.
Ticket sales to clubs only. Will they open to everyone next week?
Quote from: Orior on May 03, 2024, 07:31:09 PMTicket sales to clubs only. Will they open to everyone next week?
Guess it depends if they fill the venue via the clubs outlet, if not then they'll go onto Ticketmaster you'd think. Can't remember what way it worked last year. At last a game where it feels like the season ticket has some value.
My club at home is sold out and taking no more orders.
Don't t think it will be 5:1 Armagh like in the 2022 qualifier.
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2024, 08:37:28 PMMy club at home is sold out and taking no more orders.
Don't t think it will be 5:1 Armagh like in the 2022 qualifier.
Or the 2010 qualifier!